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Author Topic: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour  (Read 8155 times)

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2022, 03:16:55 AM »
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Who gets to define hateful content? Shall I regale you with tales of the SJW "mean girls" attitude towards using the concept of "hateful content" to harass and demean people?
We got plenty of examples to choose from.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2022, 09:31:51 AM »
It'd be nice if people didn't engage in dishonest content.

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« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2022, 09:44:01 AM »
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").
Is this intended as a parody? Because it's really strange, on multiple levels.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2022, 11:27:49 AM »
  Yeah that definition of "hateful content" seems to be a target that never, ever stops moving.  I mean, until just VERY recently big time arbiters of social justice had a definition of racism that only allowed white people to be guilty of it.   I am sure once everyone forgets whoopi making a whoopsie it will go back to being what they had there before. 

   Yesterdays definitions of mental conditions are todays hate speech.  Yesterday's common sense about who take a dump where or compete in what sports division is today's hateful content.

   

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2022, 11:34:11 AM »
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").
Is this intended as a parody? Because it's really strange, on multiple levels.

It’s just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling. After all why engage in an honest debate of the topic.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2022, 11:59:34 AM »
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Who gets to define hateful content?

You know this answer. It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using - in this case Discord. Just like it's Pundit here. There doesn't need to be some magical philosophical universal standard for good and evil to make these kinds of ordinary judgements - private companies make them for their services and always have and if people don't like it they've always been welcome to open their own service. And generally when they do, unsurprisingly they also use their own judgement to decide and it's often not too far off from everyone else's judgement. Because it's not really that fuzzy a line to spot anonymous troll on the internet being a dick to his peers for chuckles.

I mean, why is it people think the internet "isn't real life"? If people behaved like dicks to strangers in a restaurant they'd be kicked out of the restaurant but somehow because the setting is a forum like Discord those standards are bad?
« Last Edit: March 03, 2022, 12:01:51 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2022, 12:05:09 PM »
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").
Is this intended as a parody? Because it's really strange, on multiple levels.

It’s just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling. After all why engage in an honest debate of the topic.

I always find this accusation hilarious when it's done here. WHO am I virtue signaling? Tell me? In this forum, it's YOU who is virtue signaling because in this forum it's YOUR VIEWS which are the common orthodoxy. Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there? There is no social justice crowd monitoring this site to look to see if I am behaving in a correct manner and then giving me my flowers if I tow some party line. I am a fucking island around here and there is no other end of any signal I send. You on the other hand have a horde of party faithful surrounding you. And it's me virtue signaling? Look around partner. These are your buddies.  You're the equivalent to the church lady tut tutting the misbehaving kids and getting knowing approving looks from the others around us, not me.
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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2022, 12:28:18 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days. But it's a dishonest one. Because this isn't nice vs. not nice. It's niceness redefined to include one political wing and exclude the other, and niceness used as a weapon to suppress free speech, support intolerance, and promote hate and bigotry. In other words, nice isn't nice at all. It's part of the continued corruption of our shared lexicon in a political and social war that's being waged in the fields of linguistics and propaganda.

It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient. We've had numerous Congressional hearings, where they've done the same. And it's not just direct and obvious coercion; we're living in the era of the social credit score, and there are innumerable softer ways that political agents use to coerce and compel conformance, from secret warrants to reinterpreting legal standards so they don't need any warrants, contracts and favors, and witchhunts and deplatforming. The idea that companies are making independent decisions is risible.
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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2022, 01:00:07 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days. But it's a dishonest one. Because this isn't nice vs. not nice. It's niceness redefined to include one political wing and exclude the other, and niceness used as a weapon to suppress free speech, support intolerance, and promote hate and bigotry. In other words, nice isn't nice at all. It's part of the continued corruption of our shared lexicon in a political and social war that's being waged in the fields of linguistics and propaganda.

It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient. We've had numerous Congressional hearings, where they've done the same. And it's not just direct and obvious coercion; we're living in the era of the social credit score, and there are innumerable softer ways that political agents use to coerce and compel conformance, from secret warrants to reinterpreting legal standards so they don't need any warrants, contracts and favors, and witchhunts and deplatforming. The idea that companies are making independent decisions is risible.

Exactly.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, Discord literally banned tens of thousands of Trump supporters in December & January. This wasn't because they were "Trolls" or engaging in "Hateful behavior" it's because they were on the wrong team, and the right team told Discord, "Hey, there's 50-100k people who are using your service to communicate and organize peaceful political demonstrations. This is dangerous to our political goals, you must ban these people."

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2022, 01:52:40 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days.

And you spinning what I said as me talking about puppies and rainbows and flat-out saying I am telling everyone to behave like puppies and rainbows is a common rhetorical technique for this message board these days. You know damn well that's not what I said or meant, but you played that simplistic strawman to...virtue signal to your buddies here that you're on board with the orthodoxy here.

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But it's a dishonest one.

Hey kettle, knock it off.

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It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient.

That is 1) yet another strawman as that's not really what he said, and 2) not the topic we're discussing but a distraction. We are in fact discussing a private company - discord - in the context of gaming. No matter how much you want to make this some generalized political discussing, it's not. We have a forum for that, and this isn't it. Are you trying to piss Pundit off, again?
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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #40 on: March 03, 2022, 01:57:54 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days. But it's a dishonest one. Because this isn't nice vs. not nice. It's niceness redefined to include one political wing and exclude the other, and niceness used as a weapon to suppress free speech, support intolerance, and promote hate and bigotry. In other words, nice isn't nice at all. It's part of the continued corruption of our shared lexicon in a political and social war that's being waged in the fields of linguistics and propaganda.

It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient. We've had numerous Congressional hearings, where they've done the same. And it's not just direct and obvious coercion; we're living in the era of the social credit score, and there are innumerable softer ways that political agents use to coerce and compel conformance, from secret warrants to reinterpreting legal standards so they don't need any warrants, contracts and favors, and witchhunts and deplatforming. The idea that companies are making independent decisions is risible.

Exactly.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, Discord literally banned tens of thousands of Trump supporters in December & January. This wasn't because they were "Trolls" or engaging in "Hateful behavior"

They shut down The Donald sever two days after the capital riots because it's where all the capital rioter planners jumped to after they were kicked off Reddit. Most of those users had never really used discord before that date. It's not like the general population of discord was experiencing some political purge - no gamers were harmed in the action.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2022, 02:44:14 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days.

And you spinning what I said as me talking about puppies and rainbows and flat-out saying I am telling everyone to behave like puppies and rainbows is a common rhetorical technique for this message board these days. You know damn well that's not what I said or meant, but you played that simplistic strawman to...virtue signal to your buddies here that you're on board with the orthodoxy here.
You literally said "Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say 'How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet'" How is that not painting one side as nice, or puppies and rainbows, and the other side as dicks?

And me virtue signaling? That's a joke.

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It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient.

That is 1) yet another strawman as that's not really what he said, and 2) not the topic we're discussing but a distraction. We are in fact discussing a private company - discord - in the context of gaming. No matter how much you want to make this some generalized political discussing, it's not. We have a forum for that, and this isn't it. Are you trying to piss Pundit off, again?
You're the one who brought it up, with "It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using", and now you're the one who wants the last word.

It's almost like you're trying to place the blame for what you did on someone else.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2022, 02:49:54 PM »
They shut down The Donald sever two days after the capital riots because it's where all the capital rioter planners jumped to after they were kicked off Reddit. Most of those users had never really used discord before that date. It's not like the general population of discord was experiencing some political purge - no gamers were harmed in the action.

This is a lie.
Discord was banning users in December.
Again, we see Mistwell just can't stop lying.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2022, 03:08:39 PM »
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?
I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days.

And you spinning what I said as me talking about puppies and rainbows and flat-out saying I am telling everyone to behave like puppies and rainbows is a common rhetorical technique for this message board these days. You know damn well that's not what I said or meant, but you played that simplistic strawman to...virtue signal to your buddies here that you're on board with the orthodoxy here.
You literally said "Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say 'How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet'" How is that not painting one side as nice, or puppies and rainbows, and the other side as dicks?

Because it's not in any way doing that? Sounds like the comment went right over your head. I am saying THERE IS NOT A SOUL HERE WHO WOULD PAT ME ON THE BACK FOR SAYING THAT.  And there isn't. That doesn't make "my side" puppies and rainbows and "your side" as dicks. I am one of the people here for f's sake! I am saying IT'S NOT SIGNALLING MY VIRTUE TO ANYONE HERE FOR ME TO SAY THAT BECAUSE NOBODY HERE WOULD VIEW ME AS VIRTUOUS FOR SAYING THAT. How is that painting anything as puppies and rainbows? I don't even think you followed your own logic there.

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It's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient.

That is 1) yet another strawman as that's not really what he said, and 2) not the topic we're discussing but a distraction. We are in fact discussing a private company - discord - in the context of gaming. No matter how much you want to make this some generalized political discussing, it's not. We have a forum for that, and this isn't it. Are you trying to piss Pundit off, again?
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You're the one who brought it up, with "It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using", and now you're the one who wants the last word.

It's almost like you're trying to place the blame for what you did on someone else.

I did not in any way bring up President Biden or anyone aside from Discord - which was the topic. WTF are you talking about? Jesus dude, you've lost the thread. NOW I am going to bring up Biden - hey Joe, is that you posing as Pat? Cause you seem to be having a senior moment.

It is in fact a private company paying for and operating the service you're using. That has nothing to do with President Biden or anyone else.

You know, sometimes I think you get three steps ahead of yourself Pat. You assume I am talking about something i am not talking about, and then mentally you respond to that and then assume my response to that and jump to that response before you even figure out if we're even talking about the same thing to begin with.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2022, 03:10:37 PM »
They shut down The Donald sever two days after the capital riots because it's where all the capital rioter planners jumped to after they were kicked off Reddit. Most of those users had never really used discord before that date. It's not like the general population of discord was experiencing some political purge - no gamers were harmed in the action.

This is a lie.
Discord was banning users in December.
Again, we see Mistwell just can't stop lying.

Banning Users /= shutting down the service. No lie detected. I said, and I meant, they shut down The Donald server two days after the capital riots. That is 100% accurate.