This is something that's been bugging me immensely ever since I feel there has been any amount of pushback to SJWs.
I hear so much stuff like:
'Well I liked diversity before but SJWs don't have true diversity! See how white they all actually are?"
or
"Well my product has plenty of women and gays and whatever: I'm not sexist! SJW accusations are completely unfounded!"
Well, stop doing it. Stop playing a game that only benefits your foes. Diversity is a neutral trait and not a virtue.
I find people often wondering how SJWs still retain and gain so much ground despite how when they have to maintain their own space it always implodes, and in practice, they promote weakness and victimhood. You're being bullied by nerds in wheelchairs.
That's because the SJWs biggest advantage is a battlefield that was prepared well in advance. SJW principles are so drilled into people's heads that even when they try to fight back against it they still use them subconsciously. Decades of pop culture, and academia (either through malice or lazy negligence), as well as some academic elite, have promoted the following values so hard that people still can't shake them off:
1: Diversity in it of itself is a virtue. It is not. Its a neutral value. It can be good or bad.
2: That it's always other people's responsibility to be empathetic to you and you have no responsibility to protect yourself.
3: The world is inherently fair and only nasty people make it unfair.
4: There are a bunch of others but the top 3 are the biggest ones.
Because they can't shake off those false premises SJWs always have a backend into your head. You can't play at their game or beat them at their game because the game is not designed to make sense. It never made sense and was always going to drive to this place of madness without examination or pushback. Its not crazy "Now" after having made sense. It was always crazy it was just quieter about it.
You can't expose SJWs for being hypocritical because the entire system to its core is hypocritical. By playing into it you're still keeping it maintained even as 'Opposition'. Somebody who doesn't play the game at all is much more dangerous than somebody who is within it.
Allot of the reason why people have trouble shaking this off is SJW language control. One of the core SJW principles is mixing in their own principles with existing language and then claiming that their version is the only one that exists. That's how stuff like Racism or Sexism or Diversity have been co-opted over the years. Thats how history and entertainment and education have all been perverted.
So don't play the game. If you want to make stories or have groups of people with non-standard characters that can be OK or good or great. But it can also suck or be terrible. Its a descriptor like "Romantic" or "Dramatic". But it's not a descriptor like "Fantastic" or "Clever".
I'm unclear on your solution to the SJW problem.
What does "so don't play the game" mean in terms of actual actions for dealing with the SJW plague on our hobby?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1124429I'm unclear on your solution to the SJW problem.
What does "so don't play the game" mean in terms of actual actions for dealing with the SJW plague on our hobby?
"You're a racist!" Damn right I am. They usually have no response to someone who just agrees with them about their "bad behavior". It's actually kind of funny. And then just tell them to fuck off.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1124429I'm unclear on your solution to the SJW problem.
What does "so don't play the game" mean in terms of actual actions for dealing with the SJW plague on our hobby?
The solution would require undermining their base cultural underpinnings. You cant trip them up with being hypocrites, or racists or sexists. Don't hold that against them or try to be better at it then them. Because the entire framework of their morality has always been crazy and hypocritical and designed mainly to amass them power.
SJWs will loose when the culture at large rejects their moral principles. And you start with that by rejecting them yourself.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124444The solution would require undermining their base cultural underpinnings. You cant trip them up with being hypocrites, or racists or sexists. Don't hold that against them or try to be better at it then them. Because the entire framework of their morality has always been crazy and hypocritical and designed mainly to amass them power.
SJWs will loose when the culture at large rejects their moral principles. And you start with that by rejecting them yourself.
This guy gets it.
To put in gaming terms: don't play by their rules. Complaining that they are rigging the rules does no good, because they know that they rigged the rules. When you complain about it, they gain satisfaction from your distress.
Play by your own rules. Reject theirs without explanation or excuse, and exclude them. They do not belong; never let them claim otherwise.
Quote from: RandyB;1124455To put in gaming terms: don't play by their rules. Complaining that they are rigging the rules does no good, because they know that they rigged the rules. When you complain about it, they gain satisfaction from your distress.
Play by your own rules. Reject theirs without explanation or excuse, and exclude them. They do not belong; never let them claim otherwise.
Bingo. Most don't even know they rigged the rules. So many are just so used to them it's cognitive dissonance making it work for them.
Left hand liver, right hand chin. Problem solved.
While me stepping back from the hobby to chase after Knights & Legends: Dawn of a New Age had nothing to do with SJWs, I can gladly say I don't miss their toxic culture. They're too fucking noisy, bunch of losers with nothing to show for. What's really upsetting is that very few people got the balls to tell them to go fuck themselves.
Quote from: RandyB;1124455To put in gaming terms: don't play by their rules. Complaining that they are rigging the rules does no good, because they know that they rigged the rules. When you complain about it, they gain satisfaction from your distress.
Play by your own rules. Reject theirs without explanation or excuse, and exclude them. They do not belong; never let them claim otherwise.
YES!
This motherfucker right here really gets it.
It's time we embraced the edge and took back the hobby.
HIPSTER PUNKS FUCK OFF!
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1124497It's time we embraced the edge and took back the hobby.
HIPSTER PUNKS FUCK OFF!
Punk was also a product that largely led to SJW-ism. Directionless anger and rage that when it burnt itself out created a vacuum that SJWs filled.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124498Punk was also a product that largely led to SJW-ism. Directionless anger and rage that when it burnt itself out created a vacuum that SJWs filled.
Agreed. SJW morality directly spawned from the cesspit that is the punk subculture and we need to actively reject and rebuke it at every turn.
Punk was a grave mistake and we are better off without it. Metal Forever! Punk Never!
In a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving.
I think we need to right the wrongs of "Disco Demolition Night" and have ourselves a "Punk Demolition Night" instead.
Anime and Metal rule! Capeshit and Punk suck!
So I see you've really embraced your carpet chewing side sammy. (Just to be clear I don't mean oral sex, I mean the actual carpet on the floor. I'm saying you have rabies or an advanced case of syphilis.)
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1124505In a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving.
You were doing okay, and then you suggested Disco surviving.
Wat.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1124522You were doing okay, and then you suggested Disco surviving.
Wat.
Disco is better than Punk and does not deserve the hate it gets...
Classic Rock and Metal are best though (I mean real classic rock, not that alternative rock garbage)
I sort of agree, if I get the point correctly. RPGs were invented by white men (not sure if that's a "mostly" or "almost exclusively"), and the hobby has remained with white men as the major demographic of the hobby. And that's not a problem. (think what would happen if anybody said "rap was invented by black guys, and has largely stayed that way, and that's a problem!")
Quote from: Trond;1124535I sort of agree, if I get the point correctly. RPGs were invented by white men (not sure if that's a "mostly" or "almost exclusively"), and the hobby has remained with white men as the major demographic of the hobby. And that's not a problem. (think what would happen if anybody said "rap was invented by black guys, and has largely stayed that way, and that's a problem!")
Yes. The endgoal of the sjw world is a culture less mush ruled over by their values. Id rather less of my culture stars in films them be used as this token washed out version to push whatever sjws want.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1124533Disco is better than Punk and does not deserve the hate it gets...
Classic Rock and Metal are best though (I mean real classic rock, not that alternative rock garbage)
Im not against genres as means of expression I meant that Id say demand for limitless responsibility had eventually created a power vacume SJWs took over.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124444The solution would require undermining their base cultural underpinnings.
How would this be done? What actions are you suggesting?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124444SJWs will loose when the culture at large rejects their moral principles. And you start with that by rejecting them yourself.
I've always vocally rejected SJW stupidity, usually with much mockery. But as for "culture at large", I don't know how that happens. SJWs control our media, our tech companies, our colleges and our schools. They hold the levers of power over the culture.
Quote from: RandyB;1124455Play by your own rules. Reject theirs without explanation or excuse, and exclude them. They do not belong; never let them claim otherwise.
Playing by my own rules is easy. That's hardcoded in me. If my future RPG groups are just 3-5 deplorable inhuman nightmares banned from every FLGS in the nation, I'm cool with that. BUT that doesn't affect the culture at large.
We have seen many conventions acquiesce to their demands, and there's every reason to believe they will make more demands, not less. Unless we have our own convention, and its successful and backs up designers who aren't SJWs, we don't have a real world public presence in the hobby.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1124569How would this be done? What actions are you suggesting?
Pointing this stuff out to the nonconverted. Maybe Im wrong but I feel that the tides are no so much turning as much as reaching a stopping point. Wheras before we where under the blitzcrieg and it seemed we where always in retreat, now people have dug in more. Mainly because SJW-ism has reached critical mass where they are destroying themselves faster then they are destroying or assimilating others.
The "War" isn't even close to over, but the way to tip it to your favor is to deprogram those that are just mildly SJW-ed instead of trying to combat the brainwashed directly.
Most people STILL thing diversity by itself is a good thing. Many people still exist under a changed view of history. Well de-convert them one by one if you have too.
Quote from: TrondI sort of agree, if I get the point correctly. RPGs were invented by white men (not sure if that's a "mostly" or "almost exclusively"), and the hobby has remained with white men as the major demographic of the hobby. And that's not a problem. (think what would happen if anybody said "rap was invented by black guys, and has largely stayed that way, and that's a problem!")
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124536Yes. The endgoal of the sjw world is a culture less mush ruled over by their values. Id rather less of my culture stars in films them be used as this token washed out version to push whatever sjws want.
From my point of view, I generally approve of cultural mush. Given worldwide communication and contact, I think it's natural for cultures to be shared and blend together - maybe not into a single monoculture, but at least moreso than the present state of the world. I disagree with strong views against cultural appropriation. I think it's natural for populations and cultures to blend together as they come into contact.
I agree that diversity isn't a value in-and-of-itself, but absent xenophobia and racism, diversity is the expected result.
As far as token and/or stereotyped portrayals -- they're not great, but from my view, there need to be stereotyped portrayals before getting to the stage of non-stereotyped portrayals. One of my peeves is how many view portrayals like Charlie Chan as outstanding examples of racism -- when Charlie Chan was much more progressive than most of the other films of the era -- where Asians were explicitly forbidden from appearing on-screen. I prefer Charlie Chan to the ban-all-Asians films.
Quote from: jhkim;1124644From my point of view, I generally approve of cultural mush.
I think that's disgusting and repulsive. I find that as a value truly abhorrent. Its akin to rooting for the Borg in Star Trek. For they embody the principles of a mush better then anything else.
About tokenism you missed my point: Under a cultural mush, EVERYTHING is token. Nothing truly believes in its own value and only exists as decoration for the mush. There are no Asian films. There are mush films with Asian influence.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1124579Mainly because SJW-ism has reached critical mass where they are destroying themselves faster then they are destroying or assimilating others.
You mean like Italians hugging a Chinese guy to prove they're not racist?
Yes, that was a thing in February 2020...and by today's numbers, it was clearly a big success!
[video=youtube;mNMdg4morQs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNMdg4morQs[/youtube]
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8264198/i-dont-know-where-else-to-put-this-need-feedback-on-characters (https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8264198/i-dont-know-where-else-to-put-this-need-feedback-on-characters)
One of the key problems in dealing with SJW's is that there is no neutral ground with them, your position is either explicitly against them or the door is open for them to infiltrate and turn the group. Trying to be value neutral and simply not participating doesn't work.
You can't disagree with them on one or a few points, their brand of criticism is sweeping, either you accept the whole thing or you reject the whole thing. Either for us or against us. You can't say for instance that you reject their vision of enforced diversity, if you do as far as they are concerned you now hate gays, PoC, kittens and puppies. Conversely if you acquiesce on a single issue then the foothold is taken and they will continue to push until you are fully with the program.
The mistake is also in assuming a sense of fair play, and "if I leave them alone they will leave me alone". They are always willing to act underhandedly because they feel morally justified, they are also constantly in search of a crusade. Leaving them alone isn't enough, if they feel you are out of line then they are on the attack.
This leaves a problem where the only real solution is to turn the tables and be just as aggressive, however most aren't willing to do that. To defeat them groups that are as radically exclusionary of them as they are of outsiders must be formed, publishers, printers, etc must be as viciously harangued for "platforming" them etc.
One of Conquests laws is relevant here, Any organization or group that isn't explicitly right wing will eventually be co-opted by the left.
It's a hell of a conundrum.
There is no conundrum. As time goes forward, there will be a return to order. People will look at comic characters like safespace and books like santas husband, and say enough. If someone states openly they are my enemy, it is my duty to treat them as such. They will inevitably create their yang to their yin, and the super toxic right that actually has influence and will comes around and round and round they both go. Extremes pulling so hard at both ends eventually pull the middle apart. Ah well.
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Quote from: Spinachcat;1124745I got Page Not Found
Seems they deleted it is either a fine example of snowflake D&D or an awesome trolling. Here is a waybacklink unfortunately no character illustration.
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8264198/i-dont-know-where-else-to-put-this-need-feedback-on-characters (https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8264198/i-dont-know-where-else-to-put-this-need-feedback-on-characters)
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1124495While me stepping back from the hobby to chase after Knights & Legends: Dawn of a New Age had nothing to do with SJWs, I can gladly say I don't miss their toxic culture. They're too fucking noisy, bunch of losers with nothing to show for. What's really upsetting is that very few people got the balls to tell them to go fuck themselves.
This is a problem of courage. Weak modern males lack it, and females cue off their cowardly behavior. One consequence of this is that when someone tells lies that should be immediately denied, such as that diversity is a strength or that males can become females by crossdressing and mutilating their genitals, they get away with it. They should be slapped down immediately, excised from society if necessary, but it's just so much
easier for a coward to walk away and do nothing when it's someone else getting the business end of muh wacism. When the leftist filth get around to targeting that particular coward for compliance, he can expect no aid from anyone else and buckle immediately.
Quote from: Alathon;1125417This is a problem of courage. Weak modern males lack it, and females cue off their cowardly behavior. One consequence of this is that when someone tells lies that should be immediately denied, such as that diversity is a strength or that males can become females by crossdressing and mutilating their genitals, they get away with it. They should be slapped down immediately, excised from society if necessary, but it's just so much easier for a coward to walk away and do nothing when it's someone else getting the business end of muh wacism. When the leftist filth get around to targeting that particular coward for compliance, he can expect no aid from anyone else and buckle immediately.
Hi, Alathon. Welcome back.
I don't agree with you on many particulars, but I agree that social conformity if anything has grown stronger in modern times. Human conformity has always been strong, but compared to recent decades, I think it's at least a little stronger with the rise of the Internet and social media. People more often tend to hang out with only like-minded others (especially liberal-vs-conservative), and they're less likely to air opinions that go against the local norms. And conversely, people are more likely to be uncomfortable with or push back against those who do speak out against the norm.
I personally find it's tricky, particularly among my real-life friends. One can come across as a contrarian jerk for speaking against the norm, which isn't helpful for changing things.
Quote from: jhkim;1125447Hi, Alathon. Welcome back.
I don't agree with you on many particulars, but I agree that social conformity if anything has grown stronger in modern times. Human conformity has always been strong, but compared to recent decades, I think it's at least a little stronger with the rise of the Internet and social media. People more often tend to hang out with only like-minded others (especially liberal-vs-conservative), and they're less likely to air opinions that go against the local norms. And conversely, people are more likely to be uncomfortable with or push back against those who do speak out against the norm.
I personally find it's tricky, particularly among my real-life friends. One can come across as a contrarian jerk for speaking against the norm, which isn't helpful for changing things.
Yet you aprove of cultural mush. I don't get it.
Quote from: Alathon;1125417This is a problem of courage. Weak modern males lack it, and females cue off their cowardly behavior. One consequence of this is that when someone tells lies that should be immediately denied, such as that diversity is a strength or that males can become females by crossdressing and mutilating their genitals, they get away with it. They should be slapped down immediately, excised from society if necessary, but it's just so much easier for a coward to walk away and do nothing when it's someone else getting the business end of muh wacism. When the leftist filth get around to targeting that particular coward for compliance, he can expect no aid from anyone else and buckle immediately.
The only cure for cultural tyranny, be it leftist punk thuggery or puritan redneck thuggery is through strong firm opposition.
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If she's straight that gonna be superior remake.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1125482The only cure for cultural tyranny, be it leftist punk thuggery or puritan redneck thuggery is through strong firm opposition.
I suppose this is technically true, but it's not terribly useful to worry about redneck thuggery when it is the left-commies who control the House of Representatives, academia, many judicial circuits, and most of the media outlets, 'news' or entertainment. What do redneck thugs control? Not even food production, most of that is from mainline cuckservatives.
Quote from: Alathon;1126714I suppose this is technically true, but it's not terribly useful to worry about redneck thuggery when it is the left-commies who control the House of Representatives, academia, many judicial circuits, and most of the media outlets, 'news' or entertainment. What do redneck thugs control? Not even food production, most of that is from mainline cuckservatives.
The Commie Left are the greater threat right now, but let us not forget that the rednecks and the theocratic conservatives are also the enemy as well, albeit they are enemies of a different faction. Christian fundamentalists are the OG SJW's. Don't underestimate them.
If the Commie Left goes down in a way that causes the theocons to be emboldened by it, they will try to fill the power vacuum.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1126733The Commie Left are the greater threat right now, but let us not forget that the rednecks and the theocratic conservatives are also the enemy as well, albeit they are enemies of a different faction. Christian fundamentalists are the OG SJW's. Don't underestimate them.
Christian fundamentalists are only in the rise in the sense that they are the only group with sustainable birthrates in the United States. Your projecting strength for a 'Enemy' thats been losing cultural ground for the past 500 or so years.
Playing them up as a threat is like playing up the Mongols as a threat.
While there is no limits for humans to take an idea too far, SJWs are the OG SJWs because their principles are based on the Idea of a heaven on earth, which I used to think made them less dangerous then religeous extremists but now I realise it makes them more dangerous as a collective.
Everybody is a conservative eventually because reality has a way fo slipping away from everything you believe in and find sacred eventually.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1126753Christian fundamentalists are only in the rise in the sense that they are the only group with sustainable birthrates in the United States. Your projecting strength for a 'Enemy' thats been losing cultural ground for the past 500 or so years.
Playing them up as a threat is like playing up the Mongols as a threat.
While there is no limits for humans to take an idea too far, SJWs are the OG SJWs because their principles are based on the Idea of a heaven on earth, which I used to think made them less dangerous then religeous extremists but now I realise it makes them more dangerous as a collective.
Everybody is a conservative eventually because reality has a way fo slipping away from everything you believe in and find sacred eventually.
True, I'll admit I have been shifting rightward for the past five years or so. I used to be a Bernie Sanders supporter in 2016, thinking he was going to be FDR 2.0 instead of the grifter he is in real life.
Maybe I should've rephrased my statement better.
Christian Fundamentalists are the OG moral guardians in this country. SJW's are just the new moral guardians.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1126760Christian Fundamentalists are the OG moral guardians in this country. SJW's are just the new moral guardians.
I don't know how much of your persona about morality is real, but stick with me while I explain:
There is always a moral framework to society. For bad or good its a binding agent. In individualist societies the collective moral focus is on individual responsibility. In collectivist societies its about being responsible to others. This isn't bad and allows a large group of people to generally co-exist. Its taught to children to make it smoother. Yes it also results in outcasts and social clashing, but thats the nature of reality, the alternative is general chaos and panamonium. In modern times its easier then ever to find a place where you belong because travel is widespready but problems still occur.
Ignoring the virutues of the Christian Morality system (Not a christian myself but I do like studying philosophy), it was still better for an amoralist such as yourself then the SJW morality system.
Even assuming such a morality is stifling, corrupt, and founded in dogmatic belief in nonsense, it was a more consistent dogma, and more consistent nonsense. It was the difference between a amoral and cruel emperor and the Bolshevics that cared so much they starved millions to death through their own incompitence.
QuoteOf all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
-- C. S. Lewis
I can see coming from such logic why you could see amorality as superior to a collective enforced morality as its susceptible to the above issue, and it could be argued that christianity is also susceptible to the above accusation, a morality system will reform. Morality system vacumes last for 30 years tops, and reforn for much much longer.
Saw this coming. Perfectly diverse Vikings https://marketplace.roll20.net/browse/set/5513/historical-viking-village-infantry-and-npc-tokens Stunning & Brave
QuoteHistorically correct Norse villagers (no pointy horn Vikings in this set!) and warriors. Includes a mixture of men and women and some characters who register as a bit more gender neutral, and color schemes for Scandinavian heritage, as well as red hair and brown skinned options for all poses. As Vikings were known to have contact with Native Canadians at the very least, and these poses could be used for any medieval fantasy village setting I elected to include a range of realistic skin tones, as well as the expected Nordic color schemes.
Quote from: Gagarth;1126899Saw this coming. Perfectly diverse Vikings https://marketplace.roll20.net/browse/set/5513/historical-viking-village-infantry-and-npc-tokens Stunning & Brave
Greetings!
Geesus. These SJW's are always so fucking desperate to have every group, every environment, to somehow not be *White*.
It's so stupid. Historically, there were whole swaths of Africa and Asia that were entirely monoculture and monoracial. Of course, no part of Europe, ever, was all white. *Rolls Eyes* I fucking hate all of these drooling morons that engage in historical revisionism. It's such bullshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1126902Greetings!
Geesus. These SJW's are always so fucking desperate to have every group, every environment, to somehow not be *White*.
It's so stupid. Historically, there were whole swaths of Africa and Asia that were entirely monoculture and monoracial. Of course, no part of Europe, ever, was all white. *Rolls Eyes* I fucking hate all of these drooling morons that engage in historical revisionism. It's such bullshit.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
We had to have a diverse array of skin tones in these Vikings, but they went out of their way to make sure no pointy horns were on their heads... What kind of Viking games are they playing?
Quote from: HappyDaze;1126904We had to have a diverse array of skin tones in these Vikings, but they went out of their way to make sure no pointy horns were on their heads... What kind of Viking games are they playing?
Two words: "mutual consent".
No, I don't want to know the details, either.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1126904We had to have a diverse array of skin tones in these Vikings, but they went out of their way to make sure no pointy horns were on their heads... What kind of Viking games are they playing?
Greetings!
*Laughing* Exactly, my friend! No, no, we can't have pointy, horned helmets--but dark brown-skinned Vikings are just fine!
You know, most of Northern and Western Europe was so fucking pale white in colour, and unaccustomed to seeing anyone that looked darker than themselves--that for many years, centuries even, the French were considered to be "exotic" looking and "alluring" primarily because they were considered to be darkly coloured.
And yes, we know the French are white. *Laughing*Of course, the Greeks too, were considered dark and exotic. It always struck me as funny because yes, the Greeks are olive coloured and a bit darker of course...but the French are exotic and dark? *laughing*
But there must have been dark skinned Indians or Black Africans in the Viking north, right?:D
That whole historical revisionism just drives me fucking crazy. These drooling fucking Liberals are supposed to be "educated"--and yet, they are so woefully uneducated that they cannot see that them wanting to put whatever rainbow coloured people all over white fucking Europe doesn't have a damned thing to do with history--and everything to do with ideology and politics. It is writing history to suit their ideology and politics, rather than allowing the truth to be embraced.
I need to light up my pipe!:D And get some fresh coffee going!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
If you treated Crichton's Eaters of the Dead as backstory, you COULD have interactions between Northmen and Arabs.
The image of the Northman as an idiot pillager keeps having to get revised as new info turns up.
One could always say it is a space helmet for a cow.
https://youtu.be/2X6X2vmAIRA
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1126950If you treated Crichton's Eaters of the Dead as backstory, you COULD have interactions between Northmen and Arabs.
The image of the Northman as an idiot pillager keeps having to get revised as new info turns up.
I'm pretty sure Crichton's book was inspired by the historical account in 922 by Ahmad ibn Fadlan about his travels to the Rus Vikings. So that part was real even if Eaters of the Dead is fiction. Medieval society was not as static or immobile as is often portrayed, and there were some wide-ranging peoples. For example, there was a black Knight of the Round Table (Moriaen).
Still, dark-skinned and/or androgynous vikings strike me as ahistorical. The vikings were not purely mono-ethnic, since they traveled really widely and often mixed people -- taking recruits, wives, and slaves back with them. But I don't know of any proven cases of dark-skinned vikings. I don't have a problem with ahistorical games -- very few games are actually historically accurate, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it doesn't fit to claim historical accuracy alongside dark-skinned and/or androgynous vikings.
The Varangian guard was all Norsemen wasnt it?
Quote from: oggsmash;1126986The Varangian guard was all Norsemen wasnt it?
Greetings!
Yes, Oggsmash, the Varangian Guard were hand-picked elite Norse Viking warriors, appointed as a special bodyguard unit to the Byzantine Emperor. The Norsemen were famous for their unflinching loyalty on their oaths, and also trusted guardians of security--and special assignments by the Emperor and the Imperial Family. The Varangian Guard were provided with the very best armour and weapons available, and the best training anywhere in the Byzantine Empire. In addition, each member of the Varangian Guard were paid handsomely, and were also frequently given outstanding bonuses in gold coins, fine treasures, horses, and women. Their authority was nearly absolute, and their prestige and political prowess was very formidable.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim;1126966I'm pretty sure Crichton's book was inspired by the historical account in 922 by Ahmad ibn Fadlan about his travels to the Rus Vikings. So that part was real even if Eaters of the Dead is fiction. Medieval society was not as static or immobile as is often portrayed, and there were some wide-ranging peoples. For example, there was a black Knight of the Round Table (Moriaen).
Still, dark-skinned and/or androgynous vikings strike me as ahistorical. The vikings were not purely mono-ethnic, since they traveled really widely and often mixed people -- taking recruits, wives, and slaves back with them. But I don't know of any proven cases of dark-skinned vikings. I don't have a problem with ahistorical games -- very few games are actually historically accurate, and there's nothing wrong with that. But it doesn't fit to claim historical accuracy alongside dark-skinned and/or androgynous vikings.
Stepping off the beaten path of history here...
Any crossbreed would probably find an easier time of acceptance among the Northmen (though he'd have to prove himself, that's no worse than what anyone else would deal with). I agree androgynous Northmen would be anachronistic as hell -- IIRC there were some VERY clearly defined roles in Northman society and screwing with that might get you yeeted into the sea.
'Tis a silly discussion, to be honest :)
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1127002Stepping off the beaten path of history here...
Any crossbreed would probably find an easier time of acceptance among the Northmen (though he'd have to prove himself, that's no worse than what anyone else would deal with). I agree androgynous Northmen would be anachronistic as hell -- IIRC there were some VERY clearly defined roles in Northman society and screwing with that might get you yeeted into the sea.
That stuff about roles sounds overstated to me. In general, Northmen in the viking period were less moralizing than was often the case in the rest of Europe - and had a lot of non-stereotypical behaviors. Personally, I was thinking more that men were rarely clean-shaven, which by itself makes androgyny more difficult. (For example, Njal of Njal's Saga was known as Njal the Beardless, which indicates that it's a rare quality - though in his case he apparently couldn't grow a beard.) Lee Gold, the author of the ICE Vikings sourcebook, wrote some about sexuality topics that she left out of her Japan and Vikings sourcebook many years ago:
https://www.conchord.org/xeno/censorship.html (the Vikings section is after Japan)
Short form she cites sources that male passive homosexuality (i.e. taking it up the butt) was looked down on -- but not active homosexuality (i.e. putting it in a guy's butt). So they might talk shit the guy taking it up the butt, but not enough to stop fucking him. Also, sorcery was seen as effeminate -- so for example, the malign sorcerer in the Laxdaela Saga was described as effeminate - similar to shapeshifting Loki or even Odin. He was not well respected by his neighbors, but similarly, not enough to drive him out or put a lawsuit against him.
I had a cross-dressing character in my old Vikings & Skraelings campaign. As I mentioned, it was officially not approved of, but it was offset by respect for other qualities.
Quote from: jhkim;1127005That stuff about roles sounds overstated to me. In general, Northmen in the viking period were less moralizing than was often the case in the rest of Europe - and had a lot of non-stereotypical behaviors. Personally, I was thinking more that men were rarely clean-shaven, which by itself makes androgyny more difficult. (For example, Njal of Njal's Saga was known as Njal the Beardless, which indicates that it's a rare quality - though in his case he apparently couldn't grow a beard.) Lee Gold, the author of the ICE Vikings sourcebook, wrote some about sexuality topics that she left out of her Japan and Vikings sourcebook many years ago:
https://www.conchord.org/xeno/censorship.html (the Vikings section is after Japan)
Short form she cites sources that male passive homosexuality (i.e. taking it up the butt) was looked down on -- but not active homosexuality (i.e. putting it in a guy's butt). So they might talk shit the guy taking it up the butt, but not enough to stop fucking him. Also, sorcery was seen as effeminate -- so for example, the malign sorcerer in the Laxdaela Saga was described as effeminate - similar to shapeshifting Loki or even Odin. He was not well respected by his neighbors, but similarly, not enough to drive him out or put a lawsuit against him.
I had a cross-dressing character in my old Vikings & Skraelings campaign. As I mentioned, it was officially not approved of, but it was offset by respect for other qualities.
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Interesting article, Jhkim. I don't understand why some people do not get it--lots of people do not want to be around homosexuals; they don't want to talk about homosexual love; they don't want to discuss or explore homosexual sex in their roleplaying games. This has been a consistent reality for many, many years. Publishers don't want to publish and advertise homosexual characters, homosexual sex, and homosexual themes in the game books and modules. Doing so risks a huge drop in profit, and being trashed and ridiculed by a majority of the gaming market.
While today's SJW segment is more vocal in their love of everything homosexual--the majority of the gaming market remains dismissive, and uninterested--if not always vigorously hostile. So, even today despite somewhat more of a vocal SJW audience, the expectations and desires of the majority of the gaming market prevails--blast the homosexual theme, and risk going broke and swept into the shitter to be forgotten. That seems to be the way it is.
Furthermore, though, despite the fact that most gamers are heterosexual--there also seems to be a rather large contingent of gamers that are strictly religious, strictly focused or prefer rated G games, and or otherwise have zero desire to have any kind of sexual theme, characters, or sexual activity and so on in their games and game books, as well.
*Shrugs* Thus, the author lamenting until our "culture changes"--I wouldn't hold my breath. Our country and culture has deep, deep Puritanical roots, and as a culture, we are hopelessly and bogglingly contradictory; despite the fact that our culture is sex drenched in so many ways, from music, media, clothing, television shows with frequent sex, and on and on--as many parents lament constantly--there are other areas where our culture has fits about any mention or inclusion of sex, or sensuality. No nude beaches, no nude men; no naked men in film; sex depicted a certain way in romance books; no sex in role playing games; Shakira and Jlo cannot dance sexy at the Superbowl; and so on.
I don't expect our culture to change. We are full of contradictions and mixed passions about sex, sexuality, sensuality, naked women and naked men.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim;1127005Personally, I was thinking more that men were rarely clean-shaven, which by itself makes androgyny more difficult. (For example, Njal of Njal's Saga was known as Njal the Beardless, which indicates that it's a rare quality - though in his case he apparently couldn't grow a beard.) Lee Gold, the author of the ICE Vikings sourcebook, wrote some about sexuality topics that she left out of her Japan and Vikings sourcebook many years ago:
https://www.conchord.org/xeno/censorship.html (the Vikings section is after Japan)
Quote from: SHARK;1127008Interesting article, Jhkim. I don't understand why some people do not get it--lots of people do not want to be around homosexuals; they don't want to talk about homosexual love; they don't want to discuss or explore homosexual sex in their roleplaying games. This has been a consistent reality for many, many years. Publishers don't want to publish and advertise homosexual characters, homosexual sex, and homosexual themes in the game books and modules. Doing so risks a huge drop in profit, and being trashed and ridiculed by a majority of the gaming market.
Actually, I think a lot has changed since she wrote that article back in 1995. Gay marriage is now legal in the U.S., and there have been a significant number of gay characters in mainstream television and movies, from The Walking Dead to Torchwood. They appear regularly now in children's television, though not in mainstream children's movies. Gay people and characters still haven't been totally accepted, but I think they're much more accepted in 2020 than in 1995.
At the risk of wandering too off topic: one of the problems homosexuals have had in the U.S. has been stupidity on a par with drug addiction.
Specifically, repeatedly pushing for policy and decisions that would prevent gays from being 'stigmatized' in the face of the AIDS disease (this was back in the early 80's). Gays were advised to throttle back their freewheeling promiscuity, and it was treated as an attack. An attempt was made by the CDC to limit blood donations by homosexuals to prevent contamination of blood supplies with HIV+ materials; that was violently rejected.
The former is why the book and film are called And The Band Played On, and the latter is recounted here: https://www.takimag.com/article/theyll-snuff-your-life-to-end-their-stigma/
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1126950If you treated Crichton's Eaters of the Dead as backstory, you COULD have interactions between Northmen and Arabs.
The image of the Northman as an idiot pillager keeps having to get revised as new info turns up.
This is the rhetoric these fucks use to justify this, because you know they had boats and shit. But what they really mean is not that an odd individual turning up and the number increasing the closer you come to interface areas like the Mediterranean. No they wan't every inch of an historical Europe depiction to be as fully diverse in the past as they want it now. Of course Africa is a safe space.
Quote from: oggsmash;1126986The Varangian guard was all Norsemen wasnt it?
Yeah but they didn't make up 50%+ of the population. Of course for the Varangian guard in a setting to truly pass muster with the SJW fascists they also have to be over 50% PoC.
Quote from: Gagarth;1127033This is the rhetoric these fucks use to justify this, because you know they had boats and shit. But what they really mean is not that an odd individual turning up and the number increasing the closer you come to interface areas like the Mediterranean. No they wan't every inch of an historical Europe depiction to be as fully diverse in the past as they want it now. Of course Africa is a safe space.
Precisely.
An outlier, fish-out-of-water character can be fun and entertaining (and often serve as an audience surrogate). The problem is that some of these idiots think every place should look like NYC when they -don't-. It's the same problem they have analyzing other cultural behavior (for good or ill); they can't grok that some people do not think like they do.
Quote from: jhkim;1127019Actually, I think a lot has changed since she wrote that article back in 1995. Gay marriage is now legal in the U.S., and there have been a significant number of gay characters in mainstream television and movies, from The Walking Dead to Torchwood. They appear regularly now in children's television, though not in mainstream children's movies. Gay people and characters still haven't been totally accepted, but I think they're much more accepted in 2020 than in 1995.
No, I don't think that homosexuality has been accepted.
Tolerated, yes. But not accepted.
It's tolerated because you can't change how a person thinks.
I can personally accept my youngest daughter as being gay (and she is).
It's up to the individual to accept it or not, or just tolerate it.
You can't force people to think one way, and that's what drives the progressives stark raving mad.
Quote from: blackstone;1127051No, I don't think that homosexuality has been accepted.
Acceptance is overrated. You can't accept everything. Tolerance is a much better solution.
Quote from: jhkimActually, I think a lot has changed since she wrote that article back in 1995. Gay marriage is now legal in the U.S., and there have been a significant number of gay characters in mainstream television and movies, from The Walking Dead to Torchwood. They appear regularly now in children's television, though not in mainstream children's movies. Gay people and characters still haven't been totally accepted, but I think they're much more accepted in 2020 than in 1995.
Quote from: blackstone;1127051No, I don't think that homosexuality has been accepted.
Tolerated, yes. But not accepted.
It's tolerated because you can't change how a person thinks.
I can personally accept my youngest daughter as being gay (and she is).
It's up to the individual to accept it or not, or just tolerate it.
You can't force people to think one way, and that's what drives the progressives stark raving mad.
There has always been a range of views on homosexuality. Some people celebrate it, some people accept it, some people tolerate it, some people disapprove of it, some people hate it. I think there are both more people who accept it, and more people who tolerate it in 2020 compared to 1995.
As I said, that doesn't mean that everybody accepts it, but acceptance is much more common. I agree that thinking cannot be forced, but thinking can change -- and in this case, it has. I can see that in various polls and politics, as well as general discussion.
Someone might consider that a bad thing, but it has happened nonetheless.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1127057Acceptance is overrated. You can't accept everything. Tolerance is a much better solution.
And some things are intolerable.
Quote from: jhkim;1127061There has always been a range of views on homosexuality. Some people celebrate it, some people accept it, some people tolerate it, some people disapprove of it, some people hate it. I think there are both more people who accept it, and more people who tolerate it in 2020 compared to 1995.
As I said, that doesn't mean that everybody accepts it, but acceptance is much more common. I agree that thinking cannot be forced, but thinking can change -- and in this case, it has. I can see that in various polls and politics, as well as general discussion.
Someone might consider that a bad thing, but it has happened nonetheless.
Changing one's own mind should be done freely without coercion, and that's what pisses the SJWs off to no end by yelling, screaming, and otherwise throwing a tantrum.
They can't get that one simple fact. It's very comical, but at the very same time distressing. Why? Because a good portion of them want to actually change the Constitution when it comes to freedom of speech. I've seen the interviews. I watched how they want to control not just speech, but what we think. They don't understand that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from being offended.
They need to grow thick skins and understand that *SPOILER ALERT* not everyone will agree with you, think the way you do, or believe the same things you do.
They don't understand that each of us having our own beliefs, thoughts, and opinions are the very things that make this nation great: it's our right.
And we can disagree, politely, either in private discussion or in a public forum using rhetoric, grammar, and discourse.
But most of them would rather scream and yell like a 5 year-old not getting their way.
If gay dudes and lesbians don't dickstomp the tranny nonsense around kids and the creeping influence of pedos in the alphabet soup movement, they are going to lose decades of progress in tolerance and acceptance.
And the SJWs don't want acceptance. They want submission. You will think as you are told, or else.
Quote from: jhkim;1127061There has always been a range of views on homosexuality. Some people celebrate it, some people accept it, some people tolerate it, some people disapprove of it, some people hate it. I think there are both more people who accept it, and more people who tolerate it in 2020 compared to 1995.
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There are a range of views on heterosexuality. Some people celebrate it, some people accept it, some people tolerate it, some people disapprove of it, some people hate it.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127124If gay dudes and lesbians don't dickstomp the tranny nonsense around kids and the creeping influence of pedos in the alphabet soup movement, they are going to lose decades of progress in tolerance and acceptance.
And the SJWs don't want acceptance. They want submission. You will think as you are told, or else.
Agreed. We need to boot out the trannies, SJW's, and pedophiles fast.
We told NAMBLA to fuck off tn the 70's when this whole thing started. So there is a precedent we can use against the detractors.
Quote from: Gagarth;1127129There are a range of views on heterosexuality. Some people celebrate it, some people accept it, some people tolerate it, some people disapprove of it, some people hate it.
Hey, I'm cool with heterosexuality and see it as a good thing.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1127130Agreed. We need to boot out the trannies, SJW's, and pedophiles fast.
We told NAMBLA to fuck off tn the 70's when this whole thing started. So there is a precedent we can use against the detractors.
Sadly, homosexuals as a subculture seem to have a pattern of doing self-destructive stupid things.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1127142Sadly, homosexuals as a subculture seem to have a pattern of doing self-destructive stupid things.
Unfortunately true, which is why I went ghost and keep my head down in the real world.
Although the AIDS epidemic that's the most commonly cited was also one of those black swan events that nobody really saw coming and gay/bi men were just unlucky enough to be among the first to catch the bullet as it were.
Since HIV takes a very long time to activate, a lot of people were infected and did not know it for the longest time, amplifying the transmission.
By the time anyone knew what the fuck was going on, it was already too late.
However, younger generations should not be so foolhardy about HIV just because they have new drugs.
Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.
This goes for gays, bisexuals, and straights and is just good advice in general.
HIV/AIDS is seen as a "gay disease", but 1/4 of the victims are heterosexual.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1127130We told NAMBLA to fuck off tn the 70's when this whole thing started. So there is a precedent we can use against the detractors.
Absolutely. There definitely needs to be action taken ASAP and I believe gays and lesbians with children of their own would support the pushback against the normalization of pedos. And when the SJWs pop up to defend the pedos, they get hammered down too.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127222Absolutely. There definitely needs to be action taken ASAP and I believe gays and lesbians with children of their own would support the pushback against the normalization of pedos. And when the SJWs pop up to defend the pedos, they get hammered down too.
"Think of the children" has long been a generic rallying cry for either political side. Pedophiles suck -- and what's notable is that liberals use them as a rallying cry against conservatives, and conservatives against liberals. Liberals preferred examples are straight white pedophiles, while conservatives preferred examples are gay pedophiles.
I'm happy to burn pedos of any flavor. I couldn't care about their color, gender or orientation. And as a former teacher of abused kids, I really mean BURN.
Unfortunately, the gay community has had a problem with pedo-infilitration over the decades, from NAMBLA in the early days to today's Tranny Storytime freaks. I've known gay men who were abused as children and they're extremely clear pedos are a terrible danger to young gay kids because of how the rapists slip into positions of trust under mistakes of tolerance and acceptance. It's different methods, but the same kind of infiltration we've seen in the Catholic Church.
As gay marriage has led to more gay families via adoption and insemination, its imperative gay parents break out their stomping boots. But I totally understand that would ostracize them from the "main movement", just like feminists who promote women's issues are getting tossed out of feminism for not bowing to the dudes with boobs crew.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127262I'm happy to burn pedos of any flavor. I couldn't care about their color, gender or orientation. And as a former teacher of abused kids, I really mean BURN.
Unfortunately, the gay community has had a problem with pedo-infilitration over the decades, from NAMBLA in the early days to today's Tranny Storytime freaks. I've known gay men who were abused as children and they're extremely clear pedos are a terrible danger to young gay kids because of how the rapists slip into positions of trust under mistakes of tolerance and acceptance. It's different methods, but the same kind of infiltration we've seen in the Catholic Church.
As gay marriage has led to more gay families via adoption and insemination, its imperative gay parents break out their stomping boots. But I totally understand that would ostracize them from the "main movement", just like feminists who promote women's issues are getting tossed out of feminism for not bowing to the dudes with boobs crew.
I know I say this a lot in response to your posts, but this guy fucking gets it!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127222HIV/AIDS is seen as a "gay disease", but 1/4 of the victims are heterosexual.
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics
Absolutely. There definitely needs to be action taken ASAP and I believe gays and lesbians with children of their own would support the pushback against the normalization of pedos. And when the SJWs pop up to defend the pedos, they get hammered down too.
And when it comes time to stomp down the pedo and SJW's, I will be right there to help you and all the other LGBT parents in stomping them out. Let's fight the good fight.
As for the global HIV statistic, the majority of people with HIV/AIDS are actually straight women, mostly in African countries, with South Africa being hit the hardest of the lot.
In the United States, it was largely seen as the disease of gay men and junkies since they were the demographics where it was first discovered and who had the highest rates of casualties in the peak years of the pandemic in the 80's and 90's.
Again, it was due to luck of the draw that the gay community got hit the hardest and hit first when HIV first arrived in the United States during the 1970's.
It was a novel virus that took a long time to exhibit any symptoms at all, so it spread like wildfire and nobody knew it until it was too late.
Given that HIV arrived at a time when the "free love" of the 60's counterculture had gone fully mainstream, it could've been the heterosexual community that would've got hit hardest if things played out just a little differently.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127262I'm happy to burn pedos of any flavor. I couldn't care about their color, gender or orientation. And as a former teacher of abused kids, I really mean BURN.
Unfortunately, the gay community has had a problem with pedo-infilitration over the decades, from NAMBLA in the early days to today's Tranny Storytime freaks. I've known gay men who were abused as children and they're extremely clear pedos are a terrible danger to young gay kids because of how the rapists slip into positions of trust under mistakes of tolerance and acceptance. It's different methods, but the same kind of infiltration we've seen in the Catholic Church.
As gay marriage has led to more gay families via adoption and insemination, its imperative gay parents break out their stomping boots.
Sure, but the straight community has had a problem with pedo-infiltration for centuries. And straight parents have failed to stomp it out. Sadly, one of the common forms of sexual abuse is abusing one's own family. And pedophiles have risen to the top of the straight community -- like Jeffrey Epstein and his clients, or an array of celebrities from Woody Allen to Roman Polanski.
The accusation that gay == pedophile, and that children aren't safe around gays, is an extremely old one -- and overwhelmingly has been based on anti-gay bias. It was regularly the practice to ban gay teachers or other gays who worked with children, but I don't think that was a fair or reasonable practice. The gay and transgender teachers that I have known have been excellent teachers, care for kids, and hate pedophiles. I think gay people should be allowed to be teachers, adoptive parents, or otherwise be around children without discrimination.
The focus should be on finding and prosecuting pedophiles in general, and I don't think reducing the tolerance of gays improves that.
Jhkim, you're right, especially about child abuse being perpetrated much more by trusted family and family friends than by random strangers. For my students, the abusers were often in their foster care group homes.
But public opinion is led heavily by optics, and the optics of pride parades and tranny story hours aren't good, especially combined with social media freaks clamoring for "love knows no age" and other calls to normalize pedophilia in the name of tolerance. Unfortunately, bad optics often lead to innocent people getting blamed. The majority of Catholic priests never abused a child, but all Catholic priests now share the shame and the pressure and nigh-universal disrespect outside of their religion.
And unless the gay community purges their freaks, they will be defined by the freaks' worst behavior in the minds of the public, regardless how much the media tries to shift the narrative. In fact, the combo of the freaks' behavior plus the media demands for gay acceptance ensures deeper distrust by the public.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127297Jhkim, you're right, especially about child abuse being perpetrated much more by trusted family and family friends than by random strangers. For my students, the abusers were often in their foster care group homes.
But public opinion is led heavily by optics, and the optics of pride parades and tranny story hours aren't good, especially combined with social media freaks clamoring for "love knows no age" and other calls to normalize pedophilia in the name of tolerance. Unfortunately, bad optics often lead to innocent people getting blamed. The majority of Catholic priests never abused a child, but all Catholic priests now share the shame and the pressure and nigh-universal disrespect outside of their religion.
I think deliberately focusing on optics rather than actual abusers is a mistake, though. You say it leads to innocent people getting blamed. But there are plenty of actual abusers to target. And what I see in public opinion is actually increasing support for gays and lesbians around children. For example, these are Gallup poll answers over the years:
Do you think gays and lesbians should or should not be allowed to adopt children?[table=width: 500]
[tr]
[td]1977 Jun 17-20[/td]
[td]14% Yes[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2003 May 5-7[/td]
[td]49% Yes[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2014 May 8-11[/td]
[td]63% Yes[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2019 May 15-30[/td]
[td]75% Yes[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]
Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx
That's major change increase in support in just a few years. I think that's a good thing. Let's give respect to gay and lesbian people who just want to be parents, teachers, and otherwise - and stomp on actual abusers and those who defend them, whether gay or straight.
Quote from: jhkim;1127289...pedophiles have risen to the top of the straight community -- like Jeffrey Epstein and his clients, or an array of celebrities from Woody Allen to Roman Polanski.
I don't think pedophile is an accurate term to describe Woody Allen. According to a court investigation Soon-Yi was 21. I think it's more a violation of trust her being the adopted daughter of his then wife.
However my opinion is that the bulk of child abusers are "mom's boyfriend".
Quote from: DocJones;1127310I don't think pedophile is an accurate term to describe Woody Allen. According to a court investigation Soon-Yi was 21. I think it's more a violation of trust her being the adopted daughter of his then wife.
However my opinion is that the bulk of child abusers are "mom's boyfriend".
OK. I don't want to get hung up on a single example. As you say, there are tons of other "mom's boyfriend" abusers.
Quote from: jhkim;1127311OK. I don't want to get hung up on a single example. As you say, there are tons of other "mom's boyfriend" abusers.
The difference is "mom's boyfriend" isn't a protected class with their own movement and an ever increasingly wide tent everyone who even remotely looks like them gets lumped into but the "LGBTWTFBBQ+++[insert the rest of the alphabet here]" community is. Granted, I don't think it's exactly fair to make people responsible for random strangers who just happen to technically belong to their general demographic, but it makes more sense to tell LGBT people to reel in the freaks purporting to speak for their movement than to do the same to the "mom's boyfriend collective" who have no movement or group identity. Especially when a segment of said activist freaks (however small they might be) has tried to make inroads for pedophilia to be classified as a "sexual orientation" and tie them in with their group but no one has tried to classify pedos as a subset of mom's boyfriend.
Quote from: RandyB;1124455To put in gaming terms: don't play by their rules. Complaining that they are rigging the rules does no good, because they know that they rigged the rules. When you complain about it, they gain satisfaction from your distress.
Play by your own rules. Reject theirs without explanation or excuse, and exclude them. They do not belong; never let them claim otherwise.
I believe Quentin Tarantino did exactly this in an interview about Once Upon a Time in America. Have to give him credit for that.
Quote from: jhkim;1127309That's major change increase in support in just a few years. I think that's a good thing. Let's give respect to gay and lesbian people who just want to be parents, teachers, and otherwise - and stomp on actual abusers and those who defend them, whether gay or straight.
What if I think it's a bad thing?
Quote from: jhkimThat's major change increase in support in just a few years. I think that's a good thing. Let's give respect to gay and lesbian people who just want to be parents, teachers, and otherwise - and stomp on actual abusers and those who defend them, whether gay or straight.
Quote from: Brad;1127346What if I think it's a bad thing?
Then we disagree, and we can talk about how and why we disagree (unless Pundit locks the thread like the religious right thread).
Why do you think that it's a bad thing?
I think it's a good thing primarily because because of the gay and lesbian people I have known - whether family or friends. They have been just as good and worthwhile as any other group.
Quote from: jhkim;1127350Then we disagree, and we can talk about how and why we disagree (unless Pundit locks the thread like the religious right thread).
Why do you think that it's a bad thing?
I think it's a good thing primarily because because of the gay and lesbian people I have known - whether family or friends. They have been just as good and worthwhile as any other group.
I think it's a bad thing because it undermines traditional family values. But saying stuff like that just leads to attacks from hyper-partisan hacks who claim you're some sort of uneducated bigot, hence there's really no "argument" to make.
I'm afraid "traditional family values" means "we don't talk about it but it goes on all the time" all too often.
Quote from: David Johansen;1127650I'm afraid "traditional family values" means "we don't talk about it but it goes on all the time" all too often.
Maybe for degenerates.
(re: support for gay adoption)
Quote from: jhkimI think it's a good thing primarily because because of the gay and lesbian people I have known - whether family or friends. They have been just as good and worthwhile as any other group.
Quote from: Brad;1127634I think it's a bad thing because it undermines traditional family values. But saying stuff like that just leads to attacks from hyper-partisan hacks who claim you're some sort of uneducated bigot, hence there's really no "argument" to make.
OK, but I would think it's still possible to discuss if we rein in partisanship. I don't really get the "traditional family values" argument, because my personal family values were built on support of this. The first time I learned about gay people as a kid was from gay adoption, when a same-sex couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism at my Presbyterian church in New York. That was in keeping with the rest of the values I learned there, about community and family. And that's how I brought up my own son.
I understand that more broadly, most people were brought up assuming they should shun gay couples, but that doesn't seem like a reason to prefer those values to my own. Do you have a reason for supporting the anti-gay-adoption values in particular?
The problem with the "but, muh traditional family values!" argument is that it's not really an argument. It's just an empty value judgment that doesn't elucidate anything and simply assumes some sort of transcendental value in the words "family" and "values" without objectively defining exactly what that means or supporting their worth beyond describing them as "traditional".
It doesn't even explain exactly how the mere existence of gay couples undermines "traditional family values" cuz gay people are not gonna suddenly enter into healthy heterosexual relationships, not defined by a life of unfulfillment and quiet desperation, simply cuz you keep them from getting married. And foster children are not gonna improve their chances of finding straight foster parents simply by preventing gay couples from adopting them, it's simply just gonna reduce their chances of finding a family in general. All over some vague notion of "traditional family values".
Quote from: VisionStorm;1127667The problem with the "but, muh traditional family values!" argument is that it's not really an argument. It's just an empty value judgment that doesn't elucidate anything and simply assumes some sort of transcendental value in the words "family" and "values" without objectively defining exactly what that means or supporting their worth beyond describing them as "traditional".
It doesn't even explain exactly how the mere existence of gay couples undermines "traditional family values" cuz gay people are not gonna suddenly enter into healthy heterosexual relationships, not defined by a life of unfulfillment and quiet desperation, simply cuz you keep them from getting married. And foster children are not gonna improve their chances of finding straight foster parents simply by preventing gay couples from adopting them, it's simply just gonna reduce their chances of finding a family in general. All over some vague notion of "traditional family values".
Thanks for proving my point.
This sort of discussion got another thread locked down. Don't take it here, please.
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Quote from: Brad;1127670Thanks for proving my point.
You would've had to have made a point for me to prove it. All you did was preemptively get defensive and dismiss any potential opposition as "hyper-partisan attacks" while passive aggressively calling people "degenerates" yet pretending it's
other people who're doing the attacking.
I support gay adoption and gay foster parenting because kids need families and so few people are willing to adopt or foster. We have a culture where people are so enamored with their own DNA that they'd rather spend $150,000 making a test tube baby than save a child in desperate need of a family. To me, that's bizarre.
As for traditional family values, they barely exist anymore and any parents who seek to instill these values in their child are fighting an uphill battle against the schools and the media. At every turn, modern liberal culture undermines, insults and outright attacks the most basic traditional values.
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I'm gonna regret asking this...I know I'm gonna lose brain cells.
What is "Bleed"?
What is "Aftercare"?
Quote from: VisionStorm;1127713You would've had to have made a point for me to prove it. All you did was preemptively get defensive and dismiss any potential opposition as "hyper-partisan attacks" while passive aggressively calling people "degenerates" yet pretending it's other people who're doing the attacking.
Quote from: Brad;1127670Thanks for proving my point.
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Quote from: Spinachcat;1127728I'm gonna regret asking this...I know I'm gonna lose brain cells.
What is "Bleed"?
What is "Aftercare"?
Greetings!
*LAUGHING* Oh my god, I have been thinking the same thing my friend!:D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: brad;1127756i have no point, so i'm acting like a wounded child to avoid addressing valid criticism.
mfw
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There's an old 18th Century Scots-Irish folk song about the SJW menace in the RPG hobby, actually.
It's called Faigh Amach As Mo Teach, it means "In My Hobby, There Is A Problem"
In my hobby there's a problem
And that problem is transport
It takes very very long
Because Appalachia is big
In my hobby there's a problem
And that problem is the Punk
He ruins everyone's games
And never stops being woke
Throw the Punk down the well!
So my hobby can be free
We must grab him by his gender
And then we'll play some D&D!
If you see the Punk coming
You must be careful of his teeth
You must rip up his X Card
And I'll tell you what to do
Throw the punk down the well!
So our hobby can be free!
We'll grab him by his gender
Then we'll play some D&D!
THROW THE PUNK DOWN THE WELL!
SO MY HOBBY CAN BE FREE!
YOU MUST GRAB HIM BY HIS GENDER
THEN WE'LL PLAY SOME D&D!
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1127929There's an old 18th Century Scots-Irish folk song about the SJW menace in the RPG hobby, actually.
It's called Faigh Amach As Mo Teach, it means "In My Hobby, There Is A Problem"
In my hobby there's a problem
And that problem is transport
It takes very very long
Because Appalachia is big
In my hobby there's a problem
And that problem is the Punk
He ruins everyone's games
And never stops being woke
Throw the Punk down the well!
So my hobby can be free
We must grab him by his gender
And then we'll play some D&D!
If you see the Punk coming
You must be careful of his teeth
You must rip up his X Card
And I'll tell you what to do
Throw the punk down the well!
So our hobby can be free!
We'll grab him by his gender
Then we'll play some D&D!
THROW THE PUNK DOWN THE WELL!
SO MY HOBBY CAN BE FREE!
YOU MUST GRAB HIM BY HIS GENDER
THEN WE'LL PLAY SOME D&D!
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Quote from: Doc Sammy;1127929Throw the Punk down the well!
So my hobby can be free
We must grab him by his gender
And then we'll play some D&D!
OMG. That is pure awesome.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1127995OMG. That is pure awesome.
No it isn't. Don't encourage him.
He still is stuck on his incorrect personal view of what Punk is.
Quote from: jeff37923;1127996He still is stuck on his incorrect personal view of what Punk is.
He doesn't have our history. Punk as in "tough street punk" has instead become punk as in "punk ass bitch." When we grew up, the guy with the pink mohawk probably had a switchblade. Today, the pink mohawk person can't figure out which bathroom to use.
Apparently something has gone wrong in the punk music world too for Doc Sammy's generation. I've met several young metalheads at concerts who tell me they hate punk, but then I point to their Anthrax and Slayer badges on their own jackets and explain the major founders of American metal were absolutely inspired by punk, played with pure punk bands and still do with bands like Suicidal Tendencies, Hatebreed and Killswitch Engage who ride that punk/metal divide.
Quote from: jeff37923;1127996No it isn't. Don't encourage him.
He still is stuck on his incorrect personal view of what Punk is.
No, you are stuck in your incorrect personal view of what Punk is.
I don't mean that to be insulting either. A lot has changed since the 1980's and the Gen X punks like yourself have little in common with the Millennial and Zoomer punks of my time.
Nowadays, the punks are the authoritarian SJW's. The punk you grew up with is not the punk that exists now. Even in the 80's, you still had a lot of commie and anarchist punks too, guys like Crass. But now, the SJW's and radical leftists are the only punks left.
GG Allin, Seth Putnam, and Sid Vicious are all dead, and Johnny Ramone is a living fossil.
Your average punk rocker in 2020 has more in common with Adam Koebel, Jason Unruhe, ContraPoints, Darren MacLerran, David "Olivia" Hill, and Zoe Quinn than with The Ramones, GG Allin, The Circle Jerks, or even Jello Biafra and Henry Rollins.
The only punk bands from the 80's and 90's who embody what punk eventually became would be Crass, Ministry, and maybe Rage Against The Machine (if you consider that last one to be punk)
Ever wonder why SJW's love punk rock and punk culture? Why they all have dyed hair, piercings, and ugly haircuts?
They got all of that from the punk subculture. Antifa got its start in America through the 80's hardcore punk scene and that is a documented fact.
They learned all this shit from watching you and then going full retard with the commie anarchist shit in addition to it.
Neon-colored hair and piercings are the jackboots of the 21st Century, the new uniform of authoritarian thuggery.
EDIT: Spinachat beat me to the punch in many ways.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1128001....going full retard....
'Nuff said.
I would have willingly paid your way to see Agent Orange at the Concourse in Knoxville last year. Once this Kung Flu bullshit is over, you should come on down and see a real old school Punk show.
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I definitely have a point, and I explicitly said I refused to discuss it because of exactly what happened. Exactly. Stop being a fucktard.
Quote from: jeff37923;1128006'Nuff said.
I would have willingly paid your way to see Agent Orange at the Concourse in Knoxville last year. Once this Kung Flu bullshit is over, you should come on down and see a real old school Punk show.
You know what, I think I will take you up on that offer.
Funny thing from the eighties: I remember my English punk friend (who was sooo cool because he flipped off the teacher and got expelled) complaining endlessly about how "skate punk" wasn't real punk.
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Quote from: Brad;1128009I definitely have a point, and I explicitly said I refused to discuss it because of exactly what happened. Exactly. Stop being a fucktard.
Except that's not "exactly" what happened. Exactly what you said would happen was...
Quote from: Brad;1127634I think it's a bad thing because it undermines traditional family values. But saying stuff like that just leads to attacks from hyper-partisan hacks who claim you're some sort of uneducated bigot, hence there's really no "argument" to make.
...and then I made a comment pointing out some serious flaws in the whole "traditional family values" line of non-argument, where no partisan points or claims of bigotry were made...
Quote from: VisionStorm;1127667The problem with the "but, muh traditional family values!" argument is that it's not really an argument. It's just an empty value judgment that doesn't elucidate anything and simply assumes some sort of transcendental value in the words "family" and "values" without objectively defining exactly what that means or supporting their worth beyond describing them as "traditional".
It doesn't even explain exactly how the mere existence of gay couples undermines "traditional family values" cuz gay people are not gonna suddenly enter into healthy heterosexual relationships, not defined by a life of unfulfillment and quiet desperation, simply cuz you keep them from getting married. And foster children are not gonna improve their chances of finding straight foster parents simply by preventing gay couples from adopting them, it's simply just gonna reduce their chances of finding a family in general. All over some vague notion of "traditional family values".
...And them you got pissy and started to claim that your point had been made (somehow).
But I guess that logic and common sense are hyper-partisan accusations of bigotry. :rolleyes:
BIMPOC???? Black - Indigenous - Mixed Race - Person of Color?
When did blacks and indians get kicked out of the POC club?
Considering latinos are "mixed race", who is left in the POC club?
And is "neurodiverse" the new online faux-autism?
Quote from: VisionStorm;1128096Except that's not "exactly" what happened. Exactly what you said would happen was...
...and then I made a comment pointing out some serious flaws in the whole "traditional family values" line of non-argument, where no partisan points or claims of bigotry were made...
...And them you got pissy and started to claim that your point had been made (somehow).
But I guess that logic and common sense are hyper-partisan accusations of bigotry. :rolleyes:
No, it is exactly what happened. You didn't point out shit and instead proved EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. "hence there's really no "argument" to make." Exactly. I am not going to waste my time arguing anything because it's pointless. Retards like yourself with some superiority complex automatically assume whatever argument I am going to make is flawed, regardless of merit, so I am not going to bother.
And that's what happened. Let me be more explicit so your retard brain can get it:
1) I say I think it's bad
2) I make a flippant comment in reply to JKim and say I won't get into it because hyperpartisan attacks will happen instantly
3) I make another flippant comment
4) You make some retard reply that sets up a strawman, alleging I made some sort of argument that I never did, and in fact proved that whatever I would have said would have been met with the same contempy
5) You - "Ho ho ho, I am so smart and you are dumb."
6) Me - "Fuck off, moron. This is exactly why I don't want to bother."
"But I guess that logic and common sense are hyper-partisan accusations of bigotry."
Like, do you even see how fucking moronic this statement is? You have ASSUMED that no matter what I say, it is "bigoted". It's hopeless to engage in a discussion with someone who automatically labels you in such a fashion. Lemme guess, all Trump voters are Nazis and anyone who opposes gay marriage for religious reasons is an uneducated redneck. Right? Your whole platform is just a laughable parroting of SJW bullshit. I mean, you might as well have asked me if I've stopped beating my wife. It's literally that stupid.
Quote from: Brad;1128136No, it is exactly what happened. You didn't point out shit and instead proved EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING. "hence there's really no "argument" to make." Exactly. I am not going to waste my time arguing anything because it's pointless. Retards like yourself with some superiority complex automatically assume whatever argument I am going to make is flawed, regardless of merit, so I am not going to bother.
And that's what happened. Let me be more explicit so your retard brain can get it:
1) I say I think it's bad
2) I make a flippant comment in reply to JKim and say I won't get into it because hyperpartisan attacks will happen instantly
3) I make another flippant comment
4) You make some retard reply that sets up a strawman, alleging I made some sort of argument that I never did, and in fact proved that whatever I would have said would have been met with the same contempy
5) You - "Ho ho ho, I am so smart and you are dumb."
6) Me - "Fuck off, moron. This is exactly why I don't want to bother."
"But I guess that logic and common sense are hyper-partisan accusations of bigotry."
Like, do you even see how fucking moronic this statement is? You have ASSUMED that no matter what I say, it is "bigoted". It's hopeless to engage in a discussion with someone who automatically labels you in such a fashion. Lemme guess, all Trump voters are Nazis and anyone who opposes gay marriage for religious reasons is an uneducated redneck. Right? Your whole platform is just a laughable parroting of SJW bullshit. I mean, you might as well have asked me if I've stopped beating my wife. It's literally that stupid.
I'll grant you that I probably came off as smug, but then again so do you (but I guess it's OK when you do it), and you have some very fast and loose definitions of "hyper-partisan" and "bigotry" and are reading a lot of things into my post I never said. You're also operating under a lot of assumptions that don't apply to me (I'd probably vote for Trump by this point if I could, TBH, everyone else is shit) and are being overly defensive and preemptively aggressive, lashing out at these imaginary ghosts that are supposedly out to get you but haven't even showed up, much less attacked yet.
I also never "alleged" you said anything. I merely commented on the idea of using "traditional family values" as an argument in general. But reading comprehension is apparently an issue for you.
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Quote from: Gagarth;1128387Utterly pathetic fucks. The sort of people who need medication when the toast lands butter side down.
You know, they could never make
Goonies today. Remember
Goonies?
One of the minor, but important things (and it got a bit more discussion in the novelization) was One Eyed Willy. During the exploration of Willy's ship, Sean Astin's character lifts the eyepatch on Willy's skull... and it's just blank bone. Willy had a birth defect, evidently, where that eye never formed.
So he put an eyepatch over it. To quote the novel, 'He turned a flaw into a down card -- a thing of romance.'
What am I getting at? Esmeralda here is hunting some seriously badass critters. She has to have that prosthetic leg for mobility. But she doesn't have to advertise it. Make it an ace in the hole. Store a couple things inside it. Let Big Bad Wolf bite it, and while he's looking confused, shoot him in the face with a silver crossbow bolt.
But because SJWs are mentally defective, they interpret this as 'covering up your disability like it's shameful'.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1128405You know, they could never make Goonies today. Remember Goonies?
One of the minor, but important things (and it got a bit more discussion in the novelization) was One Eyed Willy. During the exploration of Willy's ship, Sean Astin's character lifts the eyepatch on Willy's skull... and it's just blank bone. Willy had a birth defect, evidently, where that eye never formed.
So he put an eyepatch over it. To quote the novel, 'He turned a flaw into a down card -- a thing of romance.'
What am I getting at? Esmeralda here is hunting some seriously badass critters. She has to have that prosthetic leg for mobility. But she doesn't have to advertise it. Make it an ace in the hole. Store a couple things inside it. Let Big Bad Wolf bite it, and while he's looking confused, shoot him in the face with a silver crossbow bolt.
But because SJWs are mentally defective, they interpret this as 'covering up your disability like it's shameful'.
Greetings!
Excellent point, Ghostmaker!:D I have long believed that Liberals in general, and SJW's in particular, are brainwashed morons that have this weird kind of mental disease. However you slice it and add it up, they have this constant, deep belief and consciousness that views everything in the world as damaged, corrupt, and oppressive. This is why they see everyone in a kind of "Oppression Olympics" and every institution, every organization, every structure in society as some kind of fucked up power game, where there are a few elite winners, and everyone else are oppressed and victims. This ideology mentally cripples them, and destroys their cognitive abilities. It's why everything is some kind of moral crisis for them, and why so few of them can be reasoned with in a rational manner.
I saw how they are brainwashed into this ideology and world view first hand when I was in college. They are taught to see white people, Western Civilization, America, the family, and every institution and thing in society as oppressive, racist, blah, blah, blah. They see the same problems in music, books, films, and games. Everything, you know?
It is the same kind of thing with Esmerelda and her missing leg. Instead of it being simply a personal detail, and something of a challenge for that character--and also having opportunities for gain in the game--they see it entirely through an
Ideological and Political Lens of Esmerelda being "oppressed" by being disabled, and by extension, an insult and disparagement against disabled gamers in general.
It's a fucked up way of thinking, and I think it is very isolating and mentally corrosive. SJW's are deeply unhappy, angry, and miserable people. They are taught to critique and hate everything, and that everything is evil, and must be changed and educated so that only their vision of this new kind of SJW utopia can be established everywhere in society.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1128405What am I getting at? Esmeralda here is hunting some seriously badass critters. She has to have that prosthetic leg for mobility. But she doesn't have to advertise it. Make it an ace in the hole. Store a couple things inside it. Let Big Bad Wolf bite it, and while he's looking confused, shoot him in the face with a silver crossbow bolt.
But because SJWs are mentally defective, they interpret this as 'covering up your disability like it's shameful'.
I literally played this exact character in an Iron Kingdoms campaign. My cleric had a pegleg few knew about, and it was always a hoot when I limped in unarmed, and then threw blades to my comrades and turned the tables. And I was both happy to see you AND had a loaded pistol in my pants.
But fuck WotC....as always.
And my totally messed up Stormbringer beggar? He was a half blind, disabled mess who often had to be carried by other characters, but nobody was better at getting information. I'm blind, how could I have possibly found the secret door? And nobody has time for dealing with an old fool so leave him alone in the lord's study until we deal with those ruffians at the gate!
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I can't wait for the redesigned version where she has a 10' neon flashing sign above her head that reads "I'M DIFFERENTLY ABLED AND PROUD!"
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1128453I can't wait for the redesigned version where she has a 10' neon flashing sign above her head that reads "I'M DIFFERENTLY ABLED AND PROUD!"
As someone who is disabled myself, I don't see why anyone should be proud of having a disability.
I can understand not being ashamed of it, but you shouldn't wave it around either it.
Being able to accomplish something despite your disability is worth being proud of.
But I'm a self-loathing depressive shitlord, so take my words with a grain of salt.
Quote from: SHARK;1128410Greetings!
Excellent point, Ghostmaker!:D I have long believed that Liberals in general, and SJW's in particular, are brainwashed morons that have this weird kind of mental disease. However you slice it and add it up, they have this constant, deep belief and consciousness that views everything in the world as damaged, corrupt, and oppressive. This is why they see everyone in a kind of "Oppression Olympics" and every institution, every organization, every structure in society as some kind of fucked up power game, where there are a few elite winners, and everyone else are oppressed and victims. This ideology mentally cripples them, and destroys their cognitive abilities. It's why everything is some kind of moral crisis for them, and why so few of them can be reasoned with in a rational manner.
Agreed and seconded.
It is kind of getting embarrassing to see as a member of the human race. I have a feeling they would go on Twitter and incite a the twitter equivalent of a mob because as another poster mentioned they made two toasts and one landed with the butter and jam towards the plate as opposed to landing the eact way they want it
I saw how they are brainwashed into this ideology and world view first hand when I was in college. They are taught to see white people, Western Civilization, America, the family, and every institution and thing in society as oppressive, racist, blah, blah, blah. They see the same problems in music, books, films, and games. Everything, you know?
Quote from: SHARK;1128410It is the same kind of thing with Esmerelda and her missing leg. Instead of it being simply a personal detail, and something of a challenge for that character--and also having opportunities for gain in the game--they see it entirely through an Ideological and Political Lens of Esmerelda being "oppressed" by being disabled, and by extension, an insult and disparagement against disabled gamers in general.
Call me evil and abelist if you must yet if one is missing a leg or another similar appendage then one is at disadvantage in a fight and a at a disability with those they are fighting with. Yes they can overcome it yet if the person missing one arm gets into a fight, hopefully their opponent will not focus on the side missing an arm. Which goes over the head of SJWs who have no idea what happens in a fight.
Quote from: SHARK;1128410It's a fucked up way of thinking, and I think it is very isolating and mentally corrosive. SJW's are deeply unhappy, angry, and miserable people. They are taught to critique and hate everything, and that everything is evil, and must be changed and educated so that only their vision of this new kind of SJW utopia can be established everywhere in society.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Again agreed and seconded.
They usually end up hiding behind their keyboards as in most cases if they tried to pull this kind of bullshit at an actual game in person or online they would be told to stop then get told to get the hell out. Over at TBP their are posters who because they are easily trigger and/or offended by undead that they will causal strut into another person game and home and demand the undead be removed from the campaign. Anyone and everyone else who disagrees is evil, nazi etcc. Good luck with actually doing that.
thank yew, thank yew, try the veal :)
Quote from: sureshot;1128465Agreed and seconded.
It is kind of getting embarrassing to see as a member of the human race. I have a feeling they would go on Twitter and incite a the twitter equivalent of a mob because as another poster mentioned they made two toasts and one landed with the butter and jam towards the plate as opposed to landing the eact way they want it
I saw how they are brainwashed into this ideology and world view first hand when I was in college. They are taught to see white people, Western Civilization, America, the family, and every institution and thing in society as oppressive, racist, blah, blah, blah. They see the same problems in music, books, films, and games. Everything, you know?
My mother calls it 'Selma Envy'.
None of them were around for the really big, really serious civil rights era work. They came too late, and now they're desperately seeking something, ANYTHING to 'crusade' over so as to prop up their empty, anemic lives.
QuoteCall me evil and abelist if you must yet if one is missing a leg or another similar appendage then one is at disadvantage in a fight and a at a disability with those they are fighting with. Yes they can overcome it yet if the person missing one arm gets into a fight, hopefully their opponent will not focus on the side missing an arm. Which goes over the head of SJWs who have no idea what happens in a fight.
Depends on the person and the disability in question. As I noted in my Goonies comparison, One Eyed Willy turned his deformity into a roguish look. There have been soldiers who lost limbs but were able to return to duty with prosthetics. Vulnerability? Maybe. But I for one might be a tad nervous picking a fight with a guy who lost a leg and is still jumping out of planes.
You're not wrong about SJWs having about as much understanding of a fight as they do about, well, everything else, though. :)
QuoteAgain agreed and seconded.
They usually end up hiding behind their keyboards as in most cases if they tried to pull this kind of bullshit at an actual game in person or online they would be told to stop then get told to get the hell out. Over at TBP their are posters who because they are easily trigger and/or offended by undead that they will causal strut into another person game and home and demand the undead be removed from the campaign. Anyone and everyone else who disagrees is evil, nazi etcc. Good luck with actually doing that.
I wonder how many of these mongs actually play in real-world games, as opposed to swaggering about online and telling what I call 'Ben trovato' stories?
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1128457But I'm a self-loathing depressive shitlord, so take my words with a grain of salt.
Stop loathing yourself and you'll be less depressed.
Everybody can find a reason to loathe themselves if they want, but its a waste of life.
It's a super dorky saying, but it's very true. If you want to be loved, you must first love yourself. Seriously, can you imagine a more cringe proverb? It's like syrup in syrup sauce. But its still true.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1128596Stop loathing yourself and you'll be less depressed.
Everybody can find a reason to loathe themselves if they want, but its a waste of life.
It's a super dorky saying, but it's very true. If you want to be loved, you must first love yourself. Seriously, can you imagine a more cringe proverb? It's like syrup in syrup sauce. But its still true.
Fair point, I suppose.
Worst part was that my mood was improving and so was my life until the lockdowns put all my plans to a screeching halt with no definitive end in sight, especially in regards to my new schooling.
The "Celebrate and display your disability" thing makes me wonder if it ties into the fat acceptance "Healthy at any size" thing.
If one is supposed to feed into the other and justify it, ect.
Nobody is supposed to be embarrassed or ashamed of having a disability though. While at the same time, we don't expect them to go out of their way to constantly draw attention to the fact either. It's one thing if Bob at my table has a prosthetic hand and uses it to roll dice, drink his soda and just, well use it as his hand. It's another thing if Bob is constantly going around and shoving his stump in everyone's face going "DO YOU KNOW I LOST A HAND?! DO YOU THINK I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE I'M MISSING A HAND?! I BET YOU THINK I CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE I'M MISSING A HAND!"
It's like being gay in the western world now. In most places it's an accepted normal part of people. I can sit around with a gay fried and bitch about our significant others to one another, despite us preferring different people. But if my gay friend was constantly going on pointing out how he's gay, how he loves to suck cock and came to the game session dressed in a hot pink speedo with a rainbow flag painted on his chest.. Yeah it would be obnoxious.
Yet, being Gay and being Disabled 98% of the time isn't a choice.
Where as being fat is something we all have more control over. Yes genetics can make things more or less difficult, but you can still get out of being a land whale purely with exercising just a moderate amount of discipline. Yet the Fat movement is about celebrating Obesity and constantly harping about it, and attempting to shame people who are turned off by the presence of fat rolls and body sores from layers of skin constantly rubbing over one another.
In a way trying to push for the obnoxious body diversity is about trying to normalize things like obesity.
Quote from: Orphan81;1128616The "Celebrate and display your disability" thing makes me wonder if it ties into the fat acceptance "Healthy at any size" thing.
The answer is yes. Tying this back to the original principle: This comes from a fetishization of the other.
At one point or another, you have to say what is normal, and what is preferred and what is the standard or society goes insane. Standards can be cruel and demand conformity but that's the nature of reality. The SJW problem is the belief that reality can ever be truly fair.
SJWs are perverse.
Quote from: Orphan81;1128616The "Celebrate and display your disability" thing makes me wonder if it ties into the fat acceptance "Healthy at any size" thing.
That China virus had been fat-shaming those healthy-at-any-size people to death.
Quote from: DocJones;1128730That China virus had been fat-shaming those healthy-at-any-size people to death.
Reality has a way of reasserting itself.
Greetings!
"Healthy at any size"? *Laughing* Geesus, our society gets more delusional and stupid by the year. These hippo's need to face reality. No real physician is going to tell you that being a fucking hippo is "healthy". Most people with diabetes--are also fat. The medical, health, emotional and social issues that arise from being fat are a buffet of huge problems. All the chanting about "Fat Acceptance" is just self-delusion and nonsense. The sad thing is, is the real problems, illness, struggle, and early death that faces fat people doesn't change or go away because some hippo in lipstick wants to blubber on about how "healthy at any size" people are.
I tell friends that are fat, dude. I don't want you to suffer more problems. You need to lose weight, seriously. Change your portion control, and start walking everyday around the block. A month after that, start going to the gym. Start slowly, safely, and keep at it. Eventually it will get easier, and you will lose weight. You will be healthier and happier in every way.
It's a simple message, but it is true. These people lying to themselves and others around them supporting them and encouraging them in their delusions is wrong. Ultimately though, these people will suffer the most and pay the highest bill.
Anyone that has ever been overweight in the past will say being a normal weight is much better in every way. There is nothing that is healthy, fun, or happy about being fat.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
The "Obesity is Awesome" movement isn't going to last...for so many reasons.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1128600Worst part was that my mood was improving and so was my life until the lockdowns put all my plans to a screeching halt with no definitive end in sight, especially in regards to my new schooling.
Have you contacted your new school? Is there any option for remote classes?
The lockdown is a blessing in disguise if you want it to be. Get your ass outside, empower your immune system with sunlight and exercise, and when inside, read books. Ignore the idiot box and the boob tube. You clearly have no problems with reading skills. If you don't have books at home to read, eBay is your friend for used books. People sell entire lots of paperbacks for cheap prices.
It almost doesn't matter what you read as long as you read a lot. Any schooling for any subject in the future will only benefit from you engaging more in reading. Reading is a major mind muscle and blogs, forums and online articles are junk food. They don't offer deep immersion over 200+ pages and for whatever reason, that length and depth is very important for mental development. Its no surprise people who read more have an easier time with school.
If you want to challenge yourself, read some nonfiction texts in subject areas of interest.
BTW, I don't know if this is a thing in your area, but in California, there's a movement of neighborhood free library kiosks. People put up a little hut in front of their house and people who walk buy can take a book, or drop off a book. When you're outside getting your sun and walking, wander through some neighborhoods. Who know what you'll find. I found my first copy of Palladium's Nightbane in a trash can!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1128761The "Obesity is Awesome" movement isn't going to last...for so many reasons.
Have you contacted your new school? Is there any option for remote classes?
The lockdown is a blessing in disguise if you want it to be. Get your ass outside, empower your immune system with sunlight and exercise, and when inside, read books. Ignore the idiot box and the boob tube. You clearly have no problems with reading skills. If you don't have books at home to read, eBay is your friend for used books. People sell entire lots of paperbacks for cheap prices.
It almost doesn't matter what you read as long as you read a lot. Any schooling for any subject in the future will only benefit from you engaging more in reading. Reading is a major mind muscle and blogs, forums and online articles are junk food. They don't offer deep immersion over 200+ pages and for whatever reason, that length and depth is very important for mental development. Its no surprise people who read more have an easier time with school.
If you want to challenge yourself, read some nonfiction texts in subject areas of interest.
BTW, I don't know if this is a thing in your area, but in California, there's a movement of neighborhood free library kiosks. People put up a little hut in front of their house and people who walk buy can take a book, or drop off a book. When you're outside getting your sun and walking, wander through some neighborhoods. Who know what you'll find. I found my first copy of Palladium's Nightbane in a trash can!
The remote classes aren't available for me since I was in between phases (the school does the program in three distinct phases, and I finished the first phase but did not get to start the second phase when the lockdown began. When it is lifted, I will probably resume it again)
I have started doing some more reading recently. Recently began reading a true crime novel that was just laying around on the downstairs bookshelf, looks like it was purchased at Goodwill on the cheap a long time ago.
The novel in question is "The Embrace" by Aphrodite Jones, and so far it's actually pretty good. I'm also going to look on eBay and Amazon for some more books to read, both fiction and nonficition.
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I say we need more pro-capitalist games and we should recolonize the hobby!
Manifest Destiny, bitches! 1607 Shall Commence Again!
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All jokes aside, this woman's a dumb woke cunt and Chaosium isn't the powerhouse it used to be.
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Shes just a moron. Like Im not even suprised or shocked. There are so many obvious flaws with her logic but what does even discussing them do?
Greetings!
"Decolonializing the Minotaurs"? *Laughing* Geesus, these intersectional feminist, queer, anti fascist, anti capitalist morons are so fucking pathetic. How many stupid as fuck labels do they need to proclaim their super-special identity? They are typically entirely ignorant, uneducated, and brainwashed slugs.
When I was in college, I had to rub shoulders with many slugs just like this. They were often in my classes, forming an at-the-time sizeable, loud and vocal minority. I often wondered how they could be attending the same university I was, and yet, they demonstrated constantly how uneducated they were? Their entire lives, their entire identity, were swallowed up by Marxism, Feminism, Liberal politics, emotions, and an commitment to rebellion against any and every institution in society. They proudly embraced every kind of barbarism and vulgarity, all somehow in the name of love and freedom, and yet, they were always in favour of every kind of sex, abortion, drugs, belligerently defiant against their parents, they despised the government, the church, and the military. They adored minorities and the poor, and hated white people. They professed to love education, but seemed skeptical, and hateful towards anyone that was actually educated, prosperous, and successful. It seemed very much they were a modern version of an ignorant, fanatical, urban barbarian. And the funny thing is, if you disagreed with any of their nonsense, they would literally shed tears that you were a heartless, evil monster, and it was YOU that were brainwashed and uneducated.
And always from the sobbing, obscenity-spewing lips of a fat, 20-year old white girl with too many piercings, tattoos, and purple hair.:D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
It is a little late to start decolonializing the Minotaurs now because Dragonlance has been doing it since 1984.
I'm gonna regret asking this...but HOW does an anti-capitalist work for a company that makes and sells stuff for money?
As for NuChaosium hiring her? Zero surprise, but yet more reasons to ignore NuChaosium. Yes, they produced lots of great product in the past, but that time has long past.
Silent Legions does CoC better (especially if you enjoy OSR systems)
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/145769/Silent-Legions
Considering the original mythology of the minotaur, the whole 'decolonizing' thing strikes me as hilarious.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1129561Considering the original mythology of the minotaur, the whole 'decolonizing' thing strikes me as hilarious.
These are barbarians masquerading as liberators.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1129540I'm gonna regret asking this...but HOW does an anti-capitalist work for a company that makes and sells stuff for money?
The answer is always the same sort of thing of:
"I have no choice but to work within the system"
or
'I undermine the system from within the system'
The answer is this is emotional gratification based, not based on a practical desire for change.
Do these people actually think they would be allowed to decolonize minotaurs or whatever for a living after the revolution they claim to want?
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Good, the more danger hairs the big publishers hire the better for small / indie publishers, they create the market conditions for their replacement to come into existence or to grow enough to be a danger to them if it already exists.
How the Fuck do you Decolonize Minotaurs?! No really?! How the fuck do you do that?
What is Colonized about Minotaurs! It's from a Greek myth for fuck sake! Holy shit, the D&D version of Minotaurs even leaves out all the rape stuff the original myths have!
This is breaking my brain. I thought Minotaurs were already pretty damn sanitized... what the fuck more can you do with them!??!
Quote from: Orphan81;1129811This is breaking my brain. I thought Minotaurs were already pretty damn sanitized... what the fuck more can you do with them!??!
That was my first reaction, too. However, on second thought I don't want to ask that question on the grounds that an SJW might answer it. Just hearing them talk lowers the IQ of everyone in range.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1129785Good, the more danger hairs the big publishers hire the better for small / indie publishers, they create the market conditions for their replacement to come into existence or to grow enough to be a danger to them if it already exists.
What makes them hypocrites of the highest caliber is the put all that stupid "I'm anti-capitalist" shit in their bios yet still receive salaries. It's why I probably will never purchase anything from Evil Hat again. Fred Hicks proudly proclaims that capitalism is the root of all evil then uses Kickstarter to fund their next book. Money and Capitalism is bad though they are not afraid to spend and receive the first and make use of the second when it suits them.
Quote from: Orphan81;1129811How the Fuck do you Decolonize Minotaurs?! No really?! How the fuck do you do that?
What is Colonized about Minotaurs! It's from a Greek myth for fuck sake! Holy shit, the D&D version of Minotaurs even leaves out all the rape stuff the original myths have!
This is breaking my brain. I thought Minotaurs were already pretty damn sanitized... what the fuck more can you do with them!??!
Hence my uncontrolled giggling.
Remember, in Greek myth the Minotaur's daddy was a beautiful,
pure white bull that Minos was supposed to sacrifice to Poseidon.
Oh, the places we go in mythology... :D
Quote from: sureshot;1129815What makes them hypocrites of the highest caliber is the put all that stupid "I'm anti-capitalist" shit in their bios yet still receive salaries. It's why I probably will never purchase anything from Evil Hat again. Fred Hicks proudly proclaims that capitalism is the root of all evil then uses Kickstarter to fund their next book. Money and Capitalism is bad though they are not afraid to spend and receive the first and make use of the second when it suits them.
This is an increasing Hypocrisy that bothers me more, and more and more. I don't think unfettered Capitalism is the greatest system to go with... But Somewhat regulated Capitalism is better than anything else we have.... So for these folks to decry Capitalism but still be happy to turn a profit and accept money... and not put their money where their mouth is, bothers the fuck out of me. More so with celebrities, but the fact they don't even fucking acknowledge what their doing bothers me. Saying something like "I don't like Capitalism as a system but look yo, I got to eat.." Would at least be honest.. but the fact their like "CAPITALISM IS EVIL! BUY MY BOOK!" is what really angers me.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1129816Hence my uncontrolled giggling.
Remember, in Greek myth the Minotaur's daddy was a beautiful, pure white bull that Minos was supposed to sacrifice to Poseidon.
Oh, the places we go in mythology... :D
I just want to know what they think they can decolonize next. I always think we've seen it all, but they still manage to surprise me. Maybe we'll learn about how Gnolls have a society around elevating Gay-Polyamarous relationships as the highest ideal, with mystical Male-Pregnancy giving birth to the next generation and how beautiful it all is.
What does "decolonizing" something mean in this context, anyway? I am actually curious because there are literally maybe 20 or less actual colonies around the world, and most of them are resorts like Aruba.
Quote from: Brad;1129831What does "decolonizing" something mean in this context, anyway? I am actually curious because there are literally maybe 20 or less actual colonies around the world, and most of them are resorts like Aruba.
Means 'rewriting it so that it appeals to peeohsees and doesn't have any white man cooties on it'. These are people who thinking anything researched, written, or touched by white guys is somehow tainted. Which is how you get such insanity as declaring work ethic and punctuality as 'white supremacy', or how we need to rewrite Lord of the Rings so Arwen is the real hero, etc.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1129847Means 'rewriting it so that it appeals to peeohsees and doesn't have any white man cooties on it'.
More: 'If I like it then its PC'. The entire principle of social justice is convincing its followers that what they liked already was the one true way.
I see...so nothing more than white guilt. Am I right in guessing that the people doing this are typically privileged white people who tell minorities they're too brainwashed to realize how oppressed they actually are? Paternalism level 8000.
Also, just throwing this out there...if Western culture is so terrible, why does it produce the best results?
Quote from: Brad;1129862Also, just throwing this out there...if Western culture is so terrible, why does it produce the best results?
Please, best results! Have you not seen that documentary Black Panther on what African culture can achieve if the white man had not ruined it.
Quote from: sureshot;1129815What makes them hypocrites of the highest caliber is the put all that stupid "I'm anti-capitalist" shit in their bios yet still receive salaries. It's why I probably will never purchase anything from Evil Hat again. Fred Hicks proudly proclaims that capitalism is the root of all evil then uses Kickstarter to fund their next book. Money and Capitalism is bad though they are not afraid to spend and receive the first and make use of the second when it suits them.
Or to threaten to flee from evul wacist orange man to a country more white than the USA?
Quote from: Brad;1129862Also, just throwing this out there...if Western culture is so terrible, why does it produce the best results?
If they wanna be communist and live in a commune they can do that TODAY. There are still active communist communes in the USA. And while most of them failed miserably by process of elimination Id wager the current communes are good places to be a communist.
The answer is that they don't wanna be communists. They want the moral superiority of demanding communism.
Quote from: Orphan81;1129824This is an increasing Hypocrisy that bothers me more, and more and more. I don't think unfettered Capitalism is the greatest system to go with... But Somewhat regulated Capitalism is better than anything else we have.... So for these folks to decry Capitalism but still be happy to turn a profit and accept money... and not put their money where their mouth is, bothers the fuck out of me. More so with celebrities, but the fact they don't even fucking acknowledge what their doing bothers me. Saying something like "I don't like Capitalism as a system but look yo, I got to eat.." Would at least be honest.. but the fact their like "CAPITALISM IS EVIL! BUY MY BOOK!" is what really angers me.
Hypocrites are to be hypocritical imo.
I just laugh at all those who claim that money and Capitalism is the root of all evil. As they are just full of shit imo and just trying to score points with their fans. It's when they get full of piss and vinegar when you point out their hypocrisy. Of course they are above reproach yet what they do expect not to be called for their bullshit in this day and age of social media. Evil Hat got ripped a new one for their hypocritical treatment of Lovecraft in their new product. How racist and evil he was etc. Yet when called out in their hypocrisy for having used his works on their chuthu rpg Fred Hicks tried to justify his anti-capitalism bullshit as being fine and dandy even when using Kickstarter and other people fucking money to pay for his Lovecraft book. Which let us be honest would never have sold as much without his use of Lovecraft in the first place.
Quote from: Orphan81;1129824I just want to know what they think they can decolonize next. I always think we've seen it all, but they still manage to surprise me. Maybe we'll learn about how Gnolls have a society around elevating Gay-Polyamarous relationships as the highest ideal, with mystical Male-Pregnancy giving birth to the next generation and how beautiful it all is.
The issue is imo that the Internet makes SJWs think they will simply just walk in and start making terms at other gamers tables. Well good luck with that. Sure over at TBP where it's an echo chamber and posts which do not support that as the status quo are banned. Yet outside of the Internet the real world is a different place. Sure gamer XYZ decides to join my campaign which uses a lot of Undead and can demand I change it because he gets triggered at the site of undead. I will pretty much say no and to leave the table. Same way if SJW XYZ demands I stop using all the standard evil races in D&D because they find them racist. Either put up with it or get out. Thankfully we are seeing pushback at least from other gamers against that. Too many rpg publishers have bent the knee thinking to cash in on all those SJW dollars. Except what they don't get is that SJWs want to change and possibly ruin hobbies to fit WHAT they want. They don't financially support those hobbies after change is implemented. AS Marvel and DC comics have seen. Get woke go broke is what usually happens
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1129892If they wanna be communist and live in a commune they can do that TODAY. There are still active communist communes in the USA. And while most of them failed miserably by process of elimination Id wager the current communes are good places to be a communist.
The answer is that they don't wanna be communists. They want the moral superiority of demanding communism.
Actually, there really are functioning and thriving communes. They're called 'monasteries' and 'convents'. :)
Greetings!
I think it is pretty funny and ironic that there are many SJW's that are unemployed, broke, and living just above subsistence, like some weird kind of urban nomad. Whenever I have interacted with any of them, they are always crying about how they can't afford anything, they can't go anywhere, they can't buy anything.
That isn't a crowd I would think would be profitable to cater to as a business. They are usually broke! *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
That also explains why they have all that time and energy to spend on whining on twiddit about everything that OPPRESSES them.
Quote from: Morblot;1129964That also explains why they have all that time and energy to spend on whining on twiddit about everything that OPPRESSES them.
Greetings!
*Laughing* Very true! It's amazing how when you actually have to work a long, hard day, then have to frequently take care of business like going to the bank, paying bills, staying on top of your auto insurance, your cell-phone, going to the grocery store, actually preparing and cooking meals at home, taking care of doing your laundry, attending other chores--doing all of that doesn't leave you with a lot of time or energy to worry about all the stupid bullshit these SJW's cry about all the time.
Personally, in the past, there have been days where I barely had time to enjoy a cup of coffee, and read the newspaper, I was so busy on the go working and taking care o business.
I have always thought that SJW's have a petulant and adolescent world view. It may sound trite, or whatever, but get to actually *working*, paying bills, dealing with family, getting involved with a local church, actually building and maintaining a real adult life, and so much of everything SJW's claim to be so important and meaningful, becomes entirely petty and irrelevant.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1129959Greetings!
I think it is pretty funny and ironic that there are many SJW's that are unemployed, broke, and living just above subsistence, like some weird kind of urban nomad. Whenever I have interacted with any of them, they are always crying about how they can't afford anything, they can't go anywhere, they can't buy anything.
That isn't a crowd I would think would be profitable to cater to as a business. They are usually broke! *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Unfortunately Shark they maybe broke yet very vocal. For some odd inexplicable reason are given way too much power by companies. Speaking for myself if I owned a company and my market research indicates that SJW are broke, I sure as hell would not be catering to them. The sad part is too many families with people like that instead of cutting them off financially give them money to continue surviving instead of cutting them of forcing them to work. It's not to say don't give them any money yet if SJW XYZ is broke all the time it's time for them to either get a job or forced to be put on a strict budget.
Quote from: SHARK;1129959Greetings!
I think it is pretty funny and ironic that there are many SJW's that are unemployed, broke, and living just above subsistence, like some weird kind of urban nomad. Whenever I have interacted with any of them, they are always crying about how they can't afford anything, they can't go anywhere, they can't buy anything.
That isn't a crowd I would think would be profitable to cater to as a business. They are usually broke! *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Of course if you are broke then you are going to say that Capitalism does not work, otherwise you would have to take a look at yourself and ask "Am I the baddie?"
Quote from: sureshot;1129976Unfortunately Shark they maybe broke yet very vocal. For some odd inexplicable reason are given way too much power by companies. Speaking for myself if I owned a company and my market research indicates that SJW are broke, I sure as hell would not be catering to them. The sad part is too many families with people like that instead of cutting them off financially give them money to continue surviving instead of cutting them of forcing them to work. It's not to say don't give them any money yet if SJW XYZ is broke all the time it's time for them to either get a job or forced to be put on a strict budget.
Is there any actual market research indicating that SJWs are broke? I'm suspicious of the idea that companies are all acting against their self-interest for some "odd inexplicable reason".
Quote from: jhkim;1129998Is there any actual market research indicating that SJWs are broke? I'm suspicious of the idea that companies are all acting against their self-interest for some "odd inexplicable reason".
Companies act against their own self interest listening to warped marketting or because of office politics? That unpossible!
Quote from: jhkim;1129998Is there any actual market research indicating that SJWs are broke? I'm suspicious of the idea that companies are all acting against their self-interest for some "odd inexplicable reason".
Marvel and DC comics were and still are hemoragging fans, sales and profit.
Marvel comics went fully woke with fans not really interested in diversity or the kind where the writers shove their politics down the fans throats. With the added bonus of telling fans if they don't like it to get lost. The SJWs who made a fuss and were very vocal about representation and diversity were given exactly what they demanded for. Except they did not buy the newer "better" comics or at least not in enough numbers to be profitable with them losing profit and cancelling titles.
It certainly was not helped with two new characters called Snowflake and Safe space and no I am not kidding or making it up. I am sure their are more yet Marvel truly stands out.
Greetings!
Market research? Well, I have formed my assessment from actual Liberals, SJW's, "Community Activists" and other assorted feminists, hippies, Wiccans, and freaks that I have actually known or met in person, face to face. Many whom of which are unemployed, and proclaim themselves broke and poor. A good number I have also known are theoretically self-employed, though they too have often been broke and barely getting by. Whenever I have also made dicrete inquiries into why they are continuously broke and barely getting by--speaking of the self-employed and business owners--they have always patiently explained to me that the majority of their customers--Liberals, SJW's, the assorted hippies and freaks are often unemployed, broke and poor. Even when such people are employed--they are marginal, employed in low-wage labour, retail, and other jobs filled by the working poor.
When I have pointed out that perhaps if they broadened their market appeal to reach middle-class and professional white people--and not wear their Liberal politics on their sleeves--I have been met with the Deer-caught-in headlights look.:D
So, yeah. I have seen the whole "Get Woke, Go Broke" dynamic up close and personal. It is sad to see, really. These people's inherent racism, classism, hatred of Capitalism, and often fundamentally lacking comprehension of Capitalism and marketing often keeps them trapped in a barrel of crabs. Oftentimes their politics--their Liberalism, their Racism, their Classism, their racial and sexual identity politics, their feminism, all of that--when all of that gagging, pathetic bullshit is baked around and fully served up with whatever product or service you are attempting to offer the market--they have then severely limited their market, and they often remain broke and poor themselves, just marginally better off than the broke and poor customers they seek to attract.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim;1129998Is there any actual market research indicating that SJWs are broke? I'm suspicious of the idea that companies are all acting against their self-interest for some "odd inexplicable reason".
It's pretty fucking obvious what the "odd inexplicable reason" is. Entryists who have been thoroughly brainwashed by leftest teachers have been allowed to get into positions of influence and power inside these companies or the companies that advise them.
Quote from: jhkim;1129998Is there any actual market research indicating that SJWs are broke? I'm suspicious of the idea that companies are all acting against their self-interest for some "odd inexplicable reason".
Other than the perpetual tendency of woke properties to tank hard?
Let's draw a case in point: the video game
Sunset. Hyped as a properly progressive game, it turned out to be Maid Simulator. Worse, it's Maid Simulator set against the backdrop of a far more interesting storyline that you can't interact with at all.
Oh, and they had the bad luck to release just when Steam had instituted their return policy. Unsurprisingly, Tale of Tales went under (not before blasting vitriol at gamers on their Twitter account. Lulz).
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1130043Other than the perpetual tendency of woke properties to tank hard?
Let's draw a case in point: the video game Sunset. Hyped as a properly progressive game, it turned out to be Maid Simulator. Worse, it's Maid Simulator set against the backdrop of a far more interesting storyline that you can't interact with at all.
Oh, and they had the bad luck to release just when Steam had instituted their return policy. Unsurprisingly, Tale of Tales went under (not before blasting vitriol at gamers on their Twitter account. Lulz).
That was a funny incident. That Tale of Tales woman burned every single bridge she could find on her way out when her game went under and she blamed everyone but herself for days on Twitter. But it's OK cuz GamerGate made her do it. Those filthy racist, sexist, evil GooberGrappers and their time traveling 4D chess made her publish a garbage game concept that not even her own target audience seemed to want.
"Get Woke, Go Broke!" is not a constant, but it happens often enough to ring true. Part of the problem (in other instances, not in the case of Sunset, per se) is that often these people cling to existing properties like Marvel and Star Wars, which are kept afloat by virtue of being owned by larger corporations that can sustain them as a loss leader cuz they still make their money from brand recognition and other sources like movies and merchandise. The problem comes when that money dries up, like it's happening to Marvel right now, so there's no more funds to keep playing their game so companies have to start cutting costs and tell them to put their pencils down.
Quote from: VisionStorm;1130063That was a funny incident. That Tale of Tales woman burned every single bridge she could find on her way out when her game went under and she blamed everyone but herself for days on Twitter. But it's OK cuz GamerGate made her do it. Those filthy racist, sexist, evil GooberGrappers and their time traveling 4D chess made her publish a garbage game concept that not even her own target audience seemed to want.
"Get Woke, Go Broke!" is not a constant, but it happens often enough to ring true. Part of the problem (in other instances, not in the case of Sunset, per se) is that often these people cling to existing properties like Marvel and Star Wars, which are kept afloat by virtue of being owned by larger corporations that can sustain them as a loss leader cuz they still make their money from brand recognition and other sources like movies and merchandise. The problem comes when that money dries up, like it's happening to Marvel right now, so there's no more funds to keep playing their game so companies have to start cutting costs and tell them to put their pencils down.
Yep. They only get away with it so long because they run on the lingering good will and momentum of the thing they take over. Which not coincidentally is also the explanation for every leftist "success" story, ever. They turn everything they touch to shit, including the term "liberal"--which once meant something very positive. And for them, it's all good. If they can't make it work, then no one else can have the thing they destroyed either.
Quote from: SHARK;1130031Market research? Well, I have formed my assessment from actual Liberals, SJW's, "Community Activists" and other assorted feminists, hippies, Wiccans, and freaks that I have actually known or met in person, face to face. Many whom of which are unemployed, and proclaim themselves broke and poor. A good number I have also known are theoretically self-employed, though they too have often been broke and barely getting by. Whenever I have also made dicrete inquiries into why they are continuously broke and barely getting by--speaking of the self-employed and business owners--they have always patiently explained to me that the majority of their customers--Liberals, SJW's, the assorted hippies and freaks are often unemployed, broke and poor.
I'm sure that has been your impression, but your sampling may not have been representative. I put limited stock even in my own anecdotal observations, because who I observe may not be representative of the wider market. I live in Silicon Valley, and I know a lot of people like from my work or my church who are very left-leaning but also high income -- like employees at Google or Facebook, for example. From what I can see of objective data, there is a correlation between politics and income in the U.S., but it is a weak correlation. Taking this survey of income bracket vs vote from the 2016 election, for example:
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In the highest income bracket, there was only a 2% difference between Clinton and Trump voters. Now, voting for Clinton isn't the same as being an SJW, I realize. Maybe the income distribution of SJWs is quite different, but I'd want to see some objective evidence of that.
From what I know at this point, there's a market for both liberal gamers and conservative gamers.
Quote from: jhkim;1130073From what I know at this point, there's a market for both liberal gamers and conservative gamers.
The liberal market is about destroying the conservative market. And the conservative market was considered liberal 10 years ago.
The liberal market does not see the existanse of an alternative market as valid.
Quote from: Shasarak;1129867Have you not seen that documentary Black Panther on what African culture can achieve if the white man had not ruined it.
Ah, Black Panther. A perfectly fine B superhero popcorn flick unfortunately hyped into some delusional race message. I enjoyed the movie and it was so clear the MSM and Twitterati desperately wanted that movie to be something else, even to the point of convincing themselves the movie in their head was on the screen. Fortunately, it was not. Black Panther was cool and fun because it was cool and fun, not because of anything relating to anyone's skin color.
Quote from: SHARK;1129959That isn't a crowd I would think would be profitable to cater to as a business. They are usually broke! *Laughing*
Silicon Valley is full of high dollar SJW garbage.
That's the crowd they're after. It's why SJW Kickstarters often do bizarrely high sales. The SJW tech nerd has disposable cash.
As for the impoverished SJWs that spend 24/7 on social media, you'll notice they often talk about how they have crippling mental issues, so they're the people existing off government money with an internet connection. Of course, they're not a market for anything.
Quote from: Gagarth;1130039It's pretty fucking obvious what the "odd inexplicable reason" is. Entryists who have been thoroughly brainwashed by leftest teachers have been allowed to get into positions of influence and power inside these companies or the companies that advise them.
The collapse of SJW media outlets has been entertaining because they existed for exactly this reason. Entryists and their funders bought into the myth that the "Loud and Angry" audience equaled a "Large and Profitable" audience and that hasn't been the case. Cue Vox, Buzzfeed and Chunk Yogurt begging for donations.
But with so much free Orange Man Bad media available, we'll see if SJWs step up to protect any of their purveyors.
Of course, the BEST thing SJW media could do is work as hard as possible to get Trump re-elected. Without the spectre of Orange Man Bad, they have ZERO to sell their audience. Under the reign of Dementia JoJo, they've got nothing to entice their SJWs.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130147Silicon Valley is full of high dollar SJW garbage.
That's the crowd they're after. It's why SJW Kickstarters often do bizarrely high sales. The SJW tech nerd has disposable cash.
As for the impoverished SJWs that spend 24/7 on social media, you'll notice they often talk about how they have crippling mental issues, so they're the people existing off government money with an internet connection. Of course, they're not a market for anything.
I think Silicon Valeey is one of the few places where SJW style marketing can survive and thrive. Many other places not so much imo. As for mental health issues and SJWs I take it with a huge grain of salt. Having a phobia say of taking stairs is an actual mental health issue. Needing trigger warning on every page of a book or reading an article online is more of grow a pair and get over it. Either the mental health system is truly broken in many countries and too many people fall through the cracks. Or too many claim to be mentally ill without truly being mentally ill. Apparently their is a bunch of gamers who insist on joining campaigns where the element of their phobia is a main element. Deciding to join a campaign with Drow and Spiders while being Arachnophobic. Playing All Flesh Must be Eaten and being triggered by the appearance of Undead and the list goes on.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1130147The collapse of SJW media outlets has been entertaining because they existed for exactly this reason. Entryists and their funders bought into the myth that the "Loud and Angry" audience equaled a "Large and Profitable" audience and that hasn't been the case. Cue Vox, Buzzfeed and Chunk Yogurt begging for donations.
But with so much free Orange Man Bad media available, we'll see if SJWs step up to protect any of their purveyors.
Of course, the BEST thing SJW media could do is work as hard as possible to get Trump re-elected. Without the spectre of Orange Man Bad, they have ZERO to sell their audience. Under the reign of Dementia JoJo, they've got nothing to entice their SJWs.
I am so happy at the collapse of such SJW style media outlets because those that usually work for them tend to insult those who are not their target audience then wonder why the same people don't wan to give money to keep them from going under. It's like more than one SJW Marvel comic writer out of work lashing out at non-Sjws then wondering why no one buys their product and they can't get work. I worry for you all to the South as I am not sure how the country will react to Trump being re-elected and hope you are all safe and sound. At this point I can't see Biden winning.
Quote from: sureshot;1130184I am so happy at the collapse of such SJW style media outlets because those that usually work for them tend to insult those who are not their target audience then wonder why the same people don't wan to give money to keep them from going under. It's like more than one SJW Marvel comic writer out of work lashing out at non-Sjws then wondering why no one buys their product and they can't get work.
See also - The rise and fall of Chuck Wendig.
Quote from: sureshot;1130184At this point I can't see Biden winning.
Biden can absolutely win. His handlers have the system rigged.
When Trump won, Silicon Valley execs promised 2016 would not happen again. In 2020, Trump is up against the broadcast media, social media and the Democrat voter fraud machine, and now they're trying to push "mail in voting" in the name of CoronaChan. Mail in voting sounds so easy and safe, why would anybody oppose it? Because magically boxes of votes from certain zip codes will vanish.
I'd argue Trump has a FAR tougher fight in 2020....and the blue state governors will sacrifice their state economies to ensure there is no chance of any national economic rally before November.
I am not saying it will be an easy win for Trump. Barring electoral fraud and a rigged system Biden just can't hold his own against Trump imo.
Quote from: jhkim;1130073very left-leaning but also high income -- like employees at Google or Facebook, for example.
Ahhh yes, the wealthy liberals who want "the government" to help all those pathetic poor people but won't open their own pockets. Also most of the rubes who work at Google and Facebook don't even vote. They spend most of their time bitching about stuff but can't bothered to leave the house to cast a ballot. I know all about them...
Is this a Chaosium employee supporting White Supremacists or Anitfa looters and arsonists.
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Gagarth! Aren't you paying attention?
White Supremacist Trump supporters did all the looting and rioting, then escaped into the night like ninjas.
Innocent Anifa and BLM supporters were arrested by the Evil Police while they were peacefully protesting because they are angelic beings.
Thus, all truly good people can show their goodness by paying their bail money.
So Gagarth? Are you a good person? If so, pony up some cash!
Wonder if that Chaosium turd would care to help rebuild Uncle Hugo's and Uncle Edgar's.
The Roll20 streamers have cancelled their streams tonight. I would not be surprised if they (and a large number of the Roll20 staff based on their tweets) are planning to do some looting and burning IRL.
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Kumbaya, My Lord, Kumbaya
Quote from: Shasarak;1131948Kumbaya, My Lord, Kumbaya
People who blather about 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are always surprised when Lord Humongous or Negan shows up to take half (or all) of their shit.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132067People who blather about 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are always surprised when Lord Humongous or Negan shows up to take half (or all) of their shit.
Personally, I'd welcome barbarism. Too many weak-minded and ineffectual people around who survive solely due to the fact that modern Western society has no punishment for failure.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132067People who blather about 'abolish the police' and 'ACAB' are always surprised when Lord Humongous or Negan shows up to take half (or all) of their shit.
i am also surprised. it is easier just to enroll in the force then to go on your own.
Quote from: Brad;1132083Personally, I'd welcome barbarism. Too many weak-minded and ineffectual people around who survive solely due to the fact that modern Western society has no punishment for failure.
you understand that tyler is figment of your imagination?
Quote from: ostap bender;1132087you understand that tyler is figment of your imagination?
Go back to reddit; they might appreciate your SJW interjections.
Quote from: Brad;1132083Personally, I'd welcome barbarism. Too many weak-minded and ineffectual people around who survive solely due to the fact that modern Western society has no punishment for failure.
A personal observation:
Civilization is a state of dynamic tension between barbarism and decadence. Any successful purge of one produces a collapse into the other - and the collapse of civilization itself.
Where we are now is rapid oscillation between the two, which is generating destructive resonances in the fabric of society. Both extremes have to be reigned in, or else the resonances will rip society apart - and civilization will fall.
Quote from: RandyB;1132094A personal observation:
Civilization is a state of dynamic tension between barbarism and decadence. Any successful purge of one produces a collapse into the other - and the collapse of civilization itself.
Where we are now is rapid oscillation between the two, which is generating destructive resonances in the fabric of society. Both extremes have to be reigned in, or else the resonances will rip society apart - and civilization will fall.
I think this is valid, but given the circumstances I think a purging is in order to clean up the gene pool. I don't particularly care for the way things are going...people are way too dependent on others for everything.
Quote from: Brad;1132098I think this is valid, but given the circumstances I think a purging is in order to clean up the gene pool. I don't particularly care for the way things are going...people are way too dependent on others for everything.
You are observing the high decadence side. The high barbarism side is rioting. And it is entirely possible that the oscillations cannot be dampened. If so, you'll get that purge.
people using sjw as a moniker have a place in hell regardless of their political affiliation. you know with "butchers of language" and "those who failed to think when they had opportunity".
Quote from: Brad;1132098I think this is valid, but given the circumstances I think a purging is in order to clean up the gene pool. I don't particularly care for the way things are going...people are way too dependent on others for everything.
wow, hanibbal thoreau. bullshit.
Quote from: RandyB;1132111You are observing the high decadence side. The high barbarism side is rioting. And it is entirely possible that the oscillations cannot be dampened. If so, you'll get that purge.
So who is going to play the fiddle, that's my question.
Quote from: ostap bender;1132118wow, hanibbal thoreau. bullshit.
At least spell Hannibal correctly, rube.
Quote from: Brad;1132122So who is going to play the fiddle, that's my question.
At least spell Hannibal correctly, rube.
i did. you are just thinking of the wrong guy.
Quote from: ostap bender;1132125i did. you are just thinking of the wrong guy.
And what guy is that, pray tell?
Quote from: Brad;1132146And what guy is that, pray tell?
your cousin. the one from bayou. he is good guy. you know him?
Quote from: ostap bender;1132151your cousin. the one from bayou. he is good guy. you know him?
Okay, so basically you made a stupid joke, misspelled a name, and are pretending I'm actually retarded for not understanding what the fuck you're talking about. Bad troll is bad.
Quote from: Brad;1132152Okay, so basically you made a stupid joke, misspelled a name, and are pretending I'm actually retarded for not understanding what the fuck you're talking about. Bad troll is bad.
no joke was cool. i misspelled the name and then made another joke. you should check your humour-sense.
please don't let this interaction derail that magnificent thought-wreck about gene pool purging. i am off to eat some blood sausage.
Everyone, everywhere knows, there is no genetic parameters to people. Anyone who really wants to can be a physicist for NASA, or a star inside line backer in the NFL. Right?
Quote from: oggsmash;1132465Everyone, everywhere knows, there is no genetic parameters to people. Anyone who really wants to can be a physicist for NASA, or a star inside line backer in the NFL. Right?
Because otherwise we don't have equality and that's unfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair!
You know, I credit RPGs with making me immune to that line of bullshit. I love it when I start comparing it to D&D, and telling people, 'Look, you only rolled an 8 on Strength, even with levels you're probably not going to build yourself up to that NFL linebacker prestige class. Try to play to your strengths, not your weaknesses.'
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1132551You know, I credit RPGs with making me immune to that line of bullshit. I love it when I start comparing it to D&D, and telling people, 'Look, you only rolled an 8 on Strength, even with levels you're probably not going to build yourself up to that NFL linebacker prestige class. Try to play to your strengths, not your weaknesses.'
That's a bit different in old school D&D, where a S 9 fighter is perfectly viable. In AD&D, you had to roll really, really well to get a strength bonus (16+) so sans cheating it was uncommon -- the biggest effect was generally encumbrance, where every point mattered when it came to wearing heavier armor. And even in B/X not all fighters will have S 13 or higher because 3d6 in order is a harsh taskmaster. But gauntlets of ogre power are fairly common, so you'll eventually be as strong as humanly possible.
Quote from: ostap bender;1132117people using sjw as a moniker have a place in hell regardless of their political affiliation. you know with "butchers of language" and "those who failed to think when they had opportunity".
SJW is what SJWs call themselves. If SJW was a term only used by their detractors, you would have a point. The apparent issue is SJWs only want their chosen title to be used as an holy honorific acknowledging their superior virtue. Too bad. They don't deserve the courtesy of typing out "utterly worthless Leftist garbage" every time they get mentioned.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1132616SJW is what SJWs call themselves. If SJW was a term only used by their detractors, you would have a point. The apparent issue is SJWs only want their chosen title to be used as an holy honorific acknowledging their superior virtue. Too bad. They don't deserve the courtesy of typing out "utterly worthless Leftist garbage" every time they get mentioned.
Yep, the moniker was invented by them to refer to themselves, we just used it in an ironic way and it turned into a derogatory term to describe them because they are such massively YUGE POS!
Now please stop feeding the troll? It's not even good at trolling making interacting with it boring!
Quote from: Pat;1132569That's a bit different in old school D&D, where a S 9 fighter is perfectly viable. In AD&D, you had to roll really, really well to get a strength bonus (16+) so sans cheating it was uncommon -- the biggest effect was generally encumbrance, where every point mattered when it came to wearing heavier armor. And even in B/X not all fighters will have S 13 or higher because 3d6 in order is a harsh taskmaster. But gauntlets of ogre power are fairly common, so you'll eventually be as strong as humanly possible.
So what you seem to be implying, is it takes magical gear and ability to truly achieve equity and equal outcomes? We always used the roll 7 attributes and assign as you choose. I never, ever saw anyone make a st 9 fighter hoping for gauntlets. In DCC, they have the level zero chars, which is sort of interesting, if you live through the funnel, no one with a 16 int, and a 12 st ever seems to choose warrior. Though magic is much more rare there as well.
Quote from: oggsmash;1132776So what you seem to be implying, is it takes magical gear and ability to truly achieve equity and equal outcomes? We always used the roll 7 attributes and assign as you choose. I never, ever saw anyone make a st 9 fighter hoping for gauntlets. In DCC, they have the level zero chars, which is sort of interesting, if you live through the funnel, no one with a 16 int, and a 12 st ever seems to choose warrior. Though magic is much more rare there as well.
Rolling 4d6 significantly changes things. So does assigning any roll to any ability. So does all subtle fudging you see when the players and the DM have certain standards about what's a viable character, and allow rerolls or other adjustments until all characters meet that standard. Try 3d6 in order some time, it creates a very different dynamic.
And nobody "hopes" for gauntlets. You still have to play the S 9 fighter for a number of levels, and there's no guarantee. The point is a S 9 character is viable in old school D&D, as long as you're not running a game with inflated stats where you expect every fighter to have a 16 or higher in their prime requisite. And that characters tend to become defined by a lot more than their initial stat roll, as they level up. So while there's a good chance you'll end up with gauntlets by mid-levels, which will make that strength deficiency null and void, you might end up with a helm of brilliance, or a portable hole, or something else you can use to creatively solve problems. Or nothing special, and you have to survive on your wits and let someone else mete out the damage.
Quote from: Pat;1132783Rolling 4d6 significantly changes things. So does assigning any roll to any ability. So does all subtle fudging you see when the players and the DM have certain standards about what's a viable character, and allow rerolls or other adjustments until all characters meet that standard. Try 3d6 in order some time, it creates a very different dynamic.
And nobody "hopes" for gauntlets. You still have to play the S 9 fighter for a number of levels, and there's no guarantee. The point is a S 9 character is viable in old school D&D, as long as you're not running a game with inflated stats where you expect every fighter to have a 16 or higher in their prime requisite. And that characters tend to become defined by a lot more than their initial stat roll, as they level up. So while there's a good chance you'll end up with gauntlets by mid-levels, which will make that strength deficiency null and void, you might end up with a helm of brilliance, or a portable hole, or something else you can use to creatively solve problems. Or nothing special, and you have to survive on your wits and let someone else mete out the damage.
I can see your point, It doesnt change I have never once seen a fighter in old D&D with a 9 st. I have seen 12 and 14 (back when they were no stat bonus). How can a 9 St fighter even wear armor and carry basic arms under the 1st edition rules I do not quite get. Viable....sure if you avoid combat alot.
Quote from: oggsmash;1132789I can see your point, It doesnt change I have never once seen a fighter in old D&D with a 9 st. I have seen 12 and 14 (back when they were no stat bonus). How can a 9 St fighter even wear armor and carry basic arms under the 1st edition rules I do not quite get. Viable....sure if you avoid combat alot.
On the other hand, Strength doesn't affect your carrying capacity in Basic D&D. That's why I was specific it's a thing in AD&D. And then much less of a thing, because magic armor weighs half as much.
Back in the day, the way we played was that the randomly rolled stats guided which class you were, which meant that Str 9 fighters were indeed rare. ISTR we allowed swap of 2 stats if someone was desperate for a particular class, but only if there was no one running that class already - so another thing that would limit 9 STR fighters.
I agree that 9 strength would limit your armour options (encumberance-wise) and I don't think I would ever run one if I could avoid it.
Back in high school, I ditched AD&D for B/X because I really enjoyed 3D6 down the line, but it's beyond obvious that players love bonuses. Having a +1 bonus with a 13-15 stat and +2 at 16-17 was all my tables needed to feel good about using random chargen. We had plenty of STR +0 fighters and dwarves because +1 weapons were pretty easy to find.
Upper East Side moms Facebook group implodes after intense diversity fight
https://nypost.com/2020/06/06/nyc-moms-facebook-group-implodes-after-intense-diversity-fight/
Karen on Karen slaughter!!!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1132875Karen on Karen slaughter!!!
Karenageddon!
May the most concerned Karen win.
Black Lives Matter Plaza - Free Map Set
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8796251/black-lives-matter-plaza-free-map-set
Quote from: Pat;1132802On the other hand, Strength doesn't affect your carrying capacity in Basic D&D. That's why I was specific it's a thing in AD&D. And then much less of a thing, because magic armor weighs half as much.
I was talking AD&D its what I started with and stayed with in '81. I can agree about the magic armor, but I also do not remember getting magic armor till I was 5th level (That plus one banded mail was awesome) and that was a long haul in 1st edition as a ranger. Because something can be done, does not always it should be done.
Quote from: Gagarth;1132936Black Lives Matter Plaza - Free Map Set
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/8796251/black-lives-matter-plaza-free-map-set
Do the "peaceful protesters" get extra XP when they maim or kill a black cop?
How many gold pieces do they need to loot to level up as Clerics of Saint George?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1133061How many gold pieces do they need to loot to level up as Clerics of Saint George?
Too late, I saw a video of some cops washing the feet of a black guy, so he is basically Jesus already.
Quote from: Shasarak;1133078Too late, I saw a video of some cops washing the feet of a black guy, so he is basically Jesus already.
Yeah that was down the road from me. Borders a city (raleigh) that had every downtown storefront broken/destroyed. I guess bending the knee and washing feet beats dealing with a shit load of broken glass. Of course Cary is pretty much all White and Asian.
In defense of the protesters of peace who busted everything up, maybe they were sick of all the hipsters gentrifying downtown Raleigh at an alarming rate the past 15 years.
Wizards of the Coast go full retard. The New Inquisition marches on.
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Interesting that one of the demands coming out of the CHAZ is "race segregated spaces." So progressives, antifa, and BLM are pro-Jim Crow apparently.
EDIT: See my post below. I got got by hoaxsters.
Quote from: KingCheops;1133852Interesting that one of the demands coming out of the CHAZ is "race segregated spaces." So progressives, antifa, and BLM are pro-Jim Crow apparently.
Surely you are joking. SURELY.
No looks like I might have fallen for a right-wing hoax. I was sure there was a photo going around on Twitter last night but I can't find it. Going through the list of demands on Medium:
https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47 (https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47)
I don't see it in there. Sorry everyone! False alarm.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1133061Do the "peaceful protesters" get extra XP when they maim or kill a black cop?
How many gold pieces do they need to loot to level up as Clerics of Saint George?
looks like they have a monty haul GM, because they leveled up enough to get that stronghold together pretty darned fast.
Quote from: KingCheops;1133856No looks like I might have fallen for a right-wing hoax. I was sure there was a photo going around on Twitter last night but I can't find it. Going through the list of demands on Medium:
https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47 (https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47)
I don't see it in there. Sorry everyone! False alarm.
Well, since they only have about a decade demanding "safe" segregated spaces, I don't think you should feel too bad about falling for this. (If it was really a hoax and not an instance where they managed to erase the evidence before someone archived it.)
Quote from: KingCheops;1133856No looks like I might have fallen for a right-wing hoax. I was sure there was a photo going around on Twitter last night but I can't find it. Going through the list of demands on Medium:
https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47 (https://medium.com/@seattleblmanon3/the-demands-of-the-collective-black-voices-at-free-capitol-hill-to-the-government-of-seattle-ddaee51d3e47)
I don't see it in there. Sorry everyone! False alarm.
I think it was probably a reference to item #1 under the
Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call "Health and Human Services." grouping...take that demand to its logical conclusion.
Is the list of demands on Medium actually real? I've been wondering if that entire document is an elaborate troll.
It seems too coherent for this bunch of losers.
Doesn't seem to be much more than cut & paste of standard progressive talking points, with some random juxtapositions that make it look like it was put together by a committee.
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So he wants what? To be paid the same as say Pundit, Grim, Venger, Maximum Mike? With zero experience? Fuck that.
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"Gamer Therapist"?
I want to see some credentials.
Quote from: jeff37923;1134102"Gamer Therapist"?
I want to see some credentials.
Perhaps he was a playtester for a Gamer: The Rapist LARP (coming soon from Onyx Path).
Quote from: HappyDaze;1134103Perhaps he was a playtester for a Gamer: The Rapist LARP (coming soon from Onyx Path).
https://youtu.be/hElOag-1a0k
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Very brave of them.
Quote from: jeff37923;1134102"Gamer Therapist"?
I want to see some credentials.
I guess you missed where he made his pronouns clear beside his name?
Quote from: oggsmash;1134247I guess you missed where he made his pronouns clear beside his name?
No, I caught that. If he is credentialed, I can see that being needed with some clients.
Quote from: jeff37923;1134262No, I caught that. If he is credentialed, I can see that being needed with some clients.
nah, those are his credentials for his clients, as well as advertising. I have to admit, genius.
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You know they basically shat on the creator of that cartoon as he said Spongebob is asexual. Mostly because he is a sponge... Where is Alex Jones when you need him? We can forget about the frogs because they are turning the sponges gay.
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This will probably look something like the British Film Institute requirements. I am sure we will see this sort of thing appear in the RPG creater Code of Conduct that is being touted very shortly.
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This will probably look something like the British Film Institute requirements. I am sure we will see this sort of thing appear in the RPG creater Code of Conduct that is being touted very shortly.
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Welp, so much for historically accurate period pieces, then.
I wonder how low do the Oscar ratings have to get for the TV to stop televising them?
Because this nonsense will send them plummeting.
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LOL. Never listen to Gamer The Rapist.
Also, WTF is wrong with these people!!! Why don't these fuckwits believe non-white authors can compete with white authors in the marketplace of ideas???
Yet again, we must heed the words of Malcolm (not Talcum) X. Beware the white liberal.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1134568I wonder how low do the Oscar ratings have to get for the TV to stop televising them?
Because this nonsense will send them plummeting.
They already were in freefall. Everytime these awards shows get political and and the actors are told not to get too political which they ignore the ratings tank. I stop watching them because most movies winning awards I would never watch anyway. Not to mention I have better things to do with my time then see a bunch of rich privileged actors tell me what to say and how to live.
Quote from: sureshot;1134597They already were in freefall. Everytime these awards shows get political and and the actors are told not to get too political which they ignore the ratings tank. I stop watching them because most movies winning awards I would never watch anyway. Not to mention I have better things to do with my time then see a bunch of rich privileged actors tell me what to say and how to live.
I think South park nailed the genre of oscar worthy movies. Or movies about actors and the trials and tribulations of being actors. I suspect the next one will be about the casting couch horror stories of a trans female lesbian trying to make it in hollywood.
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Chaosium wants to end fascism? I'll let Churchill know help is on the way!
And how delightful that Google and so many other companies are going to make hiring, advertising, promotion and spending decisions based solely on SKIN COLOR and call that equality!
Maybe I am wrong - and PLEASE do debate me on this - but I doubt we'll hear much about all these honky-honky liberal outcries of "systemic racism and oppression" after the election.
Or maybe this is really the SJW's grand societal changing moment where it's SKIN COLOR UBER ALLES!!! into our collective future?
Thoughts?
Quote from: Spinachcat;1134934Chaosium wants to end fascism? I'll let Churchill know help is on the way!
And how delightful that Google and so many other companies are going to make hiring, advertising, promotion and spending decisions based solely on SKIN COLOR and call that equality!
Maybe I am wrong - and PLEASE do debate me on this - but I doubt we'll hear much about all these honky-honky liberal outcries of "systemic racism and oppression" after the election.
Or maybe this is really the SJW's grand societal changing moment where it's SKIN COLOR UBER ALLES!!! into our collective future?
Thoughts?
If they win it will be very much skin color uber alles, at least for a while, until their corporate overlords have enough power to throw them head first into the gulags for being too disruptive of business.
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So what, we should be bending the knee and asking the Xenomorphs for forgiveness? Good grief...
Quote from: The Spaniard;1135051So what, we should be bending the knee and asking the Xenomorphs for forgiveness? Good grief...
The outdated attitude and cultural depictions are the idea that the women aren't victims and in need of constant pandering and condescension.
Good grief indeed.
"May cause offense"???
What are these morons referring to?
How did a movie with female space marines, led by the most badass female hero in cinematic history, with beloved characters "of color" and a storyline where all the tough men must be saved by the female hero is NOW problematic???
What in the actual fuck?
ONLY the giant asteroid can save us! Pray for the giant asteroid!!!
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135119"May cause offense"???
What are these morons referring to?
How did a movie with female space marines, led by the most badass female hero in cinematic history, with beloved characters "of color" and a storyline where all the tough men must be saved by the female hero is NOW problematic???
What in the actual fuck?
ONLY the giant asteroid can save us! Pray for the giant asteroid!!!
There are also strong male characters in the film. That's the offensive part. All males must be made weak so all females can claim to be strong.
This is why Hollywood is dying.
I think there's a bit of envy there as well. A lot of writers aren't competent to tie their own shoelaces. How do we know Ellen Ripley is badass? Because the movies SHOWS it. It doesn't try to tell us. When Ripley says, 'I can take care of myself', Hicks quips, 'Yeah, I noticed.' -- and it's not mockery or a dumb come-on.
But the current crop of writers don't know how to 'show, don't tell'. They'll tell you ALL about how wise and brave and stunning their Mary Sue character is, but not only will they not show it, their incompetence at writing causes it to go in the reverse direction.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135130I think there's a bit of envy there as well. A lot of writers aren't competent to tie their own shoelaces. How do we know Ellen Ripley is badass? Because the movies SHOWS it. It doesn't try to tell us. When Ripley says, 'I can take care of myself', Hicks quips, 'Yeah, I noticed.' -- and it's not mockery or a dumb come-on.
But the current crop of writers don't know how to 'show, don't tell'. They'll tell you ALL about how wise and brave and stunning their Mary Sue character is, but not only will they not show it, their incompetence at writing causes it to go in the reverse direction.
Like how I know within 1 minute Vazquez is a bad ass and can carry her weight in this unit of marines? Maybe the outdated ideas are because of Hudson asking her if she has ever been mistaken for a man and her immediate comeback of no, have you? is problematic.
And we know Ripley has become a badass over a long process we saw. We know vazquez is because inside a minute, we see she is respected, best buddies with the roughest looking member of the crew, and can break balls properly.
The reason Aliens is "problematic" is because a normal male might actually want to fuck Ripley or Vasquez.
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I agree. Portraying an empowered woman in a leading role DECADES before our saviors arrived to demand "equal" rEpReSeNtAtIoN in film and other media would certainly cause "offense" to some today.
Putting a warning label like that on Aliens is absolutely ludicrous. If I had to bet, I'd wager it's because of the marines' language and the inside joke about illegal aliens and Vasquez.
Quote from: VisionStorm;1135149I agree. Portraying an empowered woman in a leading role DECADES before our saviors arrived to demand "equal" rEpReSeNtAtIoN in film and other media would certainly cause "offense" to some today.
Yeah, the warning label seems deceptive to me.
On the other hand, there were absolutely people pushing for equal representation in film back in 1986. Ripley was an oddity as an empowered woman at the time -- which is largely because her original part wasn't written for a woman. The script for Alien didn't specify gender for any of the crew, so it was a twist of Ridley Scott and casting director Mary Selway to have her be a woman. Her character exists precisely because some people pushed for equal representation.
As a side note, the Bechdel test originates in 1985 a year prior to Aliens release -- and the comic specifically cited Alien (1979) as the last movie that passed. I find it curiously fitting that Bechdel highlighted Selway's casting of Ripley in her comic "Dykes to Watch Out For" -- and later in life, Selway fell in love with a woman with whom she lived her last 12 years.
Times have changed, for sure, but characters like Ripley exist because an earlier generation pushed for empowered women.
Quote from: jhkim;1135234Yeah, the warning label seems deceptive to me.
On the other hand, there were absolutely people pushing for equal representation in film back in 1986. Ripley was an oddity as an empowered woman at the time -- which is largely because her original part wasn't written for a woman. The script for Alien didn't specify gender for any of the crew, so it was a twist of Ridley Scott and casting director Mary Selway to have her be a woman. Her character exists precisely because some people pushed for equal representation.
As a side note, the Bechdel test originates in 1985 a year prior to Aliens release -- and the comic specifically cited Alien (1979) as the last movie that passed. I find it curiously fitting that Bechdel highlighted Selway's casting of Ripley in her comic "Dykes to Watch Out For" -- and later in life, Selway fell in love with a woman with whom she lived her last 12 years.
Times have changed, for sure, but characters like Ripley exist because an earlier generation pushed for empowered women.
Yeah, because Wonder Woman, The Bionic Woman among others didn't exist before Aliens oh wait, yes they fucking did!
And yet women in general prefer romcoms and the same stuff they have always liked as opposed to action films, which is why Aliens and Ripley are iconic among men but feminists haven't watched it.
Every generation of men think they're the first to care about women. All those other men in the past were beasts.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135242Yeah, because Wonder Woman, The Bionic Woman among others didn't exist before Aliens oh wait, yes they fucking did!
And yet women in general prefer romcoms and the same stuff they have always liked as opposed to action films, which is why Aliens and Ripley are iconic among men but feminists haven't watched it.
I'd say that Ripley is iconic among feminists. I gave the specific example of how she's cited in the definition of the Bechdel Test.
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All the feminists I know are quite positive about Ripley.
There were plenty of "empowered women" in film long before Alien. Katherine Hepburn made an entire career playing strong female characters, as did several other actresses of her time.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135262There were plenty of "empowered women" in film long before Alien. Katherine Hepburn made an entire career playing strong female characters, as did several other actresses of her time.
Greetings!
Hey there my friend! Oh, fuck yeah there were *empowered* women before Aliens. How about Angie Dickenson, in the popular TV series "Policewoman" from the early 1970's. Ground-breaking series. There were more as well. A black woman detective, had a show as I recall as well.
Before that, there was Maureen O'Hara. She always played strong, dynamic characters. I guess she doesn't count for some reason either though. *Laughing*
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: jhkim;1135254I'd say that Ripley is iconic among feminists. I gave the specific example of how she's cited in the definition of the Bechdel Test.
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All the feminists I know are quite positive about Ripley.
Your anecdotal evidence is trumped by the fact that, prominent feminists media critics, writing for prominent main stream leftist publications have acknowledged to never watching it.
WOC fires lesbian from Job as Artist after She was Caught Following Mike Cernovich, Jack Posobiec and Infowars on Twitter. How predictable progressive of them...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/lesbian-fired-job-artist-caught-following-mike-cernovich-jack-posobiec-infowars-twitter/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily
Now that one of the founders of BLM is on video saying she and another high rank (or co founder) is a trained marxist......I think it is pretty important to know how marxists operate. Cancel culture is absolutely central to their methods of operation. It is Alinsky 101, and "community organizer" has always been smoke screens for marxists. I guess they feel comfortable now throwing out that stinky shit bird's failed ideology yet again. I just do not get it, if a person says outright they are a nazi, they would be removed from public life for the most part. But say you are a marxist, which has done FAR greater damage to humans and killed more people, and ah its just a label....
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135298Your anecdotal evidence is trumped by the fact that, prominent feminists media critics, writing for prominent main stream leftist publications have acknowledged to never watching it.
Your claim was a blanket statement that "feminists haven't watched it" (Aliens) -- apparently based on your own anecdotal evidence from a few media critics. I don't claim that 100% of feminists have watched it. I claim that it is widely watched and well-regarded among feminists, even if some haven't seen it and some may disagree. Some further quotes on this:
The Alien franchise is renowned in feminist film circle as the first blockbuster series of the era to deal with gender and sexual politics. Ellen Ripley, as performed by Sigourney Weaver, was the first iconic female action hero.https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdn4d/alien-is-sci-fi-horrors-most-feminist-movie-franchise
Strip away the gothic, space-bound horror and Alien is about a rational woman fighting to be heard in an irrational, male-dominated world. Yet look beyond Sigourney Weaver's iconic performance as Ellen Ripley and you'll notice that the film has far more complex things to say about gender.Source: https://lwlies.com/articles/alien-gender-politics-ellen-ripley-joan-lambert/
Most critiques, academic and otherwise, ultimately conclude that Alien is a feminist film because of its representation of the workplace as a home to equality and a place where traditional gender roles have been obliterated.Source: http://reel3.com/reassessing-alien-sexuality-and-the-anxieties-of-men/
Quote from: jhkim;1135328Your claim was a blanket statement that "feminists haven't watched it" (Aliens) -- apparently based on your own anecdotal evidence from a few media critics. I don't claim that 100% of feminists have watched it. I claim that it is widely watched and well-regarded among feminists, even if some haven't seen it and some may disagree. Some further quotes on this:
The Alien franchise is renowned in feminist film circle as the first blockbuster series of the era to deal with gender and sexual politics. Ellen Ripley, as performed by Sigourney Weaver, was the first iconic female action hero.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdn4d/alien-is-sci-fi-horrors-most-feminist-movie-franchise
Strip away the gothic, space-bound horror and Alien is about a rational woman fighting to be heard in an irrational, male-dominated world. Yet look beyond Sigourney Weaver's iconic performance as Ellen Ripley and you'll notice that the film has far more complex things to say about gender.
Source: https://lwlies.com/articles/alien-gender-politics-ellen-ripley-joan-lambert/
Most critiques, academic and otherwise, ultimately conclude that Alien is a feminist film because of its representation of the workplace as a home to equality and a place where traditional gender roles have been obliterated.
Source: http://reel3.com/reassessing-alien-sexuality-and-the-anxieties-of-men/
LOL, no prejudice there eh?
The xenomorphs are a standing for men? even if all the xenomorphs we've seen are female? Like in most insects.
jhkim, your ideology has rotten your brain, you need to detox assap.
I'm pretty sure the warning signifiers on Aliens had something to do with gayness somehow (As part of pride month or something). I think feminists are fundamentally a hateful bunch, but I think few if any can find any can find distaste in it.
Maybe Trans Activists believe it ties in the role of female to mother too much. How it emphasizes the mammalian female's dominance over the reptilian female. I could see some complaint that it supports TURFS.
But I doubt that is the reason why it receives a warning label.
Oh look, Jhkim has never actually read a single pulp story in his life. Why am I not surprised...
The SJW freaks turning against Aliens should teach Hollywood (and everyone else) an important lesson. There is NO way to appease the freak mob. Zero. If that movie isn't female empowerment enough for them, nothing ever will be. It tells us that unless something is 100% aligned with current wokeness, it must be censored.
It's like the JK Rowling nonsense. It's not enough that a woman is the world's richest author whose big character Hermoine was tough, smart and indispensable to the novels. Even JK must kneel when told to kneel.
I wonder what will happen when the first company says NO to the cancel culture outcries. When that company says FUCK OFF and stands without apology and refuses to bend regardless of the online cries.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135562I wonder what will happen when the first company says NO to the cancel culture outcries. When that company says FUCK OFF and stands without apology and refuses to bend regardless of the online cries.
I wager its the enemy within. SJWs in the company or HR that would undermine it.
jhkim might have a point - when I impregnated my wife, my kids exploded out of her exactly like in Aliens.
There is a special routine of mental gymnastics one has to go through to elevate their self-inflicted issues to the point where conclusions like this can be drawn as metaphor.
It's a cigar. Just a cigar.
Quote from: tenbones;1135640jhkim might have a point - when I impregnated my wife, my kids exploded out of her exactly like in Aliens.
There is a special routine of mental gymnastics one has to go through to elevate their self-inflicted issues to the point where conclusions like this can be drawn as metaphor.
It's a cigar. Just a cigar.
It's NEVER just a cigar. The moment they relent (at least in their minds), all their momentum dissipates.
Keep in mind, this isn't a political pissing match. In their heads, it's an apocalyptic battle between good and evil, and there can be no reasoning with the 'evil' side.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1135651It's NEVER just a cigar. The moment they relent (at least in their minds), all their momentum dissipates.
Keep in mind, this isn't a political pissing match. In their heads, it's an apocalyptic battle between good and evil, and there can be no reasoning with the 'evil' side.
The urge to do a d20 Modern game of this using alignment is ... well, really not all that strong for a variety of reasons. The idea does amuse me, though. On one axis, you've got Statist, Neutral, Individual. On the other, you've got maybe Anarchist, Neutral, Tradition? That makes the SJW's into Statist Anarchist. I know that makes no sense, but don't blame me--i didn't invent their philosophy. :D
Quote from: tenbones;1135640jhkim might have a point - when I impregnated my wife, my kids exploded out of her exactly like in Aliens.
There is a special routine of mental gymnastics one has to go through to elevate their self-inflicted issues to the point where conclusions like this can be drawn as metaphor.
So let me get the argument here:
GeekyBugle: "Feminists haven't watched Aliens"
jhkim:
tenbones: jhkim is stupid because he believes all feminist interpretations of Aliens
The mental gymnastics here is how you're twisting what I say so that I'm wrong regardless of what I say. If I hadn't cited feminist interpretations of Aliens, then I'd be wrong because feminists clearly hadn't watched Aliens. But if I do cite them, then I'm wrong because I'm a feminist and feminists are wrong.
Quote from: jhkim;1135655The mental gymnastics here is how you're twisting what I say so that I'm wrong regardless of what I say. If I hadn't cited feminist interpretations of Aliens, then I'd be wrong because feminists clearly hadn't watched Aliens. But if I do cite them, then I'm wrong because I'm a feminist and feminists are wrong.
Now you're getting it...
Quote from: jhkim;1135655The mental gymnastics here is how you're twisting what I say so that I'm wrong regardless of what I say.
Il agree with you here. I think at least 70% of feminists like Aliens, and people are just playing unfair word games with you. And regardless of opposing feminists I'm not going to stand for inaccuracy just because 'its a good target'.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1135675Il agree with you here. I think at least 70% of feminists like Aliens, and people are just playing unfair word games with you. And regardless of opposing feminists I'm not going to stand for inaccuracy just because 'its a good target'.
Thanks, Shrieking Banshee.
I'm sure there's plenty of stuff for us to disagree about in our actual positions. :-)
Male feminist....I think I saw some meme about that. Was funny, not funny enough to remember.
Quote from: jhkim;1135679I'm sure there's plenty of stuff for us to disagree about in our actual positions. :-)
Pretty much. Unlike some others, I don't find you to argue in bad faith. You don't coach your position in slime. And that I can fundamentally respect.
Quote from: jhkim;1135328Your claim was a blanket statement that "feminists haven't watched it" (Aliens) -- apparently based on your own anecdotal evidence from a few media critics. I don't claim that 100% of feminists have watched it. I claim that it is widely watched and well-regarded among feminists, even if some haven't seen it and some may disagree. Some further quotes on this:
The Alien franchise is renowned in feminist film circle as the first blockbuster series of the era to deal with gender and sexual politics. Ellen Ripley, as performed by Sigourney Weaver, was the first iconic female action hero.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvdn4d/alien-is-sci-fi-horrors-most-feminist-movie-franchise
Strip away the gothic, space-bound horror and Alien is about a rational woman fighting to be heard in an irrational, male-dominated world. Yet look beyond Sigourney Weaver's iconic performance as Ellen Ripley and you'll notice that the film has far more complex things to say about gender.
Source: https://lwlies.com/articles/alien-gender-politics-ellen-ripley-joan-lambert/
Most critiques, academic and otherwise, ultimately conclude that Alien is a feminist film because of its representation of the workplace as a home to equality and a place where traditional gender roles have been obliterated.
Source: http://reel3.com/reassessing-alien-sexuality-and-the-anxieties-of-men/
This whole argument aside. Notice how petty and inane those articles are.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1135262There were plenty of "empowered women" in film long before Alien. Katherine Hepburn made an entire career playing strong female characters, as did several other actresses of her time.
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BLM and the gender-trender fucks can stay the fuck away from us and our pride flags.
They've got their own damn flags anyway.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1137057BLM and the tranny trender fucks can stay the fuck away from us and our pride flags.
They've got their own damn flags anyway.
After monopolizing rainbows on mass identity politics, don't you dare whine now they demand even further comformity. I have NO sympathy for you.
This movement was always going to become a clusterfuck, but that was fine while you where getting the slice of pie you wanted.
Play the collectivist game to get what you want, pay the collectivist toll.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137063After monopolizing rainbows on mass identity politics, don't you dare whine now they demand even further comformity. I have NO sympathy for you.
This movement was always going to become a clusterfuck, but that was fine while you where getting the slice of pie you wanted.
Play the collectivist game to get what you want, pay the collectivist toll.
I never played the collectivist game.
We just wanted to not get murdered and persecuted by Christians, Jews, and Muslims for merely existing because their deity thinks we're "degenerate"
The Bolsheviks and Maoists also murdered gays, bisexuals, and lesbians en masse too, you know....
Marxism is just secular Abrahamic traditionalism with "capitalism/imperialism" replacing Satan and "the proletariat" replacing "the faithful" and the State/Vanguard Party replacing Yahweh
The collectivists hate us just as much as the Yahweh cultist conservatives do
The only flag I want to honor is the American flag, but if the world keeps pushing, its time to raise the skull and bones.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1137089I just wanted to not get murdered and persecuted by Christians, Jews, and Muslims for merely existing because their deity thinks we're "degenerate"
But thats the thing. Im left in a complete mindfuck because I would call gay culture degenerate weather it was gay or straight. How can you demand for the abolition of the base culture and the degredation of its values (even if you consider them invalid) even once they make adjustments for your sexuality and then get upset at them calling you a degenerate?
You get upset at being called a degenerate, but actively stand for all the values the evil Yahwehians call degenerate. So either say 'Yeah I seek to undermine your culture' or say 'No I don't stand to undermine your culture'. But don't do the former and expect special treatment for the latter.
Stand behind your beliefs and don't cower behind fake principles you don't support. Thats what I can't stand of SJWs the most. I respect the violent active degenerates more then I do the rats that pretend they stand for peace (but will never oppose voilence they agree with). Il take the BLM roiters over the cowardly professors that suggested they riot for decades.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137106But thats the thing. Im left in a complete mindfuck because I would call gay culture degenerate weather it was gay or straight. How can you demand for the abolition of the base culture and the degredation of its values (even if you consider them invalid) even once they make adjustments for your sexuality and then get upset at them calling you a degenerate?
You get upset at being called a degenerate, but actively stand for all the values the evil Yahwehians call degenerate. So either say 'Yeah I seek to undermine your culture' or say 'No I don't stand to undermine your culture'. But don't do the former and expect special treatment for the latter.
Stand behind your beliefs and don't cower behind fake principles you don't support. Thats what I can't stand of SJWs the most. I respect the violent active degenerates more then I do the rats that pretend they stand for peace (but will never oppose voilence they agree with). Il take the BLM roiters over the cowardly professors that suggested they riot for decades.
Look, I stand by my principles and actively oppose the SJW agenda AND the moral theocrat conservative agendas.
I think both should be actively opposed and "subverted" in all honesty.
But unfortunately, I'm trapped in the timeline where Julian the Philosopher failed to stop the fall of the West, so I have to assess the risks. Right now, the SJW Left are a far greater threat than the moral conservatives
It's not a binary choice between "SJW's" and "Yahwehists", I took a third option since both want me dead.
The only real difference is that the collectivists on the SJW Left view me more as a useful idiot in the here and now, as opposed to merely another degenerate to hang from a tree.
I'm not going to be a useful idiot and I'm not going to be a victim. Why must I pick either side if they both want to destroy me?
But there's also the issue that right now, the SJW's are FAR more dangerous and far more powerful. They are the clearly the bigger threat currently.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1137109Look, I stand by my principles and actively oppose the SJW agenda AND the moral theocrat conservative agendas.
I think both should be actively opposed and "subverted" in all honesty.
But unfortunately, I'm trapped in the timeline where Julian the Philosopher failed to stop the fall of the West, so I have to assess the risks. Right now, the SJW Left are a far greater threat than the moral conservatives
It's not a binary choice between "SJW's" and "Yahwehists", I took a third option since both want me dead.
The only real difference is that the collectivists on the SJW Left view me more as a useful idiot in the here and now, as opposed to merely another degenerate to hang from a tree.
I'm not going to be a useful idiot and I'm not going to be a victim. Why must I pick either side if they both want to destroy me?
But there's also the issue that right now, the SJW's are FAR more dangerous and far more powerful. They are the clearly the bigger threat currently.
Greetings!
Doc Sammy, really now. Conservative Christians--the vast majority do not *hate you* nor do they desire to kill you. My friend, you are not a martyr. There aren't vast Christian armies of Templars and Inquisitors just chomping at the bit to have you stretched out on the rack before the baying crowds, where you can then be ceremoniously burned at the stake. Come on, man. I get you have had some rejection, some ridicule and such from whoever Christians in your family, or some high-blood-pressure preacher down the road--but your persecution complex really is meaningless beyond your backyard.
Out in the wider world, Conservative Christians are not worried into a panic or frothing hostility at the thought that there is some bisexual pagan living with their parents on the backside of the Appalachians. There just aren't, Doc Sammy.
The SJW's will ruin you, though. They will seek to hunt you down, and beat you to death with a bike lock, or a skateboard. SJW's will make this country so hostile to you that you will never get a job, you will always be on welfare and foodstamps, and that you have no freedom of speech or freedom of association, or many other freedoms. For one, because you are not a brainwashed, Marxist idiot; and next, well, because you are *white*--and you are *male*. All of which is plenty of damning evidence for them to send you off to the gulag to work to death, and be properly "re-educated." Or just have you ripped apart in the streets by a BLM mob.
Conservative Christians, as a group, are not seething with hatred towards you, Doc Sammy, nor are they dreaming of plans to hunt you down, or otherwise oppress you in any way.
I am a Conservative Christian, Doc Sammy. I'm not the only Christian here, either. Probably a majority of the people here, on this board, Doc Sammy, are Conservative Christians of one flavour or another--and all of this time, I, and I know many others, have accepted you, befriended you, and sought to help you with good cheer, and genuine counsel at every opportunity.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK;1137124Greetings!
Doc Sammy, really now. Conservative Christians--the vast majority do not *hate you* nor do they desire to kill you. My friend, you are not a martyr. There aren't vast Christian armies of Templars and Inquisitors just chomping at the bit to have you stretched out on the rack before the baying crowds, where you can then be ceremoniously burned at the stake. Come on, man. I get you have had some rejection, some ridicule and such from whoever Christians in your family, or some high-blood-pressure preacher down the road--but your persecution complex really is meaningless beyond your backyard.
Out in the wider world, Conservative Christians are not worried into a panic or frothing hostility at the thought that there is some bisexual pagan living with their parents on the backside of the Appalachians. There just aren't, Doc Sammy.
The SJW's will ruin you, though. They will seek to hunt you down, and beat you to death with a bike lock, or a skateboard. SJW's will make this country so hostile to you that you will never get a job, you will always be on welfare and foodstamps, and that you have no freedom of speech or freedom of association, or many other freedoms. For one, because you are not a brainwashed, Marxist idiot; and next, well, because you are *white*--and you are *male*. All of which is plenty of damning evidence for them to send you off to the gulag to work to death, and be properly "re-educated." Or just have you ripped apart in the streets by a BLM mob.
Conservative Christians, as a group, are not seething with hatred towards you, Doc Sammy, nor are they dreaming of plans to hunt you down, or otherwise oppress you in any way.
I am a Conservative Christian, Doc Sammy. I'm not the only Christian here, either. Probably a majority of the people here, on this board, Doc Sammy, are Conservative Christians of one flavour or another--and all of this time, I, and I know many others, have accepted you, befriended you, and sought to help you with good cheer, and genuine counsel at every opportunity.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Fair point.
A lot has changed since the 90's, and you are absolutely correct that the SJW's are a dire threat to us all. I've been dealing with assholes online on an entirely different site who claim to be Conservative Christians and it's also got me on edge alongside the Antifa SJW lunacy.
I've gotten very emotional lately and I've been haunted by my past, and I'll admit that I've been paranoid overall. It's been scary, especially with all that's going on right here in my own town.
I'm sure you've seen the rumors about fireworks going off in major cities and how Antifa is going to use that for cover for serious violent attacks on July 4th. The fireworks rumors are true, they have been going off in Roanoke at night (and my far-left activist brother lives in the city of Roanoke proper and he gets dodgy when I ask him about the fireworks)
I'm worried and on edge, and I'll admit I've fallen for bait way too many times. I feel bad for overreacting to Shrieking Banshee earlier, but it really does feel like we might be approaching a major catastrophe and I know the Marxists are out for blood.
SHARK, you are one of the posters here I truly respect the most and I would like to apologize to you and anyone else I upset recently.
Maybe you should consider armed self defense, Doc Sammy.
If nothing else, putting holes in paper downrange might calm you down :)
Heck, I even know some folks who'd be happy to teach you the basics, regardless of which way you swing or whatnot.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1137141Maybe you should consider armed self defense, Doc Sammy.
If nothing else, putting holes in paper downrange might calm you down :)
Heck, I even know some folks who'd be happy to teach you the basics, regardless of which way you swing or whatnot.
I actually am saving up for a rifle, might have enough to get a Ruger 10/22 at the very least
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1137109Look, I stand by my principles and actively oppose the SJW agenda AND the moral theocrat conservative agendas.
I think both should be actively opposed and "subverted" in all honesty.
So don't complain about being called a degenerate. Im jewish and don't really care about what you do with yourself out of somekind of belief in your holiness or not.
This is more out of my disagreement with your expression of principles. Where you seem to want to denegrate and subvert principles of others but then don't want to face the consequences of doing so. I stand against your principles not out of any religous fervor, but because I find them largely misguided and warped by being not in a position to be practiced. Its easy to call for hardcore dominance higharchies with colonialism and slavery when your in a society without a monarchy and where you can't be enslaved.
And I find your persecution complex unfounded, as unfounded as I find the persecution complexes of worthless Jews living in the united states or in most places over the world.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137164So don't complain about being called a degenerate. Im jewish and don't really care about what you do with yourself out of somekind of belief in your holiness or not.
This is more out of my disagreement with your expression of principles. Where you seem to want to denegrate and subvert principles of others but then don't want to face the consequences of doing so. I stand against your principles not out of any religous fervor, but because I find them largely misguided and warped by being not in a position to be practiced. Its easy to call for hardcore dominance higharchies with colonialism and slavery when your in a society without a monarchy and where you can't be enslaved.
And I find your persecution complex unfounded, as unfounded as I find the persecution complexes of worthless Jews living in the united states or in most places over the world.
I'll admit, I've been more or less operating on an outdated mode of operation and tactics so to speak and I admit my desire to be edgy is done because I'm tired of pretentious SJW punks who see "edgy" as bad solely because it's "edgy" and not their neon-tinged Steven Universe-esque view of how culture ought to be.
But yeah, I'm going to try and keep calm and continue going for walks to help calm down and also to get in shape (I've seriously lost over twelve pounds so far this year because I've been eating a lot less, drinking a lot more water, and just walking regularly) and I'm still wondering if I should use the money I've got saved up for a Ruger 10/22 or wait a bit to save up some more for a Mossberg pump-action shotgun.
Really, if I do get a gun, I'm probably going to go for a rifle or a shotgun. I'm also going to see if there are any training & safety courses in this area. I'm also not opposed to getting a pistol depending on the price and model, and whether or not the courses available in my area are pistol-only or have courses for rifles.
Quote from: Doc Sammy;1137187I'll admit, I've been more or less operating on an outdated mode of operation and tactics so to speak and I admit my desire to be edgy is done because I'm tired of pretentious SJW punks who see "edgy" as bad solely because it's "edgy" and not their neon-tinged Steven Universe-esque view of how culture ought to be.
SJWs will never oppose edgy that supports their worldview. The Last of Us II is a great example of that. A thoroughly misanthropic nihilistic story that's as edgy as you can get. But its got the trans lady and it's saying 'Fuck you' to them evil nasty Christians. Also stuff like the Handmaiden's Tale where dem evil Christians taking over after an apocalypse. Game of Thrones: largely supported, and only called trashy edge when it's sexist'. Westworld: Edgy as fuck as long as 'Wormen of Corlor' fight the evil white man. The Joker would have been BELOVED as long as a woman, gay, or black, or Hispanic was the main protag.
Your style of edgy (Christians Bad, let's all have orgies with no consequences!) is largely supported and promoted by SJWs, which is largely promoted and supported by most media and educational and scientific outlets with any sort of cultural power. Your not even allowed to just personally disagree with their beliefs. You HAVE to buy into them with no space for wiggle-room. You don't wanna make a gay cake? Canceled. But you wanna make a documentary about Tolkien? We will CUT his religiosity because it's THAT incorrect. You generally got what you wanted, largely through their collective cultural effort. Their only caveat is you bend the knee to them.
But you wanna unseat them using edge tactics? You will find that your edge tactics only worked because the main culture tolerated them. And the SJWs are a much less tolerant cultural taskmaster. That's why I find your edginess so misguided.
QuoteReally, if I do get a gun, I'm probably going to go for a rifle or a shotgun.
I recommend a revolver. A gun is a big responsibility (worth having), with rules and maintenance that must be followed. Revolvers are simple, reliable, and effective. Less moving parts. Try going to an NRA meeting to understand its no joke.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1137106You get upset at being called a degenerate, but actively stand for all the values the evil Yahwehians call degenerate. So either say 'Yeah I seek to undermine your culture' or say 'No I don't stand to undermine your culture'. But don't do the former and expect special treatment for the latter.
Quote from: SHARK;1137124Conservative Christians, as a group, are not seething with hatred towards you, Doc Sammy, nor are they dreaming of plans to hunt you down, or otherwise oppress you in any way.
I am a Conservative Christian, Doc Sammy. I'm not the only Christian here, either. Probably a majority of the people here, on this board, Doc Sammy, are Conservative Christians of one flavour or another--and all of this time, I, and I know many others, have accepted you, befriended you, and sought to help you with good cheer, and genuine counsel at every opportunity.
For what it's worth, I'm a liberal Christian, Sammy, and my churches have always welcomed gay members. More broadly than personal experience, the landscape is generally changing as well -- more Christians have been accepting of gays over the past twenty years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/
Let see How the usual suspects defend this.
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Quote from: Gagarth;1138784Let see How the usual suspects defend this.
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I can think of no better way to divide the populace than to say one demographic has "internalized, systemic, inherent" hatred of another.
It's like watching them run into a wood chipper. You know it's not going to end well, but they can't be talked out of it.
As a person living very near Seattle, I can only hope to avoid most of this insanity.
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You can see the white fragility in her facial expression.
We need a double shot of diversity training here stat! Come on, people this is not a drill.
[video=youtube_share;XDkIMfTUDT8]https://youtu.be/XDkIMfTUDT8[/youtube]
Maybe they can do a crossover episode with impotent rage
[video=youtube_share;dcXoEd8IF0g]https://youtu.be/dcXoEd8IF0g[/youtube]
Quote from: jhkim;1137209For what it's worth, I'm a liberal Christian, Sammy, and my churches have always welcomed gay members. More broadly than personal experience, the landscape is generally changing as well -- more Christians have been accepting of gays over the past twenty years.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/18/most-u-s-christian-groups-grow-more-accepting-of-homosexuality/
I am somewhere between agnostic and atheist. I am curious, does your church consider homosexuality a sin? I know many churches are operated on the basis that everyone is a sinner, and sinning does not preclude going to or being a member of a church. Does your church consider it a sin?
Quote from: oggsmash;1138830I am somewhere between agnostic and atheist. I am curious, does your church consider homosexuality a sin? I know many churches are operated on the basis that everyone is a sinner, and sinning does not preclude going to or being a member of a church. Does your church consider it a sin?
Agnostic is a claim of knowledge, Atheist is a claim of faith, two different axis, you can be an Agnostic-Theist (as in you believe in a God but don't claim to know it exists).
Quote from: jhkimFor what it's worth, I'm a liberal Christian, Sammy, and my churches have always welcomed gay members. More broadly than personal experience, the landscape is generally changing as well -- more Christians have been accepting of gays over the past twenty years.
Quote from: oggsmash;1138830I am somewhere between agnostic and atheist. I am curious, does your church consider homosexuality a sin? I know many churches are operated on the basis that everyone is a sinner, and sinning does not preclude going to or being a member of a church. Does your church consider it a sin?
My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and we don't have any dogma about what is or isn't a sin. Members can have widely differing beliefs - we even have a number of atheist members at my church. However, we do have seven principles about how we behave as a community, and I think all of the UU churches are welcoming of homosexual members as well as ministers. The previous minister at my church is a lesbian, for example.
The church I grew up in was Presbyterian - which has some dogma, but the dogma is democratically decided among the congregations, and individual churches vary a lot. So while I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, our larger organization PC(USA) did overall consider homosexuality a sin -- but my church was one of the "More Light" coalition that specifically welcomed homosexual members as deacons and elders. As a kid, I first learned about homosexuality when a same-sex couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism, and I had to have explained how two white men had a black baby ;) . In the decades since, this has been changed by vote in PC(USA), which no longer considers homosexuality a sin and endorses same-sex marriage by individual churches - though doesn't mandate it. PC(USA) is the largest group of Presbyterian churches in the U.S., but there are other organizations in the U.S. and worldwide that still consider homosexuality a sin.
Quote from: jhkim;1138838My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and we don't have any dogma about what is or isn't a sin. Members can have widely differing beliefs - we even have a number of atheist members at my church. However, we do have seven principles about how we behave as a community, and I think all of the UU churches are welcoming of homosexual members as well as ministers. The previous minister at my church is a lesbian, for example.
The church I grew up in was Presbyterian - which has some dogma, but the dogma is democratically decided among the congregations, and individual churches vary a lot. So while I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, our larger organization PC(USA) did overall consider homosexuality a sin -- but my church was one of the "More Light" coalition that specifically welcomed homosexual members as deacons and elders. As a kid, I first learned about homosexuality when a same-sex couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism, and I had to have explained how two white men had a black baby ;) . In the decades since, this has been changed by vote in PC(USA), which no longer considers homosexuality a sin and endorses same-sex marriage by individual churches - though doesn't mandate it. PC(USA) is the largest group of Presbyterian churches in the U.S., but there are other organizations in the U.S. and worldwide that still consider homosexuality a sin.
Why would an Atheist go to church? What's the point of a church that has no principles, beliefs, or values? Why would anyone waste their time going to church if they don't believe in anything? I grew up as a Presbyterian, and so did Donald Trump, they didn't have any of that when I was a kid. I didn't know about homosexuality when I was a kid, I was only told not to trust strangers, and that some people were crazy and liked to kidnap children, that was as far as my parents to to explaining it. In school their was sex education, and they talked only about biological sex, no mention of homosexuals there. Kids in school did throw names like "faggot" around, I didn't know then what it meant only that it was a curse word and that one shouldn't use it.
During the Aids epidemic the news media had to explain what homosexuals were, because a large segment of the population, that didn't use curse words, didn't really know, they just assumed there were males and females and that was it, and only crude foul-mouthed people suggested there was anything else.
Quote from: Shasarak;1138809[video=youtube_share;XDkIMfTUDT8]https://youtu.be/XDkIMfTUDT8[/youtube]
None of BLM ever fought in World War II, where there were real fascists to fight, not just imagined ones.
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1138865Why would an Atheist go to church? What's the point of a church that has no principles, beliefs, or values? Why would anyone waste their time going to church if they don't believe in anything?
Church =/= Christian
Jhkim pointed out that his 'church' has a set of principles or values...
Whether that is good or bad would depend on their values, but it wouldn't prevent them from organizing around a group of shared principles.
Atheists go to church because humans have a god sized hole in their hearts. Humans crave something to follow, believe in, and a dogma of some kind. I have a feeling that no sin church probably does have a few sins, they just remain nebulous and not codified for times people need an interpretation. Like terms of service for youtube maybe. I have a feeling racism is a sin in that church.
As to agnostic vs atheist, I will lay it out like this, I do no doubt there could be a higher power. I do doubt said higher power is 100 percent benevolent IF it exists. I have neither
faith nor knowledge. So I have no idea what that is. I do laugh my ass off at atheists going to church though. I guess some people have to join a club of some sort.
Quote from: oggsmash;1138890I do laugh my ass off at atheists going to church though. I guess some people have to join a club of some sort.
I'm not much of a football fan, but I'll head to a sports bar on a game night to down a few beers & eat wings with my buddies.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1138896I'm not much of a football fan, but I'll head to a sports bar on a game night to down a few beers & eat wings with my buddies.
Do you guys go through a few ritual behaviors, set down codified methods to injest wings and beer and stick to a set of values laid down? because if not I guess I am missing the comparison to being in a club/church to a pretty straight forward social gathering of friends.
Quote from: jhkim;1138838My current church is Unitarian Universalist, and we don't have any dogma about what is or isn't a sin. Members can have widely differing beliefs - we even have a number of atheist members at my church. However, we do have seven principles about how we behave as a community, and I think all of the UU churches are welcoming of homosexual members as well as ministers. The previous minister at my church is a lesbian, for example.
The church I grew up in was Presbyterian - which has some dogma, but the dogma is democratically decided among the congregations, and individual churches vary a lot. So while I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, our larger organization PC(USA) did overall consider homosexuality a sin -- but my church was one of the "More Light" coalition that specifically welcomed homosexual members as deacons and elders. As a kid, I first learned about homosexuality when a same-sex couple brought their adopted baby in for baptism, and I had to have explained how two white men had a black baby ;) . In the decades since, this has been changed by vote in PC(USA), which no longer considers homosexuality a sin and endorses same-sex marriage by individual churches - though doesn't mandate it. PC(USA) is the largest group of Presbyterian churches in the U.S., but there are other organizations in the U.S. and worldwide that still consider homosexuality a sin.
What might those 7 principles of behavior be?
Quote from: moonsweeper;1138876Church =/= Christian
Jhkim pointed out that his 'church' has a set of principles or values...
Whether that is good or bad would depend on their values, but it wouldn't prevent them from organizing around a group of shared principles.
Quote from: oggsmash;1138890Atheists go to church because humans have a god sized hole in their hearts. Humans crave something to follow, believe in, and a dogma of some kind. I have a feeling that no sin church probably does have a few sins, they just remain nebulous and not codified for times people need an interpretation. Like terms of service for youtube maybe. I have a feeling racism is a sin in that church.
As far as atheists - I think a lot people of any belief tend to go to church mostly as a social function rather than because of true faith. UU has both common principles and individual beliefs. It's just that what specifically is "sin" is not dictated from the top, but rather left up to individual churches and members. The Quakers are similar - they are more explicitly Christian, but they also don't have any hierarchy or dogma. They have individual beliefs, but those beliefs are not codified as dogma that all members must adhere to. We're like the libertarians of churches. ;)
For reference, the UU principles are:
1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
Quote from: jhkim;1138904As far as atheists - I think a lot people of any belief tend to go to church mostly as a social function rather than because of true faith. UU has both common principles and individual beliefs. It's just that what specifically is "sin" is not dictated from the top, but rather left up to individual churches and members. The Quakers are similar - they are more explicitly Christian, but they also don't have any hierarchy or dogma. They have individual beliefs, but those beliefs are not codified as dogma that all members must adhere to. We're like the libertarians of churches. ;)
For reference, the UU principles are:
1st Principle: The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2nd Principle: Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
3rd Principle: Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4th Principle: A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5th Principle: The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6th Principle: The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
7th Principle: Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
So if someone breaks these rules? Is that a sin? I could say the same for people engaged in activism regarding true faith. I could say that about a whole lot of things. I think people want affirmations and some sort of community, I do not however think people going to christian churches do so because of some need for friends, IME they tend to have real faith. Discipline exercising that faith.....well the Sinner is welcomed in the church for a reason.
Quote from: oggsmash;1138899Do you guys go through a few ritual behaviors, set down codified methods to injest wings and beer and stick to a set of values laid down? because if not I guess I am missing the comparison to being in a club/church to a pretty straight forward social gathering of friends.
The true football fans among my friends have some rituals, sure. I'm there for food and friends though.
Quote from: HappyDaze;1138932The true football fans among my friends have some rituals, sure. I'm there for food and friends though.
Hey I know when I played I always wore dirty socks on game day, and the same shirt under my pads. But I still miss where those rituals fall anywhere close to church. I guess in Texas football is a bit of a religion, so I could be missing something. Is this football you speak of oval or round?
Quote from: oggsmash;1138933Hey I know when I played I always wore dirty socks on game day, and the same shirt under my pads. But I still miss where those rituals fall anywhere close to church. I guess in Texas football is a bit of a religion, so I could be missing something. Is this football you speak of oval or round?
At the time, it was in Knoxville, TN, so there's only one type of football (and it's not played with a spherical ball). I don't really miss the football as much as I miss the wings...and bbq. I remember moving to Tacoma, WA in 2009 and asking for the best bbq around. I was so pissed when I got there and it was a Korean restaurant. Oh well...
Quote from: HappyDaze;1138944At the time, it was in Knoxville, TN, so there's only one type of football (and it's not played with a spherical ball). I don't really miss the football as much as I miss the wings...and bbq. I remember moving to Tacoma, WA in 2009 and asking for the best bbq around. I was so pissed when I got there and it was a Korean restaurant. Oh well...
Well in the home of the Volunteers I retract my previous statements, that is likely a religious gathering.
I think that this video is an accurate reflection of the SJW game plus is hilarious.
[video=youtube_share;Ev373c7wSRg]https://youtu.be/Ev373c7wSRg[/youtube]
The slow creep continues BAFTA is piloting new rules for Game entries.
To achieve Standard A you will need to meet THREE of the criteria below:
A1 Lead characters / Playable characters At least one of the lead characters is from an under-represented group(s).
For non-narrative games where the cast is an ensemble - the total roster of playable characters meets one, or more, of the below targets.
A 50-50 gender balance
20% belonging to an under-represented ethnic group
10% LGBTQ+
7% D/deaf and disabled
Significant amount of characters featuring regional diversity
Significant amount of characters are from a lower socioeconomic background
You should explain where there are characters that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non-stereotypical representation.
A2 Other characters
The total of your secondary characters or principal non-player characters (NPCs) meet one, or more, of the below targets.
A 50-50 gender balance
20% belonging to an under-represented ethnic group
10% LGBTQ+
7% D/deaf and disabled
Significant amount of characters featuring regional diversity
Significant amount of characters are from a lower socioeconomic background
You should explain where there are characters that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non-stereotypical representation.
In addition, for narrative games, you should indicate these characters' roles in the story.
A3 Main storyline / subject matter
The main storyline(s), theme(s) or narrative of the video game is about under represented group(s). The game should demonstrate diversity across the majority
of the playtime in order to meet A3, not just a single section or element.
A4 Other storylines / subject matter / featured character backstory There are other elements of the video game storyline(s), subject matter or in
game character backstory that are about under-represented group(s).
A5 Location
The setting is wholly, or partially, in an under-represented region or community. If the game takes place in an imagined or fantastical setting, please detail how this relates to real-world under-represented regions or communities. You should explain where there are settings/communities that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non stereotypical representation.
A6 Casting decisions / background non-player characters (NPCs)
Casting choices of voice artists that address under-representation and challenge tropes and stereotypes. For games that feature background NPCs or crowds, does the game ensure that under-represented groups are featured in significant amounts
Quote from: Gagarth;1141164The slow creep continues BAFTA is piloting new rules for Game entries.
To achieve Standard A you will need to meet THREE of the criteria below:
A1 Lead characters / Playable characters At least one of the lead characters is from an under-represented group(s).
For non-narrative games where the cast is an ensemble - the total roster of playable characters meets one, or more, of the below targets.
A 50-50 gender balance
20% belonging to an under-represented ethnic group
10% LGBTQ+
7% D/deaf and disabled
Significant amount of characters featuring regional diversity
Significant amount of characters are from a lower socioeconomic background
You should explain where there are characters that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non-stereotypical representation.
A2 Other characters
The total of your secondary characters or principal non-player characters (NPCs) meet one, or more, of the below targets.
A 50-50 gender balance
20% belonging to an under-represented ethnic group
10% LGBTQ+
7% D/deaf and disabled
Significant amount of characters featuring regional diversity
Significant amount of characters are from a lower socioeconomic background
You should explain where there are characters that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non-stereotypical representation.
In addition, for narrative games, you should indicate these characters' roles in the story.
A3 Main storyline / subject matter
The main storyline(s), theme(s) or narrative of the video game is about under represented group(s). The game should demonstrate diversity across the majority
of the playtime in order to meet A3, not just a single section or element.
A4 Other storylines / subject matter / featured character backstory There are other elements of the video game storyline(s), subject matter or in
game character backstory that are about under-represented group(s).
A5 Location
The setting is wholly, or partially, in an under-represented region or community. If the game takes place in an imagined or fantastical setting, please detail how this relates to real-world under-represented regions or communities. You should explain where there are settings/communities that are not frequently portrayed on screen and/or how the game is offering non stereotypical representation.
A6 Casting decisions / background non-player characters (NPCs)
Casting choices of voice artists that address under-representation and challenge tropes and stereotypes. For games that feature background NPCs or crowds, does the game ensure that under-represented groups are featured in significant amounts
Prospective game designers should contemplate what they want more; awards from some pack of dipshits, or falling backwards into Scrooge McDuck's money pit.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1141201Prospective game designers should contemplate what they want more; awards from some pack of dipshits, or falling backwards into Scrooge McDuck's money pit.
The hope is to do both at once. And at times it sorta happens.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1141282The hope is to do both at once. And at times it sorta happens.
Has it really happened with new IPs though? Sure, plenty of people mindlessly buy into bastardised sequels of established franchises and make bank but I can't think of one brand spankin' new IP which has pushed this and done well except Overwatch, and we all know it sold stupid well because it was the Blizzard name.
What is Bafta here?
The only thing I recognise that acronym from is the British movie awards.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1141282The hope is to do both at once. And at times it sorta happens.
Yeah, but the former means 'Hooray, I can afford steak tonight' and the latter means 'Hooray, I can afford Kobe beef IN TOKYO JAPAN tonight!'
Larry Correia may not have many awards to his name, but he bought part of a mountain in Utah and has built a home there with the proceeds from his books.
Quote from: TJS;1141342What is Bafta here?
The only thing I recognise that acronym from is the British movie awards.
Same bunch they also do game awards. BAFTA have set themselves up as the Overlords and Thought Police of entertainment in the UK. They are on the leading edge of Woke Totalitarianism and the BFI, the lead entertainment funding agency in the UK sups from the BAFTA teat. Hollywood is getting heavily influenced by their methods of totalitarianism.
Now they have knitting sorted out there is a full assault on Arthuriana. Asian Gawaine and now this diarrhoea. I bet everyone of the scum involved with this has out been burning shit down over the last month.
QuoteFallen Camelot is the first setting in our Cities of Myth product line, immersing players and their characters into the beloved realm of Albion. Set 100 years after King Arthur's death, the 'explorers' are thrust into the middle of the "Three Banner War for Camelot." Will they decide to fight for Queen Morgana, Mordred, or the rebellion leader Sir Beau le Noir?
Play 5th edition fantasy like never before in the vibrant rendition of one of the most famous myths of all time. We've kept the spirit of the mythology and feel of medieval Britain while updating the story for 21st-century representation and inclusivity.
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Quote from: Gagarth;1142302Now they have knitting sorted out there is a full assault on Arthuriana. Asian Gawaine and now this diarrhoea. I bet everyone of the scum involved with this has out been burning shit down over the last month.
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Of course they have, or wanted to but had more important things to do, like pissing on us while telling us it's rain.
QuoteFallen Camelot is the first setting in our Cities of Myth product line, immersing players and their characters into the beloved realm of Albion. Set 100 years after King Arthur's death, the 'explorers' are thrust into the middle of the "Three Banner War for Camelot." Will they decide to fight for Queen Morgana, Mordred, or the rebellion leader Sir Beau le Noir?
Play 5th edition fantasy like never before in the vibrant rendition of one of the most famous myths of all time. We've kept the spirit of the mythology and feel of medieval Britain while updating the story for 21st-century representation and inclusivity.
LOLWUT!?
The spirit of the mythology is British, The feel of medieval Britain can't be preserved while inserting pursepuppies because "Muh Representashun and Inclushun!"
Good thing I'm not playing that shit, never mind buying it.
There's already source books for Arthurian legends, and even a whole game.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142327Of course they have, or wanted to but had more important things to do, like pissing on us while telling us it's rain.
LOLWUT!?
The spirit of the mythology is British, The feel of medieval Britain can't be preserved while inserting pursepuppies because "Muh Representashun and Inclushun!"
Good thing I'm not playing that shit, never mind buying it.
There's already source books for Arthurian legends, and even a whole game.
*facepalm*
Having 21st century mentalities in a medieval setting is VERY hit or miss. Adding 'diversity' for the sake of diversity is just stupid. It's the Witcher and Kingdom Come: Deliverance all over again, with people whining about the lack of colored people -- guys, you're in the middle of Europe. There aren't gonna BE a lot of colored people.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1142347*facepalm*
Having 21st century mentalities in a medieval setting is VERY hit or miss. Adding 'diversity' for the sake of diversity is just stupid. It's the Witcher and Kingdom Come: Deliverance all over again, with people whining about the lack of colored people -- guys, you're in the middle of Europe. There aren't gonna BE a lot of colored people.
What do you mean that Arthur can't be a transgender, transracial, transabled, midget lesbian of color you bigot!?
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142367What do you mean that Arthur can't be a transgender, transracial, transabled, midget lesbian of color you bigot!?
Arthur and Guinevere should be POC, and Guinevere should be a MtF trans.
Or is that too on-point?
Quote from: RandyB;1142368Arthur and Guinevere should be POC, and Guinevere should be a MtF trans.
Or is that too on-point?
Guinevere: MtF bearded hung trans
Arthur: FtM trans
With lots of explicit sex scenes and Arthur gets pregnant.
As I said: This is what happens when diversity and inclusivity becomes a virtue in it of itself. None of these people even ask why they are doing it that way. Its just gut instinct.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142367What do you mean that Arthur can't be a transgender, transracial, transabled, midget lesbian of color you bigot!?
We laugh, but that's exactly what they demand, because they think it will somehow make the story better.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1142391We laugh, but that's exactly what they demand, because they think it will somehow make the story better.
No, the sheep think it will make the world better, the leaders know it's just to destroy western civilization and institute socialism.
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142393No, the sheep think it will make the world better, the leaders know it's just to destroy western civilization and institute socialism.
The goal is to destroy Western Civilization. Even socialism is just a means toward that end.
I think political polarization has made us oversensitive.
Right now I'm reading The Vang: The Military Form, a scifi novel from the late 80s. It has a casually diverse cast including practicing hindus, korean mafia, etc. One of the protagonists is a young Indian woman who is trying to get out of her ultra-religious parents' shadow.
If that was published nowadays, then I'm sure everybody on both sides of the political spectrum would be screaming at it.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1142389As I said: This is what happens when diversity and inclusivity becomes a virtue in it of itself. None of these people even ask why they are doing it that way. Its just gut instinct.
They are quite aware of their actions. Notice how the "diversity and inclusion" always goes in one direction because they know the young engage with whatever is new. If they crap out "Woke Arthuriana", that will be many people's first (or only) experience with the tales.
It doesn't even matter if the project sucks. The goal is to confuse the young with what Arthuriana might be, and they will either convince them it's good now that it's woke and thus hate the non-woke versions, or just turn them off from the stories all together.
It's a win-win as they crumble another stone in the wall of Western culture.
It's interesting that, beyond the woke stuff, just about every recent version of Arthur has just been reduced to hack fantasy.
Like the recent Guy Ritchie film is neither set in a putative Post-Roman Britain (where people think King Arthur should be set) or a magical high middle ages (where it probably should be set), but in just generic fantasy land. The recent Netflix series Cursed is another example.
Of course once you set it in generic fantasy land you've taken out all the strangeness and the mythic resonances. At that point it hardly matters if Arthur and the Knights are black, Asian, Trans or whatever. It's already set nowhere and about nothing.
I'm sure this woke 5E Arthur book will suck, but it almost certainly would have sucked anyway.
I'm just not sure if the need to make Arthur woke and the reduction of mythology to hack fantasy are two different issues or two parts of the same issue.
Quote from: Spinachcat;1142569They are quite aware of their actions.
As an Ex-Proto SJW they are generally not. You don't need to be malicous to believe diversity goes one way. Just have moral cognizance issues.
However they are 100% going for other cultures as well. They are just next on the chopping block. An example is how furious SJWs are with anime very often. And general they never adapt existing cultural elements from other cultures as the other cultures see it. Its still through a SJW lens. When the live action Mulan comes out, prepare for X10 SJWness on it.
The revolution will be global comrade.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1142574As an Ex-Proto SJW they are generally not. You don't need to be malicous to believe diversity goes one way. Just have moral cognizance issues.
However they are 100% going for other cultures as well. They are just next on the chopping block. An example is how furious SJWs are with anime very often. And general they never adapt existing cultural elements from other cultures as the other cultures see it. Its still through a SJW lens. When the live action Mulan comes out, prepare for X10 SJWness on it.
The revolution will be global comrade.
Far Leftist journalists are upset that Japanese gamers like Ghosts of Tsushima despite being made by Non-Japanese developers.
Ghosts of Tsushima is a good example of cultural appreciation. It is a triumph over the persisting scourge of orientalism and casting white people in Asian roles.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1142598Far Leftist journalists are upset that Japanese gamers like Ghosts of Tsushima despite being made by Non-Japanese developers.
Ghosts of Tsushima is a good example of cultural appreciation. It is a triumph over the persisting scourge of orientalism and casting white people in Asian roles.
Bingo. SJWs only respect cultures that will let them talk FOR them. The rest get the axe regardless of melanin.
Quote from: TJS;1142573It's interesting that, beyond the woke stuff, just about every recent version of Arthur has just been reduced to hack fantasy.
Like the recent Guy Ritchie film is neither set in a putative Post-Roman Britain (where people think King Arthur should be set) or a magical high middle ages (where it probably should be set), but in just generic fantasy land. The recent Netflix series Cursed is another example.
Of course once you set it in generic fantasy land you've taken out all the strangeness and the mythic resonances. At that point it hardly matters if Arthur and the Knights are black, Asian, Trans or whatever. It's already set nowhere and about nothing.
I'm sure this woke 5E Arthur book will suck, but it almost certainly would have sucked anyway.
I'm just not sure if the need to make Arthur woke and the reduction of mythology to hack fantasy are two different issues or two parts of the same issue.
In the 80s and 90s it was creators being lazy and restricted by budget. But now it is concentrated effort to deconstruct and then destroy. Beowulf has been in their sights as well https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4520906/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4520906/). The Guy Ritichie film was utter garbage similar to the utterly pathetic Robin Hood (2018) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4532826/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4532826/). Pendragon 6th edition is more than likely going in this direction too given Chaosium's Jeff Richards stating that it would be for a different audience and the artwork will be no doubt be full diversified and in the style of the cartoonish art in Runequest: Glorantha
Quote from: Gagarth;1142646In the 80s and 90s it was creators being lazy and restricted by budget. But now it is concentrated effort to deconstruct and then destroy. Beowulf has been in their sights as well https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4520906/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4520906/). The Guy Ritichie film was utter garbage similar to the utterly pathetic Robin Hood (2018) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4532826/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4532826/). Pendragon 6th edition is more than likely going in this direction too given Chaosium's Jeff Richards stating that it would be for a different audience and the artwork will be no doubt be full diversified and in the style of the cartoonish art in Runequest: Glorantha
Rather than trying to diversify a setting in anachronistic ways (e.g. Camelot should be mostly anglo-celts with a minority of moors if the stories are anything to go by), it would make more sense to explore non-European fantasy. Roman Empire, Africa, India, East Asia, etc. Or just make something up.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1142655Rather than trying to diversify a setting in anachronistic ways (e.g. Camelot should be mostly anglo-celts with a minority of moors if the stories are anything to go by), it would make more sense to explore non-European fantasy. Roman Empire, Africa, India, East Asia, etc. Or just make something up.
But that doesn't decolonize those problematic games and requires creativity and work.
Greetings!
Geesus. All of these fucking "revisioning" of stories gets so pathetic when in every goddamn one of them, we always, always, have to have someone that is black or Hispanic as a key role. I'm sorry, but it's bullshit.
In Mexico, or China, or Nigeria--when they are making films, or writing books--they don't smack themselves in the forehead and say, "Well, goddamn, we can't have the story like this. We have to make it more diverse! We need to include more white people!"
I've seen plenty of Hispanic shows, and Chinese shows as well. No black people or white people, or Hispanic people in Chinese shows, all Hispanics in Mexican shows and so on. For the most part. I like appropriate diversity, or whatever, even when it's original. I'm not against that. It's this clammy, sniveling insistence of "diversity" shoved into stories where it's entirely inappropriate or unnecessary.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1142667But that doesn't decolonize those problematic games and requires creativity and work.
Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1142761Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.
And you're telling me this why? I'm not the one talking about decolonizing fucking games dude, I was just being sarcastic and pointing out why they will NEVER make an original IP or take the mythos from say Africa to make a game.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1142761Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.
**cough**Armenian genocide**cough**
**cough**Ukrainian genocide**cough**
Sorry, something in my throat.
Quote from: Shasarak;1142797**cough**Armenian genocide**cough**
**cough**Ukrainian genocide**cough**
Sorry, something in my throat.
Can't forgot them either. They have oppression points! Where's the Armenian and Ukrainian decolonist fantasy?
The Muslim Turks make a great Black Hat analogy to Orcs!
Womp womp.
https://nationalfile.com/patreon-loses-lawsuit-with-owen-benjamin-fans-likely-to-pay-millions-in-arbitration-and-legal-fees/
Poor Patreon. That's what happens when your lawyers are sloppy with your terms of service and you don't pay attention to state laws.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1142932Womp womp.
https://nationalfile.com/patreon-loses-lawsuit-with-owen-benjamin-fans-likely-to-pay-millions-in-arbitration-and-legal-fees/
Poor Patreon. That's what happens when your lawyers are sloppy with your terms of service and you don't pay attention to state laws.
Does this open the floodgates for companies to sue retailers for removing their products? Patreon and Amazon and Steam have been banning anime-style artwork for a while now.
There's this bizarre belief that the anime art style makes everyone look underage (there isn't a single anime art style) and that this is child porn that harms real children. Meanwhile, Western fiction that depicts under-18 people engaged in consensual and non-consensual sex isn't banned. This includes Games of Thrones (in which numerous teenage girls are raped), I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (which depicts the author's own experience with being raped as a child), and lots and lots of amateur fiction published online.
While I do think most anime/manga/whatever is drek because of Sturgeon's law, I'm opposed to worsening censorship because it's a slippery slope.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1142947Does this open the floodgates for companies to sue retailers for removing their products? Patreon and Amazon and Steam have been banning anime-style artwork for a while now.
There's this bizarre belief that the anime art style makes everyone look underage (there isn't a single anime art style) and that this is child porn that harms real children. Meanwhile, Western fiction that depicts under-18 people engaged in consensual and non-consensual sex isn't banned. This includes Games of Thrones (in which numerous teenage girls are raped), I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (which depicts the author's own experience with being raped as a child), and lots and lots of amateur fiction published online.
While I do think most anime/manga/whatever is drek because of Sturgeon's law, I'm opposed to worsening censorship because it's a slippery slope.
I would say 'no, but...' with qualifiers. Patreon is fucked because they're getting slapped with the tortious interference with trade angle by trying to slip out from under their own arbitration requirement, after kicking Benjamin off their platform.
I would want to see how the Meyer vs Waid, et. al. lawsuit plays out, to be honest.
Part of the problem is this: can you COMPEL someone to do business with someone they don't like? Is it censorship to say 'I don't want to do business with this person'? Does that run up against freedom of association?
My understanding is that if you refuse up front, it's one thing. But once you sign a contract, you are obligated to fulfill that contract's requirements. If you need to renegotiate, that's one thing -- businesses do that all the time, with no hard feelings. But violating contract law is not only bad for business, it's striking at one of the REAL pillars of western civilization.
Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on (https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on)
Quote from: Gagarth;1142977Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on (https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on)
The date stamp on that is WEIRD. If I'm reading it right, it should be dated May 18, 2020 -- but it's labeled June 8, 2020. Which should make it 2020/6/8, not 2020/5/18. Strange.
Also, it seems he lost out on this as well: https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/7/27/announcement-regarding-dune-adventures-in-the-imperium
Quote from: Gagarth;1142977Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on (https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on)
I'd be more sympathetic if I believed he really learned something. Which I doubt he did.
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1143020The date stamp on that is WEIRD. If I'm reading it right, it should be dated May 18, 2020 -- but it's labeled June 8, 2020. Which should make it 2020/6/8, not 2020/5/18. Strange.
Also, it seems he lost out on this as well: https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/7/27/announcement-regarding-dune-adventures-in-the-imperium
It would be interesting to do know if this was further cancelling or some form of self flagellation.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1143114I'd be more sympathetic if I believed he really learned something. Which I doubt he did.
He deserves this because he is part (or was until his comrades kicked him out) of the cancel culture. Anyone who agrees with his cancelling for what he did in that session is part of the same rancid culture.
Ok with players who want to play a character who murders people and steals their money, but does not want anybody playing his game if they want to play a character that was a Confederate conscript. [video=youtube;lpFTkXuC0Go]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpFTkXuC0Go&feature=youtu.be&t=840[/youtube]
Keep listening for douche bag Parker Blau's thoughts on John Carter of Mars.
"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
Quote from: Gagarth;1143376Ok with players who want to play a character who murders people and steals their money, but does not want anybody playing his game if they want to play a character that was a Confederate conscript. [video=youtube;lpFTkXuC0Go]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpFTkXuC0Go&feature=youtu.be&t=840[/youtube]
Keep listening for douche bag Parker Blau's thoughts on John Carter of Mars.
"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
We we should behave like the 21st century, I have to wonder what the point is in playing a character from a different era?
Oh boy! It gets seriously circular "we don't try to avoid the bad things that happened in the 1880s, so we don't call it cowboys and Indians....you should play it like it's the 21st century.....why would you play a horrible person? Well, you get to be an outlaw and rob banks, but you know what I mean!" WTF? I don't think they know what they mean.
Quote from: Gagarth;1143376Ok with players who want to play a character who murders people and steals their money, but does not want anybody playing his game if they want to play a character that was a Confederate conscript. [video=youtube;lpFTkXuC0Go]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpFTkXuC0Go&feature=youtu.be&t=840[/youtube]
Keep listening for douche bag Parker Blau's thoughts on John Carter of Mars.
"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
(Cue Harrison Ford as Han Solo in TFA)
"That's not how roleplaying WORKS!"
Jesus and Buddha, how do people this stupid survive in life?
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1143413(Cue Harrison Ford as Han Solo in TFA)
"That's not how roleplaying WORKS!"
Jesus and Buddha, how do people this stupid survive in life?
They are coddled, protected, and told that they are Special - the good kind of Special that gets lollipops and fancy pants.
Quote from: Gagarth;1143376Ok with players who want to play a character who murders people and steals their money, but does not want anybody playing his game if they want to play a character that was a Confederate conscript.
Keep listening for douche bag Parker Blau's thoughts on John Carter of Mars.
"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
I couldn't get past when the douche says his game is different "because you can ignore the rules you don't like"...
I seem to remember a little brown book from 1974 that said something about changing the rules...
Quote from: Gagarth;1143376"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
Personally, I want my players to be nicer than that, but that's just me.
Oh, you meant the characters ... :D
Quote from: Gagarth;1143376Keep listening for douche bag Parker Blau's thoughts on John Carter of Mars.
"We are in the 21st century and we should behave like it, even when we are role playing a character from a different era"
Ah! The Modernist Fallacy. It never goes away, does it?
That makes my head ache like I'm trying to fucking drill through cement with it.
The whole POINT of playing a roleplaying game is you're playing someone you're not.
If he's arguing 'the players need to remember it's a game and not be dickheads', fine, but is that what he's saying? Or is he saying 'Even if you're playing the expy of a cranky, bloodthirsty 11th century Mongol, you should play as if you have 21st century values.'?
Quote from: Ghostmaker;1143463That makes my head ache like I'm trying to fucking drill through cement with it.
The whole POINT of playing a roleplaying game is you're playing someone you're not.
If he's arguing 'the players need to remember it's a game and not be dickheads', fine, but is that what he's saying? Or is he saying 'Even if you're playing the expy of a cranky, bloodthirsty 11th century Mongol, you should play as if you have 21st century values.'?
It's literally "don't play an awful person! Of course you could still be a violent bank robber, but you know what I mean".
My guess would be "you can still be a violent robber, as long as you still support SJW talking points" Which sort of makes sense given the recent riots. But that definitely would not be playing 19th century characters.
Quote from: Trond;1143473My guess would be "you can still be a violent robber, as long as you still support SJW talking points"
Yes. It has NEVER been about diversity as much as an agreement with them.
Greetings!
Somehow being a murderer, or a robber, some tough guy that physically intimidates and beats people for a living--that is all good. But having someone that is racist or sexist, or bigoted or whatever social classism of the day was....no, no, that's far too terrible. The social attitudes of the day, that's awful and must be replaced with 21st Century attitudes, or else.
Such fucked up thinking!
These people have such a difficult time comprehending the entire purpose of the game is.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I think we don't need to "de-colonize" RPG's but instead re-colonize them! :D:p
[video=youtube;Ne2tzfxQ6T4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne2tzfxQ6T4[/youtube]
Here is another wrinkle regarding the changes being demanded by Neo-Marxist totalitarians like Orcs are not being evil and getting rid of racial bonuses. A lot of the defenders for this including a number of them on here say well you will always have your books that can't change that. Well what about people who play on sites like Roll20 something you have paid for can be changed with your consent.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1143490Yes. It has NEVER been about diversity as much as an agreement with them.
Nobody knows that better than black conservatives.
But agreement isn't enough. You MUST submit.
BTW, here's Brandon Tatum discussing how BLM is shaking down Latino businesses.
It's creepy as fuck. If the business doesn't bend the knee...you know what's next.
[video=youtube;g-tN4Ha6lv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-tN4Ha6lv0[/youtube]
When this BLM bullshit first hit, I posted that anyone supporting BLM truly HATES black people because any support for BLM leads to further damage and pain for the black community.
Of course, we all know the white liberals aren't going to stick around the cities and states they destroy. You see it in any of these AntiFart videos when the same scum spraying "ACAB" on walls and demanding "Defund the police!" are the same pieces of shit who start screaming "Call 911!" the moment something happens to them.
Quote from: Gagarth;1143592Well what about people who play on sites like Roll20 something you have paid for can be changed with your consent.
A) If you engage with SJW sites, you're agreeing to their rules and supporting them.
B) Any PDF that's not under your total control can be "updated" anytime, so if you want the Original Book, you gotta go get the Original Book.
C) Wonder when Roll20 and others won't support (or allow) games with disclaimers on them?
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To follow up the Asian Gawain we now have a black King Arthur.
https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/features/devon-terrell/age/
Quote from: Gagarth on October 04, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
To follow up the Asian Gawain we now have a black King Arthur.
https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/features/devon-terrell/age/
Greetings!
Geesus. You know, if these morons love *black* culture so much, why don't they create books and films about fucking black African culture, history, and mythology? They somehow must always fuck up anything that is from Western Civilization and white European with crying about how we need to get more Asians, more blacks, more Muslims somehow into fucking everything. Lets just strip out all main characters from European history and mythology and "reimagine" them as being black or Asian!
These people that seek to "reimagine" everything are fucking retarded morons.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 04, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
To follow up the Asian Gawain we now have a black King Arthur.
https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/features/devon-terrell/age/
Greetings!
Geesus. You know, if these morons love *black* culture so much, why don't they create books and films about fucking black African culture, history, and mythology? They somehow must always fuck up anything that is from Western Civilization and white European with crying about how we need to get more Asians, more blacks, more Muslims somehow into fucking everything. Lets just strip out all main characters from European history and mythology and "reimagine" them as being black or Asian!
These people that seek to "reimagine" everything are fucking retarded morons.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Try remaking
Shaka Zulu with a bunch of white guys and see what happens (as it should)
Or
Shaft starring Bruce Willis (as I teased my co-worker of color with).
Quote from: Joey2k on October 04, 2020, 03:40:02 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2020, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 04, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
To follow up the Asian Gawain we now have a black King Arthur.
https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/features/devon-terrell/age/
Greetings!
Geesus. You know, if these morons love *black* culture so much, why don't they create books and films about fucking black African culture, history, and mythology? They somehow must always fuck up anything that is from Western Civilization and white European with crying about how we need to get more Asians, more blacks, more Muslims somehow into fucking everything. Lets just strip out all main characters from European history and mythology and "reimagine" them as being black or Asian!
These people that seek to "reimagine" everything are fucking retarded morons.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Try remaking Shaka Zulu with a bunch of white guys and see what happens (as it should)
Or Shaft starring Bruce Willis (as I teased my co-worker of color with).
Greetings!
Excellent points, my friend! I liked Shaka Zulu very much, as well as Shaft, too. Black African stories or other cultures like Asian or whatever are fine. I like them distinct, and often historical as well, which are my favourite genre. I don't mind modern stories or film with mixed casts, what have you. That's all good, as appropriate. It's the particular unhistorical and corruption of whatever European and white mythology and so on with crazy ahistorical additions and "reimaginings" that drive me fucking nuts, you know? It's not just ahistorical, inaccurate--but it also feels deeply insulting, you know? It's very offensive to me, in a number of ways. I could scream at these modern-day barbarians that just want to shit on European or white history and mythology, the traditions and legacy of Western Civilization. OUR ancestors, OUR people, OUR mythology. Not fucking black Africans, or Asians, or South American tribes, or whoever. It seems so disrespectful to me.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2020, 04:36:40 PMIt's not just ahistorical, inaccurate--but it also feels deeply insulting, you know? It's very offensive to me, in a number of ways.
That's the whole point!
Demoralize & Destroy.
Indoctrinate white children, especially males, to hate themselves.
Indoctrinate Latinos to know nothing about their Spanish heritage and spit upon Western civilization even though that's the backbone of their modern history.
Indoctrinate the rest to believe "whites have no culture".
And kids are gobbling this bullshit up at school and through the media.
I'm sure there won't be any negative effects long term.
Even if Trump win re-election, even if there's a mythical "Red Wave" across the country, nothing stands in the way of the Marxist indoctrination of children via schools and screens.
At absolute best, America will be living on a few years of borrowed time.
Quote from: Gagarth on October 04, 2020, 07:08:40 AM
To follow up the Asian Gawain we now have a black King Arthur.
https://www.popbuzz.com/tv-film/features/devon-terrell/age/
Meh, I think true maturity is realizing that Lucius Tiberius and Mordred were the real good guys of the Arthurian Legend. But that's just me.
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 04, 2020, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2020, 04:36:40 PMIt's not just ahistorical, inaccurate--but it also feels deeply insulting, you know? It's very offensive to me, in a number of ways.
That's the whole point!
Demoralize & Destroy.
Indoctrinate white children, especially males, to hate themselves.
Indoctrinate Latinos to know nothing about their Spanish heritage and spit upon Western civilization even though that's the backbone of their modern history.
Indoctrinate the rest to believe "whites have no culture".
And kids are gobbling this bullshit up at school and through the media.
I'm sure there won't be any negative effects long term.
Even if Trump win re-election, even if there's a mythical "Red Wave" across the country, nothing stands in the way of the Marxist indoctrination of children via schools and screens.
At absolute best, America will be living on a few years of borrowed time.
I'm not sure whether America is, but Republican democracy in America certainly is, because of a massive failure of decades to stop the takeover of the institutions by what amounts to Communist Ideological Suicide Bombers.
If they aren't stopped, pretty soon the United States will become, AT BEST, a copy of Venezuela or Cuba. At worst, Cambodia during Pol Pot's Killing fields.
But, and here's the bad part, at this point its so far too late that if they ARE stopped, it won't be by democratic means. So if you "win" at stopping the left in America now, you'll have some kind of right-wing authoritarian government. Those types of government don't usually want to return to democracy (and even if they did, the authoritarian means of stopping the cancer would be a project that would require decades to complete, so by then, no one will believe in the Republic anymore).
The only way I can see that might save the USA is to cut off, literally kick out of the union and leave to their own devices, the most toxic regions (which will mainly be some of the largest Democrat-run cities), and then engage in serious systemic reforms of the rest (fire every single teacher and replace the entire education system with something totally new, purge the entire deep state, fire most bureaucrats, make internet companies accountable, stop public funding of media, arts, or social education programs of any kind, and restore full and equal Rule of Law). But I doubt that could even be done, much less that anyone would have the guts to do it. If the USA completely fractures and balkanizes, then you could end up with a north-korea/south-korea style scenario, where the part(s) that consisted of red states would retain or even strengthen democratic principles, while the blue state parts would quickly devolve into mass murdering communism people would risk machine gun fire to escape from.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PMI'm not sure whether America is, but Republican democracy in America certainly is, because of a massive failure of decades to stop the takeover of the institutions by what amounts to Communist Ideological Suicide Bombers.
If Trump wins, we have a few years left (at least 2, at most 8 ), but you're right. GenZ are more brainwashed versions of Millennials and between the two generations, there's nothing stopping the 2028 demographics giving the leftists enough votes to make conservatives the nullified minority party.
If Trump loses and Republicans lose the Senate (which the MSM tells us is nigh-guaranteed next month), the Democrats will pack the Supreme Court, undo every "conservative" law, and make DC and/or PR into states so the electoral college can't be used against them.
Unfortunately,
it appears that many Americans view voting for Biden or not voting as their path back to "normalcy" after the MSM screaming Orange Man Bad at them every night. Of course, the MSM is silent on JoJo's dementia and the DNC's obvious plans to descend us into communism so
it appears that many, or most, Americans are completely clueless to the axe coming for our heads.
I say
"it appears" because the Silent Majority is silent and who knows how much of the fake news is fake vs. just biased vs. real? I am also wondering what the Telemundo polls really means in voter reality regarding the Latino voters when 67% said Trump won his debate and 74% said Pence won his debate.
Of course, anyone who believes Burn Loot Murder and AntiFart are going to be happy with Harris/Biden are quite wrong. Revolutionaries don't care about elections, except hoping the weaker one wins so the revolution can break them.
AOC already promised that Biden will be pulled to the far left, so its not a secret what their plan is going to be. Somehow I don't see the Harris/Biden administration standing up to the mob.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PMIf they aren't stopped, pretty soon the United States will become, AT BEST, a copy of Venezuela or Cuba. At worst, Cambodia during Pol Pot's Killing fields.
The Democrat elite and RINO globalists envision the USA becoming China. Total control of citizen's lives, but plenty of cash flying around keeping the rich happy.
The leftists on the ground definitely want Cuba, but with lots of more free stuff and a lot less work. The Democrats are so sure they can control the violent mobs AND silence the patriot militias.
The 60M Americans with 300M guns and 20B rounds will keep the USA from becoming Cambodia overall, but that's probably the fate of Blue areas once the economy collapses.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PMBut I doubt that could even be done, much less that anyone would have the guts to do it.
May I introduce you to Carlos Zapata!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2CoekuIoFEoN/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/2CoekuIoFEoN/)
Many white conservatives think I'm crazy when I say that 3rd+ generation Latinos are going to save America. I never heard of Latinos for Trump in 2016, but in 2020 they are far more visible.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PMIf the USA completely fractures and balkanizes, then you could end up with a north-korea/south-korea style scenario...
We had thread on USA Balkanization and I'd love to have you refresh the thread and hear your thoughts more on that subject - especially based on your political history experience.
I started the thread seeking ideas on peaceful red/blue separation, but the consensus was (a) too many blue cities in red states, and (b) there will be blood.
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 13, 2020, 10:13:27 PM
I am also wondering what the Telemundo polls really means in voter reality regarding the Latino voters when 67% said Trump won his debate and 74% said Pence won his debate.
One of the weirdest things about the current politics is the continued affiliation of black and latino voters with the blue tribe. There was a poll recently that looked at Democratic voters, and basically said they all look alike across most demographic groups -- except for black voters, who are far more conservative and traditional, and agree with the rest of the party on almost nothing.
Blacks have been a weird fit for the Democratic party since the 1920s, when the blacks shifted en masse from the Republican party, who gave them freedom and supported their political activity (all pre-New Deal black elected officials were Republican), and defected to the party of the KKK and institutionalized racism in return for the promise of some scraps. Which they apparently really needed, because they jumped despite all the policies FDR put in place that excluded blacks from most of the New Deal.
Same is true with latinos, who tend to be macho, catholic, and believe in traditional families and gender roles. They're both natural fits with the red tribe, and not even the libertarian wing of the red tribe -- they're much closer to traditional conservatives. The recent hyper-focus of the blue tribe on gender, intersectionalism, abortion, and all the things they hate and want to have nothing to do with must be causing some strains or fractures, but I haven't seen much sign of it in the news. Even the black shift toward Trump has been tiny, so far. The question is whether they'll keep on holding on, and only slowly bleed voters to the red tribe, or whether it will become a torrent.
Economic self-interest beats culture, so long as culture is allowed to remain apart. The left isn't forcing culture modification in exchange for economic benefits. If/when that happens will be after power is entrenched and it's change or starve.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat on October 04, 2020, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 04, 2020, 04:36:40 PMIt's not just ahistorical, inaccurate--but it also feels deeply insulting, you know? It's very offensive to me, in a number of ways.
That's the whole point!
Demoralize & Destroy.
Indoctrinate white children, especially males, to hate themselves.
Indoctrinate Latinos to know nothing about their Spanish heritage and spit upon Western civilization even though that's the backbone of their modern history.
Indoctrinate the rest to believe "whites have no culture".
And kids are gobbling this bullshit up at school and through the media.
I'm sure there won't be any negative effects long term.
Even if Trump win re-election, even if there's a mythical "Red Wave" across the country, nothing stands in the way of the Marxist indoctrination of children via schools and screens.
At absolute best, America will be living on a few years of borrowed time.
I'm not sure whether America is, but Republican democracy in America certainly is, because of a massive failure of decades to stop the takeover of the institutions by what amounts to Communist Ideological Suicide Bombers.
If they aren't stopped, pretty soon the United States will become, AT BEST, a copy of Venezuela or Cuba. At worst, Cambodia during Pol Pot's Killing fields.
But, and here's the bad part, at this point its so far too late that if they ARE stopped, it won't be by democratic means. So if you "win" at stopping the left in America now, you'll have some kind of right-wing authoritarian government. Those types of government don't usually want to return to democracy (and even if they did, the authoritarian means of stopping the cancer would be a project that would require decades to complete, so by then, no one will believe in the Republic anymore).
The only way I can see that might save the USA is to cut off, literally kick out of the union and leave to their own devices, the most toxic regions (which will mainly be some of the largest Democrat-run cities), and then engage in serious systemic reforms of the rest (fire every single teacher and replace the entire education system with something totally new, purge the entire deep state, fire most bureaucrats, make internet companies accountable, stop public funding of media, arts, or social education programs of any kind, and restore full and equal Rule of Law). But I doubt that could even be done, much less that anyone would have the guts to do it. If the USA completely fractures and balkanizes, then you could end up with a north-korea/south-korea style scenario, where the part(s) that consisted of red states would retain or even strengthen democratic principles, while the blue state parts would quickly devolve into mass murdering communism people would risk machine gun fire to escape from.
Remember Jade Helm. You only train if you are going to do the real thing. If worse comes to worse, there's always a WWIII scenario to shore up patriotism. Just sayin'.
Quote from: RPGPundit on October 13, 2020, 07:29:16 PM
If they aren't stopped, pretty soon the United States will become, AT BEST, a copy of Venezuela or Cuba. At worst, Cambodia during Pol Pot's Killing fields.
Or even worse still, Canada.
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Greetings!
Oh, come on, my f.riend! Ummm..as I've been told by a good number of your fellow Canadians--they have testified that Canada has become a socialist, globalist tyrannical nanny state that firmly supports open borders, mass immigration by foreigners that aren't compatible with Canadian traditions and culture--and seek to change Canada drastically--then there is the academic tyranny of forcing anyone and everyone to embrace an SJW, Globalist agenda--with dissenters persecuted, fired, and in some cases fined and put in prison; religious persecution against Christians--Christian preachers that preach and teach the Bible are harassed, fined, and arrested for "Hate Speech"--and of course, the uber-tyrannical Gun Control Laws that forbid Canadians from owning weapons essentially beyond a pellet gun.
That all sounds a whole lot like a Socialist, Globalist, SJW, Marxist shithole, wouldn't you agree, my friend?
Hmmm...it seems like here in the States we are rapidly trying to be just like Canada, with the same kind of program! ;D
Fuck. ;D
I hope Canada can regain their freedom and protect their glorious and fine heritage! Canada used to be a bastion of freedom, democracy, nice, neat, civilized, and a great icon of the ancient British Empire. :D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
I honestly didn't think I needed a smiley for that comment. :D
I might have been implying that The Pundit's comment was a little over the top.
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Oh, come on, my f.riend! Ummm..as I've been told by a good number of your fellow Canadians--they have testified that Canada has become a socialist, globalist tyrannical nanny state that firmly supports open borders, mass immigration by foreigners that aren't compatible with Canadian traditions and culture--and seek to change Canada drastically--then there is the academic tyranny of forcing anyone and everyone to embrace an SJW, Globalist agenda--with dissenters persecuted, fired, and in some cases fined and put in prison; religious persecution against Christians--Christian preachers that preach and teach the Bible are harassed, fined, and arrested for "Hate Speech"--and of course, the uber-tyrannical Gun Control Laws that forbid Canadians from owning weapons essentially beyond a pellet gun.
That all sounds a whole lot like a Socialist, Globalist, SJW, Marxist shithole, wouldn't you agree, my friend?
That is not in any way equivalent to being Cuba or Venezuela, or the killing fields of Cambodia. There is no flood of refugees out from Canada. They have a higher life expectancy than the U.S., as well as a lower poverty rate and a lower suicide rate. I disapprove of Canada's free speech restrictions, but making out to be Cuba or Venezuela is nonsensical.
Also, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Oh, come on, my f.riend! Ummm..as I've been told by a good number of your fellow Canadians--they have testified that Canada has become a socialist, globalist tyrannical nanny state that firmly supports open borders, mass immigration by foreigners that aren't compatible with Canadian traditions and culture--and seek to change Canada drastically--then there is the academic tyranny of forcing anyone and everyone to embrace an SJW, Globalist agenda--with dissenters persecuted, fired, and in some cases fined and put in prison; religious persecution against Christians--Christian preachers that preach and teach the Bible are harassed, fined, and arrested for "Hate Speech"--and of course, the uber-tyrannical Gun Control Laws that forbid Canadians from owning weapons essentially beyond a pellet gun.
That all sounds a whole lot like a Socialist, Globalist, SJW, Marxist shithole, wouldn't you agree, my friend?
That is not in any way equivalent to being Cuba or Venezuela, or the killing fields of Cambodia. There is no flood of refugees out from Canada. They have a higher life expectancy than the U.S., as well as a lower poverty rate and a lower suicide rate. I disapprove of Canada's free speech restrictions, but making out to be Cuba or Venezuela is nonsensical.
Also, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Greetings!
Jhkim, you just contradicted yourself. Having "Assault weapons bans" is tyrannical gun control and tyranny--so it isn't "False". Fucking Liberal Morons define "Assault weapons" as anything beyond a pellet gun. SEMI AUTOMATCIC RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Assault Rifles--as defined by the Nazis, who invented the first assault rifle in 1944, the Sturmgeveyr 44--defined as a rifle with a selector switch capable of semi auto fire--that's 1 shot per trigger pull--multi-round burst capability, and full auto weapons fire.
End of story.
Assault Weapons or Assault Rifles are no easier or less expensive to get here in America than they are in Canada. Genuine assault weapons are extremely difficult to purchase; they are very expensive; and you have to go through extensive background checks, licensing, fees, and other federal bureaucratic processes to obtain an assault rifle.
In America, for example, most of the few people that legally own assault weapons are very wealthy; specially licensed collectors; elite Hollywood producer/movie types, specially licensed firearms dealers and gunsmiths; or special, highly trained, elite mercenaries and professional security.
Canada has gun control laws that are more tyrannical than the BS laws in the state of California.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Well it's not like the USA is exactly a bastion of Paradise either.
My country is not perfect neither is the USA. Both have their merits and flaws and I will leave it at that.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: jhkimAlso, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Jhkim, you just contradicted yourself. Having "Assault weapons bans" is tyrannical gun control and tyranny--so it isn't "False". Fucking Liberal Morons define "Assault weapons" as anything beyond a pellet gun. SEMI AUTOMATCIC RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Regardless of whether the assault weapon ban is tyrranical -- your claim was that Canadian law forbid Canadians from owning weapons beyond a pellet gun. In fact, millions of Canadians legally own 12-gauge shotguns, 30-06 hunting rifles, .38 revolvers, and many other weapons that are objectively far more than a pellet gun.
I'm opposed to assault weapon and high capacity magazine bans, but it's idiotic hyperbole to claim that all other weapons are somehow useless pellet guns.
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 08:34:13 PM
Well it's not like the USA is exactly a bastion of Paradise either.
My country is not perfect neither is the USA. Both have their merits and flaws and I will leave it at that.
Greetings!
There you are, Sureshot. No, no one is a bastion of paradise. I was teasing you and being more or less *facetious*. ;D
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Westminster Parliament sucks.
Transfer payments suck.
Constitutional amendment formula sucks.
Canada as a political entity sucks donkey balls. Canada as a people is pretty good and the only thing really holding it together. We have a beautiful country and are rightly proud of it but our systems are broken and corrupt as hell.
Apparently 600 million over 5 years is the the new 30 pieces of silver.
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 08:55:27 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: jhkimAlso, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Jhkim, you just contradicted yourself. Having "Assault weapons bans" is tyrannical gun control and tyranny--so it isn't "False". Fucking Liberal Morons define "Assault weapons" as anything beyond a pellet gun. SEMI AUTOMATCIC RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Regardless of whether the assault weapon ban is tyrranical -- your claim was that Canadian law forbid Canadians from owning weapons beyond a pellet gun. In fact, millions of Canadians legally own 12-gauge shotguns, 30-06 hunting rifles, .38 revolvers, and many other weapons that are objectively far more than a pellet gun.
I'm opposed to assault weapon and high capacity magazine bans, but it's idiotic hyperbole to claim that all other weapons are somehow useless pellet guns.
Greetings!
*Sigh* Ok, Jhkim. I'm being idiotically hyperbolic?
I think you are being mind-numbingly literalististic and pedantic.
From my perspective--as someone that enjoys a very broad range of firearms freedoms--being restricted to .38 revolvers, 12-guage shotguns, and bolt-action, 30.06 hunting rifles--while yes, being more than a pellet gun--is still tragic, sad, and pathetic as a testimony of gun ownership and defined freedom, in comparison.
People that know about firearms and are pro-gun and anti-tyranny all seem to understand the comparison just fine. Everyone knows how fucking Communist and tyrannical California is, for example. *shrugs* I've had actual Canadians--some right here on this forum--tell me that Canada's gun laws are pathetic and tyrannical. Gun owners in Arizona, Texas, and more besides--many of which were all former Californians--that have fled the Communist state have all described the gun laws and the anti-gun regime in California and in states and countries with similar anti-gun policies in the same manner.
And, well, I'm originally from California as well, so I know how tyrannical and anti-gun that state has become over the years.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I've got a friend who's got a Canadian restricted firearms license and has worked for a company that supplies arms to the Canadian armed forces. In his opinion (which is certainly more valid than mine, I'm not even a gun owner) the problem with Canadian fire arms laws is that they're not written by people who know anything about firearms and the primary basis for banning weapons is how scary they look.
And I'm living in Canada. It's certainly no Cambodia. But said friend once observed that democratic socialism is actually more unfair that totalitarian communism and I think I agree with his reasoning. In communism, everyone has the right to work, in socialism the government gets to decide who doesn't have the right to work. Think about that. We are in a country where summer camps were denied government funding if they wouldn't sign a contract that violated tenants of their faith. Can you imagine a universal basic income under such a system. Believe what you're told or you don't eat. That's the ideology of the Liberal Party of Canada.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 09:13:29 PM
*Sigh* Ok, Jhkim. I'm being idiotically hyperbolic?
I think you are being mind-numbingly literalististic and pedantic.
From my perspective--as someone that enjoys a very broad range of firearms freedoms--being restricted to .38 revolvers, 12-guage shotguns, and bolt-action, 30.06 hunting rifles--while yes, being more than a pellet gun--is still tragic, sad, and pathetic as a testimony of gun ownership and defined freedom, in comparison.
OK, sorry about calling you "idiotic". But I'm tired of the extreme hyperbole in today's politics -- like Pundit's claiming all leftists are "ideological suicide bombers" and how they'll turn the U.S. into the killing fields of Cambodia. It's matched, of course, by leftist claims of how the right wing are fascists who will turn things into Nazi Germany. It particularly bugs me as we move into election time.
As I stated, Canada has more civilian guns per capita than any First World country other than the U.S. So I feel like the hyperbole is deceptive. There are many countries where firearms are far severely restricted -- like the UK, Japan, South Korea, or nearly any other First World country.
Cambodia didn't start out as a mass murder nightmare.
That's the socialism endgame. Not the starting point.
When America falls (not if, when), it's not going to be on a socialists first day in office. We didn't get to where we are in 2020 overnight. This is 50 years of the rats gnawing at the pillars of our nation.
However, the balls start rolling faster over time. Socialist victory begets socialist victory and each step marches toward greater control, greater orthodoxy and greater punishment for those who disobey in thought or deed.
Canada is playing footsies with socialism while importing Muslim extremists, so the death race is on to see whether the USA or the Canucks commit suicide first, oops, I mean become a progressive paradise of social justice...
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Oh, come on, my f.riend! Ummm..as I've been told by a good number of your fellow Canadians--they have testified that Canada has become a socialist, globalist tyrannical nanny state that firmly supports open borders, mass immigration by foreigners that aren't compatible with Canadian traditions and culture--and seek to change Canada drastically--then there is the academic tyranny of forcing anyone and everyone to embrace an SJW, Globalist agenda--with dissenters persecuted, fired, and in some cases fined and put in prison; religious persecution against Christians--Christian preachers that preach and teach the Bible are harassed, fined, and arrested for "Hate Speech"--and of course, the uber-tyrannical Gun Control Laws that forbid Canadians from owning weapons essentially beyond a pellet gun.
That all sounds a whole lot like a Socialist, Globalist, SJW, Marxist shithole, wouldn't you agree, my friend?
That is not in any way equivalent to being Cuba or Venezuela, or the killing fields of Cambodia. There is no flood of refugees out from Canada. They have a higher life expectancy than the U.S., as well as a lower poverty rate and a lower suicide rate. I disapprove of Canada's free speech restrictions, but making out to be Cuba or Venezuela is nonsensical.
Also, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Greetings!
Jhkim, you just contradicted yourself. Having "Assault weapons bans" is tyrannical gun control and tyranny--so it isn't "False". Fucking Liberal Morons define "Assault weapons" as anything beyond a pellet gun. SEMI AUTOMATCIC RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Assault Rifles--as defined by the Nazis, who invented the first assault rifle in 1944, the Sturmgeveyr 44--defined as a rifle with a selector switch capable of semi auto fire--that's 1 shot per trigger pull--multi-round burst capability, and full auto weapons fire.
End of story.
Assault Weapons or Assault Rifles are no easier or less expensive to get here in America than they are in Canada. Genuine assault weapons are extremely difficult to purchase; they are very expensive; and you have to go through extensive background checks, licensing, fees, and other federal bureaucratic processes to obtain an assault rifle.
In America, for example, most of the few people that legally own assault weapons are very wealthy; specially licensed collectors; elite Hollywood producer/movie types, specially licensed firearms dealers and gunsmiths; or special, highly trained, elite mercenaries and professional security.
Canada has gun control laws that are more tyrannical than the BS laws in the state of California.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I, for one, am totally unsuprised to see that SHARK draws his definitions from the Nazis. For this issue, and likely a whole lot more.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:35:16 AM
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
Quote from: sureshot on October 18, 2020, 11:27:07 AM
I am Canadian what is wrong with Canada. It's not perfect no country is.
Quote from: SHARK on October 18, 2020, 04:44:21 PM
Oh, come on, my f.riend! Ummm..as I've been told by a good number of your fellow Canadians--they have testified that Canada has become a socialist, globalist tyrannical nanny state that firmly supports open borders, mass immigration by foreigners that aren't compatible with Canadian traditions and culture--and seek to change Canada drastically--then there is the academic tyranny of forcing anyone and everyone to embrace an SJW, Globalist agenda--with dissenters persecuted, fired, and in some cases fined and put in prison; religious persecution against Christians--Christian preachers that preach and teach the Bible are harassed, fined, and arrested for "Hate Speech"--and of course, the uber-tyrannical Gun Control Laws that forbid Canadians from owning weapons essentially beyond a pellet gun.
That all sounds a whole lot like a Socialist, Globalist, SJW, Marxist shithole, wouldn't you agree, my friend?
That is not in any way equivalent to being Cuba or Venezuela, or the killing fields of Cambodia. There is no flood of refugees out from Canada. They have a higher life expectancy than the U.S., as well as a lower poverty rate and a lower suicide rate. I disapprove of Canada's free speech restrictions, but making out to be Cuba or Venezuela is nonsensical.
Also, some of this is false. Canada has a growing number of restrictions in recent years - most recently the assault weapon ban, but they still have some 4 million gun owners owning 20 million or so guns - mostly rifles and shotguns. They are second only to the U.S. in gun ownership within the First World. (#7 among all countries, behind the Falkland Islands, Yemen, and Serbia.)
https://thegunblog.ca/facts-stats/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
Greetings!
Jhkim, you just contradicted yourself. Having "Assault weapons bans" is tyrannical gun control and tyranny--so it isn't "False". Fucking Liberal Morons define "Assault weapons" as anything beyond a pellet gun. SEMI AUTOMATCIC RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS.
Assault Rifles--as defined by the Nazis, who invented the first assault rifle in 1944, the Sturmgeveyr 44--defined as a rifle with a selector switch capable of semi auto fire--that's 1 shot per trigger pull--multi-round burst capability, and full auto weapons fire.
End of story.
Assault Weapons or Assault Rifles are no easier or less expensive to get here in America than they are in Canada. Genuine assault weapons are extremely difficult to purchase; they are very expensive; and you have to go through extensive background checks, licensing, fees, and other federal bureaucratic processes to obtain an assault rifle.
In America, for example, most of the few people that legally own assault weapons are very wealthy; specially licensed collectors; elite Hollywood producer/movie types, specially licensed firearms dealers and gunsmiths; or special, highly trained, elite mercenaries and professional security.
Canada has gun control laws that are more tyrannical than the BS laws in the state of California.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I, for one, am totally unsuprised to see that SHARK draws his definitions from the Nazis. For this issue, and likely a whole lot more.
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
I'm gonna buy a new gun this week, just to piss some people off :D
Personally I want the capability to make guns and ammunition rather than purchasing guns. Three d printed firearms have come a long way and can even be used in a process that creates a rifled barrel in your kitchen sink using reverse electroplating. But I'd rather have a decent little machine shop. Sten guns are very simple and get the job done.
Ammunition's harder, I suppose you could go black powder, probably not the best in a fully automatic weapon as they're dirtier.
Here it comes King Arthur Pendragon the full Woke edition. No doubt featuring to Mothers not dying in child birth, Lesbian and Gay marriages with miraculous births and a fully diverse Britain especially the great barons and Round Table knights, Arthur, Guinevere Et al
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Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Greetings!
"Assault Weapons" is a term made up by politicians and the media as a blanket term for what they believe to be "Assault Rifles" based on if the weapon resembles a weapon used by the military, and otherwise looks "EVIL'.
The entire anti-gun industry and political machine is built on "Assault Weapon" hysteria and anti-gun propaganda. The vast majority of these people are Hoplophobes and Marxist tyrants that want an unarmed populace of helpless, obedient sheep.
The term *Hoplophobe* was coined many years ago by the great Colonel Cooper, who described such people as having an irrational fear and hatred of firearms, and by extension, an irrational hostility towards those that are firearms owners.
Politicians and the media constantly hold up AR-15's as *Assault Weapons". AR-15's, or any semi-automatic rifle in the world are not assault weapons. They are simply what they are--semi-automatic rifles. That uncomfortable fact doesn't mesh well with their fucking propaganda and anti-gun and tyrannical agenda though, because their goal is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Greetings!
"Assault Weapons" is a term made up by politicians and the media as a blanket term for what they believe to be "Assault Rifles" based on if the weapon resembles a weapon used by the military, and otherwise looks "EVIL'.
The entire anti-gun industry and political machine is built on "Assault Weapon" hysteria and anti-gun propaganda. The vast majority of these people are Hoplophobes and Marxist tyrants that want an unarmed populace of helpless, obedient sheep.
The term *Hoplophobe* was coined many years ago by the great Colonel Cooper, who described such people as having an irrational fear and hatred of firearms, and by extension, an irrational hostility towards those that are firearms owners.
Politicians and the media constantly hold up AR-15's as *Assault Weapons". AR-15's, or any semi-automatic rifle in the world are not assault weapons. They are simply what they are--semi-automatic rifles. That uncomfortable fact doesn't mesh well with their fucking propaganda and anti-gun and tyrannical agenda though, because their goal is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You're right about politicians making up the definitions (multiple, varying by location) of assault weapons. Those are legal definitions used by State and Federal authorities. Regardless of your feelings about how these definitions came about, you look like an idiot when you willfully conflate them with assault rifles (which they are not).
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Greetings!
"Assault Weapons" is a term made up by politicians and the media as a blanket term for what they believe to be "Assault Rifles" based on if the weapon resembles a weapon used by the military, and otherwise looks "EVIL'.
The entire anti-gun industry and political machine is built on "Assault Weapon" hysteria and anti-gun propaganda. The vast majority of these people are Hoplophobes and Marxist tyrants that want an unarmed populace of helpless, obedient sheep.
The term *Hoplophobe* was coined many years ago by the great Colonel Cooper, who described such people as having an irrational fear and hatred of firearms, and by extension, an irrational hostility towards those that are firearms owners.
Politicians and the media constantly hold up AR-15's as *Assault Weapons". AR-15's, or any semi-automatic rifle in the world are not assault weapons. They are simply what they are--semi-automatic rifles. That uncomfortable fact doesn't mesh well with their fucking propaganda and anti-gun and tyrannical agenda though, because their goal is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You're right about politicians making up the definitions (multiple, varying by location) of assault weapons. Those are legal definitions used by State and Federal authorities. Regardless of your feelings about how these definitions came about, you look like an idiot when you willfully conflate them with assault rifles (which they are not).
Greetings!
Anti gun politicians and anti-gun media "Journalists" use the terms interchangeably all the fucking time.
I KNOW that semi-automatic rifles are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES.
I even gave you a brief history lesson on where assault rifles come from, and when they were invented. Assault Rifles are defined legitimately as weapons that are capable of full auto fire. Semi-automatic rifles, by definition, are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES. The media and the anti-gun lobby and anti-gun politicians get those facts confused all the time--which isn't innocuous confusion--but purposeful conflation and propaganda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Greetings!
"Assault Weapons" is a term made up by politicians and the media as a blanket term for what they believe to be "Assault Rifles" based on if the weapon resembles a weapon used by the military, and otherwise looks "EVIL'.
The entire anti-gun industry and political machine is built on "Assault Weapon" hysteria and anti-gun propaganda. The vast majority of these people are Hoplophobes and Marxist tyrants that want an unarmed populace of helpless, obedient sheep.
The term *Hoplophobe* was coined many years ago by the great Colonel Cooper, who described such people as having an irrational fear and hatred of firearms, and by extension, an irrational hostility towards those that are firearms owners.
Politicians and the media constantly hold up AR-15's as *Assault Weapons". AR-15's, or any semi-automatic rifle in the world are not assault weapons. They are simply what they are--semi-automatic rifles. That uncomfortable fact doesn't mesh well with their fucking propaganda and anti-gun and tyrannical agenda though, because their goal is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You're right about politicians making up the definitions (multiple, varying by location) of assault weapons. Those are legal definitions used by State and Federal authorities. Regardless of your feelings about how these definitions came about, you look like an idiot when you willfully conflate them with assault rifles (which they are not).
Greetings!
Anti gun politicians and anti-gun media "Journalists" use the terms interchangeably all the fucking time.
I KNOW that semi-automatic rifles are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES.
I even gave you a brief history lesson on where assault rifles come from, and when they were invented. Assault Rifles are defined legitimately as weapons that are capable of full auto fire. Semi-automatic rifles, by definition, are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES. The media and the anti-gun lobby and anti-gun politicians get those facts confused all the time--which isn't innocuous confusion--but purposeful conflation and propaganda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
So back in post #392, you knew the difference but purposefully conflated them then. You even said "SEMI AUTOMATCIC (sic) RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS" which is false, as many assault weapons are semi-automatic rifles (other assault weapons are semi-automatic pistols or shotguns). You then deliberately tried to throw the trail off by switching to discussing assault rifles (which are not, by definition, assault weapons).
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 07:32:15 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 19, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Quote from: SHARK on October 19, 2020, 06:07:03 AM
Greetings!
My "definition" is based on the HISTORICAL FACTS. The Germans invented the world's first true *Assault Rifle*. Just like the Germans developed the first Ballistic Missile (The V2 Ballistic Missile), the first Cruise Missile (The V1 Cruise Missile), and the first operational Jet fighter, (The ME 262).
Anti-gun, cum-guzzling SJW's do not get to define what an "Assault Weapon" is simply because REEE! It looks EVIL!
I know though, SJW's are all about the emotions, and never like to let FACTS and HISTORICAL TRUTH get in the way of their ideology or policies.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
SHARK, you ignorant slut, you're mixing up the definitions of assault rifles with assault weapons. The two are not the same.
Greetings!
"Assault Weapons" is a term made up by politicians and the media as a blanket term for what they believe to be "Assault Rifles" based on if the weapon resembles a weapon used by the military, and otherwise looks "EVIL'.
The entire anti-gun industry and political machine is built on "Assault Weapon" hysteria and anti-gun propaganda. The vast majority of these people are Hoplophobes and Marxist tyrants that want an unarmed populace of helpless, obedient sheep.
The term *Hoplophobe* was coined many years ago by the great Colonel Cooper, who described such people as having an irrational fear and hatred of firearms, and by extension, an irrational hostility towards those that are firearms owners.
Politicians and the media constantly hold up AR-15's as *Assault Weapons". AR-15's, or any semi-automatic rifle in the world are not assault weapons. They are simply what they are--semi-automatic rifles. That uncomfortable fact doesn't mesh well with their fucking propaganda and anti-gun and tyrannical agenda though, because their goal is to get rid of the 2nd Amendment and disarm American citizens.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
You're right about politicians making up the definitions (multiple, varying by location) of assault weapons. Those are legal definitions used by State and Federal authorities. Regardless of your feelings about how these definitions came about, you look like an idiot when you willfully conflate them with assault rifles (which they are not).
Greetings!
Anti gun politicians and anti-gun media "Journalists" use the terms interchangeably all the fucking time.
I KNOW that semi-automatic rifles are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES.
I even gave you a brief history lesson on where assault rifles come from, and when they were invented. Assault Rifles are defined legitimately as weapons that are capable of full auto fire. Semi-automatic rifles, by definition, are NOT ASSAULT RIFLES. The media and the anti-gun lobby and anti-gun politicians get those facts confused all the time--which isn't innocuous confusion--but purposeful conflation and propaganda.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
So back in post #392, you knew the difference but purposefully conflated them then. You even said "SEMI AUTOMATCIC (sic) RIFLES ARE NOT ASSAULT WEAPONS" which is false, as many assault weapons are semi-automatic rifles (other assault weapons are semi-automatic pistols or shotguns). You then deliberately tried to throw the trail off by switching to discussing assault rifles (which are not, by definition, assault weapons).
Greetings!
HappyDaze, the term "Assault Weapon" is used throughout politicians and the media as being synonymous with *Assault Rifle". Beyond that, "Assault Weapon" is a phony, manufactured term used by politicians and bureaucrats to vilify gun and gun owners. I don't consider anti-gun politicians definition of "Assault Weapons" as in any way legitimate. It's all anti-gun BS and propaganda.
An Assault Rifle is, intrinsically, an assault weapon. There is only one legitimate definition. A Sturmgeveyr 44, an M-16A2, an AK-47 are all rifles. They are all capable of automatic fire, which makes them all generally assault weapons.
Hopefully, that makes sense to you now.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Greetings!
Geesus. Well, HappyDaze, you already seem to believe that I'm some kind of uber alt-right idiot. I have read the definition of Assault Weapon on Wikipedia, where it talks about the whole confusion of terms, and how they have been generally conflated. However, the distinction is purely a *political* definition, which has been manufactured by politicians and anti-gun activists, as I have said.
In a general sense, a technical and historical definition--which is what I intended--all assault rifles, submachine guns, machine pistols, and automatic shot guns are *Assault Weapons* with an automatic rifle obviously being an Assault Rifle. Notice the commonality. They are all weapons solely or capable of full automatic fire. That is what an Assault Weapon is. That is the definition I have always understood by fellow members of the military, by military veterans, by gun owners and firearms historians and other firearms experts.
The fucking politicians and anti-gun activists have come along and manufactured the term *Assault Weapons* and given them and the term an entirely different definition--that being a term referring to semi-automatic weapons that use high capacity magazines, have pistol grips, and otherwise look like evil military weapons.
As I alluded to previously, precisely fuck no, a semi-automatic rifle is not, and cannot be an ASSAULT WEAPON. I don't give a fuck what the politicians or their stupid tyrannical laws say or define it as. They are wrong.
So, yeah. Assault Rifles are Assault Weapons, though not all Assault Weapons are Assault Rifles. Some Assault Weapons are for example, submachine guns, machine pistols, and automatic shotguns. Such weapons are or may also be considered assault weapons, but they are not assault rifles because they are not intrinsically rifles.
And yeah, fuck anyone who believes that an Assault Weapon is a semi-automatic rifle. I know the fucking state of California believes that, just like all the cock-sucking anti-gun politicians and activists.
Fuck them, and fuck their goddamned phony, made-up definitions to words. Just like SJW's and other Marxist scum, they twist and shae entirely new definitions of words so they can make new laws and policies to fuck the American citizen and bring in tyranny and absolute state control.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on October 20, 2020, 03:10:28 AM
Greetings!
Geesus. Well, HappyDaze, you already seem to believe that I'm some kind of uber alt-right idiot. I have read the definition of Assault Weapon on Wikipedia, where it talks about the whole confusion of terms, and how they have been generally conflated. However, the distinction is purely a *political* definition, which has been manufactured by politicians and anti-gun activists, as I have said.
In a general sense, a technical and historical definition--which is what I intended--all assault rifles, submachine guns, machine pistols, and automatic shot guns are *Assault Weapons* with an automatic rifle obviously being an Assault Rifle. Notice the commonality. They are all weapons solely or capable of full automatic fire. That is what an Assault Weapon is. That is the definition I have always understood by fellow members of the military, by military veterans, by gun owners and firearms historians and other firearms experts.
The fucking politicians and anti-gun activists have come along and manufactured the term *Assault Weapons* and given them and the term an entirely different definition--that being a term referring to semi-automatic weapons that use high capacity magazines, have pistol grips, and otherwise look like evil military weapons.
As I alluded to previously, precisely fuck no, a semi-automatic rifle is not, and cannot be an ASSAULT WEAPON. I don't give a fuck what the politicians or their stupid tyrannical laws say or define it as. They are wrong.
So, yeah. Assault Rifles are Assault Weapons, though not all Assault Weapons are Assault Rifles. Some Assault Weapons are for example, submachine guns, machine pistols, and automatic shotguns. Such weapons are or may also be considered assault weapons, but they are not assault rifles because they are not intrinsically rifles.
And yeah, fuck anyone who believes that an Assault Weapon is a semi-automatic rifle. I know the fucking state of California believes that, just like all the cock-sucking anti-gun politicians and activists.
Fuck them, and fuck their goddamned phony, made-up definitions to words. Just like SJW's and other Marxist scum, they twist and shae entirely new definitions of words so they can make new laws and policies to fuck the American citizen and bring in tyranny and absolute state control.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
So, just to be clear:
Nazis make up term "assault rifle" to describe an automatic rifle, and you're OK with that.
Not-Nazis make up term "assault weapon" to describe high-capacity semi-automatic firearms of various types with "military features" from a list, and you can't accept that.
It's like certain people have a vested interest in labeling firearms with scary names. Shocking!
And said people are entirely untrustworthy, as they will happily move on to trying to get rid of any other firearms.
But no, we're just being paranoid, that couldn't happen.
As somebody that's actually TAKEN a firearms safety course, I actually know the legal definition of what an assault weapon is (in Massachusetts), and its mainly manufactured bupkus.
Guess what? Silencers and under-barrel grenade launchers are illegal on their own. While an assault weapon might just need to have an attached flashlight and under grip to be considered an 'Assault' weapon.
Any weapon with the ability to reload itself with a mechanism and fire a single shot per press is a semi-automatic. Outside of revolvers because the mechanism isn't mechanical enough or something.
So a rifle that can fire 4 shots (more than 1 shot is 'high capacity') without reloading, has a flashlight and an under-grip is an 'Assault Weapon'.
It's a political invention made purely to muddy the waters.
Its like if jaywalking, arson, and loitering were called a new type of crime called 'MEGARAPE'.
What is even the point of having a gun without an under barrel grenade launcher?
:o
I knew a woman who called any gun a "Murder Stick". I never understood that. It's not a stick, nor does it stick to things. A very queer thing to say. As far as classifying them as Assault Weapons, I've never seen a firearm get up and assault ANYONE. Obvious slander against a tool.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 22, 2020, 09:01:15 PM
As somebody that's actually TAKEN a firearms safety course, I actually know the legal definition of what an assault weapon is (in Massachusetts), and its mainly manufactured bupkus.
I agree that the U.S. assault weapon bans are dumb - especially because they're based on the look of the gun, and not on how deadly it actually is. I'm also opposed to red flag laws where courts can take away someone's right to guns even if they have not committed any crime. There are also a number of cumbersome piecemeal gun laws which make hassle for legal gun owners.
That said, there are some gun laws that I consider reasonable - like waiting periods, universal background checks, blocking access based on convicted crimes like domestic violence, required gun registration, and funding research into gun violence.
Quote from: jhkim on October 23, 2020, 02:03:52 AMThat said, there are some gun laws that I consider reasonable - like waiting periods, universal background checks, blocking access based on convicted crimes like domestic violence, required gun registration, and funding research into gun violence.
While there can be back and forth about the debate about such laws, I dislike laws the most that are made in bad faith. By the kind of people that just want to get all guns banned completely so they try to ban them piecemeal.
Quote from: jhkim on October 23, 2020, 02:03:52 AM
That said, there are some gun laws that I consider reasonable - like waiting periods, universal background checks, blocking access based on convicted crimes like domestic violence, required gun registration, and funding research into gun violence.
It never ends there and it never will, which is why most gun owners nowadays have no interest in compromise or 'reasonable' gun laws. We've seen how it goes, particularly in England; the 'slippery slope' isn't a fallacy if you can prove it occurs.
I wonder if you'd accept some of these restrictions on your First Amendment rights.
Waiting periods are garbage.
Universal background checks? We already have them. Form 4473. Don't blame me if your cocksucking DAs won't prosecute for 4473 falsification.
Blocking access based on crimes? We have that too. Wonder why those charges never get pressed? Ask your local cocksucker of a DA.
Gun registration? Fuck you, statist.
Funding research into gun violence? We did that already and they buried the results because lo and behold, guns don't cause violent crime. Color me shocked.
Gun registration...didn't another country implement that before they confiscated all the guns and started gassing people?
Quote from: Brad on October 23, 2020, 09:13:41 AM
Gun registration...didn't another country implement that before they confiscated all the guns and started gassing people?
While true, its kinda a disingenuous argument to make in a way in the same vein as:
'Drinking water huh? Didn't another countries leader drink water before-'
A much more fair argument is to simply argue for the necessity of firearms as a public defense from the government (or otherwise).
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 09:22:39 AMWhile true, its kinda a disingenuous argument to make in a way in the same vein as:
'Drinking water huh? Didn't another countries leader drink water before-'
A much more fair argument is to simply argue for the necessity of firearms as a public defense from the government (or otherwise).
It's really not disingenuous, though. The sorts of people who push for gun registration are the ones who don't like you owning one in the first place.
Quote from: Brad on October 23, 2020, 09:28:21 AMIt's really not disingenuous, though. The sorts of people who push for gun registration are the ones who don't like you owning one in the first place.
Yes, but they are not necessarily NAZIS because of their (in my opinion misplaced) beliefs.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 10:04:17 AM
Quote from: Brad on October 23, 2020, 09:28:21 AMIt's really not disingenuous, though. The sorts of people who push for gun registration are the ones who don't like you owning one in the first place.
Yes, but they are not necessarily NAZIS because of their (in my opinion misplaced) beliefs.
No, but they ARE statists and authoritarians, the kind of people you don't want in power.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 10:04:17 AMYes, but they are not necessarily NAZIS because of their (in my opinion misplaced) beliefs.
Yeah I know, but I just thought it was funny because of all the HITLER DRANK WATER TRUMP DRINKS WATER TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER bullshit all over the place when this is a specific example that is actually appropriate.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 10:23:11 AM
No, but they ARE statists and authoritarians, the kind of people you don't want in power.
Not necessarily. Many just don't think the logic through. They see or hear something bad and want to do something about it on gut instinct.
So please restate this logic?
Why should you have the ability to keep me from owning a firearm, when it's my right to defend myself?
What does it matter if my weapon is automatic or semi-automatic? What difference does it make if it's "suppressed" or not? I am not going around breaking laws with it.
And if you can enforce this ability to keep me from practicing my rights, logically, you can enforce this ability to keep me from practicing any of my other rights.
Which is more important - your ability to deny me my rights, or my ability to engage in my rights?
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 10:23:11 AM
No, but they ARE statists and authoritarians, the kind of people you don't want in power.
Not necessarily. Many just don't think the logic through. They see or hear something bad and want to do something about it on gut instinct.
Greetings!
Fair enough, I'll grant. However, these are the same kind of mindless, ignorant sheep that are perfectly willing to sacrifice their own Liberty--and yours as well--so that they can "feel more secure". Few of these people have any real understanding of American Liberty, as founded and set forth by our Founding Fathers.
Inherently, within maximum freedom and strong restraints on an ever-hungry, powerful federal government, there are a whole host of margins of error, of danger, offense, accidents, and risk--no one is entitled to absolute security, absolute safety, and so on, as America prioritizes Liberty above safety and security. Maximum Liberty is *assumed* into the people, with the Constitution setting forth NOT what you and I can or cannot do, so much as it aims at setting forth what the government cannot do. Just like the 2nd Amendment makes it clear that you can own a whole armoury of weapons, warehouses of ammunition--and you need justify or explain, or beg permission from no one, no group, nor any power or authority. YOU are assumed innocent, righteous, and equal to attending to your own affairs and purposes, as a free man and citizen. YOUR rights to own firearms are ONLY abrogated when you have been condemned by a felony.
I've heard many say, "Well, what about crazy psychopaths and murderers?"
They must be punished appropriately and swiftly by the government or legal authorities. Because someone, somewhere, may choose to violate a law--does not make it just so that some government power can restrict YOUR Liberty and authority.
It's a subtle differentiation on rights, but it maximizes Liberty, independence, and authority to the common citizen, not making everyone into cowering sheep always seeking permission and begging approval from the government or groups of timid, fearful citizens alike.
Many people really do not understand the scope of our founding Liberty and how much freedom and responsibility is placed in the hands of the individual citizen. So many, many people are willing to make you into a helpless slave and perpetual victim so that they do not have to take responsibility for their own lives, their own security, and their own communities.
The weak, mindless sheep so eager to kneel to the government--or the criminal--really frustrates me.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 11:03:18 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 10:23:11 AM
No, but they ARE statists and authoritarians, the kind of people you don't want in power.
Not necessarily. Many just don't think the logic through. They see or hear something bad and want to do something about it on gut instinct.
And that's how you GET statists and authoritarians and Nazis in power.
People screaming 'Do something!' without contemplating the consequences.
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Quote from: SHARK on October 23, 2020, 11:23:03 AMFair enough, I'll grant. However, these are the same kind of mindless, ignorant sheep that are perfectly willing to sacrifice their own Liberty--and yours as well--so that they can "feel more secure". Few of these people have any real understanding of American Liberty, as founded and set forth by our Founding Fathers.
Most people process information on gut instinct. That's just the nature of reality. That doesn't mean I hate them for it. Because in general, they will end up suffering the consequences (or their children). Even the people that were the rebels in the USA revolution and the like where mostly following instinct and what sounded cool from the people in charge. To hate the everyman is to hate 99.9999999% of all humanity at its highest and lowest point.
It's the authoritarian 'Educated' class that I save my loathing for.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
People screaming 'Do something!' without contemplating the consequences.
But that's most people =p. However, I don't think that makes most people nazis. People, in general, don't like thinking things through.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 23, 2020, 12:48:54 PM
But that's most people =p. However, I don't think that makes most people nazis. People, in general, don't like thinking things through.
I didn't say that's what makes most people nazis.
I said that's how you get statists/authoritarians/nazis in power.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 01:18:05 PMI said that's how you get statists/authoritarians/nazis in power.
It's also how anybody ever gets to power.
Quote from: Gagarth on October 23, 2020, 12:31:02 PM
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https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/ (https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/)
I dont get it - by my calculation 100% of Queens have been female and 100% of Kings have been male.
Quote from: Shasarak on October 23, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 23, 2020, 12:31:02 PM
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30:40
https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/ (https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/)
I dont get it - by my calculation 100% of Queens have been female and 100% of Kings have been male.
Shut up! You're speaking logic, trying to defeat FEELINGS! How dare you attack the righteous reds of the 21st century! HOW DARE YOU???
On a side note, most people don't understand if one is being facetious on the internet. Strange that without the 'REEEEEEE-' it almost makes me sound serious!
On the other side of note, I suppose if people want to play something and NEED official rules for it, they can always create an ezine. Then again, how can you build whilst in the middle of destroying other's fun? Meh. I actually can't wait to see this become marginalized again, if it can ever be. :(
Quote from: Shasarak on October 23, 2020, 04:58:57 PM
Quote from: Gagarth on October 23, 2020, 12:31:02 PM
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https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/ (https://www.whatwouldthesmartpartydo.com/)
I dont get it - by my calculation 100% of Queens have been female and 100% of Kings have been male.
I am assuming this is serious because I don't see anything to to indicate otherwise. There are many Dukes, Counts, Barons and Knights listed in the various Pendragon supplements the vast majority based on the source material. The woke Marxist scum want a political commissar to go through these and apply fucking quotas similar to the quotas we have seen from the Oscars and the BFI.
Of course the same Neo-Marxist scum are ok with 100% female.
(https://www.evilhat.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/TSL-Marquee.jpg)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/thirsty-sword-lesbians (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evilhat/thirsty-sword-lesbians)
Yeah ugly as fucking hell women. Seriously show this to our troops and they will surrender to the enemy forces tomorrow at the latest. This shit is killing my morale.
Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 24, 2020, 08:21:03 AM
Yeah ugly as fucking hell women. Seriously show this to our troops and they will surrender to the enemy forces tomorrow at the latest. This shit is killing my morale.
Dude, if a bunch of bad drag queen art kills your morale, don't ever go to California. ;D
Quote from: jeff37923 on October 24, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 24, 2020, 08:21:03 AM
Yeah ugly as fucking hell women. Seriously show this to our troops and they will surrender to the enemy forces tomorrow at the latest. This shit is killing my morale.
Dude, if a bunch of bad drag queen art kills your morale, don't ever go to California. ;D
I can't make joke about how ugly the art is?
Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 24, 2020, 09:21:17 AM
Quote from: jeff37923 on October 24, 2020, 08:40:12 AM
Quote from: Snowman0147 on October 24, 2020, 08:21:03 AM
Yeah ugly as fucking hell women. Seriously show this to our troops and they will surrender to the enemy forces tomorrow at the latest. This shit is killing my morale.
Dude, if a bunch of bad drag queen art kills your morale, don't ever go to California. ;D
I can't make joke about how ugly the art is?
Sure you can. I'm not trying to stop you.
I just think that the art is deliberately ugly. And California is full of ugly drag queens.
Quote from: jeff37923 on October 24, 2020, 02:38:48 PM
I just think that the art is deliberately ugly. And California is full of ugly drag queens.
Yup. 60% of the pleasure is pissing people off. So learn to stop reacting too it.
These sorts of projects get most of their support in being 'Oppositional' they don't stand for something. Unless a dedicated hatedom develops, these things never have enough fans to get them anywhere.
Ran across this video which shows how Facebook manipulates and censors conservatives from the viewpoint of a former employee.
Humans like to be enslaved.
That sounds harsh, but grab a world history book and do a page count for the "era of democracy and freedom" vs. the "eras of tyranny". Humans prefer a pyramid shaped governing model. We're just living through a historic anomaly.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 23, 2020, 07:51:03 AM
It never ends there and it never will, which is why most gun owners nowadays have no interest in compromise or 'reasonable' gun laws. We've seen how it goes, particularly in England; the 'slippery slope' isn't a fallacy if you can prove it occurs.
Also Australia, New Zealand from what I have read.
Some Roll20 bollocks
Quote3. Add artwork and games by Black creators to the Roll20 Marketplace. We're still in the outreach phase of this commitment, but we have some progress we'd like to share. First, we've budgeted a dedicated number of work hours from our production team to make this commitment a reality. That means that our production team has set-aside hours devoted to adding artwork and games by Black creators to the Roll20 Marketplace. This is part of making good on our promise to take on the costs of putting work from Black creators on to the Marketplace to reduce the barrier to entry. Second, we've set an internal goal to have at least four games helmed by Black creators signed to appear on the marketplace by the end of 2020. At Roll20Con, we announced Companions' Tale and Esper Genesis. Expect to see the first of these projects available on the Marketplace later this year.
4. Create change internally. We're revamping our internal Anti-Oppression and Anti-Racist employee education with the help of the McKensie Mack Group. We also mentioned in the post from June that we'd be adding a social justice expert to the Roll20 advisory board. We're happy to announce we're in the final stages of the interview process for this position.
Quote from: tenbones on October 23, 2020, 11:13:40 AM
So please restate this logic?
Why should you have the ability to keep me from owning a firearm, when it's my right to defend myself?
What does it matter if my weapon is automatic or semi-automatic? What difference does it make if it's "suppressed" or not? I am not going around breaking laws with it.
And if you can enforce this ability to keep me from practicing my rights, logically, you can enforce this ability to keep me from practicing any of my other rights.
Which is more important - your ability to deny me my rights, or my ability to engage in my rights?
Exactly this. ANY LIMIT ON ARMS OF ANY TYPE is in direct violation of the Constitution. Just because they have managed to get some laws passed doesn't make them right. This is a direct consequence of activist judges dereliction of duty in applying the law as written, not to make laws because of their ideology. I should, if I can afford it, be able to buy any weapon. Of course I will have to answer for it if I make illegal use of it, but otherwise it is no one's business, particularly our governments. As tenbones points out quite succinctly, any abridgement of our endowed rights allows abridgement of any of our rights. It's exactly why the framers held the right to bear arms only second to freedom of speech.
Quote from: shuddemell on October 30, 2020, 11:21:09 AM
Exactly this. ANY LIMIT ON ARMS OF ANY TYPE is in direct violation of the Constitution. Just because they have managed to get some laws passed doesn't make them right. This is a direct consequence of activist judges dereliction of duty in applying the law as written, not to make laws because of their ideology. I should, if I can afford it, be able to buy any weapon. Of course I will have to answer for it if I make illegal use of it, but otherwise it is no one's business, particularly our governments. As tenbones points out quite succinctly, any abridgement of our endowed rights allows abridgement of any of our rights. It's exactly why the framers held the right to bear arms only second to freedom of speech.
I once made a pretty good argument that you could block private ownership of nukes on the grounds that it would violate the Non-Proliferation Act (which the U.S. is still a signatory to).
However, if you can afford anything else...
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 02, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on October 30, 2020, 11:21:09 AM
Exactly this. ANY LIMIT ON ARMS OF ANY TYPE is in direct violation of the Constitution. Just because they have managed to get some laws passed doesn't make them right. This is a direct consequence of activist judges dereliction of duty in applying the law as written, not to make laws because of their ideology. I should, if I can afford it, be able to buy any weapon. Of course I will have to answer for it if I make illegal use of it, but otherwise it is no one's business, particularly our governments. As tenbones points out quite succinctly, any abridgement of our endowed rights allows abridgement of any of our rights. It's exactly why the framers held the right to bear arms only second to freedom of speech.
I once made a pretty good argument that you could block private ownership of nukes on the grounds that it would violate the Non-Proliferation Act (which the U.S. is still a signatory to).
However, if you can afford anything else...
When I was younger, I wanted a tacnuke, but then I grew up and wanted a Strategic 250MT Nuke (for home security!). Now in my old dottage, I'd like an orbital Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) in the 700 Megajule range (for defense against home invasion by aliens that David Icke keeps talking about). I hope one goes on sale before the apocalypse finishes - I only have a small bent plastic spoon to protect myself right now. :'( I'm afraid I'm not very diverse in my divergence tonight...
Quote from: Ghostmaker on November 02, 2020, 09:08:37 AM
Quote from: shuddemell on October 30, 2020, 11:21:09 AM
Exactly this. ANY LIMIT ON ARMS OF ANY TYPE is in direct violation of the Constitution. Just because they have managed to get some laws passed doesn't make them right. This is a direct consequence of activist judges dereliction of duty in applying the law as written, not to make laws because of their ideology. I should, if I can afford it, be able to buy any weapon. Of course I will have to answer for it if I make illegal use of it, but otherwise it is no one's business, particularly our governments. As tenbones points out quite succinctly, any abridgement of our endowed rights allows abridgement of any of our rights. It's exactly why the framers held the right to bear arms only second to freedom of speech.
I once made a pretty good argument that you could block private ownership of nukes on the grounds that it would violate the Non-Proliferation Act (which the U.S. is still a signatory to).
However, if you can afford anything else...
Well the USA is apparently now willing to sell MOABs to allies (Israel) so maybe they'd be open to allowing private citizens to have one?
It's not like the Founding Fathers didn't have ship mounted guns as part of their private merchant fleets. Air power is as much a part of modern life as ship cannons were back then. No reason I can't have a personal air force.
Except for being a dumbass Canucklehead of course.
Quote from: KingCheops on November 03, 2020, 01:11:20 PM
Well the USA is apparently now willing to sell MOABs to allies (Israel) so maybe they'd be open to allowing private citizens to have one?
It's not like the Founding Fathers didn't have ship mounted guns as part of their private merchant fleets. Air power is as much a part of modern life as ship cannons were back then. No reason I can't have a personal air force.
Except for being a dumbass Canucklehead of course.
Quite true.
Of course, my comment is 'you buy it, you're responsible for it'. That's one of the big problems we have. Personal responsibility is practically a dirty word these days.
I once suggested that if you really wanted to stamp out 'gun violence'? You disallow any plea deals with firearms charges, and you treat ANY crime committed with a firearm as premeditated. And before some smartass pipes up, no, self-defense is not a crime.
But then that would require certain people to show a little spine when dealing with outlaws.
Whoa there buddy. Proper trigger discipline is white supremacy. It's not the fault of that innocent little gang banger that that gun went off 10 times in that officer's back. It's the fault of the white patriarchy.
Quote from: KingCheops on November 04, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Whoa there buddy. Proper trigger discipline is white supremacy. It's not the fault of that innocent little gang banger that that gun went off 10 times in that officer's back. It's the fault of the white patriarchy.
Well, that explains the NFAC friendly-fire incident in Louisville.
I was wondering how that happened. Thanks for the info. :)
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Those are too small, sir, I cannot read whatever outraging SJW crap small text is..
Awesome entitlement on show at Roll20 https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/9543460/regional-pricing (https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/9543460/regional-pricing) let's see how their activism handles this.
QuoteCon los sueldos argentinos se nos hace imposible comprar su contenido. Necesitamos precios regionales ya!
Leftest females are entitled to make jokes about the reproductive organs of men. This from the Roll20 discord server.
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Quote from: Gagarth on November 30, 2020, 07:47:00 AM
Leftest females are entitled to make jokes about the reproductive organs of men. This from the Roll20 discord server.
--snipp--
That's actually pretty mild compared to things I heard in public. The time of ignoring them is almost over!
Wait for it...
3 requirements to get something on the Roll20 Marketplace. 1. Originality 2. Quality 3. Inclusivity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfdlKucV9Qg&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=Roll20&t=6m29s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfdlKucV9Qg&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=Roll20&t=6m29s)
3. seems to be the priority since I have seen stuff that consists of a bundle of free assets that can be found with a quick search and other stuff that is just plain crap.
Why more people haven't swapped from R20 to Foundry already is beyond me and the 'it's free' argument seems a bit flat when they've been cutting down dramatically on what you can get away with (including storage) as a Freebie.
Quote from: Snark Knight on December 08, 2020, 07:24:07 AM
Why more people haven't swapped from R20 to Foundry already is beyond me and the 'it's free' argument seems a bit flat when they've been cutting down dramatically on what you can get away with (including storage) as a Freebie.
Sunk cost fallacy, maybe?
In any case, if R20 continues to limit or remove free features, more people will look for a new platform.
QuoteCustomers are advised that one scenario in this book has scenes in which high-school students are peacefully protesting police brutality and murder, and that this may upset the reader (and players).
Aspirations is an anthology of articles and scenarios for the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game published by Chaosium, Inc, and is a companion book to the horror RPG anthology Fear's Sharp Little Needles. Edited by Jeff Moeller and written by Glynn Owen Barrass, Adam Gauntlett, Jo Kreil, Jeff Moeller, Chitin Proctor and John Shimmin, with art by Dean Engelhardt, Earl Geier, Lisanne Lake, Badger McInnes, and Stephanie McAlea, it is an exploration into extra cases and background supporting your modern horror gaming.
https://www.dmsguild.com/product/273504/Aspirations--A-Modern-Day-Call-of-Cthulhu-Supplement-for-Fears-Sharp-Little-Needles (https://www.dmsguild.com/product/273504/Aspirations--A-Modern-Day-Call-of-Cthulhu-Supplement-for-Fears-Sharp-Little-Needles)
Of course Call of Cthulhu supplements need trigger warnings. ::)
Quote from: Gagarth on December 24, 2020, 04:52:48 PM
QuoteCustomers are advised that one scenario in this book has scenes in which high-school students are peacefully protesting police brutality and murder, and that this may upset the reader (and players).
Aspirations is an anthology of articles and scenarios for the Call of Cthulhu roleplaying game published by Chaosium, Inc, and is a companion book to the horror RPG anthology Fear's Sharp Little Needles. Edited by Jeff Moeller and written by Glynn Owen Barrass, Adam Gauntlett, Jo Kreil, Jeff Moeller, Chitin Proctor and John Shimmin, with art by Dean Engelhardt, Earl Geier, Lisanne Lake, Badger McInnes, and Stephanie McAlea, it is an exploration into extra cases and background supporting your modern horror gaming.
https://www.dmsguild.com/product/273504/Aspirations--A-Modern-Day-Call-of-Cthulhu-Supplement-for-Fears-Sharp-Little-Needles (https://www.dmsguild.com/product/273504/Aspirations--A-Modern-Day-Call-of-Cthulhu-Supplement-for-Fears-Sharp-Little-Needles)
Hm. Well, some more cultists never hurt CoC! 8)
This has probably been covered already but it's pathetic so fuck it.
QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.
Introcaso and Shea hired a "Sensitivity Editor" for their Fantastic Lairs kickstarter. I guess we can add another job description to the Pink Collar sector.
Quote from: Gagarth on January 19, 2021, 11:51:43 AM
This has probably been covered already but it's pathetic so fuck it.
QuoteWe (Wizards) recognize that some of the legacy content available on this website does not reflect the values of the Dungeons & Dragons franchise today. Some older content may reflect ethnic, racial, and gender prejudice that were commonplace in American society at that time. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. This content is presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. Dungeons & Dragons teaches that diversity is a strength, and we strive to make our D&D products as welcoming and inclusive as possible. This part of our work will never end.
Here's the thing: if they left it at that, it probably wouldn't be such an issue. Warner Brothers inserted a similar disclaimer into collections of older cartoons, after all.
The problem comes when they try to scrub their content and pretend 'oh we were never bad people uwu'.
Worse, the admission frosts the hell out of me because it's a tacit accusation that pre-woke gamers were all terrible people. Where the fuck do these johnny-come-lately bitches get off, saying that? We spent a good two decades being the outcasts, the misfits, the geeks and nerds. We accepted anyone who wanted to roll the dice and play. Yeah, we were social maladapts, but fucking hell, a lot of us guys would've crawled across broken glass for a girl to -talk- to us and not treat us like something that just crawled out from under rock.
But WE'RE the bad guys?
Fuck them, and fuck anyone who thinks that.
Quote from: jhkim on October 18, 2020, 07:44:03 PM
That is not in any way equivalent to being Cuba or Venezuela
Correct. I doubt that even in Venezuela or Cuba would you have a scenario where if you called a feminist stupid on Twitter you could be arrested in the night and threatened with years in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal expenses.
QuoteThere is no flood of refugees out from Canada.
There's actually been a flood of refugees fleeing Canada for decades. Any canadian that has any talent flees to America for a job. Including most of our actors and singers, you might note. Just about anyone who can live outside of Canada in a comfortable way chooses to do so.
Quote from: RPGPundit on January 19, 2021, 06:05:24 PM
There's actually been a flood of refugees fleeing Canada for decades. Any canadian that has any talent flees to America for a job. Including most of our actors and singers, you might note. Just about anyone who can live outside of Canada in a comfortable way chooses to do so.
I suspect part of that is due to Canada's so-called 'top notch' health care system, which was so top notch a Canadian doctor had to sue the government to get them to do their damn jobs, and it still takes forever to get certain treatments and tests (MRI, for example).
That's one of many, sure. But this is going too far off topic from RPGs.
Quote from: KingCheops on January 19, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
Introcaso and Shea hired a "Sensitivity Editor" for their Fantastic Lairs kickstarter. I guess we can add another job description to the Pink Collar sector.
Introcaso is balls deep with Roll20 and displays his pronouns in his Twitter so this should not be surprising.
Quote from: Gagarth on January 21, 2021, 02:39:40 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on January 19, 2021, 01:07:44 PM
Introcaso and Shea hired a "Sensitivity Editor" for their Fantastic Lairs kickstarter. I guess we can add another job description to the Pink Collar sector.
Introcaso is balls deep with Roll20 and displays his pronouns in his Twitter so this should not be surprising.
Ah didn't know. Makes sense then. I follow a lot of hobby related stuff but never used Twitter for that and especially not now that I've left it.
Quote from: RPGPundit on January 19, 2021, 06:05:24 PM
QuoteThere is no flood of refugees out from Canada.
There's actually been a flood of refugees fleeing Canada for decades. Any canadian that has any talent flees to America for a job. Including most of our actors and singers, you might note. Just about anyone who can live outside of Canada in a comfortable way chooses to do so.
You forgot doctors, who want to be allowed to make enough money to pay back their student loans. Also, there are plenty of Canadians who come back for the summer.
QuoteBased on Avery Alder and Benjamin Rosenbaum's Belonging Outside Belonging system, Sleepaway takes the base - community-building, shared narrative authority and worldbuilding, no dice, no masters - and transforms it into a horror game about generations of trauma, adventure, fear, and emotional exploration. Players will create characters, which are both traditional camp staff jobs and emotional archetypes, and have them explore a uniquely magical and grim setting while playing off the callous and capricious actions of the Lindworm, the ghostly monster that hangs over the game itself.
My name is Jay Dragon, and I'm a queer game designer and camp counselor from the Hudson Valley in Upstate New York, on illegally colonized Esopus Munsee land. In addition to more than a decade of experience running games for The Wayfinder Experience, other published games of mine include Games For Lost People, a set of personal meditations on mental illness and growth, and The Rake, a horror game about teenagers messing with powers beyond their understanding
Chivalry & Sorcery got super woke now they are getting attacked by their leftie buddies. Slap it the up them.
https://twitter.com/kilnfiendpotter/status/1348798062244728832?s=20 (https://twitter.com/kilnfiendpotter/status/1348798062244728832?s=20)
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
Quote from: wlake.gmtn on March 24, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
You must have been hiding under a rock for the past decade. Or two.
SJW = Social Justice Warrior. It refers to the more strident activists and proponents of a philosophy and ideology descended from postmodernism, through queer theory, intersectional feminism, and critical race theory. It believes that everything is based around oppressive power structures, which they fight by infiltrating those power structures, and then subverting them by redefining words and using other tactics to control the metanarrative, use that to invert standards and principles, and then systematically exclude and marginalize anyone who isn't fully on board with their crusade. Though keeping up is can be a difficult task, because they reject the idea that objective facts exist in favor of lived experiences and subjective beliefs, so their crusade is constantly changing. Since they believe that rules and standards of etiquette that moderate tone and topic are a form of oppression, and they are constantly looking for new power structures to dismantle, they bring their crusade to every corner of the web and even everyday life, which has made them almost impossible to avoid. They've also come to dominate most social media platforms, as well as education and academia, so most children and recent adults have grown up on a steady diet of their beliefs. Almost every mainstream news organ as well as the social media companies are firmly in their court, so they dominate the prevailing narrative on almost every topic of public discussion, And in the last few years Big Tech has moved from passively to actively pushing their agenda, as they use various excuses to push all contrary voices off major online platforms. They also dominate most of the government bureaucracy and almost the entire political left, and have lately been exercising their political power to consolidate their position and exclude those with different beliefs.
Quote from: wlake.gmtn on March 24, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
Have not seen any SJWs around here.
I think the RPG Nazis must have scared them off.
Quote from: Pat on March 24, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: wlake.gmtn on March 24, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
You must have been hiding under a rock for the past decade. Or two.
SJW = Social Justice Warrior. It refers to the more strident activists and proponents of a philosophy and ideology descended from postmodernism, through queer theory, intersectional feminism, and critical race theory. It believes that everything is based around oppressive power structures, which they fight by infiltrating those power structures, and then subverting them by redefining words and using other tactics to control the metanarrative, use that to invert standards and principles, and then systematically exclude and marginalize anyone who isn't fully on board with their crusade. Though keeping up is can be a difficult task, because they reject the idea that objective facts exist in favor of lived experiences and subjective beliefs, so their crusade is constantly changing. Since they believe that rules and standards of etiquette that moderate tone and topic are a form of oppression, and they are constantly looking for new power structures to dismantle, they bring their crusade to every corner of the web and even everyday life, which has made them almost impossible to avoid. They've also come to dominate most social media platforms, as well as education and academia, so most children and recent adults have grown up on a steady diet of their beliefs. Almost every mainstream news organ as well as the social media companies are firmly in their court, so they dominate the prevailing narrative on almost every topic of public discussion, And in the last few years Big Tech has moved from passively to actively pushing their agenda, as they use various excuses to push all contrary voices off major online platforms. They also dominate most of the government bureaucracy and almost the entire political left, and have lately been exercising their political power to consolidate their position and exclude those with different beliefs.
So basically the SJW is an arbiter from the far left, like an autocracy. I imagine that the rift between rpg.net and therpgsite makes GenCon kind of weird. I haven't been round here for a bit 'cause I was off the internet for a little bit. But writing one's own rpgs (a la Pundit's post about that) obviously has some kind of market in either place so it sucks the community's all split up. The reason for having certain ideas is largely background-oriented in my opinion, opens up a whole discussion about nature/nurture. SJW could be considered a slight similar to "hipster," which I identify with.
Quote from: wlake.gmtn on March 25, 2021, 12:13:39 PM
SJW could be considered a slight similar to "hipster," which I identify with.
Some have tried to turn it into a joke or badge of honor. "What's wrong with social justice?" but the epithet specifically calls out the worst aspects of bougeoir activism. IE racism is ok when we do it, lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.
Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 25, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.
Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.
Yep. I stand corrected. It's hard to navigate the byzantine rationalizations.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 01:15:54 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 25, 2021, 01:02:31 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 25, 2021, 12:56:29 PM
Lived experience is more important than evidence, etc.
Let's correct that: OUR lived experience is more important than your evidence. Your lived experiences don't matter in the face of our evidence.
Yep. I stand corrected. It's hard to navigate the byzantine rationalizations.
Not really.
It's whatever puts them, or keeps them, in a position of unaccountability, especially if it makes you accountable to them.
I always dream of using rhetorical devices, being the ultimate debater and so forth, like idealizing another path. But I wonder how literature fits into the SJW thing, in the context of novels I would say that personal experience is more interesting, if not useful, than evidence. Ad hominem attacks and solipsistic fervor, however, do not fit into novels except as observed devices. But arrogance is never interesting.
I realised a little while ago that debating genuine true believer SJWs is pointless because to them objectivity, logic etc are not tools to discover the truth but weapons to win an argument. As soon as logic becomes obsolete or ineffective, they drop it at a moment's notice.
It is very important to understand that ultimately their goal is not philosophical. It is utterly mundane and base. Simply put the goal is power. Power over resources yes, but also how you speak, and how you think. The reason why identity politics is so important is because, apart from being a useful recruitment tool, being able to define reality is the ultimate power. (Who counts as a human being, who is oppressed and who isn't, who is a man and who is a woman etc).
You might as well have a debate with a mafia don about the rights and wrongs of organised crime. The argument would be very similar indeed.
Assuming you were able to have such a conversation he might initially try and argue that the mafia was necessary to protect his oppressed people, then it would be that he didn't have a choice because of a hard life, then (assuming he didn't just resort to intimidation) he'd perhaps admit he was a criminal simply because he liked taking things he hadn't earned.
Quote from: Visitor Q on March 25, 2021, 02:31:55 PM
You might as well have a debate with a mafia don about the rights and wrongs of organised crime. The argument would be very similar indeed.
Speaking of debating a mafia don, this interview with mob enforcer Anthony Raimondi really shows the way they think.
https://www.jordanharbinger.com/anthony-s-luciano-raimondi-the-mob-enforcer-part-one/ (https://www.jordanharbinger.com/anthony-s-luciano-raimondi-the-mob-enforcer-part-one/)
ie. it is not his fault he killed you, it is your fault for making him have to kill you. After all he is just a good family man who loves his dog.
I imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.
Quote from: Shasarak on March 25, 2021, 04:33:52 PMI imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.
Eeeh that's giving too much and too little credit. That man performed monstrous acts but he performed them. That requires having a very genuine will to act.
SJWs are childish, and they retain a childish schoolyard mentality. A few at the top are sociopaths that want power, but most SJWs are just to feel good about themselves and think very little while persuing what FEELS right.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 25, 2021, 06:24:59 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on March 25, 2021, 04:33:52 PMI imagine that most SJWs have the same image of themselves.
Eeeh that's giving too much and too little credit. That man performed monstrous acts but he performed them. That requires having a very genuine will to act.
SJWs are childish, and they retain a childish schoolyard mentality. A few at the top are sociopaths that want power, but most SJWs are just to feel good about themselves and think very little while persuing what FEELS right.
maybe...but 'just following orders' is probably not the best look for them in defense of their actions... ;)
Quote from: wlake.gmtn on March 24, 2021, 07:10:01 PM
Curious what SJWs are. Haven't scanned these forums in some time.
Empty voids of self-misery.
The political spectrum is not a straight line drawn from left to right. The further you go in any direction the closer you get to wrapping around and meeting the other extreme.
Real SJWs are miserable people who lack any real tie to society, so they continuously push and pull everything to the left. Once it reaches critical mass, they turn on themselves or move on to the next environment to poison.
Look at any RPG forum after it has been infected. Message boards or subs that were once vibrate with topics and conversation retain a small fraction of their activity, with the arsonists, of course, not participating. They never really wanted to.
Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had "permission", continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.
Quote from: FingerRod on March 26, 2021, 10:50:12 AM
Empty voids of self-misery.
Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had "permission", continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.
They're a lot like the shitty neighbour that calls the HMO over every slight code violation.
Quote from: Samsquantch on March 26, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 26, 2021, 10:50:12 AM
Empty voids of self-misery.
Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had "permission", continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.
They're a lot like the shitty neighbour that calls the HMO over every slight code violation.
I hope you mean "calls the HOA" because if you have neighbors that wrapped up in your healthcare, then things have really gone screwy.
Back to the main point, I put up:
SJWs have changed the Overton window enough that Diversity is often not even discussed as an idea: it's just accepted to be a fundamentally good thing. Even most that resist the SJW worldview are only allowed to discuss whether or not SJW diversity is real or not, or if the diversity is 'organic' or not, or if it's' too much' diversity.
I don't believe diversity is inherently a bad thing, but I think the idea of it being an inherently good thing has to be shaken off for real counter progress to be made.
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 26, 2021, 11:05:16 PM
Back to the main point, I put up:
SJWs have changed the Overton window enough that Diversity is often not even discussed as an idea: it's just accepted to be a fundamentally good thing. Even most that resist the SJW worldview are only allowed to discuss whether or not SJW diversity is real or not, or if the diversity is 'organic' or not, or if it's' too much' diversity.
I don't believe diversity is inherently a bad thing, but I think the idea of it being an inherently good thing has to be shaken off for real counter progress to be made.
Also, their idea of diversity is idiosyncratic. It's nothing about diversity of thought or experience, but entirely superficial features like skin color and sexual orientation. These are prioritized over anything else.
Which ironically ends up being harmful to Asian-Americans. They're now considered white-adjacent (i.e. too financially successful on average) and therefore fair game for systemic racism. If you're Asian, then colleges will arbitrarily reduce your eligibility compared to black and white people.
Quote from: HappyDaze on March 26, 2021, 10:37:11 PM
Quote from: Samsquantch on March 26, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
Quote from: FingerRod on March 26, 2021, 10:50:12 AM
Empty voids of self-misery.
Yesterday in the /rpg sub a user requested ideas for creating a most-likely doomed character storyline (there were planned ways to avoid actual doom, and the request was for ideas for a fevered dream state). They were immediately accosted by a user obsessed with wondering if they had "permission", continuously berating the poster in a barrage of baseless assumptions. After 5-6 of these replies, the user deleted the thread, and their account. I quickly scanned the history of our valiant warrior, and their job done, they were already onto the next person.
They're a lot like the shitty neighbour that calls the HMO over every slight code violation.
I hope you mean "calls the HOA" because if you have neighbors that wrapped up in your healthcare, then things have really gone screwy.
Stupid auto correct strikes again.
I avoided being pulled into a confrontation with an SJW today. S/He said that it's vitally important to represent black people because of the riots and history and shit when I said that I didn't care about race/gender/whatever because its presence doesn't improve bad writing.
I don't see how making every fictional character black is going to improve the lives of actual African-Americans.
We have no shortage of black representation already. Superheroes, sitcoms, etc. Do these people not understand that there was representation before and after they were born in after 1997?
Like how they gender swap characters because there's no strong women heroes in movies? You know, like Ellen Ripley, Leia, Red Sonja, Joan of Arc, Batwoman, Supergirl, Wonder Woman, Jamie Lee Curtis in all of the Halloween movies, etc. Etc.
I wonder
I'm not reading thirty-plus pages of this circle-jerk, have we gotten to trying to kill them all yet or what.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 29, 2021, 07:52:22 PM
I don't see how making every fictional character black is going to improve the lives of actual African-Americans.
It ain't but, and this is a shot in the dark with the gun pointing at my head here, guessin people around here aren't big on the other material improvement suggestions outside've teaching them more personal responsibility. Don't take RPGsiters to be big reparations/reduced police violence/urban self-defense militia folks
Quote from: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 01:43:27 AM
I'm not reading thirty-plus pages of this circle-jerk, have we gotten to trying to kill them all yet or what.
We decided that we'll try rounding them all up and putting them in concentration camps first.
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 09, 2021, 01:51:47 AM
Quote from: This Guy on April 09, 2021, 01:43:27 AM
I'm not reading thirty-plus pages of this circle-jerk, have we gotten to trying to kill them all yet or what.
We decided that we'll try rounding them all up and putting them in concentration camps first.
Waste of time, get 'em now before they start catching up to the arms gap.
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the
Witcher's setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author's D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they're vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d'ao genies (https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ao).
C.J. Cherryh's
Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it's not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher's setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author's D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they're vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d'ao genies (https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ao).
C.J. Cherryh's Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it's not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?
Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?
So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?
Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?
So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
Spoken like the mouth breathing retard I've come to expect. The point, you pusillanimous pants-wetter, is the perpetual drumbeat of 'we must have our duhversity' for everything that doesn't check off the wokeists' boxes. And there has not been near enough pushback.
I tire of you. Into the bitbucket you go with HappyDaze.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 02:20:50 PM
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?
Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?
So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
Spoken like the mouth breathing retard I've come to expect. The point, you pusillanimous pants-wetter, is the perpetual drumbeat of 'we must have our duhversity' for everything that doesn't check off the wokeists' boxes. And there has not been near enough pushback.
I tire of you. Into the bitbucket you go with HappyDaze.
There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.
And the fucking joke is the complaints don't matter if the game isn't shit. How'd the Witcher do again? And CP 2077? Your wokeists of your nightmares whined about both. Which one did great and which one sold like shit because it was a broken mess?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher's setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author's D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they're vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d'ao genies (https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ao).
C.J. Cherryh's Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it's not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
He probably started there, but the journey went across Europe. There are influences from fairy tales across the continent, Tolkienesque fantasy, Stormbringer, and even relatively modern social commentary. E.g. Jewish dwarves, elves as a generic persecuted minority.
I wouldn't call it a good introduction to Slavic fantasy. Not anymore than I would call Tolkien a good introduction to Norse fantasy.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher's setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author's D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they're vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d'ao genies (https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ao).
C.J. Cherryh's Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it's not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Greetings!
Hey Ghostmaker! Yeah, the author of *The Witcher* is Polish, and from Poland. The soundtrack for the video game, *The Witcher* are Percival, a Polish folk band, also from Poland. Many of the people involved with the early franchise development--writers, artists, etc, are all Polish, or otherwise from various places in Eastern Europe. I think I read somewhere that a few of them were Ukrainian, a few Russians, and some also from Czechoslovakia and Hungary. THEN, seeing as the book and game was originally marketed and released *In Poland*--I've also read many of the early market and fan-base have all been Polish and Eastern European.
So, yeah. BCT means well, but I believe in this regard he is mistaken. The game has heavy elements of Polish mythology and culture, and the monsters and such are just the beginning. The language, stories, accents, little customs and details throughout--much of it is very much influenced by Eastern European sources--according to people over there, that actually know and identify all of this stuff, certainly to a finer degree of detail than we might do here, in America, for example.
While the book and the game are primarily based on a medieval/Fantasy Poland and Eastern Europe--that also doesn't deny some significant influences from pop D&D, Tolkien, and so on. People over there in Poland have identified such as well.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: SHARK on April 11, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
and some also from Czechoslovakia
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/45671676/now-thats-a-name-i-havent-heard-in-a-long-time.jpg)
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on March 16, 2020, 12:33:09 PM"You can't expose SJWs for being hypocritical because the entire system to its core is hypocritical. By playing into it you're still keeping it maintained even as 'Opposition'. Somebody who doesn't play the game at all is much more dangerous than somebody who is within it."
Not playing the game works wonders; they do the things they do because they're well aware of what they are in the first place and saying these things is easy as a power grab/demoralization tactic.
Though, another way to dodge the language control is to not using anything they can lean on diversity with, and if they do target you regardless, call them out for being lazy.
Me, for example:
#1: I don't put anyone who is within the rainbow spectrum in my works. Ever.
#2: The few times I've been called on as non-diverse, the first and only thing I reply with is, "I didn't ask for or want a pedestrian take like yours. Make your own thing, or shut the f*** up."
Works wonders, and I haven't had to deal with these losers in quite a long time.
Quote from: SHARK on April 11, 2021, 03:51:40 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 02:40:25 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 02:39:02 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 11, 2021, 12:47:38 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 11, 2021, 11:30:54 AM
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some
QuoteComplaining about racism in Middle-earth, 'booo! there's too many white people!', is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms. The Han Dynasty should have what? Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.
The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.
Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.
Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher's setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author's D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they're vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d'ao genies (https://witcher.fandom.com/wiki/D%27ao).
C.J. Cherryh's Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it's not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Greetings!
Hey Ghostmaker! Yeah, the author of *The Witcher* is Polish, and from Poland. The soundtrack for the video game, *The Witcher* are Percival, a Polish folk band, also from Poland. Many of the people involved with the early franchise development--writers, artists, etc, are all Polish, or otherwise from various places in Eastern Europe. I think I read somewhere that a few of them were Ukrainian, a few Russians, and some also from Czechoslovakia and Hungary. THEN, seeing as the book and game was originally marketed and released *In Poland*--I've also read many of the early market and fan-base have all been Polish and Eastern European.
So, yeah. BCT means well, but I believe in this regard he is mistaken. The game has heavy elements of Polish mythology and culture, and the monsters and such are just the beginning. The language, stories, accents, little customs and details throughout--much of it is very much influenced by Eastern European sources--according to people over there, that actually know and identify all of this stuff, certainly to a finer degree of detail than we might do here, in America, for example.
While the book and the game are primarily based on a medieval/Fantasy Poland and Eastern Europe--that also doesn't deny some significant influences from pop D&D, Tolkien, and so on. People over there in Poland have identified such as well.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
https://medium.com/@arturcnotalski/please-stop-saying-that-the-witcher-is-slavic-4251eeda694
https://www.reddit.com/r/wiedzmin/comments/9fo45l/is_the_witcher_an_essentially_slavic_fantasy_work/
Greetings!
From the Reddit Page BCT linked to:
Be a Polish person. Write in Polish Create a fantasy Saga, while being told that with Polish author it will never sell Still add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences, history and legends, as well as a some German stuff to the usual Anglo-saxon fantasy mix. Shit on the competition that wants a bit of your fame but creates "Slavic only" fantasy, with no success.
Be successful writer, be told by the English publisher that Polish fantasy won't sell.
"Witcher is not Polish"
I would drink too.
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[–]HatOfRaylanGivens 22 points 2 years ago
add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences
That's the important bit that most people don't get. Witcher's "slavicness"/"polishness" (whatever you want to call it), doesn't come from any hard references to old folklore, but rather the language, stylisation and the unmistakenly "Polish" play with vocabulary that made the story read like a very distinctly "Polish take" on classic fantasty tropes. Unfortunately, that quality is practically non-existent in any of the translations.
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So, yes. Just like I explained in my earlier post. Two Polish people in the quotes there describing how *The Witcher* is heavily influenced by Slavic/Polish mythology and culture.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.
Did someone here hurt your feelings :(
Quote from: yancy on April 11, 2021, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.
Did someone here hurt your feelings :(
You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: yancy on April 11, 2021, 06:32:42 PM
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There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.
Did someone here hurt your feelings :(
You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.
Your brother deserved everything that she got.
Quote from: Shasarak on April 11, 2021, 08:19:52 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 07:07:54 PM
Quote from: yancy on April 11, 2021, 06:32:42 PM
Quote from: This Guy on April 11, 2021, 03:00:54 PM
There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.
Did someone here hurt your feelings :(
You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.
Your brother deserved everything that she got.
Nobody deserves to have that pulled out so deep.
Quote from: SHARK on April 11, 2021, 05:06:03 PM
Greetings!
From the Reddit Page BCT linked to:
Be a Polish person. Write in Polish Create a fantasy Saga, while being told that with Polish author it will never sell Still add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences, history and legends, as well as a some German stuff to the usual Anglo-saxon fantasy mix. Shit on the competition that wants a bit of your fame but creates "Slavic only" fantasy, with no success.
Be successful writer, be told by the English publisher that Polish fantasy won't sell.
"Witcher is not Polish"
I would drink too.
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[–]HatOfRaylanGivens 22 points 2 years ago
add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences
That's the important bit that most people don't get. Witcher's "slavicness"/"polishness" (whatever you want to call it), doesn't come from any hard references to old folklore, but rather the language, stylisation and the unmistakenly "Polish" play with vocabulary that made the story read like a very distinctly "Polish take" on classic fantasty tropes. Unfortunately, that quality is practically non-existent in any of the translations.
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So, yes. Just like I explained in my earlier post. Two Polish people in the quotes there describing how *The Witcher* is heavily influenced by Slavic/Polish mythology and culture.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Both of those comments are full of caveats. They're saying that the majority of the slavic-ness comes from wordplay that is lost in translation to any other language, but the stories are otherwise mostly Anglo fantasy. The Polish guy who wrote the medium article I linked said that Witcher
shouldn't be called Slavic for the same reason.
More power to Sapkowski for being able to write so much, but that doesn't mean his work is a great example of Slavic fantasy
in general. That's like saying George R.R. Martin's work is a good example of Americanesque fantasy when he's copying Tolkien rather than L. Frank Baum.
I dislike Anglo fantasy. It's very difficult to find Slavic fantasy to begin with. Most of it isn't written in English and has yet to be translated. Most of what is available in English is written by authors who were born in the Anglosphere.
I found another article by a Polish journalist asking "Is the Witcher Slavic?" https://www.aspen.review/article/2021/is-the-witcher-slavic/
It's fairly long, but here's the conclusion:
QuotePerhaps Geralt of Rivia is not Slavic after all. But he certainly is Central European, just like his creator.
EDIT: And there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflixwitcher/comments/cfinui/does_anyone_else_feel_the_lack_of_slavic_inspired/euc0ih0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
QuoteAnd Sapkowski himself said - "There was an interpretation which Ziemkiewicz once forced onto me in an interview - that the Slavic elements in Witcher were key of its success. I agreed then shyly, but to this day I can't understand what's so Slavic about Witcher, maybe apart from the fact that I used a plot pattern of a tale about a striga, which Zmorski put in his compilation of folk tales."
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 12, 2021, 10:58:42 AM
I found another article by a Polish journalist asking "Is the Witcher Slavic?" https://www.aspen.review/article/2021/is-the-witcher-slavic/
It's fairly long, but here's the conclusion:
QuotePerhaps Geralt of Rivia is not Slavic after all. But he certainly is Central European, just like his creator.
EDIT: And there's this: https://www.reddit.com/r/netflixwitcher/comments/cfinui/does_anyone_else_feel_the_lack_of_slavic_inspired/euc0ih0?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
QuoteAnd Sapkowski himself said - "There was an interpretation which Ziemkiewicz once forced onto me in an interview - that the Slavic elements in Witcher were key of its success. I agreed then shyly, but to this day I can't understand what's so Slavic about Witcher, maybe apart from the fact that I used a plot pattern of a tale about a striga, which Zmorski put in his compilation of folk tales."
Greetings!
Interesting reads, BCT. I read the journalist's article you cited in the first link. Then, I read the Reddit discussion about the Netflix series. Mostly there seems to be lots of arguing back in forth over "Is Witcher Slavic? or Central European?" and by what degree, blah, blah, blah. Some arguing yes, while others argue no, and still others arguing over the teaspoon measurements of Slavic myth, European myth, generic fantasy myth, and on and on.
Like with so much in literature--or music--it comes down to individual interpretation, and what elements one chooses to emphasize or not, and to what degree.
It's always fun to see the huge controversies inspired by a book. ;D
Meanwhile, we have SJW's that have attacked the book and game as being "Racist", and all-white! They hate the fact that the book is centered in a Slavic environment.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Witcher (at least the show) certainly strikes me as being much more Generic Postmodern Western Fantasy with a few Slavic Stylyings.
It definitely doesn't pass the Polish Medieval Authentic test.
Quote from: RPGPundit on April 12, 2021, 06:37:14 PM
It definitely doesn't pass the Polish Medieval Authentic test.
Which, if I remember correctly, involves dunking the RPG under water and seeing if it drowns or not.
Does worrying about whether a work passes some imaginary Slavic purity test make me racist?
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 13, 2021, 03:33:46 PM
Does worrying about whether a work passes some imaginary Slavic purity test make me racist?
No, not at all. I'm just saying it's only about as Polish Medieval Authentic as most English fantasy is "English Medieval Authentic". Which is to say, not very much at all.
Quote from: RPGPundit on April 13, 2021, 09:38:53 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 13, 2021, 03:33:46 PM
Does worrying about whether a work passes some imaginary Slavic purity test make me racist?
No, not at all. I'm just saying it's only about as Polish Medieval Authentic as most English fantasy is "English Medieval Authentic". Which is to say, not very much at all.
What, no Sarmatisms? Long coats and tiny sabres are such a good look, too.... :P
Oh I don't know, I think my ancestors in the Polish nobility looked pretty badass:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/41/fb/80/41fb80535b4aea3b0e43e537dd8e6c63.jpg)
(https://armstreet.com/catalogue/full/exclusive-shlyahta-medieval-costume-coat-garb-6.jpg)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1155/0378/products/b2b_PEG_75-126_1_1024x1024.jpg?v=1504970220)
(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/028/676/076/large/damian-rozpedek-106361891-3138235196239132-3954926284570613345-o.jpg?1602505897)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/6c/00/c76c007fb9cbceee387d457506eafa3e.jpg)
Note that szabla was not particularly tiny.
Quote from: RPGPundit on April 16, 2021, 06:00:03 PM
Note that szabla was not particularly tiny.
If I remember correctly the szabla worn at court to mark yourself as a noble was ~30cm shorter than a cavalry sabre that would be actually taken into combat, but yes, your point is taken. :D