Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Kiero]

Remember it's the same people who think that being hesitant about the safety of a new and highly experimental vaccine that blew up VAERS and hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the long term effects means you're opposed to all vaccines.

I even got a vaccine voluntarily a few years ago, for hep B. No interest whatsoever in one for the sniffles that doesn't even work.

It's doing a good job of suppressing the immune systems of the jabbed, though. Going to get nasty when the winter respiratory bugs do the rounds.

[HappyDaze]

Remember it's the same people who think that being hesitant about the safety of a new and highly experimental vaccine that blew up VAERS and hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the long term effects means you're opposed to all vaccines.

I even got a vaccine voluntarily a few years ago, for hep B. No interest whatsoever in one for the sniffles that doesn't even work.

It's doing a good job of suppressing the immune systems of the jabbed, though. Going to get nasty when the winter respiratory bugs do the rounds.

It doesn't suppress the immune system, you lying fucktard.

[Mistwell]

More on the national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals to lie for some strange reason about how they are out of ICU beds.

Reminder that the government and media have consistently lied to us "for the greater good" over the course of the pandemic response.

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

[Mistwell]

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why is it always some rich white guy who wants to sacrifice everyone elses kids to protect themselves?

LOL you think I am a rich white guy?

That's a good one!

[Mistwell]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

I was responding to something specific. You changed the topic to something entirely else and then acted like that meant my response was false.

You want to show me how the vaccine is causing widespread bloodclots, be my guest. But as it stands you jumped into the middle of a conversation which wasn't about bloodclots.

[Mistwell]

However, this high rate is unlikely to continue.  People are getting vaccinated at a higher rate as they become more alarmed by conditions. 

Unfortunately for your assumption there, "vaccination" doesn't do anything of the sort. We in the UK have more "cases", hospitalisations and deaths now than at the same time last year, when hardly anyone was vaccinated.

I know several people who are in intensive care who had not chosen to get the vaccine.  Most of them are parents with young children.  I know most of them will make a full recovery, but I can't understand risking your health when so many people depend on you. 

I can't understand risking your health with an unknown range of side effects (some of them permanent) when the virus is trivial. The overwhelming majority of people never see the inside of a hospital as a result, they get poorly then get better. The jab is much riskier than the virus for most people.

I got a flu vaccine this last week, too.  But I'm not afraid of needles.

What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.

We are at the "SHOW ME THE MONEY" stage here.

Show me the risk of hospitalization and death from the vaccine. And then show me the risk of hospitalization and death from Covid to someone roughly your age and health. You will find you are incorrect in your risk assessment, which you're doing on instinct rather than with real numbers (and which of course ignores you passing the virus on to someone else, but we can leave that point aside for now). But hey you are the one that keeps making this absurd claim over and over so fine let's see you back it up with anything other than some nutcase conspiracy theory website.

[Ghostmaker]

If you want to contemplate just how a disease 'wanders' out of Chinese labs (don't spin moonbeams to me about how it's natural), consider the Chinese concept of 'cha bu duo'.

This roughly translates to 'eh, good enough'.

Some thoughts on that here: https://www.sourcingallies.com/blog/cha-bu-duo

Who needs lab safety protocols? That's for prissy Westerner capitalist dogs.

[Pat]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

[Mistwell]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

Are you arguing that means the ICU beds are not overflowing because you found a different story about a different topic to be incorrect? The reason you know those stories were incorrect is DOCTORS AND NURSES SAID IT WAS INCORRECT. THIS IS DOCTORS AND NURSES SAYING THEIR ICUs ARE OVERFULL.

So yes, you're positing a grand secret conspiracy of doctors and nurses across the nation, coincidentally in covid hotspots, to tell the truth about ivermectin but then lie about their icu status.

Its absurd Pat.

[FelixGamingX1]

What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.

Oh my! Your bravery is legendary.

[Pat]

I didn't mention the Government. This is hospitals saying it. Directly. Nurses and doctors, with a picture of them setting up ICU beds in hallways.

But tell me how there is a national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals across the national, all coincidentally in the hotspots for Covid, reporting how they are out of ICU beds when you claim they're not for...reasons I guess?

Funny, I seem to remember a recent story carried by many major media outlets, about how Oklahoma was overrun with people who ODed on ivermectin. Or all the journalists who claimed that Rogan took horse paste. Except those turned out to to be a big fucking lies, didn't they? Or how about earlier in the pandemic when the newspapers were running stories about bodies being stacked up in NYC, yet all the photos were from Italy?

There's no need for a conspiracy, when so many people live in a world of alternate facts generated by the sycophantic media.

Yes the ivermectin stories were not correct.

Are you arguing that means the ICU beds are not overflowing because you found a different story about a different topic to be incorrect? The reason you know those stories were incorrect is DOCTORS AND NURSES SAID IT WAS INCORRECT. THIS IS DOCTORS AND NURSES SAYING THEIR ICUs ARE OVERFULL.

So yes, you're positing a grand secret conspiracy of doctors and nurses across the nation, coincidentally in covid hotspots, to tell the truth about ivermectin but then lie about their icu status.

Its absurd Pat.

It wasn't the doctors and nurses who said it was incorrect, they weren't even asked. There was no attempt to verify the claims of Doctor Liesabouthorsepaste. It wasn't until the bureaucrats running the hospital put out a press release saying nah that didn't happen that all the news outlets stealth edited the completely false articles they had written to make it look like they were always right.

And yes, when the media regularly lies and fabricates stories on a topic, never even engages in the most minimal fact checking (how hard would it have been to call a few emergency rooms and ask?), and don't even have the decency to print formal retractions, it's perfectly reasonable to be skeptical about about the latest ragebait.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Interesting how some medical bureaucrats and media people are hysterical about Ivermectin currently--though apparently it has been a safe and reliable medicine used now for many years--including against other viruses in the SARS family, just like Covid.

But Ivermectin is somehow bad now.

You realize that Ivermectin is readily available, and very affordable?

Of course, if the government and medical establishment came out with the stamp that Ivermectin was just fine to treat Covid--that would fuck up the emergency authorization required that allows the Pharmaceutical companies to produce their super-duper so-very-effective-and expensive VACCINES.

That would mean that the Pharmaceutical companies would lose their special emergency authorization to produce and market Covid vaccines. That would result in the loss of BILLIONS and BILLIONS in profit for those Pharmaceutical companies.

Yes, that's right. Keep on believing what the government and the medical establishment says.

I wonder how much lobbying money the Pharmaceutical companies give to the government and also to the medical establishment? Doctors, hospitals, and medical clinics--they don't get hot sales girls fucking them silly and bags of funding from the Pharmaceutical companies, right?

That wouldn't be ethical! We can trust gigantic Pharmaceutical companies to have the public's best interests at heart, right?

There couldn't possibly be any corruption going on between the gigantic Pharmaceutical companies, the medical establishment, and the government during this Covid pandemic, right?

Right right. I just relax with a mug of coffee and smoke a good cigar, and think about this stuff.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[DM_Curt]

I dunno, Shark.
I mean, if "Health Professionals", as an industry could donate $26.3M, Hospitals/Nursing Homes could donate $17.57M and Pharmaceuticals could donate $13.6M to just one candidate in one election and get some kind of return on their investment, wouldn't that be kinda sketchy?

I'm sure the government would immediately investigate for possible wrongdoing.

I mean, if Internet companies were to do something similar, like donate $25.4M, what kind of kickback would they expect? The right to censor people who disagree withSESSION EXPIRED

[Shasarak]

What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.

Remember it's the same people who think that being hesitant about the safety of a new and highly experimental vaccine that blew up VAERS and hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the long term effects means you're opposed to all vaccines.

Come on Pat, there is no "thinking" involved. They just love the Trump vaccine and want everyone to have it too.

[Pat]

What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.

Remember it's the same people who think that being hesitant about the safety of a new and highly experimental vaccine that blew up VAERS and hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the long term effects means you're opposed to all vaccines.

Come on Pat, there is no "thinking" involved. They just love the Trump vaccine and want everyone to have it too.

Wait... Trump was behind the vaccines?

<temporarily exists in a superposition between "you MUST take the jab" and "oh noes Orange Man bad therefore his vaccines are bad!", just like Schrodinger's kitty, but then realizes it's 2021 and what happened in 2020 is the distant politically incorrect past that must be erased>