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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 342119 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2985 on: October 27, 2021, 07:58:21 PM »
The only thing that's sure about ivermectin is they've lied about it and tried to suppress it, and the liars and suppressors are the same people who want to take away free speech under the guise of fighting "misinformation".

Because reasons.

This whole narrative is incoherent. Your best defence of it has been that government naturally gathers power out of crises but that's an assumption that only acts as an excuse for a conspiracy theory.

I'm not as knowledgeable about US politics as I am of the UK sort. As far as I can see you had a shit show that you replaced with another because it was wasn't the first.
"My" best defense? Whose narrative, mine or theirs? What am I supposed to be defending, and where did I defend it? You seem to be a big fan of suggesting people are conspiracy theorists without directly stating your position or specifically addressing anything other people say.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2986 on: October 27, 2021, 08:18:22 PM »
I'm not as knowledgeable...
You could have stopped there and been equally as accurate.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2987 on: October 28, 2021, 07:56:35 AM »
The only thing that's sure about ivermectin is they've lied about it and tried to suppress it, and the liars and suppressors are the same people who want to take away free speech under the guise of fighting "misinformation".

Because reasons.

This whole narrative is incoherent. Your best defence of it has been that government naturally gathers power out of crises but that's an assumption that only acts as an excuse for a conspiracy theory.

I'm not as knowledgeable about US politics as I am of the UK sort. As far as I can see you had a shit show that you replaced with another because it was wasn't the first.
Ah, a bongland inmate. That explains a bit.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2988 on: October 28, 2021, 04:45:57 PM »
I am saying the people who conducted the study give a summary and their summary concludes exactly the opposite of this meme.

IOW: "I don't care about the data, just about the politicized interpretation of the data."

You mean like a meme?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2989 on: October 28, 2021, 04:49:38 PM »
I'm not always up on my racism.  Are people here really pretending they don't know the difference between Colin Powell and James Earl Jones and/or Colin Powell and Barrack Obama?
I think it's less out of racism and more out of generic sarcasm.
It is important to note that part of becoming a Leftist is replacing your sense of humor with an extra outrage meter.
Funny, Pundit's video persona is all based on stoking the outrage of old school D&D players, and I don't figure most of his audience is Leftist.

Zing! The entire theme of this message board and almost every topic in this sub-forum is super serious exaggerated outrage

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2990 on: October 28, 2021, 04:52:03 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2991 on: October 28, 2021, 05:08:20 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

Care to proffer an over/under for either of those?

In the US, my proffer is that there may be one more lockdown, likely invoked by the spread of the next variant. After that, I think that a sufficient number of people will be fed up with lockdowns that to invoke yet another would be political suicide. So my over/under is 1.5, and I am taking the over.

I think that in (D) states mask mandates will happen twice a year, in conjunction with the summer and winter case peaks. I will take 6.5 as my over/under, and I am taking the over. I am assuming that "Let's go Brandon" will go the way of the peanut farmer, and that will bring mask mandates to a halt.

I also predict that the very (D) politicians that push mask mandates will increasingly violate them (e.g. Biden, Breed, Lightfoot, Newsom). No over/under, just a freebie.

And as an additional bonus, I predict that as long as there is covid, we will be forced to get a covid vax every six months. Again, no over/under, just another freebie.




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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2992 on: October 28, 2021, 07:53:19 PM »
Reminder:


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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2993 on: October 28, 2021, 07:57:52 PM »


Was Sars-Cov-2 or related virus circulating before 2019?
I don't know if there's enough evidence to draw this conclusion, but it's really hard to understand how Sars-Cov-2 achieved worldwide spread in about 1 month in 2020 but Delta has taken ~12+ months to do the same thing, despite being claimed as significantly more transmissable.



It would go a long way toward explaining this type of graph too, since the pre-2019 excess mortality in Asia and prevalence of natural immunity would effectively give us graphs like these:


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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2994 on: October 28, 2021, 08:21:35 PM »
From serological studies, we know there was widespread community transmission in the US by late 2019. There's a good argument that there was an outbreak of covid-19 in October 2019 at the Military World Games in Wuhan, which excluding the mine in 2012 would be the earliest known outbreak. It seems unlikely it was spreading before 2019. Natural immunity in SE Asia seems like a strong hypothesis, but it's probably cross-immunity from other coronavirus strains. We know that Sars1 provides a degree of immunity against Sars2, after all. Delta was spreading in a more competitive environment, and remember it goes in seasonal waves.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2995 on: October 28, 2021, 08:30:06 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

Greetings!

Ahh, yes. And if somehow, the people rise up and force the regime of the petty tyrants to shut the fuck up and back down in retreat, then the rest of the country gets to return to something like a happy normal...that would greatly please me, an make me happy. I hope it does happen! 

I just also believe that there is a chance that it won't, and the tyranny will continue.

Here where *I* am, though, everyday life is pretty normal, and has returned to being normal. There are no fucking lockdowns and no fucking mask mandates. The only people that you typically see wearing masks are nurses and staff working inside hospitals and medical clinics.

Here, if people tried to demand that people wear masks like they do in California and other places, well, they would likely get fucking shot and killed. People here are armed to the teeth, and believe in guns, the Bible, and freedom. ;D

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2996 on: October 28, 2021, 08:48:39 PM »

"1 eternity to flatten the curve"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPuAG07-5Yo

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2997 on: October 28, 2021, 09:45:57 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

Care to proffer an over/under for either of those?

In the US, my proffer is that there may be one more lockdown, likely invoked by the spread of the next variant. After that, I think that a sufficient number of people will be fed up with lockdowns that to invoke yet another would be political suicide. So my over/under is 1.5, and I am taking the over.

I think that in (D) states mask mandates will happen twice a year, in conjunction with the summer and winter case peaks. I will take 6.5 as my over/under, and I am taking the over. I am assuming that "Let's go Brandon" will go the way of the peanut farmer, and that will bring mask mandates to a halt.

I also predict that the very (D) politicians that push mask mandates will increasingly violate them (e.g. Biden, Breed, Lightfoot, Newsom). No over/under, just a freebie.

And as an additional bonus, I predict that as long as there is covid, we will be forced to get a covid vax every six months. Again, no over/under, just another freebie.

Your over/under is years, measured from today?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2998 on: October 28, 2021, 09:59:13 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

Care to proffer an over/under for either of those?

In the US, my proffer is that there may be one more lockdown, likely invoked by the spread of the next variant. After that, I think that a sufficient number of people will be fed up with lockdowns that to invoke yet another would be political suicide. So my over/under is 1.5, and I am taking the over.

I think that in (D) states mask mandates will happen twice a year, in conjunction with the summer and winter case peaks. I will take 6.5 as my over/under, and I am taking the over. I am assuming that "Let's go Brandon" will go the way of the peanut farmer, and that will bring mask mandates to a halt.

I also predict that the very (D) politicians that push mask mandates will increasingly violate them (e.g. Biden, Breed, Lightfoot, Newsom). No over/under, just a freebie.

And as an additional bonus, I predict that as long as there is covid, we will be forced to get a covid vax every six months. Again, no over/under, just another freebie.

Your over/under is years, measured from today?

My bad, should have included units.

1.5 lockdowns, with me taking the over (i.e., betting on there being 2+ lockdowns in the future).

6.5 mask mandates, with me taking the over (i.e., betting on there being 7+ mask mandates in the future).

Of course, these are all state dependent. if I lived in FL, TN, or TX, I would be taking the under. But I live in a Peoples' Republic state, so I am counting on more lockdowns and mask mandates.

And starting from now.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2999 on: October 28, 2021, 10:24:52 PM »
Greetings!

Yep, I said this months ago--there will never be an "END" to this virus crisis. There will never be an end to mask mandates, lockdowns, and whatever other restrictions they come up with.

When mask mandates and lockdowns end, I will remind you that you said this :)

Care to proffer an over/under for either of those?

In the US, my proffer is that there may be one more lockdown, likely invoked by the spread of the next variant. After that, I think that a sufficient number of people will be fed up with lockdowns that to invoke yet another would be political suicide. So my over/under is 1.5, and I am taking the over.

I think that in (D) states mask mandates will happen twice a year, in conjunction with the summer and winter case peaks. I will take 6.5 as my over/under, and I am taking the over. I am assuming that "Let's go Brandon" will go the way of the peanut farmer, and that will bring mask mandates to a halt.

I also predict that the very (D) politicians that push mask mandates will increasingly violate them (e.g. Biden, Breed, Lightfoot, Newsom). No over/under, just a freebie.

And as an additional bonus, I predict that as long as there is covid, we will be forced to get a covid vax every six months. Again, no over/under, just another freebie.

Your over/under is years, measured from today?

My bad, should have included units.

1.5 lockdowns, with me taking the over (i.e., betting on there being 2+ lockdowns in the future).

6.5 mask mandates, with me taking the over (i.e., betting on there being 7+ mask mandates in the future).

Of course, these are all state dependent. if I lived in FL, TN, or TX, I would be taking the under. But I live in a Peoples' Republic state, so I am counting on more lockdowns and mask mandates.

And starting from now.

Kinda a weird bet given it's so state dependent right? I mean, will 7 states revoke their current mask mandate and then reinstate it 1 more time? Is that how that would work? Wouldn't some just not revoke their mask mandate and that would count as 0 new mandates?