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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #510 on: April 11, 2021, 02:40:25 PM »
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some

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Complaining about racism in Middle-earth, ‘booo! there’s too many white people!’, is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  The Han Dynasty should have what?  Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.

The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.

Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.

Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher’s setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author’s D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they’re vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d’ao genies.

C.J. Cherryh’s Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it’s not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #511 on: April 11, 2021, 02:42:48 PM »
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?

Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?

So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #512 on: April 11, 2021, 02:48:39 PM »
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?

Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?

So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
Spoken like the mouth breathing retard I've come to expect. The point, you pusillanimous pants-wetter, is the perpetual drumbeat of 'we must have our duhversity' for everything that doesn't check off the wokeists' boxes. And there has not been near enough pushback.

I tire of you. Into the bitbucket you go with HappyDaze.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #513 on: April 11, 2021, 03:00:54 PM »
Damn Witcher and Kingdom Come these takes are hot out the oven.
Am I wrong? Or are you still a bitch?

Ain't no or, you are wrong and I am a bitch. Whatever bullshit got hurled at Witcher didn't stop it being top 10 RPG of the 10s and half the reason people got set up to be fucked over by CP2077, and idk about Kingdom Come but like how successful should it have been?

So what's the problem? People whined about a couple games in a way you didn't like? Bet that's a first.
Spoken like the mouth breathing retard I've come to expect. The point, you pusillanimous pants-wetter, is the perpetual drumbeat of 'we must have our duhversity' for everything that doesn't check off the wokeists' boxes. And there has not been near enough pushback.

I tire of you. Into the bitbucket you go with HappyDaze.

There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.

And the fucking joke is the complaints don't matter if the game isn't shit. How'd the Witcher do again? And CP 2077? Your wokeists of your nightmares whined about both. Which one did great and which one sold like shit because it was a broken mess?
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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #514 on: April 11, 2021, 03:20:17 PM »
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some

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Complaining about racism in Middle-earth, ‘booo! there’s too many white people!’, is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  The Han Dynasty should have what?  Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.

The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.

Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.

Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher’s setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author’s D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they’re vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d’ao genies.

C.J. Cherryh’s Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it’s not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.
He probably started there, but the journey went across Europe. There are influences from fairy tales across the continent, Tolkienesque fantasy, Stormbringer, and even relatively modern social commentary. E.g. Jewish dwarves, elves as a generic persecuted minority.

I wouldn’t call it a good introduction to Slavic fantasy. Not anymore than I would call Tolkien a good introduction to Norse fantasy.

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #515 on: April 11, 2021, 03:51:40 PM »
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some

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Complaining about racism in Middle-earth, ‘booo! there’s too many white people!’, is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  The Han Dynasty should have what?  Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.

The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.

Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.

Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher’s setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author’s D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they’re vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d’ao genies.

C.J. Cherryh’s Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it’s not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Greetings!

Hey Ghostmaker! Yeah, the author of *The Witcher* is Polish, and from Poland. The soundtrack for the video game, *The Witcher* are Percival, a Polish folk band, also from Poland. Many of the people involved with the early franchise development--writers, artists, etc, are all Polish, or otherwise from various places in Eastern Europe. I think I read somewhere that a few of them were Ukrainian, a few Russians, and some also from Czechoslovakia and Hungary. THEN, seeing as the book and game was originally marketed and released *In Poland*--I've also read many of the early market and fan-base have all been Polish and Eastern European.

So, yeah. BCT means well, but I believe in this regard he is mistaken. The game has heavy elements of Polish mythology and culture, and the monsters and such are just the beginning. The language, stories, accents, little customs and details throughout--much of it is very much influenced by Eastern European sources--according to people over there, that actually know and identify all of this stuff, certainly to a finer degree of detail than we might do here, in America, for example.

While the book and the game are primarily based on a medieval/Fantasy Poland and Eastern Europe--that also doesn't deny some significant influences from pop D&D, Tolkien, and so on. People over there in Poland have identified such as well.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #516 on: April 11, 2021, 04:26:26 PM »
and some also from Czechoslovakia

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #517 on: April 11, 2021, 04:35:58 PM »
"You can't expose SJWs for being hypocritical because the entire system to its core is hypocritical. By playing into it you're still keeping it maintained even as 'Opposition'. Somebody who doesn't play the game at all is much more dangerous than somebody who is within it."

Not playing the game works wonders; they do the things they do because they're well aware of what they are in the first place and saying these things is easy as a power grab/demoralization tactic.

Though, another way to dodge the language control is to not using anything they can lean on diversity with, and if they do target you regardless, call them out for being lazy.

Me, for example:

#1: I don't put anyone who is within the rainbow spectrum in my works. Ever.

#2: The few times I've been called on as non-diverse, the first and only thing I reply with is, "I didn't ask for or want a pedestrian take like yours. Make your own thing, or shut the f*** up."

Works wonders, and I haven't had to deal with these losers in quite a long time.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2021, 04:47:19 PM by AgentBJ09 »

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« Reply #518 on: April 11, 2021, 04:37:00 PM »
You guys may find this post interesting: https://elf-esteem.tumblr.com/post/116147608507/racism-in-middle-earth-no-not-really-also-some

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Complaining about racism in Middle-earth, ‘booo! there’s too many white people!’, is like saying that other ethnicities are under represented in The Romance of the Three Kingdoms.  The Han Dynasty should have what?  Been more open-minded to other peoples of the world?
Yeah, logic doesn't work well with these mouth-breathing morons, BCT. You may remember that the duh-versity brigade cried about how little color diversity there was in the Witcher series.

The game. Based on a book set in a fantasy Poland.

Or for that matter, the whining about lack of diversity in Kingdom Come: Deliverance, set in... medieval Bohemia.

Remember, the refrain is 'to hell with logic or consistency or accuracy, we must have our perfect diversity of color!'
Ack-shually, the Witcher’s setting is a generic pseudo-Europe based on the author’s D&D campaign. There are some token Slavic elements (some monsters come from Slavic folklore), but they’re vastly overshadowed by the generic post-Tolkien post-D&D fantasy-isms like elves, dwarves, and d’ao genies.

C.J. Cherryh’s Rusalka novels struck me as much more overtly Slavic fantasy (among other things, it’s not based on D&D), but the author is from Missouri of all places.
Really? I swear the author of the Witcher said he'd started with his native Poland as a beginning point. Maybe I'm thinking of something else.

Greetings!

Hey Ghostmaker! Yeah, the author of *The Witcher* is Polish, and from Poland. The soundtrack for the video game, *The Witcher* are Percival, a Polish folk band, also from Poland. Many of the people involved with the early franchise development--writers, artists, etc, are all Polish, or otherwise from various places in Eastern Europe. I think I read somewhere that a few of them were Ukrainian, a few Russians, and some also from Czechoslovakia and Hungary. THEN, seeing as the book and game was originally marketed and released *In Poland*--I've also read many of the early market and fan-base have all been Polish and Eastern European.

So, yeah. BCT means well, but I believe in this regard he is mistaken. The game has heavy elements of Polish mythology and culture, and the monsters and such are just the beginning. The language, stories, accents, little customs and details throughout--much of it is very much influenced by Eastern European sources--according to people over there, that actually know and identify all of this stuff, certainly to a finer degree of detail than we might do here, in America, for example.

While the book and the game are primarily based on a medieval/Fantasy Poland and Eastern Europe--that also doesn't deny some significant influences from pop D&D, Tolkien, and so on. People over there in Poland have identified such as well.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

https://medium.com/@arturcnotalski/please-stop-saying-that-the-witcher-is-slavic-4251eeda694

https://www.reddit.com/r/wiedzmin/comments/9fo45l/is_the_witcher_an_essentially_slavic_fantasy_work/


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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #519 on: April 11, 2021, 05:06:03 PM »
Greetings!

From the Reddit Page BCT linked to:

Be a Polish person. Write in Polish Create a fantasy Saga, while being told that with Polish author it will never sell Still add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences, history and legends, as well as a some German stuff to the usual Anglo-saxon fantasy mix. Shit on the competition that wants a bit of your fame but creates "Slavic only" fantasy, with no success.
Be successful writer, be told by the English publisher that Polish fantasy won't sell.
"Witcher is not Polish"
I would drink too.
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[–]HatOfRaylanGivens 22 points 2 years ago
add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences
That's the important bit that most people don't get. Witcher's "slavicness"/"polishness" (whatever you want to call it), doesn't come from any hard references to old folklore, but rather the language, stylisation and the unmistakenly "Polish" play with vocabulary that made the story read like a very distinctly "Polish take" on classic fantasty tropes. Unfortunately, that quality is practically non-existent in any of the translations.

END Quote.

So, yes. Just like I explained in my earlier post. Two Polish people in the quotes there describing how *The Witcher* is heavily influenced by Slavic/Polish mythology and culture.

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game
« Reply #520 on: April 11, 2021, 06:32:42 PM »

There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.


Did someone here hurt your feelings :(
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« Reply #521 on: April 11, 2021, 07:07:54 PM »

There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.


Did someone here hurt your feelings :(

You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.
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« Reply #522 on: April 11, 2021, 08:19:52 PM »

There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.


Did someone here hurt your feelings :(

You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.

Your brother deserved everything that she got.
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« Reply #523 on: April 11, 2021, 09:01:43 PM »

There will never be a pushback. Certainly not from a collection of cowards on a website whose fearless leader won't show his face in vid for fear of losing his Swamibux. If there ever is a pushback, it will never be from you.


Did someone here hurt your feelings :(

You know what you did. She was my brother, and you ruined her. Fucking Yancy.

Your brother deserved everything that she got.

Nobody deserves to have that pulled out so deep.
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« Reply #524 on: April 12, 2021, 10:44:45 AM »
Greetings!

From the Reddit Page BCT linked to:

Be a Polish person. Write in Polish Create a fantasy Saga, while being told that with Polish author it will never sell Still add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences, history and legends, as well as a some German stuff to the usual Anglo-saxon fantasy mix. Shit on the competition that wants a bit of your fame but creates "Slavic only" fantasy, with no success.
Be successful writer, be told by the English publisher that Polish fantasy won't sell.
"Witcher is not Polish"
I would drink too.
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[–]HatOfRaylanGivens 22 points 2 years ago
add a lot of Polish traits, literary influences
That's the important bit that most people don't get. Witcher's "slavicness"/"polishness" (whatever you want to call it), doesn't come from any hard references to old folklore, but rather the language, stylisation and the unmistakenly "Polish" play with vocabulary that made the story read like a very distinctly "Polish take" on classic fantasty tropes. Unfortunately, that quality is practically non-existent in any of the translations.

END Quote.

So, yes. Just like I explained in my earlier post. Two Polish people in the quotes there describing how *The Witcher* is heavily influenced by Slavic/Polish mythology and culture.

Semper Fidelis,

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Both of those comments are full of caveats. They’re saying that the majority of the slavic-ness comes from wordplay that is lost in translation to any other language, but the stories are otherwise mostly Anglo fantasy. The Polish guy who wrote the medium article I linked said that Witcher shouldn’t be called Slavic for the same reason.

More power to Sapkowski for being able to write so much, but that doesn’t mean his work is a great example of Slavic fantasy in general. That’s like saying George R.R. Martin’s work is a good example of Americanesque fantasy when he’s copying Tolkien rather than L. Frank Baum.

I dislike Anglo fantasy. It’s very difficult to find Slavic fantasy to begin with. Most of it isn’t written in English and has yet to be translated. Most of what is available in English is written by authors who were born in the Anglosphere.