Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[3catcircus]

Here's everything you should know about covid being a pandemic of our own making...

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html?m=1

[Kiero]

Here's everything you should know about covid being a pandemic of our own making...

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html?m=1

Pretty comprehensive. That section on New Zealand lines up with exactly what I said months ago - trying to achieve "zero covid" by shutting down your country is lunacy. Unsurprisingly, they're being hammered by every other respiratory infection and as soon as they open up covid will hit them as well.

If only the twats in charge of my country had found their balls and stuck to their original plan, following Sweden in doing nothing.

[Kiero]

What an amazing job France is doing:



This is the result of:
➡️ Banned foreigners from entering the country

➡️ Closed nightclubs

➡️ Extended the use of masks in class

➡️ Brought in vaccine passports to hospitality

➡️ Started vaccinating children as young as 5

Clearly this shows that their measures are working! More lockdowns and restrictions, please! Guess what Germany is also doing?

Also note South Africa has essentially stopped playing the covid charade altogether, and the UK is headed in that direction.

[3catcircus]

What an amazing job France is doing:



This is the result of:
➡️ Banned foreigners from entering the country

➡️ Closed nightclubs

➡️ Extended the use of masks in class

➡️ Brought in vaccine passports to hospitality

➡️ Started vaccinating children as young as 5

Clearly this shows that their measures are working! More lockdowns and restrictions, please! Guess what Germany is also doing?

Also note South Africa has essentially stopped playing the covid charade altogether, and the UK is headed in that direction.

Every single last cunt who enacted mandates of any kind need to be held accountable. I don't care if finding them accountable involves firing them or firing on them.

[Kiero]

Every single last cunt who enacted mandates of any kind need to be held accountable. I don't care if hiding them accountable involves firing them or firing on them.

But they've done it, they've flattened the curve!

Against the wrong axis...

[3catcircus]

Every single last cunt who enacted mandates of any kind need to be held accountable. I don't care if hiding them accountable involves firing them or firing on them.

But they've done it, they've flattened the curve!

Against the wrong axis...

It's obvious every single one of them failed basic virology along with statistics.  Aerosol-borne respiratory viruses are unstoppable with anything less than a *properly* fitted and worn N95 or a positice pressure respirator.  That whole flattening the curve just meant extending the pandemic for longer.  Large narrow spike or lower wider spike - area under the curve remains the same since all the people who would get COVID did get COVID.  My family had it twice. No idea what the external vector was, but the first infected have it to the rest of us within 3 days before we even knew what it was.  Yeah it sucked. For someone with comorbidities my wife and I assessed  our risk and were vaccinated before we got it.  Fever, no smell/taste, very congested sinuses, shortness of breath (like being at a higher altitude). Kids were not vaccinated - they had the sniffles for two days.  2nd time we got it, only the boy and I got it - he had sniffles for like 6 hours and I had a low grade fever for 2 hours plus burning sinus pain for 2 days - a complete nothing.

Ruechel pretty much makes this abundantly clear that what is happening is exactly what could have been predicted and prevented if governments had not had experts who were advising them panic based upon media reported case counts even as those case counts were an order of magnitude less than the number of people who had antibodies before there were vaccines.

A similar reaction will have similar outcomes for future pandemics.  You protect the vulnerable and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

[Kiero]

The EU wants powers to seize private property in a "pandemic". No chance those powers could be abused, is there?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-seeks-emergency-powers-on-supply-chains/

It's obvious every single one of them failed basic virology along with statistics.  Aerosol-borne respiratory viruses are unstoppable with anything less than a *properly* fitted and worn N95 or a positice pressure respirator.  That whole flattening the curve just meant extending the pandemic for longer.  Large narrow spike or lower wider spike - area under the curve remains the same since all the people who would get COVID did get COVID.  My family had it twice. No idea what the external vector was, but the first infected have it to the rest of us within 3 days before we even knew what it was.  Yeah it sucked. For someone with comorbidities my wife and I assessed  our risk and were vaccinated before we got it.  Fever, no smell/taste, very congested sinuses, shortness of breath (like being at a higher altitude). Kids were not vaccinated - they had the sniffles for two days.  2nd time we got it, only the boy and I got it - he had sniffles for like 6 hours and I had a low grade fever for 2 hours plus burning sinus pain for 2 days - a complete nothing.

Ruechel pretty much makes this abundantly clear that what is happening is exactly what could have been predicted and prevented if governments had not had experts who were advising them panic based upon media reported case counts even as those case counts were an order of magnitude less than the number of people who had antibodies before there were vaccines.

A similar reaction will have similar outcomes for future pandemics.  You protect the vulnerable and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Masks of N95 grade were the law in Germany. Now you can make a case that people flouted the expected standard, but it didn't achieve anything at all.

But I agree, there is no "stopping" a respiratory virus, only slowing the spread. Ie slowing the arrival of herd immunity and thus prolonging it. Though the experience of highly jabbed countries shows the vaccination programmes extend that period ever further. Look at Israel - each rollout is followed by a spike in cases which goes even higher than the last time. They've turned a seasonal virus into an all-year virus.

[ZetaRidley]

Every single last cunt who enacted mandates of any kind need to be held accountable. I don't care if hiding them accountable involves firing them or firing on them.

But they've done it, they've flattened the curve!

Against the wrong axis...

It's obvious every single one of them failed basic virology along with statistics.  Aerosol-borne respiratory viruses are unstoppable with anything less than a *properly* fitted and worn N95 or a positice pressure respirator.  That whole flattening the curve just meant extending the pandemic for longer.  Large narrow spike or lower wider spike - area under the curve remains the same since all the people who would get COVID did get COVID.  My family had it twice. No idea what the external vector was, but the first infected have it to the rest of us within 3 days before we even knew what it was.  Yeah it sucked. For someone with comorbidities my wife and I assessed  our risk and were vaccinated before we got it.  Fever, no smell/taste, very congested sinuses, shortness of breath (like being at a higher altitude). Kids were not vaccinated - they had the sniffles for two days.  2nd time we got it, only the boy and I got it - he had sniffles for like 6 hours and I had a low grade fever for 2 hours plus burning sinus pain for 2 days - a complete nothing.

Ruechel pretty much makes this abundantly clear that what is happening is exactly what could have been predicted and prevented if governments had not had experts who were advising them panic based upon media reported case counts even as those case counts were an order of magnitude less than the number of people who had antibodies before there were vaccines.

A similar reaction will have similar outcomes for future pandemics.  You protect the vulnerable and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Basically this. This mask thing, and the social distancing, I don't think it really did anything good, other than weaken all of our immune systems. Our school district went back to school with no mask mandate, basically because we're in a red state and everyone put their foot down. Man, I've never been more sick in my life. A pretty bad cold in October, a Sinus Infection before Christmas, and I just got over the dreaded coof. My symptoms sound fairly similar to that you had the first go around, no where near the sickest I've been, but it sucked. After about a week, symptoms pretty much disappeared over night.

The EU wants powers to seize private property in a "pandemic". No chance those powers could be abused, is there?

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-seeks-emergency-powers-on-supply-chains/

It's obvious every single one of them failed basic virology along with statistics.  Aerosol-borne respiratory viruses are unstoppable with anything less than a *properly* fitted and worn N95 or a positice pressure respirator.  That whole flattening the curve just meant extending the pandemic for longer.  Large narrow spike or lower wider spike - area under the curve remains the same since all the people who would get COVID did get COVID.  My family had it twice. No idea what the external vector was, but the first infected have it to the rest of us within 3 days before we even knew what it was.  Yeah it sucked. For someone with comorbidities my wife and I assessed  our risk and were vaccinated before we got it.  Fever, no smell/taste, very congested sinuses, shortness of breath (like being at a higher altitude). Kids were not vaccinated - they had the sniffles for two days.  2nd time we got it, only the boy and I got it - he had sniffles for like 6 hours and I had a low grade fever for 2 hours plus burning sinus pain for 2 days - a complete nothing.

Ruechel pretty much makes this abundantly clear that what is happening is exactly what could have been predicted and prevented if governments had not had experts who were advising them panic based upon media reported case counts even as those case counts were an order of magnitude less than the number of people who had antibodies before there were vaccines.

A similar reaction will have similar outcomes for future pandemics.  You protect the vulnerable and leave everyone else the fuck alone.

Masks of N95 grade were the law in Germany. Now you can make a case that people flouted the expected standard, but it didn't achieve anything at all.

But I agree, there is no "stopping" a respiratory virus, only slowing the spread. Ie slowing the arrival of herd immunity and thus prolonging it. Though the experience of highly jabbed countries shows the vaccination programmes extend that period ever further. Look at Israel - each rollout is followed by a spike in cases which goes even higher than the last time. They've turned a seasonal virus into an all-year virus.

This is the problem really. The policies just made everything worse. Also, I don't think these vaccines were worth a shit. And why are they pushing them so hard? They were formulated for the previous, first incarnation of the virus. It seems like Omnicron is the variant everyone is getting now anyway. Governments need to have a serious look at their policies, because this didn't work out the way they though it would at all. What's even worse is if you try to talk about this shit, the doom porn filled government sycophants have allowed any legitimate criticism of the government to be ignored with labels such as "anitvax" or whatnot.

[Pat]

If anyone's interested:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

New study that compares hospitalization rates among those who are vaccinated, who had a previous infection, or who had no protection at all. It's an early release, but by all reports seems to be a pretty solid study, controlling for all relevant factors. What's interesting is that it's by the CDC, and published by them, and ends up strongly supporting natural immunity. Here's the key graph:



That big blue line that makes a big peak then a smaller one across the middle of the graph? Those are the people with no previous exposure. If you haven't been vaccinated or caught covid-19 before, there's a significant risk of hospitalization.

The most interesting part is the lines at the bottom. You see the clump of nearly straight lines just barely above the y-axis? That's everyone else. If you've had the jab or the disease, your chances of hospitalization are really low, almost flatlined. And the natural immunity line is below the vaccinated line, meaning natural immunity works better than the vax. Previous exposure plus vaccination is better, but the two lines are almost on top of each other, so the vax doesn't add much to natural immunity.

I think this the first time the CDC has admitted the efficacy of natural immunity when it comes to covid-19.

[dkabq]

If anyone's interested:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

<snark>
You really need to stop referencing alt-right, crack-pot, conspiracy theory websites like the US Centers for Disease Control. But then, by the same token, I need to stop referencing the US Food & Drug Administration regarding cloth and surgical mask efficacy with respect to their inability to filter aerosols.
</snark>

[Zirunel]

Deaths solely from covid with no underlying conditions since the start of the "pandemic" in the UK: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/deathsfromcovid19withnootherunderlyingcauses

17,000 (and less than 4,000 of those were under 65). Which is basically nothing, that's 11 days worth of normal deaths from all causes from almost two years of this charade. That's why they had to invent the grossly over-inflated deaths "with" nonsense. There is no pandemic, there never was.

The only candidate for a link I can find is the one referenced here:

Obviously, if this was the link it is gone. And although I never saw it, probably for good reason.

It sounds as though you just blorped out the first link you found. possibly without even reading it. Do you have anything better?

Paragraph 71-73 in the ICC filing: https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf#page=25

This is meaningless. The "document" is just a complaint filed by a group of (seriously) self-described "activists." It proves nothing.

[jhkim]

New study that compares hospitalization rates among those who are vaccinated, who had a previous infection, or who had no protection at all. It's an early release, but by all reports seems to be a pretty solid study, controlling for all relevant factors. What's interesting is that it's by the CDC, and published by them, and ends up strongly supporting natural immunity. Here's the key graph:



That big blue line that makes a big peak then a smaller one across the middle of the graph? Those are the people with no previous exposure. If you haven't been vaccinated or caught covid-19 before, there's a significant risk of hospitalization.

The most interesting part is the lines at the bottom. You see the clump of nearly straight lines just barely above the y-axis? That's everyone else. If you've had the jab or the disease, your chances of hospitalization are really low, almost flatlined. And the natural immunity line is below the vaccinated line, meaning natural immunity works better than the vax. Previous exposure plus vaccination is better, but the two lines are almost on top of each other, so the vax doesn't add much to natural immunity.

I agree that this shows value to natural immunity. However, it also shows that the vaccines have a huge effect compared to being unvaccinated for first exposure. So if one considers this good data, it contradicts claims from posters like ZetaRidley who says that the "vaccines aren't worth shit". The vaccines have a huge effect on this chart.

[Shasarak]

Here's everything you should know about covid being a pandemic of our own making...

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html?m=1

Pretty comprehensive. That section on New Zealand lines up with exactly what I said months ago - trying to achieve "zero covid" by shutting down your country is lunacy. Unsurprisingly, they're being hammered by every other respiratory infection and as soon as they open up covid will hit them as well.

Can confirm that NZ is avoiding respiratory infections.

But then it is summer so dont expect much until April.

[Pat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPDmyYuXWMw

Far ranging talk about covid-19 and the response, especially related to omicron. The two participant are both M.D.s, one with a Masters in Public Health who has authored over 300 papers, and the other has been running an ER during the pandemic, so they combine a very strong theoretical background with a boots on the ground look at what's actually been happening. Both are strongly pro-intervention and pro-active public health, but despite that they're pushing back strongly against the narrative and think things went wrong and way too far.

The discussion covers with covid vs. from covid (60/40), mandates, the mental health damage to children, where the science is good and where it's missing (given the massive repercussions and almost complete lack of evidence, why hasn't the CDC funded a RCT on the effectiveness of children wearing masks at some point the last 2 years?), the trade offs when it comes to vaxxes and different age groups, how we should be allocating the jabs (boosters for children are silly when there are seniors who haven't had the shot), the absurdity of the response by various schools and universities to omicron, how we seem to be prioritizing the elderly over children (contrary to... well basically every time and place throughout history), some insight into how healthcare officials are rationalizing their recommendations (given the climate, if we recommend A, that may lead to positive result B, even if there's no justification for A in the first place), how among providers the fear of testing positive is much greater than fear of the disease (because of the disruption), and much more.

It's an hour long, but even the first 20 minutes or so will give a good taste.

[Ghostmaker]

Despite New York courts ruling the mask mandate was unconstitutional, it appears Kathy Hochul likes her imperial power too much to give a flip and told the schools, 'keep enforcing'.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/01/25/new-york-kathy-hochul-elise-stefanik-mask-mandates-schools/
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/01/25/new-york-enters-constitutional-crisis-territory-after-schools-disobey-court-order-on-mask-freedom-n512417
https://www.dailywire.com/news/education-department-tells-all-ny-parents-that-kids-have-to-mask-despite-supreme-court-ruling-it-illegal

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." --Daniel Webster