Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[oggsmash]

Fuck any guy abusing the holocaust yellow star of david for their idiotic modern political cause.

   I am guessing he thought the symbol  for the Armenian genocide was going to be way too obscure. 

[Pat]

A chubby misfit who happens to work for a federal agency but appears to have no real authority jokes about drone darts at a bar? That's nothingsauce. Half the posters in this thread post more extreme stuff. 

[Mistwell]

For many of these patients 1/1000 is significantly greater than the risk of severe outcome from SarsCov-2 infection. Contextualizing & balancing risk is key.

This also is a good demonstration to the evergreen discussion of "How reliable is VAERS data?" A lot of people who are reflexively pro-vaccine without any consideration of risk repeatedly trot out the claim that VAERS data is unreliable since "anyone" can enter a VAERS claim. (At last count more than 80% of VAERS entries were entered by healthcare providers or vaccine manufacturers, so that's a rather bogus claim, but it's frequently made.)

The information we can ascertain from studies such as this is: VAERS is very unreliable, and it's vastly understating AE prevalence by orders of magnitude.

It isn't a uniform risk across all ages, either. The under-25s are much more likely to suffer from heart damage than the elderly, which will also impact them for much longer.

Reason enough for me to refuse this for my children, they can get fucked if they think they're ever being jabbed with this shit.

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

[Kiero]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

[KingCheops]

I was scared shitless from January to about April or May 2020.  First the psy op coming out of China with all those "leaked" videos and secondly with the knowledge that every really bad influenza outbreak has disproportionately affected the eldery and the young.  I was worried that something would happen to my daughters.  Then the numbers started coming out of Wuhan West (Northern Italy) and it pretty clearly didn't affect the really young.

I'm ready to quit my job in the finance industry to stay home and homeschool my children to make sure they don't get these "full of shit" vaccines.

[Mistwell]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

[Kiero]

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

Call me back in a few months when we know the kids with heart inflammation haven't been permanently damaged.

Nope, in order to reduce covid-19 in society, we ignore it like the irrelevance it is. You can go fuck yourself if you think my kids are being injected with that shit.

[oggsmash]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

  I am greedy.  I place my child's life above the value of other people's lives, or other people's kid's lives.  I am so greedy regarding that issue, I am quit willing to trade A LOT to protect them.  5 years from now, I will consider this vaccine when the standard length of time for a clinical trial has passed.

[Kiero]

  I am greedy.  I place my child's life above the value of other people's lives, or other people's kid's lives.  I am so greedy regarding that issue, I am quit willing to trade A LOT to protect them.  5 years from now, I will consider this vaccine when the standard length of time for a clinical trial has passed.

I won't consider it 5 years from now. It is as irrelevant to my children as the flu jab.

[oggsmash]

  I am greedy.  I place my child's life above the value of other people's lives, or other people's kid's lives.  I am so greedy regarding that issue, I am quit willing to trade A LOT to protect them.  5 years from now, I will consider this vaccine when the standard length of time for a clinical trial has passed.

I won't consider it 5 years from now. It is as irrelevant to my children as the flu jab.

  Oh I will look at the data on it after 5 years of use.  I am open to data.  I am very curious as to what that data will look like.

[horsesoldier]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

[Ghostmaker]

Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-opposes-honorable-discharge-coronavirus-vaccine-refusal

Wow, that'll show those dirty deplorables in the ranks. Stick 'em with a dishonorable discharge, which is equivalent to a fucking felony. No, I can't imagine how this could possibly go wrong!

[Mistwell]

No evidence of "heart damage". It's inflammation which goes away.

Myocarditis and pericarditis are lifelong (and life-limiting). What the fuck are you talking about?

And why would I take any risk of that side effect, when the virus is a trivial risk for my children?

WTF are YOU talking about. They are not lifelong. You are thinking of "Chronic Myocarditis" which this isn't. It's just inflammation which goes away.

And in order to reduce Covid-19 in society as a whole we're going to have to get kids vaxed too. As always, much like masks, you're doing it to protect society in general you greedy motherfucker.

If someone suffers a heart attack from the blood clots that just so happened to appear after getting vaccinated, is that life long enough for you?

Why are you suddenly changing the subject to blood clots...which isn't the same thing we were discussing? Oh right, because you have no response to what we were actually talking about so decided to play the moving target game.

[Mistwell]

More on the national grand secret conspiracy of hospitals to lie for some strange reason about how they are out of ICU beds.

[oggsmash]

Meanwhile:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-administration-opposes-honorable-discharge-coronavirus-vaccine-refusal

Wow, that'll show those dirty deplorables in the ranks. Stick 'em with a dishonorable discharge, which is equivalent to a fucking felony. No, I can't imagine how this could possibly go wrong!

   They are pushing for an other than honorable, which is a long ways from a dishonorable.  It is not good, but it is not a dishonorable, and honestly probably an over reach for forcing the ingestion of  a still very new vaccine.  But if you sign the line, they own you.  So...dunno what happens there.

   My meaning is, I think the route the military would go is to discharge with an OTH.  It is pretty hard to get a dishonorable discharge.  I saw dudes commit crimes who still got a BCD (Bad conduct discharge, which is bad, but still not dishonorable, the only people I know of who got DD's were guilty of fairly serious felonies).  It is not good, and would prevent them from getting VA benefits.  I have a very, very strong feeling no one will get booted for refusal without at least a year going by, with frequent counseling, NJP, etc first.  Basically making it long enough and painful enough that a short timer might be willing to endure, but anyone at the mid point of 4 is going to go along to get along.  If lifers refuse the jab, that is where it could get interesting.  But unless a whole lot has changed, waivers can pop out as needed and where needed (as in rules for some, but not for all).   

   If they make it where people refusing can get only  honorable discharges, as that senator is pushing for, get ready to lose 50-60 percent of the military.