Creator of the "OSR logo" says you can't use his logo and say mean things!

[crkrueger]

It's hysterical how the "Honorable" OSR is peeing itself over ZakS asking for evidence in discussions!!

Here's my fav quote: He's pushed multiple friends of mine out of the hobby, off the internet, or onto medication.

LOL. And yet again, we have the "SJW = need for medication" dance.




I support that. Pundit, Venger and ZakS all enjoy the online battle banter mixed with their gaming. If you don't, that's very cool and don't feel like you have to do anything other than keep rocking non-political gaming.

In the current climate, any non-SJW RPG material is effectively pushback and I believe most gamers prefer their RPG stuff isn't politically driven.

If discussing something with Zak caused you to get put on meds, then you should thank him, because you obviously needed meds before you ever encountered him.

[Mordred Pendragon]

If discussing something with Zak caused you to get put on meds, then you should thank him, because you obviously needed meds before you ever encountered him.

This! So very much this!

As a huge fan of the OSR and RPG's in general, I hate seeing these SJW's try to politicize everything in our hobby.

They run Onyx Path with an iron fist, they have infiltrated Paizo and the OSR, and they killed White Wolf. Now they are going after the OSR.

Well, the Pope may be Powered By The Apocalypse, but Jesus played OD&D! IT'S ON!!!

Why couldn't these whiny wannabe Marxist hipsters just stick to Blue Rose and all those shitty Powered By The Apocalypse games? These Neo-Bolsheviks will stop at nothing to destroy all that is fun and good.

Not wanting sanctimonious political agendas in your game is not a political statement, despite what the SJW's say. Not everything needs to be overtly political.

SJW's are essentially secular Puritans, whose ideology is rooted in a mix of moral authoritarianism, hipster elitism, the ethos of the punk subculture, and a shallow understanding of anarchy and communist ideology

They're basically whiny hipsters and punks who behave as an ideological cult and think Communism will mean a genderqueer Marvel capeshit paradise where everything is free and not the totalitarian nightmare it always ends up as.

Under traditional communism, the SJW's would be sent to the gulag and they would starve to death under Anarcho-Communism (assuming they weren't murdered by raiders over a pair of shoes or a loaf of bread)

As a self-hating Millennial, I can safely say that my generation was too busy reading Harry Potter when they should have been reading Animal Farm. Seriously, Orwell predicted the progressive stack and the hypocrisy of identity politics ("All Animals Are Equal, Some Are More Equal Than Others")

Also, Punk was a mistake as a lot of the petty rebellion against established norms, pretentious purism, and fetishism for Anarchism found among SJW's these days are all rooted in the Punk subculture.

In a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving.

One more thing that really disturbs me is how they have hijacked the LGBT community, especially in the wake of the GamerGate nonsense and the legalization of same-sex marriage on the federal level.

As a bisexual male, I have seen it hit the LGBT community especially hard with the attempted erasure of bisexuals within the community to an insane degree.

I've known I was bi since I was about twelve or thirteen but I always tried to hide and deny it for most of my adolescence due to a mix of shame and fear.

It was not until I was in my early twenties did I accept it and start coming out to those I trusted. Keep in mind that I am twenty-five, so it has not been that long. By the time I was ready to be an active member of the LGBT community, the SJW's within it began to view bisexuals as posers and traitors to the agenda of identity politics.

Now they've started going after gay males, especially if they are white and cis. Lesbians are also being affected by this to a lesser extent (even if it is the pseudo-feminist lesbian dangerhairs who are pushing for this erasure).

Now if an otherwise reasonable and normal lesbian does't want to sleep with someone who has a dick, all of a sudden they get labeled a "TERF" by these Neo-Bolsheviks.

I'm not talking actual misandrist and transphobic TERFs like Cathy Brennan or Germaine Greer, I mean normal lesbians who really don't have a political agenda in mind when they're looking for a girlfriend.

It's gotten to the point that "TERF" is to the LGBT community what "Alt-Right" and "Nazi" have become to the wider SJW movement as a whole, a meaningless attack word used to silence and discredit opposition.

Part of this came with the glorification of the transgender portion of the community to the point of insane fetishism following the mainstream acceptance of gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the greater American society and culture and the federal legalization of same-sex marriage by the Supreme Court.

We're at a point where there is no definitions or standards to being trans, all you have to do is say your trans and not put in any effort at actually transitioning and not only is this damaging the trans community but the greater LGBT community as a whole.

I mean, if you try to pass as the opposite sex but simply cannot due to genetics, advanced age (as in geriatric), or being unable to afford the proper care, I understand and will still respect your identity.

But if you're just calling yourself "genderqueer" or "Non-binary" and living the exact same way you did when you identified as cis, then you are no different than someone pretending to be blind or paralyzed.

This willy-nilly approach to gender hurts the actual trans folks who just want to live their life in peace as the gender they feel most comfortable with and allows for both fakers trying to move up the so-called "progressive stack" as well as fetishist autogynephile males.

Real trans people generally don't want to be lumped in with the various fakers within the trans community such as "Non-binaries" and especially the autogynephiles who pretend to be transgender so they can more easily deflect criticisms by invoking transphobia accusations (if you're male, they will call you Alt-Right and if you're female, they'll call you a TERF).

That and they also like to creep on biologically female lesbians.

Prime examples of autogynephile fakers include Olivia Hill, Zinnia Jones, and even Chris-Chan of 4Chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica infamy.

Now if you question these real issues within the community or express any views contrary to the hipster champagne communism of the SJW's, you're branded a traitor and shunned. This was not what the LGBT movement was for.

The greater LGBT movement was meant to protect and support the individual rights and liberty of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgender individuals

Now the SJW Neo-Bolsheviks have transformed the greater LGBT movement from a community to a cult.

And when the pendulum of societal public opinion begins to swing in the opposite direction in the next ten or twenty years, I deeply fear we may see a reversal of over fifty years of progress in acceptance for the queer community as a whole

[Opaopajr]

[...] Though as I read the thread here...I suppose there's a little bit of tension...but I'm not really seeing a substantial argument, let alone a passionate disagreement. Maybe I'm just dumb though. I don't really understand the sense of hurt feelings, Opaopajr.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That thickness of skin will serve you well here! This place goes through what I like to call "Its Moon Time," where people constantly talk cross-purposes to each other and take easy offense over misunderstandings. It is a cyclical enough forum phenomenon I thought it deserved a name.

[Spinachcat]

SJW's are essentially secular Puritans

You nailed it Doc. That's exactly why they feel like an atheist version of the Church Ladies from the 80s.

[Anon Adderlan]

Not a moron; your sentence structure is too good for that. That's also why I assumed that English is your primary language, but your use "A/a" seemed very odd--almost enough so that I thought you might be encoding something into your message.

Oh, for fuck's sake. Please don't start reading shit into people's posts claiming that they are "dogwhistles" for whatever boogiemen are currently fashionable.

But "AAAAAAAAAA" is a Dogwhistle. It's the silent scream we all make when posting about these things.

If discussing something with Zak caused you to get put on meds, then you should thank him, because you obviously needed meds before you ever encountered him.

Not wrong.

[HappyDaze]

But "AAAAAAAAAA" is a Dogwhistle. It's the silent scream we all make when posting about these things.

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[jeff37923]

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OK, I laughed.

[Spinachcat]

As a diehard SJW, can I join the Inglorious OSR super club? Or am I not allowed because muh politics?

Just as you are 100% welcome on theRPGsite forums, I imagine you'd be 100% welcome to the Inglorious OSR Super Club.

However, I suspect the G+ group is only focused on OSR stuff, not the culture war wankery we discuss here.

[VengerSatanis]

SJW's are essentially secular Puritans, whose ideology is rooted in a mix of moral authoritarianism, hipster elitism, the ethos of the punk subculture, and a shallow understanding of anarchy and communist ideology

Yep.

[jhkim]

Just in case anyone was curious like me and wanted the side-by-side comparison,

The Honourable OSR - https://plus.google.com/communities/107721958433977847355

Inglorious OSR - https://plus.google.com/communities/103659071398037704734

What's your point, John, exactly?

Of course, the only true difference is, one won't allow James Raggi in, one of the largest publishers in the OSR, because he took a picture with Jordan Petersen.

How do you feel about that?

I didn't know what the deal was, and I had to hunt a bit to get the links, so I posted the links - because I thought some other people might be similarly curious.

However, at this point I've still just skimmed. I don't know the people in question or what the conflict is about. I haven't followed it, so I don't have an opinion at this point.

[kythri]

I haven't followed it, so I don't have an opinion at this point.

One group has a stated ideological purity test as a condition of membership, the other doesn't.  What's your opinion on THAT?