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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2020, 02:29:05 AM »
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There was only one direction they could've gone for a sequel that would've kept proper continuity for the franchise and would've made sense, and that was to do a 180 on the overriding theme of the original movies of rebels trying to bring down a corrupt government and making it instead about the heroes establishing the New Republic as a struggling young government and fighting to keep it together rather than tear it apart. They could've portrayed the New Republic as a fragile alliance between reluctant member worlds, skeptical of joining yet a new intergalactic order, while the heroes struggled to keep them on board as they battled the remnants of the Empire at edges of New Republic space.

There could've been Imperial fiefdoms all over the place keeping a tight leash over worlds still under Imperial control, and member worlds with corrupt governors trying to play both sides against each other to secure a better position for themselves. There could be wars for liberation and betrayals, new worlds coming into the fold and dissatisfied member worlds defecting to the Empire or breaking off on their own at the wrong time. Luke struggling to establish a new Jedi Order and provide guidance to young Force users, while trying to rediscover lost Jedi lore. Lots of political intrigue going on in the background as they struggle to establish a stable new government and thwart attempts from hidden Imperial Agents against the new Prime Minister's life, etc.
So basically the EU's New Republic and New Jedi Order then?

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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2020, 03:16:06 AM »
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I watch a lot of Doomcock and Midnight's Edge. It's all rumor mongering because no sane studio would admit the stuff they talk about. And they admit it in every video.


I have watched both now and then on subjects knew about and have to say that when they arent over-reacting. They tend to be spot on. They just happen to over-react alot. But thats to be expected once resistance sets in firmly and and you start to see trouble brewing sometimes where it isnt really.

They probably do have some insiders. People utterly tierd of what is going on and willing to pass on news and rumours when they can.

We used to see this in the RPG biz. People in TSR and later WOTC, and especially Palladium would pass on insights, experiences, and more of the goings on behind closed doors. I used to talk with a few and its pretty messed up sometimes. And Ive been at ground zero of several convention messes and behind the scene acts from con managers and vendors. Same with a few book authors I used to know.

Theres allways going to be people fed up enough they want to talk and pass on whats going on.

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« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2020, 06:44:58 AM »
The force awakens was the same script as a new hope with slight changes. No one liked the character of rey being super awesome from the get go with no training, luke didn't even become competent until his third movie. Killing off beloved characters in such meaningless ways was just lame. Starkiller base had a trench that could be seen from space yet to be dogfighting in it it wasn't all that big in those shots. The scale issue is a jj abrams thing, you see it in all his work, in the second nu-trek movie klingons are roping from a bird o prey that couldn't hold maybe 3 of them, you see this again in one of the nu-wars movies when leia and a transport (essentially a metal rectangle) land and like 50 people pour out of it, there would be no room for any machinery in there. JJ abrams needs a spatial acuity test and better glasses.

First order was never adequately explained and the lame attempt to make them nazis for nazis sake is eye rolling. 30 years had passed since battle of endor but tie fighters (but with shields) are still in use? xwings too? medieval stasis comes to star wars i guess. what is the point or purpose of the supremacy other than being bigger for biggers sake? you could have built like 4-5 SSD for the same price/material and been that many times as effective in conquest. And hyperspace doesnt work that way btw, what WOULD happen is the hypermass shadow (assuming the supremacy generates one large enough) drags you back into real space at the point, where your two ships collide at normal sublight speeds. If that bullshit worked at all no one needs starships just attach hyperdrives to tungsten rods and fire them at everything including planets.

i've seen plenty of movies (sharknado) where i was like damn two 12 y/o wrote this shit didnt they? "yesh and it would be really cool if the truck spun around landed on its wheel finished the loop then exploded and the wheels embedded in the thing and the thing topples on the guy and the guy drops his radio and it sends the signal and then the other thing explodes too omg so awesome then add a shot of her boobs all sweaty" (this was the quality of work the nu-wars movie seemed to have).

alien animal cavalry on the hull of a ship the doesnt simply rotate and dump your ass? scattered disjointed plot crap like finn and rose side trip to casino land that seemed to have no bearing on anything? dagger macguffin hidden snake tomb pit plot point ass-hattery? sheev on a stick? and sheev, really? fucking sheev?

if this is the kind of movie (from a great saga mind you) that a comittee produces, just imagine what kind of wonderful planned economy or society it would produce.

nu-wars is not star wars. episodes 1-6 and all the comics and novels are star wars. i don't know what this new shit is but i piss upon it with derision.

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« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2020, 04:46:25 PM »
Quote from: HappyDaze;1146948
So basically the EU's New Republic and New Jedi Order then?


Yes! :p

And the reason the EU did those is cuz that's the ONLY logical progression coming out of Return of the Jedi for the Star Wars franchise. How different people may go about achieving that and what types of "side quest" may come up along the way may vary, but any SW sequel that doesn't establish WTF happened to the Republic government and the Jedi after the first trilogy and makes that the centerpiece of the follow up series is SHIT!

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« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2020, 05:22:06 PM »
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Yes! :p

And the reason the EU did those is cuz that's the ONLY logical progression coming out of Return of the Jedi for the Star Wars franchise. How different people may go about achieving that and what types of "side quest" may come up along the way may vary, but any SW sequel that doesn't establish WTF happened to the Republic government and the Jedi after the first trilogy and makes that the centerpiece of the follow up series is SHIT!

And then the Vong happened.

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« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2020, 05:45:01 PM »
All the old franchises have been driven into the ground and now they're just recycling nostalgia or vomiting SJW crap on the audience. And I doubt that's going to change because Hollywood knows even most of the haters buy tickets, and the masses will diligently watch what they're told. Streaming makes the long tail even more profitable, so there's even more incentive to just add crap to the franchise bucket.

However, sooner or later, somebody is going to create something new and cool...and they'll run that into the ground too. Until then, we're gonna get lots of double-woke bullshit "disguised" as entertainment.

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« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2020, 08:30:46 PM »
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And then the Vong happened.


And that was where Star Wars went Vong.

It's the Vong trousers Gromit! And they've gone Vong!



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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2020, 01:29:04 PM »
So basically the EU's New Republic and New Jedi Order then?
Like that, but actually good.

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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2020, 01:56:27 PM »
So basically the EU's New Republic and New Jedi Order then?
Like that, but actually good.
There were parts of that I liked. The EU Bothans were one such part. They were a part of the New Republic but very much had their own ways and agenda distinct from the Republics pan-galactic mono-culture (or, at least the appearance of such).

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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2020, 03:02:45 PM »
30 years had passed since battle of endor but tie fighters (but with shields) are still in use? xwings too? medieval stasis comes to star wars i guess. what is the point or purpose of the supremacy other than being bigger for biggers sake?


Disregarding the rest of your post, this bit here is just ignorant whining for whining's sake.


Right now, today, the following items are in widespread use in the US military:


- F-15 Eagle. 44 years old.
- Hummvee. 36 years old.
- M2 Bradley IFV. 39 years old.
- M1 Abram main battle tank. 40 years old.
- M4 carbine. 26 years old.
- M240 machine gun. 43 years old, the design itself is older.
- Mk 19 grenade launcher. 42 years old.
- M2 Browning HMG. Original design 87 years old.


And this in a military which is only trying to keep its equipment up-to-date in a single nation, rather than an entire galaxy.


The use of 30-year-old technology is perfectly normal in militaries. If you want to criticise the sequel trilogy, criticise it with non-stupid arguments.

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« Reply #55 on: September 08, 2020, 11:30:19 AM »
The use of 30-year-old technology is perfectly normal in militaries. If you want to criticise the sequel trilogy, criticise it with non-stupid arguments.
The ship and updated stormtrooper designs in the ST are about the ONLY things I don’t have a criticism for in the ST.


The X-Wings aren’t the precise same design as the OT so they’re like the F-35 vs. an F-16; both are still pretty “plane-shaped.”


Also on the tech side, my favorite part of The Mandolorian was actually seeing the TIE Fighter land... of course it makes perfect sense the radiator fins folded down and actual landing gear would be in the underside hatches.*


And while TLJ’s hyperspace ram was awful, the technical explanation of how ray shielding works (i.e. why capital ships have to slug it out at close range because at greater distances their shields basically make them invulnerable to weapon fire and why starfighters are needed since they can fly right through the ray shields to deal damage to weapons and ray shield generators) was lore gold.


* TIE Fighters get a very bum rap and most of it can be laid at the feet of WEG; who were the sources of the TIEs have no shields, ejection seats, landing gear or even life support and the “wings” are solar panels and those got carried over into the EU by way of Zahn using RPG material to flesh out his Trilogy that basically put the EU on the map in the early 90s.


The actual TIE Fighters had shields (you can see “shield flashes” around TIEs during ANH), ejection seats (seen in a blink and you’ll miss it in ESB), landing gear and life support (The Mandolorian; the pilots in the OT have full helmets for the same reason OUR pilots wear oxygen masks while flying despite having pressurized cabins... redundancy).


The ONLY things they lacked relative to X-Wings were hyperdrives and torpedoes; neither of which are particularly useful for anti-starfighter interceptors... but then the Empire has the resources to produce dedicated weapon platforms like interceptors and bombers and long range strike fighters like Vader’s while the Rebels put their limited resources into hit-and-fade multi-role starfighters.


I have a great deal of respect for the gearheads behind the tech that’s showed up in the live action material. It’s not their fault Kathleen Kennedy had woke blinders on and put their stuff into crap stories.

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« Reply #56 on: September 08, 2020, 03:47:46 PM »
The use of 30-year-old technology is perfectly normal in militaries. If you want to criticise the sequel trilogy, criticise it with non-stupid arguments.
The ship and updated stormtrooper designs in the ST are about the ONLY things I don’t have a criticism for in the ST.


The X-Wings aren’t the precise same design as the OT so they’re like the F-35 vs. an F-16; both are still pretty “plane-shaped.”


Also on the tech side, my favorite part of The Mandolorian was actually seeing the TIE Fighter land... of course it makes perfect sense the radiator fins folded down and actual landing gear would be in the underside hatches.*


And while TLJ’s hyperspace ram was awful, the technical explanation of how ray shielding works (i.e. why capital ships have to slug it out at close range because at greater distances their shields basically make them invulnerable to weapon fire and why starfighters are needed since they can fly right through the ray shields to deal damage to weapons and ray shield generators) was lore gold.


* TIE Fighters get a very bum rap and most of it can be laid at the feet of WEG; who were the sources of the TIEs have no shields, ejection seats, landing gear or even life support and the “wings” are solar panels and those got carried over into the EU by way of Zahn using RPG material to flesh out his Trilogy that basically put the EU on the map in the early 90s.


The actual TIE Fighters had shields (you can see “shield flashes” around TIEs during ANH), ejection seats (seen in a blink and you’ll miss it in ESB), landing gear and life support (The Mandolorian; the pilots in the OT have full helmets for the same reason OUR pilots wear oxygen masks while flying despite having pressurized cabins... redundancy).


The ONLY things they lacked relative to X-Wings were hyperdrives and torpedoes; neither of which are particularly useful for anti-starfighter interceptors... but then the Empire has the resources to produce dedicated weapon platforms like interceptors and bombers and long range strike fighters like Vader’s while the Rebels put their limited resources into hit-and-fade multi-role starfighters.


I have a great deal of respect for the gearheads behind the tech that’s showed up in the live action material. It’s not their fault Kathleen Kennedy had woke blinders on and put their stuff into crap stories.


In a fit of obsessive nerddom, I did a count of starfighter kills in the trench run, since it's the clearest starfighter engagement with numbers of ships called out.
I don't remember the exact count, but I believe the TIES were winning in ship to ship kills or at least tied, when Vader came along and blew the kill count out of the water. ;)
I don't remember shield flashes for TIES, but I do think they weren't intended to be the tissue paper gun platforms as portrayed in the EU. The "shields" on the X-Wings didn't seem to help them much at all.
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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2020, 12:51:04 AM »
The real problem of the re-used designs was the creative bankruptcy.


Which is again why I don't give a shit to see more.

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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2020, 08:19:32 AM »
I could buy the idea that military hardware hadn't advanced much in 30 years, since the galaxy was supposed to be 'at peace'.


(Also, IIRC the X-wing was supposed to be a cutting-edge design that was stolen by the aerospace engineers making it. It wouldn't have lost much of its bite in a mere 30 years.)


No, as always, the problem with Nu-Wars is the terrible script and plot, which shows up like a day-glo dancing girl on the console of the Falcon. Abrams was bad, but I never got the feeling Abrams hated the series; he's always struck me as a fanboy who just didn't have the creative skill to do it right. 'Ruin' Johnson, on the other hand... Jesus.

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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2020, 10:36:44 AM »
I don't remember the exact count, but I believe the TIES were winning in ship to ship kills or at least tied, when Vader came along and blew the kill count out of the water. ;)


I don't remember shield flashes for TIES, but I do think they weren't intended to be the tissue paper gun platforms as portrayed in the EU. The "shields" on the X-Wings didn't seem to help them much at all.
A lot of the X-Wing’s invulnerability in beta-canon comes from Luke Skywalker’s plot armor and the choice to have one other survivor who also happened to be in an X-Wing being translated into game form (first WEG, Then the rather legendary X-Wing game... which also added the idiocy that deflectors were regenerating ablative fields to the EU*).


In terms of shield flashes, they’re kinda blink and you miss it in general (they’re most notable around the Falcon during the ESB chase in general), but every time you see a blaster bolt “pop” around a ship that’s because the bolt struck the ship’s deflectors and there were a couple instances of that same effect around TIEs in ANH that indicate they have at least SOME deflectors.


Now, I agree with the point that TIEs are basically the starfighter equivalent of a Stormtrooper. However, it is also worth noting that, unless you had plot armor, the Stormtroopers were also devastatingly effective (see the boarding action of the Tantive-IV before Vader even stepped aboard; Obi-Wan’s line about their marksmanship was not intended to be taken as ironic).


It’s more that the heroes had the power of PLOT (i.e. the REAL Force) on their side that carried the day than that Stormtroopers and TIE-Fighters were some barely competent rubes with substandard gear.


* This is one of my biggest pet peeves. The deflectors in Star Wars are clearly shown to be more akin to a steady-state EM field that either causes a shot to glance off or fails to do so either due to the power or particular vector of the attack (and angling them relative to the attacker seems to improve their effectiveness). Similarly, deflectors are either “on” or “lost” in the films there was no “shields down to X%” anywhere because that’s not how they worked. Damage that got through the deflectors could bring them down the same way a shot that got through could take out an engine or weapon... but that’s not the same thing as being ablative.
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