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Author Topic: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush  (Read 5029 times)

bromides

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2022, 11:13:19 AM »
Thank God for Joe Manchin.
Manchin is as good a Democrat as Romney is a Republican.
I don't have a problem with Romney.

I'm not 100% aboard the Trump train, nor am I 100% against Trump.

The anti-Trumpers have a lot to answer for.
Trump clearly would have been a better choice for this country based on what we've seen from Biden, which is a shit-show of historic proportions. If Trump was a shitshow (which I don't think he was), Biden's epic disaster movie of a Presidency has to go down as some of the worst Imperial governance this side of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

3catcircus

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2022, 11:39:30 AM »
Thank God for Joe Manchin.
Manchin is as good a Democrat as Romney is a Republican.
I don't have a problem with Romney.

I'm not 100% aboard the Trump train, nor am I 100% against Trump.

The anti-Trumpers have a lot to answer for.
Trump clearly would have been a better choice for this country based on what we've seen from Biden, which is a shit-show of historic proportions. If Trump was a shitshow (which I don't think he was), Biden's epic disaster movie of a Presidency has to go down as some of the worst Imperial governance this side of Nero Claudius Caesar Augustus Germanicus.

Trump's only problem was that he was brutally honest and crass, not playing the politics game like all the cunts in DC - a veneer of genteel politeness plastered over ass-stabbery and corruption.

His one mistake was not shit-canning *every* political appointee and petty bureaucrat that he had the legal authority to immediately upon entering office, compounded by allowing swamp-dwellers to infiltrate his cabinet.

bromides

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2022, 12:21:14 PM »
I think Trump was bumbling and arrogant, but his mistakes ultimately didn't cost us anywhere close to what Biden is costing us with his brand of bumbling governance.

People mistook Trump's arrogant bumbling as an aberration.

The thing is, ALL Presidents are arrogant bumblers by nature... people think that their governors are the best of us, when they aren't.
The illusion of wisdom in leadership is simply an illusion, like the official marble portraits of Roman emperors being distinctly different than their familial/casual portraits.

"The adults are back in charge"? Well, these adults under Biden are incompetent, and if they think they are better adults than the previous set, then they're even more arrogant than Trump ever was.

Biden is not only worse than Trump ever was... Biden also thinks he's better than Trump was. It's a combination of incompetence, stupidity, and arrogance that exceeds those "qualities" in the Trump regime.

I ultimately think that Trump's arrogance is normal for anyone who seeks out high office. (You need to be deranged to become a President, a CEO, a Senator, a Speaker of the House.) I see Trump as a normal American leader, and Biden as a below-average/mentally deficient normal American.

jhkim

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #108 on: June 10, 2022, 04:11:27 PM »
Resisting opposing politics can be done without mass murder of the opposing side.

Wait, you think that both Marxism and Nazism should be respected and entitled to the same rights as everyone else?

I think that there are a few million Jews and Russians and Chinese and Cambodians who would like to have a word with you.

I dd not say "respected". I said that people shouldn't be murdered simply for their beliefs, regardless of whether those beliefs are respectable or not.

Authoritarianism comes in many forms - Nazism and Marxism are only two. There have also been plenty of anti-communist dictators and regimes. Jailing and killing your political opponents to suppress Nazism or Marxism isn't loving freedom - it's just another excuse for authoritarianism.

Killing thousands of people because of their Marxist beliefs is just as heinous killing thousands for their failure to adhere to Marxism. They're both murderous authoritarianism.

Pat

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #109 on: June 10, 2022, 04:26:44 PM »
The thing is, ALL Presidents are arrogant bumblers by nature... people think that their governors are the best of us, when they aren't.
The illusion of wisdom in leadership is simply an illusion, like the official marble portraits of Roman emperors being distinctly different than their familial/casual portraits.
Even if they were the best of us, they're no smarter than an ant, at least compared to 250 million adults acting as a distributed super-brain. Decisions need to be pushed down as far as possible, because people know their own area and needs better than someone 3,000 miles away, and they're also far more invested and can spend more than a nanosecond on those own issues.

Though I think the reverence is more pervasive and insidious than you're suggesting, because unwarranted and uncritical reverence for leaders is only the tip of the iceberg. We live in the world where most people default to thinking the government is selfless and here to help, instead of recognizing the government is made of people with their own interests and incentives, which will almost always take priority over selfless ideals. They checks and transparency, not blind trust.

DocJones

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Re: Assassination Plot on President W. Bush
« Reply #110 on: June 22, 2022, 04:56:50 PM »
The right js screaming about possible attempts at McConnell, a possible Isis attempt at bush for murdering hundreds if thousands if Iraqis, a possible shot at gorshits, but how much outrage did they express when a member of the right endorsed murdering 72 million Americans?
His proposal wouldn't do any good, as dead democrats still vote.