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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2021, 01:22:25 PM »
I’m neither a fan or a hater of the character Gina played in the Madalorian, but it seems mighty sexist to fire her for overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust when Pedro Pascal also made overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust.

However, despite not being a follower of Gina I doubt I’ll keep Disney+ around, as it’s almost guaranteed that the Mandolorian is now going to be managed through a partisan/hyper-ideological political lense. Star Wars for me will only be the original trilogy, Rogue One and the first two seasons of the Mandalorian. Sometimes you have to realize that an IP has for all practical purposes “run out of gas”, and continued patronage just encourages the owners of the IP to continue to churn out trash. I’ve done the same with Star Trek (couldn’t make it past mid-season of Discovery, foolishly gave Picard a chance and thoroughly disappointed with the season 1 ending), and the butchery Disney is considering with a Firefly reboot (Inara going to be some kind of instructor/social worker instead of a courtier) convinces me that it’s better to realize early on when an IP has soured and move on to something else. Marvel Universe overall (some movies were always going to be not great, I’m talking about the whole setting) is probably reaching a similar point. I think the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie is the only one I’m looking forward to, and they’ll probably fire Chris Pratt before too long.

There's a lot of series I liked in the beginning ,but went off the rails after about 2-3 seasons. House MD and the Battlestar Galactica remake off the top of my head for a couple of examples.
They don't go awful right away, but you can tell they've used up the original premise and are spinning their wheels.
I hit saturation with the MCU around the time of Ant Man. (Which I liked) Everything after that I was like 'meh, whatever'.

I think the two seasons of The Mandalorian are a good place to mentally end the series. They resolved The Child storyline, and it makes a coherent story.
I have to wonder if that was intentional...
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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2021, 01:34:36 PM »
There have been a couple series I watched where the writers' strikes just completely wrecked the plots and scripts and they never really recovered from it.

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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2021, 03:41:39 PM »
I doubt I’ll keep Disney+ around, as it’s almost guaranteed that the Mandolorian is now going to be managed through a partisan/hyper-ideological political lense. Star Wars for me will only be the original trilogy, Rogue One and the first two seasons of the Mandalorian. Sometimes you have to realize that an IP has for all practical purposes “run out of gas”, and continued patronage just encourages the owners of the IP to continue to churn out trash. I’ve done the same with Star Trek (couldn’t make it past mid-season of Discovery, foolishly gave Picard a chance and thoroughly disappointed with the season 1 ending)

With Star Wars, I also feel that the originals, Rogue One, and the Mandalorian are the only parts I really like. But those are spaced out really far apart (1977, 1980, 1983, 2016, and 2020) -- with a lot of releases in between. I'd call that a "low hit rate" rather than "running out of gas".

I will sometimes watch things just to see what other people are interested in (especially since I run Star Wars games, say) - but I think loyalty to a brand/IP is giving corporations too much credit.


There's a lot of series I liked in the beginning ,but went off the rails after about 2-3 seasons. House MD and the Battlestar Galactica remake off the top of my head for a couple of examples.
They don't go awful right away, but you can tell they've used up the original premise and are spinning their wheels.
I hit saturation with the MCU around the time of Ant Man. (Which I liked) Everything after that I was like 'meh, whatever'.

There are series like that for me - but there are also some series that start out rough before getting into their groove. For example, Star Trek: The Next Generation started out *terrible* in my opinion, but by Season Three it had some of the best episodes in the canon.

I felt that way about the MCU, actually. I didn't like much of the first phase like Hulk and Thor. I liked the original Avengers and Guardians, but I thought it got better after Ant-Man. I hated Infinity War -- but I loved both Spider-Man films, Black Panther and Doctor Strange. I liked Ant-Man and the Wasp better than the original (though I liked the original).

I felt like especially after Guardians and Ant-Man, they got into the groove of having films be styled differently instead of just generic special-effects action movie. Doctor Strange had a cool mystic feel, and Spider-Man felt more like a teenager coming-of-age movies, etc. Civil War and especially Infinity War were more generic and boring, but at least Endgame recovered some.

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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2021, 05:07:19 PM »
With Star Wars, I also feel that the originals, Rogue One, and the Mandalorian are the only parts I really like. But those are spaced out really far apart (1977, 1980, 1983, 2016, and 2020) -- with a lot of releases in between. I'd call that a "low hit rate" rather than "running out of gas".
Have you seen the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008)? It's worth a watch.

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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2021, 05:26:01 PM »
With Star Wars, I also feel that the originals, Rogue One, and the Mandalorian are the only parts I really like. But those are spaced out really far apart (1977, 1980, 1983, 2016, and 2020) -- with a lot of releases in between. I'd call that a "low hit rate" rather than "running out of gas".
Have you seen the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008)? It's worth a watch.
Like anything with that many seasons & episodes, it had quite a mix of quality with some terrible stuff in there too. However, of the five SW animated series, it's certainly the best.

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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2021, 08:55:37 PM »
There have been a couple series I watched where the writers' strikes just completely wrecked the plots and scripts and they never really recovered from it.

Lost, BSG are the big ones for me as a result of that.

How I Met Your Mother was another one where the mediocrity of the later seasons took a while for me to clue onto.

Also, buckle up Star Wars fans, the trans-fascists are coming for Rosario Dawson now.  I say we ship these a-holes to China and let them deal with them.

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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2021, 09:57:42 PM »
With Star Wars, I also feel that the originals, Rogue One, and the Mandalorian are the only parts I really like. But those are spaced out really far apart (1977, 1980, 1983, 2016, and 2020) -- with a lot of releases in between. I'd call that a "low hit rate" rather than "running out of gas".
Have you seen the animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2008)? It's worth a watch.
Like anything with that many seasons & episodes, it had quite a mix of quality with some terrible stuff in there too. However, of the five SW animated series, it's certainly the best.

I watched a little of The Clone Wars, but didn't care for it.

1) In general, I find I'm less inclined to like animated series than some others.
2) It depends on characters and setting from the prequels, which I strongly disliked.
3) As with the prequels, much of larger plot is a foregone conclusion - which made it hard to care about the storyline.
4) The art, action and direction didn't really grab me, seeming wooden, which I realize is because of computer animation technology, but doesn't make me like it.

The biggest, though, is the whole premise of the clones. This was one of the most senseless plot twists in the prequels -- where the Jedi are gifted a slave army from an unknown source, and the Jedi simply accept and use this slave army. The Clone Wars series tries to slightly address the issue of clones at times -- by making different clones to be individuals, and delving into their character and motivations. However, to me, some of that just highlights how the whole situation is senseless.

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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2021, 10:48:03 PM »

The biggest, though, is the whole premise of the clones. This was one of the most senseless plot twists in the prequels -- where the Jedi are gifted a slave army from an unknown source, and the Jedi simply accept and use this slave army. The Clone Wars series tries to slightly address the issue of clones at times -- by making different clones to be individuals, and delving into their character and motivations. However, to me, some of that just highlights how the whole situation is senseless.

But it wasn't unknown. It was comissioned for the Republic by Master Sifo Diyas, created on Kamino, and then confirmed by Chancellor Palpaine when the Seperatists started open hostilites on Geonosis.

It's kinda hard to turn down a slave army when you have a million Battle Droids breathing down your neck. The Republic can sort all that stuff out later when the crisis is over. (tongue firmly in cheek on that last one)

Another example of something I didn't have a problem with in concept, more that Lucas did a poor job of telling an ambitious story, reminicent of something like Dune or Foundation, in that he was setting up some galaxy spanning events, and the dude just didn't have the chops he used to. (If he ever had, that's another argument)

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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2021, 11:14:13 PM »
I’m neither a fan or a hater of the character Gina played in the Madalorian, but it seems mighty sexist to fire her for overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust when Pedro Pascal also made overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust.

However, despite not being a follower of Gina I doubt I’ll keep Disney+ around, as it’s almost guaranteed that the Mandolorian is now going to be managed through a partisan/hyper-ideological political lense. Star Wars for me will only be the original trilogy, Rogue One and the first two seasons of the Mandalorian. Sometimes you have to realize that an IP has for all practical purposes “run out of gas”, and continued patronage just encourages the owners of the IP to continue to churn out trash. I’ve done the same with Star Trek (couldn’t make it past mid-season of Discovery, foolishly gave Picard a chance and thoroughly disappointed with the season 1 ending), and the butchery Disney is considering with a Firefly reboot (Inara going to be some kind of instructor/social worker instead of a courtier) convinces me that it’s better to realize early on when an IP has soured and move on to something else. Marvel Universe overall (some movies were always going to be not great, I’m talking about the whole setting) is probably reaching a similar point. I think the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie is the only one I’m looking forward to, and they’ll probably fire Chris Pratt before too long.
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In other words, they can act out to the point where buildings burn and people die and it's 'protected', but if we utter any words against it, we are 'literally murdering' them.

I have Jewish relatives, so I'm wary of anyone who compares the situation to the Holocaust.
Despite her having a point of the double standard that speech is developing in this country.
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Re: Disney goes full sjw and fires Gina Carano from the Mandalorian
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2021, 12:39:56 AM »
I have Jewish relatives, so I'm wary of anyone who compares the situation to the Holocaust.
And I actually am Jewish, and I don't give a damn. It was no dumber than her co-star Pedro Pascal comparing Republicans to Nazis a couple of years ago - he posted an image of children in concentration camp along with image of children supposedly in ICE detention, in fact they were Palestinian children at a soup kitchen in Hebron.

There's a reason we have Godwin's Law: overwrought Nazi comparisons are just part of being on the internet.

I don't care, at least it makes her free to do projects I'm more interested in. 

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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2021, 11:49:18 AM »
I’m neither a fan or a hater of the character Gina played in the Madalorian, but it seems mighty sexist to fire her for overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust when Pedro Pascal also made overwrought comparisons to the Holocaust.

However, despite not being a follower of Gina I doubt I’ll keep Disney+ around, as it’s almost guaranteed that the Mandolorian is now going to be managed through a partisan/hyper-ideological political lense. Star Wars for me will only be the original trilogy, Rogue One and the first two seasons of the Mandalorian. Sometimes you have to realize that an IP has for all practical purposes “run out of gas”, and continued patronage just encourages the owners of the IP to continue to churn out trash. I’ve done the same with Star Trek (couldn’t make it past mid-season of Discovery, foolishly gave Picard a chance and thoroughly disappointed with the season 1 ending), and the butchery Disney is considering with a Firefly reboot (Inara going to be some kind of instructor/social worker instead of a courtier) convinces me that it’s better to realize early on when an IP has soured and move on to something else. Marvel Universe overall (some movies were always going to be not great, I’m talking about the whole setting) is probably reaching a similar point. I think the next Guardians of the Galaxy movie is the only one I’m looking forward to, and they’ll probably fire Chris Pratt before too long.

  Well the thing is they didnt fire her for that post.  It was just one they felt they could make a bridge to something normies might accept.  She was fired a long time ago, she has just been waiting for a good long while for the shoe to drop.

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« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2021, 12:18:10 PM »
  Well the thing is they didnt fire her for that post.  It was just one they felt they could make a bridge to something normies might accept.  She was fired a long time ago, she has just been waiting for a good long while for the shoe to drop.
I’ve not heard that she was fired before that post. If Disney was hoping that waiting announce her firing until  she made a controversial post was a smart strategy I think they made a mistake, particularly since Pedro made similar hyperbolic Holocaust comparisons. Such a strategy essentially turns the initiative of the messaging to the fired employee, and Disney wound up so eager to try to retake the initiative that they wound up choosing poorly in latching on to that post.

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« Reply #42 on: February 27, 2021, 12:27:17 PM »
  Well the thing is they didnt fire her for that post.  It was just one they felt they could make a bridge to something normies might accept.  She was fired a long time ago, she has just been waiting for a good long while for the shoe to drop.
I’ve not heard that she was fired before that post. If Disney was hoping that waiting announce her firing until  she made a controversial post was a smart strategy I think they made a mistake, particularly since Pedro made similar hyperbolic Holocaust comparisons. Such a strategy essentially turns the initiative of the messaging to the fired employee, and Disney wound up so eager to try to retake the initiative that they wound up choosing poorly in latching on to that post.
  She knew she was on the outs back when she did the "Be Bop Boop" and her posting pattern and joining....*gasp* parler showed me she already knew she was done.  They have had numerous behind the scenes meeting and hell raising the past 6 months over her.   *edited to add*  I also think she kept posting knowing one was going to get her fired.  I think the smart strategy was on her part, not theirs.  I think she wanted out. 
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« Reply #43 on: February 27, 2021, 04:10:53 PM »
  Well the thing is they didnt fire her for that post.  It was just one they felt they could make a bridge to something normies might accept.  She was fired a long time ago, she has just been waiting for a good long while for the shoe to drop.
I’ve not heard that she was fired before that post. If Disney was hoping that waiting announce her firing until  she made a controversial post was a smart strategy I think they made a mistake, particularly since Pedro made similar hyperbolic Holocaust comparisons. Such a strategy essentially turns the initiative of the messaging to the fired employee, and Disney wound up so eager to try to retake the initiative that they wound up choosing poorly in latching on to that post.
  She knew she was on the outs back when she did the "Be Bop Boop" and her posting pattern and joining....*gasp* parler showed me she already knew she was done.  They have had numerous behind the scenes meeting and hell raising the past 6 months over her.   *edited to add*  I also think she kept posting knowing one was going to get her fired.  I think the smart strategy was on her part, not theirs.  I think she wanted out.
That makes sense. She is a trained fighter, so her developing a strategy to work to her advantage over Disney shouldn’t be surprising, but Disney (and myself to be honest) thought of her more as an actress. It was just in the PR ring instead of the fighting ring.

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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2021, 12:14:29 AM »
  Well the thing is they didnt fire her for that post.  It was just one they felt they could make a bridge to something normies might accept.  She was fired a long time ago, she has just been waiting for a good long while for the shoe to drop.
I’ve not heard that she was fired before that post. If Disney was hoping that waiting announce her firing until  she made a controversial post was a smart strategy I think they made a mistake, particularly since Pedro made similar hyperbolic Holocaust comparisons. Such a strategy essentially turns the initiative of the messaging to the fired employee, and Disney wound up so eager to try to retake the initiative that they wound up choosing poorly in latching on to that post.
  She knew she was on the outs back when she did the "Be Bop Boop" and her posting pattern and joining....*gasp* parler showed me she already knew she was done.  They have had numerous behind the scenes meeting and hell raising the past 6 months over her.   *edited to add*  I also think she kept posting knowing one was going to get her fired.  I think the smart strategy was on her part, not theirs.  I think she wanted out.
That makes sense. She is a trained fighter, so her developing a strategy to work to her advantage over Disney shouldn’t be surprising, but Disney (and myself to be honest) thought of her more as an actress. It was just in the PR ring instead of the fighting ring.

  I also think Disney is more used to dealing with actors who need acting.  She does not need it.  At all.  So she is not going to take shit for something she doesnt need in a place that goes a bit far in control attempts.  She is rich already, and Though not LOADED, I suspect her family wealth makes any money she has earned 100 percent in the bank, its not as if she has a lifestyle to maintain like alot of actors do, where their 800k a year goes towards paying for a 1 million dollar a year lifestyle.

   I also think you are right Disney looked at her as an actor, which in all honesty most former fighters are going to be at least as desperate as actors, her family is super wealthy, and she has always had a good base of advice from her family to guide her in the murky waters of both fighting and acting.  I always think of her as a fighter interestingly enough, because that is the only context I register her in, since I started watching her before her first professional MMA fight.
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