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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341812 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2671 on: September 23, 2021, 09:03:56 PM »
And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why is it always some rich white guy who wants to sacrifice everyone elses kids to protect themselves?
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2672 on: September 23, 2021, 10:23:13 PM »
All this vax panic going on in here. Guys, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Let me know how it goes.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2673 on: September 23, 2021, 11:24:37 PM »
Guys, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
This is certainly not true in regards to a great variety of health conditions.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2674 on: September 23, 2021, 11:45:28 PM »
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2675 on: September 24, 2021, 01:10:04 AM »
Guys, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
This is certainly not true in regards to a great variety of health conditions.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2676 on: September 24, 2021, 07:00:47 AM »
Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-opposes-honorable-discharge-coronavirus-vaccine-refusal

Wow, that'll show those dirty deplorables in the ranks. Stick 'em with a dishonorable discharge, which is equivalent to a fucking felony. No, I can't imagine how this could possibly go wrong!

   They are pushing for an other than honorable, which is a long ways from a dishonorable.  It is not good, but it is not a dishonorable, and honestly probably an over reach for forcing the ingestion of  a still very new vaccine.  But if you sign the line, they own you.  So...dunno what happens there.

   My meaning is, I think the route the military would go is to discharge with an OTH.  It is pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge.  I saw dudes commit crimes who still got a BCD (Bad conduct discharge, which is bad, but still not dishonorable, the only people I know of who got DD's were guilty of fairly serious felonies).  It is not good, and would prevent them from getting VA benefits.  I have a very, very strong feeling no one will get booted for refusal without at least a year going by, with frequent counseling, NJP, etc first.  Basically making it long enough and painful enough that a short timer might be willing to endure, but anyone at the mid point of 4 is going to go along to get along.  If lifers refuse the jab, that is where it could get interesting.  But unless a whole lot has changed, waivers can pop out as needed and where needed (as in rules for some, but not for all).   

   If they make it where people refusing can get only  honorable discharges, as that senator is pushing for, get ready to lose 50-60 percent of the military.
Except that I wouldn't trust the current junta to not go full retard and demand dishonorable discharges from objectors.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2677 on: September 24, 2021, 12:30:59 PM »
More on the national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals to lie for some strange reason about how they are out of ICU beds.

A good resource to check is: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend

You can select an individual state and see how they are doing.  It will show their total ICU capacity, how much is occupied by COVID cases, non-COVID cases and open beds. 

So, for example, Montana has a total ICU capacity of 240 beds.  They are at 77% capacity as of this past week with 56 unoccupied beds, 107 being used for COVID patients and 77 with non-COVID cases in them.

Granted, that's looking at the state level and certain counties may be worse off than others.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2678 on: September 24, 2021, 12:45:58 PM »
Normally Tennessee records ~200 deaths per day. 

Lately we've had +100 extra deaths per day. 

In a surprising twist, the mass shooting event yesterday did not register as a blip in the mortality rate. 

If this rate held steady for a full year, it would be the #1 cause of death in Tennessee counting for more deaths than Cancer and Heart Disease combined. 

However, this high rate is unlikely to continue.  People are getting vaccinated at a higher rate as they become more alarmed by conditions. 

I know several people who are in intensive care who had not chosen to get the vaccine.  Most of them are parents with young children.  I know most of them will make a full recovery, but I can't understand risking your health when so many people depend on you. 

I got a flu vaccine this last week, too.  But I'm not afraid of needles. 
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2679 on: September 24, 2021, 03:09:42 PM »
No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?



WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

You were saying side effects of the vaccine are transitory. Blood clots are an example of something that isn't transitory.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2680 on: September 24, 2021, 03:25:46 PM »
Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-opposes-honorable-discharge-coronavirus-vaccine-refusal

Wow, that'll show those dirty deplorables in the ranks. Stick 'em with a dishonorable discharge, which is equivalent to a fucking felony. No, I can't imagine how this could possibly go wrong!

   They are pushing for an other than honorable, which is a long ways from a dishonorable.  It is not good, but it is not a dishonorable, and honestly probably an over reach for forcing the ingestion of  a still very new vaccine.  But if you sign the line, they own you.  So...dunno what happens there.

   My meaning is, I think the route the military would go is to discharge with an OTH.  It is pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge.  I saw dudes commit crimes who still got a BCD (Bad conduct discharge, which is bad, but still not dishonorable, the only people I know of who got DD's were guilty of fairly serious felonies).  It is not good, and would prevent them from getting VA benefits.  I have a very, very strong feeling no one will get booted for refusal without at least a year going by, with frequent counseling, NJP, etc first.  Basically making it long enough and painful enough that a short timer might be willing to endure, but anyone at the mid point of 4 is going to go along to get along.  If lifers refuse the jab, that is where it could get interesting.  But unless a whole lot has changed, waivers can pop out as needed and where needed (as in rules for some, but not for all).   

   If they make it where people refusing can get only  honorable discharges, as that senator is pushing for, get ready to lose 50-60 percent of the military.
Except that I wouldn't trust the current junta to not go full retard and demand dishonorable discharges from objectors.

Remember, dissent cannot be tolerated.

  I have no doubt Biden in his diminished condition might rant something like that, but no way in hell the federal government or military moves forward with it.  Talk about being cancelled, your prospects are better with a felony conviction than a DD.   It would start an actual civil war.  I foresee general discharges if any, and for the most part a bunch of creating a sort of pain to get people to take the shot.   MAYBE they get them out fairly fast with a general, but that is more to shit test the people who have all they want of the new modern military.

  I guess in crazy land it *could* happen, but it is so serious, I do think it triggers a point of no return.  Extreme doubt in my mind it happens.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2681 on: September 24, 2021, 05:24:58 PM »
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2682 on: September 24, 2021, 06:03:19 PM »
Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-opposes-honorable-discharge-coronavirus-vaccine-refusal

Wow, that'll show those dirty deplorables in the ranks. Stick 'em with a dishonorable discharge, which is equivalent to a fucking felony. No, I can't imagine how this could possibly go wrong!

   They are pushing for an other than honorable, which is a long ways from a dishonorable.  It is not good, but it is not a dishonorable, and honestly probably an over reach for forcing the ingestion of  a still very new vaccine.  But if you sign the line, they own you.  So...dunno what happens there.

   My meaning is, I think the route the military would go is to discharge with an OTH.  It is pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge.  I saw dudes commit crimes who still got a BCD (Bad conduct discharge, which is bad, but still not dishonorable, the only people I know of who got DD's were guilty of fairly serious felonies).  It is not good, and would prevent them from getting VA benefits.  I have a very, very strong feeling no one will get booted for refusal without at least a year going by, with frequent counseling, NJP, etc first.  Basically making it long enough and painful enough that a short timer might be willing to endure, but anyone at the mid point of 4 is going to go along to get along.  If lifers refuse the jab, that is where it could get interesting.  But unless a whole lot has changed, waivers can pop out as needed and where needed (as in rules for some, but not for all).   

   If they make it where people refusing can get only  honorable discharges, as that senator is pushing for, get ready to lose 50-60 percent of the military.
Except that I wouldn't trust the current junta to not go full retard and demand dishonorable discharges from objectors.

Remember, dissent cannot be tolerated.

  I have no doubt Biden in his diminished condition might rant something like that, but no way in hell the federal government or military moves forward with it.  Talk about being cancelled, your prospects are better with a felony conviction than a DD.   It would start an actual civil war.  I foresee general discharges if any, and for the most part a bunch of creating a sort of pain to get people to take the shot.   MAYBE they get them out fairly fast with a general, but that is more to shit test the people who have all they want of the new modern military.

  I guess in crazy land it *could* happen, but it is so serious, I do think it triggers a point of no return.  Extreme doubt in my mind it happens.
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« Reply #2683 on: September 25, 2021, 05:46:29 AM »
However, this high rate is unlikely to continue.  People are getting vaccinated at a higher rate as they become more alarmed by conditions. 

Unfortunately for your assumption there, "vaccination" doesn't do anything of the sort. We in the UK have more "cases", hospitalisations and deaths now than at the same time last year, when hardly anyone was vaccinated.

I know several people who are in intensive care who had not chosen to get the vaccine.  Most of them are parents with young children.  I know most of them will make a full recovery, but I can't understand risking your health when so many people depend on you. 

I can't understand risking your health with an unknown range of side effects (some of them permanent) when the virus is trivial. The overwhelming majority of people never see the inside of a hospital as a result, they get poorly then get better. The jab is much riskier than the virus for most people.

I got a flu vaccine this last week, too.  But I'm not afraid of needles.
What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2684 on: September 25, 2021, 11:02:55 AM »
What is it with you loons always thinking this is about "fear of a needle"? I'm not a child, pain doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as a needle stick.
Remember it's the same people who think that being hesitant about the safety of a new and highly experimental vaccine that blew up VAERS and hasn't been around long enough to know anything about the long term effects means you're opposed to all vaccines.