Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

Rumours that we'll be moving to "Plan B" tomorrow - meaning lockdown and vaccine passports. Even though there's no justification whatsoever from the UK statistics (hospitalisations and deaths are flat) and Omicron is even more of a nothingburger than Delta was.

[Ghostmaker]

https://www.newsweek.com/mom-son-vaccinated-school-permission-pizza-california-1656792

Mind you, it's Newsweek.

But bribing kids with pizza, giving them the vax, and then encouraging them not to tell their parents is so far out of bounds I should not even have to voice it.

[3catcircus]

https://www.newsweek.com/mom-son-vaccinated-school-permission-pizza-california-1656792

Mind you, it's Newsweek.

But bribing kids with pizza, giving them the vax, and then encouraging them not to tell their parents is so far out of bounds I should not even have to voice it.

Shouldn't even be a trial.  Shit like that is grounds for summary execution.

[Kiero]

No lockdown for now, just an extension of the mask mandates that I'll carry on ignoring and vaccine passports for public venues. Along with work from home guidance.

Lies about the jabs being effective against Omicron (it isn't) so to try to push more boosters. All their paid press monkeys reinforcing the "get boosted" bullshit.

[Ghostmaker]

https://www.newsweek.com/mom-son-vaccinated-school-permission-pizza-california-1656792

Mind you, it's Newsweek.

But bribing kids with pizza, giving them the vax, and then encouraging them not to tell their parents is so far out of bounds I should not even have to voice it.

Shouldn't even be a trial.  Shit like that is grounds for summary execution.

'Indefensible' is the word that springs to mind.

Because holy shit. On what planet would it be acceptable to give a minor a vaccination and encourage them to not tell their parents?

There is so much wrong with this thought process. Liability issues. The fact that this is a tactic used by child molesters to groom victims. Contempt for parents and parental authority (well, we saw that shit in Virginia so I shouldn't be too surprised). 

Jesus fucking Krypton. And I'm sure Misty will be along to tell me all about how I'm just a doo-doo head for opposing the science.

[Pat]

Don't violations of the Numerberg code carry the death penalty?

[Kiero]

Don't violations of the Numerberg code carry the death penalty?

You know the head of the European Commission wants to repeal the Nuremburg Code (and by extension all the Member States of the EU follow suit), right?

[Pat]

Don't violations of the Numerberg code carry the death penalty?

You know the head of the European Commission wants to repeal the Nuremburg Code (and by extension all the Member States of the EU follow suit), right?

It's all about being on the right side of history.

[Zelen]

Hmm.

[Kiero]

It's all about being on the right side of history.

Funny that they always claim euroskeptics are "swivel-eyed loons" for making Nazi allusions when it comes to the EU, then they pull shit like that.

Hmm.

Just a few vaccidental coincideaths...

[Ratman_tf]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/health/covid-fat-obesity.html

"The research may help explain why people who are overweight and obese have been at higher risk of severe illness and death from Covid."

[Zelen]

New study out of Israel compares the effectiveness of natural immunity vs. injection vs. NI+I vs. I+NI. Natural immunity is demonstrated to be far superior to injection across the entire study's time period. Aligns well with results seen in Sweden, India, et. al that have not relied on injections to beat Sars-Cov-2.

Harvard study demonstrates positive correlation between injection-rate and Covid-19 cases across 68 countries.



This aligns with UK HSA data demonstrating injections result in higher chance of infection.

Danish data indicates negative efficiency for injections:


Generally I think the statement that, "Injections don't reduce infections. But they do reduce mortality" has been defensible. But why are we not seeing lower CFR comparing 2020 vs. 2021 when so many are now injected?

[3catcircus]

New study out of Israel compares the effectiveness of natural immunity vs. injection vs. NI+I vs. I+NI. Natural immunity is demonstrated to be far superior to injection across the entire study's time period. Aligns well with results seen in Sweden, India, et. al that have not relied on injections to beat Sars-Cov-2.

Harvard study demonstrates positive correlation between injection-rate and Covid-19 cases across 68 countries.



This aligns with UK HSA data demonstrating injections result in higher chance of infection.

Danish data indicates negative efficiency for injections:


Generally I think the statement that, "Injections don't reduce infections. But they do reduce mortality" has been defensible. But why are we not seeing lower CFR comparing 2020 vs. 2021 when so many are now injected?

I don't necessarily know that those conclusions are correct.  In countries with high vaccination rates, if the vaccines don't prevent infection to begin with, you'd expect to see a larger percentage of infected who were previously vaccinated simply because of a larger percentage of the total population having been vaccinated.  One also can't discount that the vaccinated may be "riskier" in their behavior, leading to more of them being infected then those who aren't vaccinated and still hiding in their basements.

[Zelen]

I don't necessarily know that those conclusions are correct.  In countries with high vaccination rates, if the vaccines don't prevent infection to begin with, you'd expect to see a larger percentage of infected who were previously vaccinated simply because of a larger percentage of the total population having been vaccinated.  One also can't discount that the vaccinated may be "riskier" in their behavior, leading to more of them being infected then those who aren't vaccinated and still hiding in their basements.

It's data, not a conclusion. There's undoubtedly confounders.
The real point is simply to emphasize that so much of the madness we see (e.g. demonization of outgroup, mandatory injections, social credit passports, concentration camps) are based on completely nonscientific indeed contrary-to-all-evidence assumptions about who is infected and spreading Sars-Cov-2.

[3catcircus]

I don't necessarily know that those conclusions are correct.  In countries with high vaccination rates, if the vaccines don't prevent infection to begin with, you'd expect to see a larger percentage of infected who were previously vaccinated simply because of a larger percentage of the total population having been vaccinated.  One also can't discount that the vaccinated may be "riskier" in their behavior, leading to more of them being infected then those who aren't vaccinated and still hiding in their basements.

It's data, not a conclusion. There's undoubtedly confounders.
The real point is simply to emphasize that so much of the madness we see (e.g. demonization of outgroup, mandatory injections, social credit passports, concentration camps) are based on completely nonscientific indeed contrary-to-all-evidence assumptions about who is infected and spreading Sars-Cov-2.

Fair enough, but we also need to recognize that anti-vaxxers may draw the wrong conclusion that being vaccinated will lead to being more susceptible to getting infected.