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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 121593 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2880 on: October 10, 2021, 08:29:29 PM »
it's best to regard peer review as something like a sniff test. It can be biased and superficial, but at least a couple people who should know better gave it a passing grade. It's not so much a filter for qualify, but a gate to prevent pure garbage from getting through.

I'm not sure opening it up really helps. It's just going to lead to journalists jumping to conclusions even sooner.

Peer review is so good that somehow this still managed to get through the sniff test:



Just releasing everything and letting the combined power of the Autist Internet community go to work may be the best way to fact check
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« Reply #2881 on: October 12, 2021, 05:45:21 AM »
What a mystifying correlation this is:

CDC chart

Deaths by mysterious causes follow the jab rollout.

Almost as though people are afraid they'll be fired if they report that the jab was the cause of death. Also seems to be a roughly four month time lag between jab and death. All from official CDC figures, reported here.

There are apparently 269 known adverse drug interactions with the Pfizer jab - but it's OK almost all of them are only "moderate" (source data here).

This is all fine, I'm sure...
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« Reply #2882 on: October 12, 2021, 08:42:45 AM »
Something jumped out at me regarding the Southwest cancellations.

The reason SW's corporate office is pushing the jab mandate so hard is that:

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On October 4, Southwest announced that its workforce of 56,000 must be vaccinated by December 8 to continue their employment with the airline. Southwest executives claimed they had no choice because the airline acts as a federal contractor, flying Afghan evacuees and such, and Biden's rules for such contractors are stricter than the 100-employee mandate.

(Bolding mine)

Would these be the same Afghan refugees that Jen 'Circle-Back' Psaki admitted weren't being tested for Covid (or for that matter, anything else)?

Good fucking grief.

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« Reply #2883 on: October 13, 2021, 10:43:51 AM »
In the latest instance of natural immunity from infection vastly superior to the anemic "immunity" the jabs give you: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01287-0
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« Reply #2884 on: October 13, 2021, 12:33:09 PM »
In the latest instance of natural immunity from infection vastly superior to the anemic "immunity" the jabs give you: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01287-0
The vaccine provides meaningful benefits even if exposure provides greater benefits (if survived and at risk of long-term effects). Even the exposed benefit further from the getting the vaccine, even if not as much. Your antivax rant are pathetic. What would you suggest, going for widespread total infection and to hell with those that don't survive?

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« Reply #2885 on: October 13, 2021, 12:52:53 PM »
The vaccine provides meaningful benefits even if exposure provides greater benefits (if survived and at risk of long-term effects). Even the exposed benefit further from the getting the vaccine, even if not as much. Your antivax rant are pathetic. What would you suggest, going for widespread total infection and to hell with those that don't survive?

Let's see how well the jabbed do this winter flu season, before pronouncing "greater benefits".

Uh, yes, which is what happened in every single year before 2020. What's pathetic is the cognitive dissonance you have to engage in to tell you that you did the right thing by subjecting yourself to an experimental treatment (that doesn't even work).
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« Reply #2886 on: October 13, 2021, 02:47:25 PM »
The vaccine provides meaningful benefits even if exposure provides greater benefits (if survived and at risk of long-term effects). Even the exposed benefit further from the getting the vaccine, even if not as much. Your antivax rant are pathetic. What would you suggest, going for widespread total infection and to hell with those that don't survive?

Let's see how well the jabbed do this winter flu season, before pronouncing "greater benefits".

Uh, yes, which is what happened in every single year before 2020. What's pathetic is the cognitive dissonance you have to engage in to tell you that you did the right thing by subjecting yourself to an experimental treatment (that doesn't even work).
Funny, my own experiences directly show that is working. If it's not working, then what explanation do you propose to explain that the vast majority of symptomatic patients I've seen have been unvaccinated?

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« Reply #2887 on: October 13, 2021, 05:15:32 PM »
Funny, my own experiences directly show that is working. If it's not working, then what explanation do you propose to explain that the vast majority of symptomatic patients I've seen have been unvaccinated?

Funny, that's the opposite to the official statistics in the UK.

In Irish news:



Gosh, what a mysterious coincidence...
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« Reply #2888 on: October 13, 2021, 05:45:17 PM »
In the latest instance of natural immunity from infection vastly superior to the anemic "immunity" the jabs give you: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01287-0

Yes, natural immunity is superior to vaccination immunity.

However, once you answer "immunity to what" if you're not doing a double take you're a fucking idiot.

Which we've established you are.

It's like saying you can reduce your chances of being struck by a second bolt of lightening if you just go out and get struck by a bolt of lightening to begin with. As if lightening strikes are harmless.

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« Reply #2889 on: October 13, 2021, 05:48:28 PM »
Funny, my own experiences directly show that is working. If it's not working, then what explanation do you propose to explain that the vast majority of symptomatic patients I've seen have been unvaccinated?

Funny, that's the opposite to the official statistics in the UK.

In Irish news:



Gosh, what a mysterious coincidence...

Surge is greatest among those who are not vaccinated there. It's funny how you left that out. Almost as if it were a critical fact which goes against your world view so you intentionally misrepresented it for spin purposes. "70% of people being treated in ICU recently have not been fully vaccinated."

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« Reply #2890 on: October 13, 2021, 05:52:31 PM »
Yes, natural immunity is superior to vaccination immunity.

However, once you answer "immunity to what" if you're not doing a double take you're a fucking idiot.

Which we've established you are.

It's like saying you can reduce your chances of being struck by a second bolt of lightening if you just go out and get struck by a bolt of lightening to begin with. As if lightening strikes are harmless.

More like a little static shock, given how minor covid is to anyone who's healthy.

Surge is greatest among those who are not vaccinated there. It's funny how you left that out. Almost as if it were a critical fact which goes against your world view so you intentionally misrepresented it for spin purposes. "70% of people being treated in ICU recently have not been fully vaccinated."

Of course, it's all because of the 0.3%...
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« Reply #2891 on: October 13, 2021, 06:00:11 PM »
In the latest instance of natural immunity from infection vastly superior to the anemic "immunity" the jabs give you: https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(21)01287-0

Yes, natural immunity is superior to vaccination immunity.

However, once you answer "immunity to what" if you're not doing a double take you're a fucking idiot.

Which we've established you are.

It's like saying you can reduce your chances of being struck by a second bolt of lightening if you just go out and get struck by a bolt of lightening to begin with. As if lightening strikes are harmless.

For some, covid is effectively harmless. If you are old and/or have multiple comorbidities, perhaps not so harmless. Young and healthy (obese ~= healthy), harmless for the vast majority.

On the other hand, the lethality of lightning is, for the most part, invariant with the respect to the attributes of the strikee.

As for trying to catch covid in order to gain natural immunity, I believe there was some discussion (in the UK?) in that regard in early 2020, but beyond that I haven't heard that proffered. But I have heard that conflated with the position of if you have already had covid, you don't need to get the vaccine (e.g., like with measles, smallpox, etc.)

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« Reply #2892 on: October 13, 2021, 08:44:07 PM »
Study reports Aspirin cuts severe Covid outcomes by 50%

UK Data showing that Covid (or Covid-like-illness) is more common in fully-injected individuals for most age groups.
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« Reply #2893 on: October 14, 2021, 10:47:32 AM »
Study reports Aspirin cuts severe Covid outcomes by 50%

UK Data showing that Covid (or Covid-like-illness) is more common in fully-injected individuals for most age groups.

Got one showing hospitalization and death rate comparisons? Those are far more meaningful.

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« Reply #2894 on: October 14, 2021, 12:23:45 PM »
Got one showing hospitalization and death rate comparisons? Those are far more meaningful.

The important context here is whether taking an injection can be used to conclude that you're a lower risk for spreading an infectious disease. e.g. the justification for highly discriminatory measures by government and govt-corporations.

I think there's a good amount of data for at-risk (age 65+) populations to suggest getting an injection is worthwhile. But push for universal injection is reckless, especially in conjunction with the widespread dismissal of safe & effective early treatments.


Some more UK data:











Note I think this kind of presentation is also misleading for various reasons (e.g. no age groupings, lack of presentation of pop%, etc). But you'd expect a stronger general trend of protection to emerge from the big picture, and it's really not.
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