Diversity is not a Virtue: Don't play the SJW game

[GeekyBugle]

Rather than trying to diversify a setting in anachronistic ways (e.g. Camelot should be mostly anglo-celts with a minority of moors if the stories are anything to go by), it would make more sense to explore non-European fantasy. Roman Empire, Africa, India, East Asia, etc. Or just make something up.

But that doesn't decolonize those problematic games and requires creativity and work.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Geesus. All of these fucking "revisioning" of stories gets so pathetic when in every goddamn one of them, we always, always, have to have someone that is black or Hispanic as a key role. I'm sorry, but it's bullshit.

In Mexico, or China, or Nigeria--when they are making films, or writing books--they don't smack themselves in the forehead and say, "Well, goddamn, we can't have the story like this. We have to make it more diverse! We need to include more white people!"

I've seen plenty of Hispanic shows, and Chinese shows as well. No black people or white people, or Hispanic people in Chinese shows, all Hispanics in Mexican shows and so on. For the most part. I like appropriate diversity, or whatever, even when it's original. I'm not against that. It's this clammy, sniveling insistence of "diversity" shoved into stories where it's entirely inappropriate or unnecessary.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[BoxCrayonTales]

But that doesn't decolonize those problematic games and requires creativity and work.

Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.

[GeekyBugle]

Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.

And you're telling me this why? I'm not the one talking about decolonizing fucking games dude, I was just being sarcastic and pointing out why they will NEVER make an original IP or take the mythos from say Africa to make a game.

[Shasarak]

Decolonizing Europe? The largest European group within living memory to be subject to colonization and genocide were the slavs butchered by the nazis for being "non-white." If you want to decolonize D&D, then make it a faithful slavic fantasy with leshy, rusalka, zmaj, bogatyr, and so forth.

**cough**Armenian genocide**cough**

**cough**Ukrainian genocide**cough**

Sorry, something in my throat.

[BoxCrayonTales]

**cough**Armenian genocide**cough**

**cough**Ukrainian genocide**cough**

Sorry, something in my throat.

Can't forgot them either. They have oppression points! Where's the Armenian and Ukrainian decolonist fantasy?

[Shasarak]

The Muslim Turks make a great Black Hat analogy to Orcs!

[Ghostmaker]

Womp womp.

https://nationalfile.com/patreon-loses-lawsuit-with-owen-benjamin-fans-likely-to-pay-millions-in-arbitration-and-legal-fees/

Poor Patreon. That's what happens when your lawyers are sloppy with your terms of service and you don't pay attention to state laws.

[BoxCrayonTales]

Womp womp.

https://nationalfile.com/patreon-loses-lawsuit-with-owen-benjamin-fans-likely-to-pay-millions-in-arbitration-and-legal-fees/

Poor Patreon. That's what happens when your lawyers are sloppy with your terms of service and you don't pay attention to state laws.

Does this open the floodgates for companies to sue retailers for removing their products? Patreon and Amazon and Steam have been banning anime-style artwork for a while now.

There's this bizarre belief that the anime art style makes everyone look underage (there isn't a single anime art style) and that this is child porn that harms real children. Meanwhile, Western fiction that depicts under-18 people engaged in consensual and non-consensual sex isn't banned. This includes Games of Thrones (in which numerous teenage girls are raped), I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (which depicts the author's own experience with being raped as a child), and lots and lots of amateur fiction published online.

While I do think most anime/manga/whatever is drek because of Sturgeon's law, I'm opposed to worsening censorship because it's a slippery slope.

[Ghostmaker]

Does this open the floodgates for companies to sue retailers for removing their products? Patreon and Amazon and Steam have been banning anime-style artwork for a while now.

There's this bizarre belief that the anime art style makes everyone look underage (there isn't a single anime art style) and that this is child porn that harms real children. Meanwhile, Western fiction that depicts under-18 people engaged in consensual and non-consensual sex isn't banned. This includes Games of Thrones (in which numerous teenage girls are raped), I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings (which depicts the author's own experience with being raped as a child), and lots and lots of amateur fiction published online.

While I do think most anime/manga/whatever is drek because of Sturgeon's law, I'm opposed to worsening censorship because it's a slippery slope.

I would say 'no, but...' with qualifiers. Patreon is fucked because they're getting slapped with the tortious interference with trade angle by trying to slip out from under their own arbitration requirement, after kicking Benjamin off their platform.

I would want to see how the Meyer vs Waid, et. al. lawsuit plays out, to be honest.

Part of the problem is this: can you COMPEL someone to do business with someone they don't like? Is it censorship to say 'I don't want to do business with this person'? Does that run up against freedom of association?

My understanding is that if you refuse up front, it's one thing. But once you sign a contract, you are obligated to fulfill that contract's requirements. If you need to renegotiate, that's one thing -- businesses do that all the time, with no hard feelings. But violating contract law is not only bad for business, it's striking at one of the REAL pillars of western civilization.

[Gagarth]

Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on

[Ghostmaker]

Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on

The date stamp on that is WEIRD. If I'm reading it right, it should be dated May 18, 2020 -- but it's labeled June 8, 2020. Which should make it 2020/6/8, not 2020/5/18. Strange.

Also, it seems he lost out on this as well: https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/7/27/announcement-regarding-dune-adventures-in-the-imperium

[Shrieking Banshee]

Adam Koebel hoisted with his own petard https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/5/18/moving-on

I'd be more sympathetic if I believed he really learned something. Which I doubt he did.

[Gagarth]

The date stamp on that is WEIRD. If I'm reading it right, it should be dated May 18, 2020 -- but it's labeled June 8, 2020. Which should make it 2020/6/8, not 2020/5/18. Strange.

Also, it seems he lost out on this as well: https://www.adam-koebel.com/blog/2020/7/27/announcement-regarding-dune-adventures-in-the-imperium

It would be interesting to do know if this was further cancelling or some form of self flagellation.

[Gagarth]

I'd be more sympathetic if I believed he really learned something. Which I doubt he did.

He deserves this because he is part  (or was until his comrades kicked him out)  of the cancel culture.  Anyone who agrees with his cancelling for what he did in that session is part of the same rancid culture.