Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Ratman_tf]

More on the national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals to lie for some strange reason about how they are out of ICU beds.

Reminder that the government and media have consistently lied to us "for the greater good" over the course of the pandemic response.

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Since I don't think there is a grand secret conspiracy, I don't think I'd be very convincing in telling you it exists.

I think there's a narrative and people go along with it. Like OSHA refusing to enforce 29 CFR 1904 because they don't want to participate in discouraging people from the vaccinations.

[Ratman_tf]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

The ivermectin stories were not correct.
The Oklahomoa overcapacity story was not correct.
Fauci has been incorrect multiple times over the course of the pandemic, has admitted he lied, and is still the government spokesman for Covid policy.
I'm sure there's more I've missed. I need to go over all the Covid craziness and do a summary.

It's the pushing of a narrative, not a super duper conspiracy. It means that media and government will run with any story that seems pro-vaxx, and downplay anything vaxx-critical.

[Kiero]

Oh my! Your bravery is legendary.

You're a child. Barely even that, my kids have more nous than you do, credulous lapper-up of bullshit.

[Kiero]

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

Ivermectin is the reason why Indian states that are making widespread use of it have fuck all "cases" of covid (Uttar Pradesh, Goa), but the commie states who banned it (Tamil Nadu) have no control whatsoever.

So fuck off, narrative shill.

[Mistwell]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

Are you arguing that means the ICU beds are not overflowing because you found a different story about a different topic to be incorrect? The reason you know those stories were incorrect is DOCTORS AND NURSES SAID IT WAS INCORRECT. THIS IS DOCTORS AND NURSES SAYING THEIR ICUs ARE OVERFULL.

So yes, you're positing a grand secret conspiracy of doctors and nurses across the nation, coincidentally in covid hotspots, to tell the truth about ivermectin but then lie about their icu status.

Its absurd Pat.

It wasn't the doctors and nurses who said it was incorrect, they weren't even asked.

Yes, it was. First the media falsely reported about those cases. Then other media (some of it right-wing) asked the nurses and doctors and it was the nurses and doctors who said it was not true. 

There was no attempt to verify the claims of Doctor Liesabouthorsepaste. It wasn't until the bureaucrats running the hospital put out a press release saying nah that didn't happen that all the news outlets stealth edited the completely false articles they had written to make it look like they were always right.

It was not "bureaucrats" it was nurses and doctors. Some of the same ones saying their ICUs are in fact overflowing right now. You know, the ones you want us to believe when it suits your world view and then call liars when it disagrees with your world view.

And yes, when the media regularly lies and fabricates stories on a topic, never even engages in the most minimal fact checking (how hard would it have been to call a few emergency rooms and ask?), and don't even have the decency to print formal retractions, it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical about about the latest ragebait.

Yes, be skeptical of the media. Not the hospitals themselves though. They're telling the truth. Just like they told the truth about their ICU NOT being full of ivermectin overdose patients. When they say their ICUs are full, their ICUs are full. It's not "the media" that I am saying you should believe, it's the actual hospitals I am saying you should believe. Who have not lied about Covid.

[Mistwell]

Greetings!

Interesting how some medical bureaucrats and media people are hysterical about Ivermectin currently--though apparently it has been a safe and reliable medicine used now for many years--including against other viruses in the SARS family, just like Covid.

But Ivermectin is somehow bad now.

You realize that Ivermectin is readily available, and very affordable?

Of course, if the government and medical establishment came out with the stamp that Ivermectin was just fine to treat Covid--that would fuck up the emergency authorization required that allows the Pharmaceutical companies to produce their super-duper so-very-effective-and expensive VACCINES.

That would mean that the Pharmaceutical companies would lose their special emergency authorization to produce and market Covid vaccines. That would result in the loss of BILLIONS and BILLIONS in profit for those Pharmaceutical companies.

Yes, that's right. Keep on believing what the government and the medical establishment says.

I wonder how much lobbying money the Pharmaceutical companies give to the government and also to the medical establishment? Doctors, hospitals, and medical clinics--they don't get hot sales girls fucking them silly and bags of funding from the Pharmaceutical companies, right?

That wouldn't be ethical! We can trust gigantic Pharmaceutical companies to have the public's best interests at heart, right?

There couldn't possibly be any corruption going on between the gigantic Pharmaceutical companies, the medical establishment, and the government during this Covid pandemic, right?

Right right. I just relax with a mug of coffee and smoke a good cigar, and think about this stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark if you can't be bothered to read the thread you're responding to, why respond to it?

[Mistwell]

More on the national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals to lie for some strange reason about how they are out of ICU beds.

Reminder that the government and media have consistently lied to us "for the greater good" over the course of the pandemic response.

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Since I don't think there is a grand secret conspiracy, I don't think I'd be very convincing in telling you it exists.

I think there's a narrative and people go along with it. Like OSHA refusing to enforce 29 CFR 1904 because they don't want to participate in discouraging people from the vaccinations.

What is the difference in your mind between hospitals reporting (over and over again, in all the Covid hot spots) that their ICUs are full, as a "narrative" and hospitals reporting that as a grand conspiracy? You think hospitals are falsely reporting their ICU numbers to be one of the cool kids or because they heard other hospitals were full on TV and just wanted to be in with the in crowd?

What level of nonsense are you willing to spew to continue to pretend the hospitals are legitimately actually experiencing ICU overflow? I mean come on man, there has to be a limit even you are willing to stretch things to, to continue to pretend the hospitals are not overfull with Covid patients when they are.

[Pat]

It wasn't the doctors and nurses who said it was incorrect, they weren't even asked.

Yes, it was. First the media falsely reported about those cases. Then other media (some of it right-wing) asked the nurses and doctors and it was the nurses and doctors who said it was not true. 

There was no attempt to verify the claims of Doctor Liesabouthorsepaste. It wasn't until the bureaucrats running the hospital put out a press release saying nah that didn't happen that all the news outlets stealth edited the completely false articles they had written to make it look like they were always right.

It was not "bureaucrats" it was nurses and doctors. Some of the same ones saying their ICUs are in fact overflowing right now. You know, the ones you want us to believe when it suits your world view and then call liars when it disagrees with your world view.

Not what happened. The lies were posted KFOR channel 4 in Oklahoma, and picked up by national news like Rolling Stone and news personalities like Rachel Maddow, without any attempt at verification. The lie wasn't exposed until the Northeastern Health System published a press release, stating they never had to turn away anybody and Doctor LiesThroughHisHorseTeeth never treated a single patient for problems with ivermectin. It wasn't doctors, it wasn't nurses. It was the media, and then a press release that led to their going oops.

[Mistwell]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

The ivermectin stories were not correct.
The Oklahomoa overcapacity story was not correct.
Fauci has been incorrect multiple times over the course of the pandemic, has admitted he lied, and is still the government spokesman for Covid policy.
I'm sure there's more I've missed. I need to go over all the Covid craziness and do a summary.

It's the pushing of a narrative, not a super duper conspiracy. It means that media and government will run with any story that seems pro-vaxx, and downplay anything vaxx-critical.

This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

[Mistwell]

It wasn't the doctors and nurses who said it was incorrect, they weren't even asked.

Yes, it was. First the media falsely reported about those cases. Then other media (some of it right-wing) asked the nurses and doctors and it was the nurses and doctors who said it was not true. 

There was no attempt to verify the claims of Doctor Liesabouthorsepaste. It wasn't until the bureaucrats running the hospital put out a press release saying nah that didn't happen that all the news outlets stealth edited the completely false articles they had written to make it look like they were always right.

It was not "bureaucrats" it was nurses and doctors. Some of the same ones saying their ICUs are in fact overflowing right now. You know, the ones you want us to believe when it suits your world view and then call liars when it disagrees with your world view.

Not what happened. The lies were posted KFOR channel 4 in Oklahoma, and picked up by national news like Rolling Stone and news personalities like Rachel Maddow, without any attempt at verification. The lie wasn't exposed until the Northeastern Health System published a press release, stating they never had to turn away anybody and Doctor LiesThroughHisHorseTeeth never treated a single patient for problems with ivermectin. It wasn't doctors, it wasn't nurses. It was the media, and then a press release that led to their going oops.

The press release was in response to THEIR DOCTORS AND NURSES SAYING IT'S NOT CORRECT. And it was prompted by SOME INTERVIEWS WITH DOCTORS AND NURSES THERE. How convenient for you Pat that you somehow missed those salient details. Almost like you never even fucking read the articles you are spewing about.

[Pat]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems? (Hint: One of them was LA.) That was the same period when most hospitals were worrying about their finances because elective surgeries were canceled and patients were staying away, and there were widespread reports of hospitals furloughing workers, and some even closed down?

Yes you were. So why should we trust your statements? You have a history of taking isolated problems and claiming they're endemic.

Now last I checked (weeks ago), this latest surge was causing capacity problems across much of the south. But you're not a credible source.

[Pat]

It wasn't the doctors and nurses who said it was incorrect, they weren't even asked.

Yes, it was. First the media falsely reported about those cases. Then other media (some of it right-wing) asked the nurses and doctors and it was the nurses and doctors who said it was not true. 

There was no attempt to verify the claims of Doctor Liesabouthorsepaste. It wasn't until the bureaucrats running the hospital put out a press release saying nah that didn't happen that all the news outlets stealth edited the completely false articles they had written to make it look like they were always right.

It was not "bureaucrats" it was nurses and doctors. Some of the same ones saying their ICUs are in fact overflowing right now. You know, the ones you want us to believe when it suits your world view and then call liars when it disagrees with your world view.

Not what happened. The lies were posted KFOR channel 4 in Oklahoma, and picked up by national news like Rolling Stone and news personalities like Rachel Maddow, without any attempt at verification. The lie wasn't exposed until the Northeastern Health System published a press release, stating they never had to turn away anybody and Doctor LiesThroughHisHorseTeeth never treated a single patient for problems with ivermectin. It wasn't doctors, it wasn't nurses. It was the media, and then a press release that led to their going oops.

The press release was in response to THEIR DOCTORS AND NURSES SAYING IT'S NOT CORRECT. And it was prompted by SOME INTERVIEWS WITH DOCTORS AND NURSES THERE. How convenient for you Pat that you somehow missed those salient details. Almost like you never even fucking read the articles you are spewing about.

The media ignored all that, until the press release forced them to... well, not recant. Recanting admitting they were wrong. But it did make them change their stories, including the ones that had already been published.

The mainstream news didn't do any fact checking, didn't check with any nurses or doctors, and completely ignores anything that comes from the alternate mediasphere. No nurses or doctors were given a national platform on mainstream news, until the press release.

[HappyDaze]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

The ivermectin stories were not correct.
The Oklahomoa overcapacity story was not correct.
Fauci has been incorrect multiple times over the course of the pandemic, has admitted he lied, and is still the government spokesman for Covid policy.
I'm sure there's more I've missed. I need to go over all the Covid craziness and do a summary.

It's the pushing of a narrative, not a super duper conspiracy. It means that media and government will run with any story that seems pro-vaxx, and downplay anything vaxx-critical.

This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

If a hospital is reporting that they are overcapacity then it's unlikely they will be open for casually inquisitive visitors.

[HappyDaze]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems? (Hint: One of them was LA.) That was the same period when most hospitals were worrying about their finances because elective surgeries were canceled and patients were staying away, and there were widespread reports of hospitals furloughing workers, and some even closed down?

Yes you were. So why should we trust your statements? You have a history of taking isolated problems and claiming they're endemic.

Now last I checked (weeks ago), this latest surge was causing capacity problems across much of the south. But you're not a credible source.

Last couple of weeks have been much better for EDs & ICUs in central Florida. Late July, all of August, and the first week of September were ugly.

[Pat]

The Oklahoma overcapacity story WAS correct though. This isn't coming from the media or Fauci, the hospitals themselves are in fact reporting their ICUs are overfull.

I mean if you are so convinced they're all lying (but in some way not coordinating that lie across the nation coincidentally only in the hotspot areas) why don't you visit a hospital in those areas and ask them?

Oh right, easier to just pretend it's all fine, we're all fine here, nothing to see, move along citizen.

Aren't you the same person who claimed the entire nation's hospital system was overwhelmed, when only two cities were having capacity problems? (Hint: One of them was LA.) That was the same period when most hospitals were worrying about their finances because elective surgeries were canceled and patients were staying away, and there were widespread reports of hospitals furloughing workers, and some even closed down?

Yes you were. So why should we trust your statements? You have a history of taking isolated problems and claiming they're endemic.

Now last I checked (weeks ago), this latest surge was causing capacity problems across much of the south. But you're not a credible source.

Last couple of weeks have been much better for EDs & ICUs in central Florida. Late July, all of August, and the first week of September were ugly.

You on the other hand are a reasonably credible source on this topic.