Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

I have been arguing since March 2020 that unless you are wearing a properly-fitted, properly-worn N-95 mask you are just playing fuck around. And the one time that I know that St. Fauci wasn't lying was in this 60 Minutes interview where he said (effectively) the same thing (which was the scientific consensus at that time). Only someone that believes in SCIENCE!(tm) would believe that in the span of a month or two, there had been sufficient studies performed to change that consensus.

It is of some cold comfort to see these fuck-nuts have stopped spreading this particular lie.

You might question whether they were properly fitted/worn, but N-95 masks have been the law in Germany for well over a year. They didn't make any difference.

I've mentioned it before, but I know some people who work with one of the major manufacturers of N-95 masks. Their company requires them to get fitted and tested every year, and they have nothing but horror stories about the process. None of them ever got a proper seal on the first try, they had to try again and again. Unless you're a medical professional working in a clinical environment where you routinely wear N-95 masks, the chance you're wearing it properly is essentially nil. N-95 mandates are completely irrational.

[HappyDaze]

I have been arguing since March 2020 that unless you are wearing a properly-fitted, properly-worn N-95 mask you are just playing fuck around. And the one time that I know that St. Fauci wasn't lying was in this 60 Minutes interview where he said (effectively) the same thing (which was the scientific consensus at that time). Only someone that believes in SCIENCE!(tm) would believe that in the span of a month or two, there had been sufficient studies performed to change that consensus.

It is of some cold comfort to see these fuck-nuts have stopped spreading this particular lie.

You might question whether they were properly fitted/worn, but N-95 masks have been the law in Germany for well over a year. They didn't make any difference.

I've mentioned it before, but I know some people who work with one of the major manufacturers of N-95 masks. Their company requires them to get fitted and tested every year, and they have nothing but horror stories about the process. None of them ever got a proper seal on the first try, they had to try again and again. Unless you're a medical professional working in a clinical environment where you routinely wear N-95 masks, the chance you're wearing it properly is essentially nil. N-95 mandates are completely irrational.

And the first sign you're doing it wrong: If your "N95" (more likely a KN95) has ear loops instead of dual head straps. Ear loops do not allow for a tight enough seal to make the respirator effective.

[Kiero]

What a surprise, they're quietly revising the number of deaths from flu in 2020 (which the liars said had been eradicated): https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

[dkabq]

I have been arguing since March 2020 that unless you are wearing a properly-fitted, properly-worn N-95 mask you are just playing fuck around. And the one time that I know that St. Fauci wasn't lying was in this 60 Minutes interview where he said (effectively) the same thing (which was the scientific consensus at that time). Only someone that believes in SCIENCE!(tm) would believe that in the span of a month or two, there had been sufficient studies performed to change that consensus.

It is of some cold comfort to see these fuck-nuts have stopped spreading this particular lie.

You might question whether they were properly fitted/worn, but N-95 masks have been the law in Germany for well over a year. They didn't make any difference.

I've mentioned it before, but I know some people who work with one of the major manufacturers of N-95 masks. Their company requires them to get fitted and tested every year, and they have nothing but horror stories about the process. None of them ever got a proper seal on the first try, they had to try again and again. Unless you're a medical professional working in a clinical environment where you routinely wear N-95 masks, the chance you're wearing it properly is essentially nil. N-95 mandates are completely irrational.

It takes an hour+ for my wife to get fitted. And the fitting is done by someone specifically trained to do N95 fittings.

[HappyDaze]

I have been arguing since March 2020 that unless you are wearing a properly-fitted, properly-worn N-95 mask you are just playing fuck around. And the one time that I know that St. Fauci wasn't lying was in this 60 Minutes interview where he said (effectively) the same thing (which was the scientific consensus at that time). Only someone that believes in SCIENCE!(tm) would believe that in the span of a month or two, there had been sufficient studies performed to change that consensus.

It is of some cold comfort to see these fuck-nuts have stopped spreading this particular lie.

You might question whether they were properly fitted/worn, but N-95 masks have been the law in Germany for well over a year. They didn't make any difference.

I've mentioned it before, but I know some people who work with one of the major manufacturers of N-95 masks. Their company requires them to get fitted and tested every year, and they have nothing but horror stories about the process. None of them ever got a proper seal on the first try, they had to try again and again. Unless you're a medical professional working in a clinical environment where you routinely wear N-95 masks, the chance you're wearing it properly is essentially nil. N-95 mandates are completely irrational.

It takes an hour+ for my wife to get fitted. And the fitting is done by someone specifically trained to do N95 fittings.

I've had fit tests done many times, by several different systems (including the US Army), and it should not take an hour unless you are including the paperwork and setting up the materials. If everythign is set up in advance (like when a the one running it is planning on doing multiple fit tests rather than just pulling things out for one employee), the actual fitting takes no more than 10-15 minutes, and a trained fitter can work with several respirator wearers simultaneously if they have adequate equipment (some smaller operations do not).

[Zirunel]

What a surprise, they're quietly revising the number of deaths from flu in 2020 (which the liars said had been eradicated): https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

[Kiero]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

[Zirunel]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention to the "World Socialist Web Site." Who is? Are you? Did you even read this? Did anybody?

[Pat]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention to the "World Socialist Web Site." Who is? Are you? Did you even read this? Did anybody?

It's not just that site. It was widely reported that the flu had vanished, because it was displaced by sars2.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142

It's not dissimilar from the way the covid-19 variants have been displacing each other. Though in a twist, there have been reports that omicron is displacing the common cold, not the flu.

[Zirunel]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention to the "World Socialist Web Site." Who is? Are you? Did you even read this? Did anybody?

It's not just that site. It was widely reported that the flu had vanished, because it was displaced by sars2.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142

It's not dissimilar from the way the covid-19 variants have been displacing each other. Though in a twist, there have been reports that omicron is displacing the common cold, not the flu.

Your link is potentially more credible than anything Kieros come up with lately. Interesting, even.  But it makes no reference to Covid-19 at all (understandable given the publication date), and no reference to anything being "eradicated."

[jhkim]

In general, does anyone have a model for what good handling of the pandemic should be? Has there been any government during the pandemic that did a good job, in your opinion?

There's the past Trump administration, but it seems like many posters are critical of the vaccines that the Trump administration developed and promoted, and in general about that administration's messaging. Also, in the present, Trump continues to promote the vaccines including booster shots. There is Sweden, which has been positively cited for not having lockdowns, but it also has bought into vaccines, and has vaccine mandates for visitors and indoor events. So I suspect posters would be critical of that. Are there any U.S. states that posters feel have done well?

[Pat]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention to the "World Socialist Web Site." Who is? Are you? Did you even read this? Did anybody?

It's not just that site. It was widely reported that the flu had vanished, because it was displaced by sars2.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142

It's not dissimilar from the way the covid-19 variants have been displacing each other. Though in a twist, there have been reports that omicron is displacing the common cold, not the flu.

Your link is potentially more credible than anything Kieros come up with lately. Interesting, even.  But it makes no reference to Covid-19 at all (understandable given the publication date), and no reference to anything being "eradicated."

Duckduckgo it. As I pointed out, it was widely reported. This isn't something obscure that was only posted on some weird little sites. You missed a major news item. Pick any newspaper you like, odds are it was covered.

More science:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33243355/

[DocJones]

In general, does anyone have a model for what good handling of the pandemic should be? Has there been any government during the pandemic that did a good job, in your opinion?

Western Sahara.  Only 1 confirmed covid death.  And they've done absolutely nothing except enjoy their national past time of robbing, raping and murdering.  Well they don't really have a government to screw things up anyway.

 

[Pat]

In general, does anyone have a model for what good handling of the pandemic should be? Has there been any government during the pandemic that did a good job, in your opinion?

There's the past Trump administration, but it seems like many posters are critical of the vaccines that the Trump administration developed and promoted, and in general about that administration's messaging. Also, in the present, Trump continues to promote the vaccines including booster shots. There is Sweden, which has been positively cited for not having lockdowns, but it also has bought into vaccines, and has vaccine mandates for visitors and indoor events. So I suspect posters would be critical of that. Are there any U.S. states that posters feel have done well?

We should have stripped ordinary citizens of their rights to protest, peacefully assemble, and even leave their own houses, while encouraging groups of armed thugs to burn down the centers of major cities. We should have demonized everyone who hesitated to inject multiple doses of experimental drugs into their system, painted them as threats, stripped them of their rights to work or enter most locations, and instituted a system where people need to show papers to move freely or access basic services. Australia, Canada, Germany, and China all did pretty well.

That paragraph would have sounded like horrific dystopian fiction, two years ago.

[Zirunel]

Wait what? Who said the flu had been "eradicated?" I missed that one.

The narrative less than a year ago was that flu had been "eradicated" and supplanted by covid. Were you not paying attention?

For example: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/04/flu-j04.html

It was yet another lie, of course, which they're now quietly reversing away from and hoping no one notices.

No, I guess I wasn't paying attention to the "World Socialist Web Site." Who is? Are you? Did you even read this? Did anybody?

It's not just that site. It was widely reported that the flu had vanished, because it was displaced by sars2.
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/52/27142

It's not dissimilar from the way the covid-19 variants have been displacing each other. Though in a twist, there have been reports that omicron is displacing the common cold, not the flu.

Your link is potentially more credible than anything Kieros come up with lately. Interesting, even.  But it makes no reference to Covid-19 at all (understandable given the publication date), and no reference to anything being "eradicated."

Duckduckgo it. As I pointed out, it was widely reported. This isn't something obscure that was only posted on some weird little sites. You missed a major news item. Pick any newspaper you like, odds are it was covered.

More science:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33243355/

The significantly lower incidence of flu in the 20-21 flu season(s) was certainly noted and covered. I'm still waiting to hear any claims that flu has been "eradicated."