Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

The real problem with conspiracy websites is that they serve mainly as counter-intel to ridiculize the very legitimate arguments about the abuse of institutions, which didn't cause Covid in some great Shadowy Cabal Master Plan, but who are taking enormous advantage of Covid for their own power-grab, as well as for personal enrichment.

It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.

Only problem in this instance is that there's nothing "secret" about it. How do you explain virtually every government mouthpiece using the WEF's "Build Back Better" and repeatedly referring to elements of the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, which align to it?

[Kiero]

Lastest UK government bullshit, they don't talk about the "unvaccinated" any more, but the "unboostered" - meaning anyone who hasn't had three jabs.

Our PM was on record yesterday claiming 90% of those in ICU were unboostered - which might even be true. Unfortunately for the narrative, the majority of them had two jabs, rather than none at all. There's also evidence most of those worst affected contracted the virus in hospital. Ooops.

[HappyDaze]

Lastest UK government bullshit, they don't talk about the "unvaccinated" any more, but the "unboostered" - meaning anyone who hasn't had three jabs.

Our PM was on record yesterday claiming 90% of those in ICU were unboostered - which might even be true. Unfortunately for the narrative, the majority of them had two jabs, rather than none at all. There's also evidence most of those worst affected contracted the virus in hospital. Ooops.

Show, don't tell.

[Kiero]

Show, don't tell.

Why should I bother?

Here's something more useful, put your overweening and outsized fear in proportion, with this clinical calculator of your personal risk from covid: https://www.qcovid.org/

Mine:
Risk of catching and being admitted to hospital with COVID-19    0.0575%
Risk of catching and being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 following a positive test result    2.0103%
Risk of catching and dying from COVID-19    0.0009%
Risk of dying from COVID-19 following a positive test result    0.1248%

What's more I have no risk factors, so should be using the lower results from column b. And the test doesn't even ask far more important questions about my level of activity and intake of vitamins C and D, along with zinc and other micronutrients.

I'd be amazed if you get over 1%.

[HappyDaze]

Show, don't tell.

Why should I bother?

Here's something more useful, put your overweening and outsized fear in proportion, with this clinical calculator of your personal risk from covid: https://www.qcovid.org/

Mine:
Risk of catching and being admitted to hospital with COVID-19    0.0575%
Risk of catching and being admitted to hospital with COVID-19 following a positive test result    2.0103%
Risk of catching and dying from COVID-19    0.0009%
Risk of dying from COVID-19 following a positive test result    0.1248%

What's more I have no risk factors, so should be using the lower results from column b. And the test doesn't even ask far more important questions about my level of activity and intake of vitamins C and D, along with zinc and other micronutrients.

I'd be amazed if you get over 1%.

I'm asking you to show the evidence that the worst infected contracted the virus in hospital (that's the linenof your post I put in bold to call attention to it. Perhaps I should have used another color?

[Kiero]

I'm asking you to show the evidence that the worst infected contracted the virus in hospital (that's the linenof your post I put in bold to call attention to it. Perhaps I should have used another color?

And I'm telling you fuck off, I can't be bothered.

[jhkim]

The real problem with conspiracy websites is that they serve mainly as counter-intel to ridiculize the very legitimate arguments about the abuse of institutions, which didn't cause Covid in some great Shadowy Cabal Master Plan, but who are taking enormous advantage of Covid for their own power-grab, as well as for personal enrichment.

It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.

I'd agree that in general, people often use extremes to ridiculize legitimate arguments from the other side. However, in this case, the person citing the work in question is Kiero -- who I believe cited it in good faith. HappyDaze just accurately quoted from a source that Kiero himself first referenced -- the filing with the International Criminal Court here:

https://www.docdroid.com/WUjv6iw/icc-complaint-7-1-pdf

This isn't a false association - it's part of the authentic debate between posters here.

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

[Mistwell]

The real problem with conspiracy websites is that they serve mainly as counter-intel to ridiculize the very legitimate arguments about the abuse of institutions, which didn't cause Covid in some great Shadowy Cabal Master Plan, but who are taking enormous advantage of Covid for their own power-grab, as well as for personal enrichment.

It's being done by almost every government on the planet, by the nonelected bureaucracies of those governments, by establishment corporations and media, by teacher's unions, and yes, by the World Economic Forum. And the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away and much greater centralized control by a power elite. And none of that needs a secret master plan.

Only problem in this instance is that there's nothing "secret" about it. How do you explain virtually every government mouthpiece using the WEF's "Build Back Better" and repeatedly referring to elements of the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, which align to it?

They gave you an out. You didn't take it and doubled down again on actual nutcase conspiracy theory.

At some point, more people will notice you might need meds.

[Shasarak]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

[DocJones]

Only problem in this instance is that there's nothing "secret" about it. How do you explain virtually every government mouthpiece using the WEF's "Build Back Better" and repeatedly referring to elements of the UN's Sustainable Development Goals, which align to it?

Don't worry about it.  Raymond Reddington is QAnon.  He will have stopped the Cabal by the end of this season.  Trust the plan.

[Mistwell]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

You think the entire purpose of the SEC was to find Bernie Madoff?

[jhkim]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

As far as I can tell from conversations with her, the problem is that the SEC has very limited authority to investigate and prosecute. They are nothing like drug cops who can bust down doors and seize evidence.  It's difficult to prosecute big corporations for anything given their armies of lawyers, and the SEC is not an exception. My sister has been on the witness stand a handful of times at prosecutions, but at best the SEC seem to be a partial deterrent against the most blatant abuses, and prosecutions are rare.

Basically, it's not that the SEC is failing to enforce the law -- it's that the laws themselves favor those with expensive lawyers, and that is because the laws tend to be written by corporations, or at least with corporate consultants.

I know partly because she worked on the other side of the law previously, as a consultant for Deloitte where she was hired often to get around the law as much as possible.

[Kiero]

They gave you an out. You didn't take it and doubled down again on actual nutcase conspiracy theory.

At some point, more people will notice you might need meds.

Don't worry, Misty, a few years from now you'll catch up.

[Eirikrautha]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

As far as I can tell from conversations with her, the problem is that the SEC has very limited authority to investigate and prosecute. They are nothing like drug cops who can bust down doors and seize evidence.  It's difficult to prosecute big corporations for anything given their armies of lawyers, and the SEC is not an exception. My sister has been on the witness stand a handful of times at prosecutions, but at best the SEC seem to be a partial deterrent against the most blatant abuses, and prosecutions are rare.

Basically, it's not that the SEC is failing to enforce the law -- it's that the laws themselves favor those with expensive lawyers, and that is because the laws tend to be written by corporations, or at least with corporate consultants.

I know partly because she worked on the other side of the law previously, as a consultant for Deloitte where she was hired often to get around the law as much as possible.

No corporation can ever compete with the finances available to the federal government.  You are correct, though, that the vast majority of federal agencies are filled with people who used to work for the businesses that they are supposed to be regulating.  It's called "regulatory capture" and it's a huge part of the problem.  So, no one needs to tell your sister what the "plan" is.  She's already worked for the folks who made the plan ("get rich at any cost, everyone else... and their rights... be damned"). 

[Pat]

As for your position, Pundit... You say that "the individual goal of these actors would be to see our human and civil rights stripped away". I'm trying to clarify what you mean by that. For example, my sister is part of the unelected bureaucracy - she's a deputy director at the Securities and Exchange Commission. Do you think she knows that this is the goal? If you don't think that, then who in the organization would know that is the goal? Basically, how would one go about verifying this?

No offense to your sister who I am sure is a fine person indeed but the SEC could not even find Bernie Madoff and that is supposed to be their one job.

So what do you think?  Corrupt or Incompetent?  A little of column A and a little of column B?

You think the entire purpose of the SEC was to find Bernie Madoff?

How many corrupt bankers were jailed after the crash of 2008?

The SEC doesn't seem to do much except put barriers in the way of startups.