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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 342111 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #3645 on: January 09, 2022, 01:54:41 AM »
It took you that long to recognize that society is on the cusp of collapse (and has been for a very long time) because of the mediocrity and incompetence that passes for government and industry "expertise?" The vast majority of those who are considered "experts," or "the foremost authority on" something are anything but.  They're all essentially the Theranos bitch grifting through their career and life. If politicians were qualified to govern or legislate, we'd have laws written such that an average 5 year old could understand them and there would never be fraud, waste, corruption or abuse in any government.

Yes, politicians aren't benevolent and qualified leaders - and governments are full of fraud, waste, corruption, and abuse. However, that has always been true throughout history. If corruptions and abuse in government was a sign of collapse, then society must have had tons of collapses all the time. This just seems naive of history.

As I read histories, I am never struck that government and industry were full of competence and excellence. I think it should be accepted that this is how society works. We can try to make it better, or we can bemoan that we're all doomed because something that has been true throughout history is still true today.

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« Reply #3646 on: January 09, 2022, 08:57:24 AM »
No Way to Grow Up
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/briefing/american-children-crisis-pandemic.html

Even the NYT acknowledges that covid is not a significant risk for children. And yet all of the NYT-reading leftist are baying for children to be vaccinated.

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« Reply #3647 on: January 09, 2022, 09:15:18 AM »
It took you that long to recognize that society is on the cusp of collapse (and has been for a very long time) because of the mediocrity and incompetence that passes for government and industry "expertise?" The vast majority of those who are considered "experts," or "the foremost authority on" something are anything but.  They're all essentially the Theranos bitch grifting through their career and life. If politicians were qualified to govern or legislate, we'd have laws written such that an average 5 year old could understand them and there would never be fraud, waste, corruption or abuse in any government.

Yes, politicians aren't benevolent and qualified leaders - and governments are full of fraud, waste, corruption, and abuse. However, that has always been true throughout history. If corruptions and abuse in government was a sign of collapse, then society must have had tons of collapses all the time. This just seems naive of history.

As I read histories, I am never struck that government and industry were full of competence and excellence. I think it should be accepted that this is how society works. We can try to make it better, or we can bemoan that we're all doomed because something that has been true throughout history is still true today.

It's the whole "good people fix problems, which leads to complacency which leads to corruption, which leads to revolution by good people to fix problems..."

Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #3648 on: January 09, 2022, 09:17:39 AM »
Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...
Are you saying Australians are stupid? That's hate speech!

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« Reply #3649 on: January 09, 2022, 04:13:36 PM »
Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...
Are you saying Australians are stupid? That's hate speech!

"Hate speech" is free speech...  Without the 2nd, we wouldn't have the 1st...  Australia has neither, anymore.

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« Reply #3650 on: January 09, 2022, 04:26:36 PM »
Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...
Are you saying Australians are stupid? That's hate speech!

"Hate speech" is free speech...  Without the 2nd, we wouldn't have the 1st...  Australia has neither, anymore.

You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

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« Reply #3651 on: January 09, 2022, 06:07:56 PM »
Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...
Are you saying Australians are stupid? That's hate speech!

"Hate speech" is free speech...  Without the 2nd, we wouldn't have the 1st...  Australia has neither, anymore.

You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

As long as the King of England says its all good.
I didn't know Elizabeth came out as transgender. Or is that his dead name now?

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« Reply #3652 on: January 09, 2022, 07:36:20 PM »
Luckily some of us (the collective "we") were smart enough to not allow government to take away the right to bear arms...
Are you saying Australians are stupid? That's hate speech!

"Hate speech" is free speech...  Without the 2nd, we wouldn't have the 1st...  Australia has neither, anymore.

You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

As long as the King of England says its all good.

Australia *used* to have firearms.  I was referring to that, not their constitution itself.

While we're at it, the Australian Constitution does not protect *personal* rights to free speech or adsembly.  Fundamentally different than the US where the bill of rights enumerates that they are *not* restrictions on legislation because the people do not derive them from government permission.

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« Reply #3653 on: January 09, 2022, 08:34:55 PM »
The narrative is starting to unravel.

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1480327667861782528

I'm expecting a ton of backpedaling and "The science was settled, now we have new data, so It's re-settled!" shenanigans.
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« Reply #3654 on: January 09, 2022, 08:56:04 PM »
The narrative is starting to unravel.

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1480327667861782528

I'm expecting a ton of backpedaling and "The science was settled, now we have new data, so It's re-settled!" shenanigans.

The most interesting thing is The Ethical Skeptic had been suggesting that omicron is actually a grandchild of a covid strain that predates alpha.

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« Reply #3655 on: January 09, 2022, 09:13:49 PM »
Trust the Science! Doublemask your buttholes!! For the children!


You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

The US has a poor track record of following the US Constitution.

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« Reply #3656 on: January 09, 2022, 10:24:57 PM »
Trust the Science! Doublemask your buttholes!! For the children!


You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

The US has a poor track record of following the US Constitution.

It is more what youd call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules
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« Reply #3657 on: January 10, 2022, 01:51:54 AM »
Noted conspiracy theorist Anthony Fauci, who in the past has agreed with known conspiracy theories like the idea that covid-19 may have come from a Wuhan lab, has now jumped on board with a new conspiracy theory: That the number of hospitalizations for covid-19 has been overcounted.

WARNING CONTAINS HARMFUL DISINFORMATION WARNING
Quote from: From his MSNBC interview
If a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID. And they get counted as a COVID-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So it’s overcounting the number of children who are, quote, ‘hospitalized with COVID,’ as opposed to because of COVID.

When are we going to finally cancel this alt-right wacko from all platforms for misinformation?
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« Reply #3658 on: January 10, 2022, 08:12:15 AM »
Trust the Science! Doublemask your buttholes!! For the children!


You know other countries dont follow the US Constitution, right?

The US has a poor track record of following the US Constitution.

It is more what youd call ‘guidelines’ than actual rules

And that's the problem for leftists... They don't understand words like "Congress shall make no law," or "...shall not be infringed" are absolutes.

In engineering terms, they're "shall" statements - i.e. they are requirements, not design goals...

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« Reply #3659 on: January 10, 2022, 08:22:52 AM »
Noted conspiracy theorist Anthony Fauci, who in the past has agreed with known conspiracy theories like the idea that covid-19 may have come from a Wuhan lab, has now jumped on board with a new conspiracy theory: That the number of hospitalizations for covid-19 has been overcounted.

WARNING CONTAINS HARMFUL DISINFORMATION WARNING
Quote from: From his MSNBC interview
If a child goes in the hospital, they automatically get tested for COVID. And they get counted as a COVID-hospitalized individual. When in fact, they may go in for a broken leg or appendicitis or something like that. So it’s overcounting the number of children who are, quote, ‘hospitalized with COVID,’ as opposed to because of COVID.

When are we going to finally cancel this alt-right wacko from all platforms for misinformation?

Inorite...  It's almost as if there was a concerted effort to make a sitting President look bad as an opportunity after screwing up research work that you weren't allowed to be doing to begin with, and then having to figure out how to try and extricate yourself from the flaming wreckage that resulted...