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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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FelixGamingX1

You know what's odd in all of this Covid nonsense? Everyone blamed China! But what if Covid originated in space? Remember the intergalactic federation been displeased with humanity for quite some time.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

Ratman_tf

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on September 17, 2021, 09:37:16 PM
You know what's odd in all of this Covid nonsense? Everyone blamed China! But what if Covid originated in space? Remember the intergalactic federation been displeased with humanity for quite some time.

That's what the mole people want you to think.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Snowman0147


FelixGamingX1

Quote from: Snowman0147 on September 20, 2021, 09:22:27 PM
News from Project Veritas.

Glad I watched before it gets removed by yt. Veritas cause is a arguably a decent and honest objective. Just sucks they all look so goofy, not any different then the average ufo nut. Extending 2 minutes of footage into a 13 minute long video full of repeats doesn't help their cause. Hopefully they don't get banned coz I think they're 2/3 at this moment. This would fall onto vax misinformation according to the beast.
American writer and programmer, since 2016.
https://knightstabletoprpg.com

oggsmash

Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.

HappyDaze

Quote from: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.
My ED provides North respirators, but they are the half-face models that require separate goggles rather than having a fully sealed faceplate. replacement filters are provided too. Anyone that wants to can purchase their own full-face model, but they can be mighty expensive. Either one takes a lot of discipline to wear for an extended period.

oggsmash

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 20, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.
My ED provides North respirators, but they are the half-face models that require separate goggles rather than having a fully sealed faceplate. replacement filters are provided too. Anyone that wants to can purchase their own full-face model, but they can be mighty expensive. Either one takes a lot of discipline to wear for an extended period.

  Oh I agree with that.  A respirator is a bitch to wear, it is hot and not comfortable, at least mine isnt, as rubber does not breathe.  But respirators and some sweet goggles like kids used to wear in wood shop and you are set, hardware stores carry respirators, and you can get a gas mask for a couple hundred bucks.  Wearing a gas mask is no fun either, and I remember after 3-4 hours I was not loving it.  The really nice full face respirators (read, comfortable to wear..and comfort being on a relative scale) are fairly expensive.   My point though, is anyone who really feels there is an issue where their health is at risk, they should get one because even an expensive one is worth a lot less than their lives...if they really believe that they could die from other people not wearing a mask or not being vaxxed. 

dkabq

#2617
Quote from: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.

Technically, an N-95 is a respirator. But I understand you were talking about the bigger gear that are typically thought of when one says "respirator".
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-surgical-masks-face-masks-and-barrier-face-coverings

While I was on the page, I rolled down to see what the FDA (as of 09-15-2021) says about surgical masks:

Surgical masks are made in different thicknesses and with different ability to protect you from contact with liquids. These properties may also affect how easily you can breathe through the face mask and how well the surgical mask protects you.

If worn properly, a surgical mask is meant to help block large-particle droplets, splashes, sprays, or splatter that may contain germs (viruses and bacteria), keeping it from reaching your mouth and nose. Surgical masks may also help reduce exposure of your saliva and respiratory secretions to others.

While a surgical mask may be effective in blocking splashes and large-particle droplets, a face mask, by design, it does not filter or block very small particles in the air that may be transmitted by coughs, sneezes, or certain medical procedures. Surgical masks also do not provide complete protection from germs and other contaminants because of the loose fit between the surface of the mask and your face.

And...
For additional differences between surgical masks and N95 respirators, please see CDC's infographic.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInfographic-508.pdf



dkabq

Quote from: oggsmash on September 21, 2021, 12:17:45 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 20, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.
My ED provides North respirators, but they are the half-face models that require separate goggles rather than having a fully sealed faceplate. replacement filters are provided too. Anyone that wants to can purchase their own full-face model, but they can be mighty expensive. Either one takes a lot of discipline to wear for an extended period.

  Oh I agree with that.  A respirator is a bitch to wear, it is hot and not comfortable, at least mine isnt, as rubber does not breathe.  But respirators and some sweet goggles like kids used to wear in wood shop and you are set, hardware stores carry respirators, and you can get a gas mask for a couple hundred bucks.  Wearing a gas mask is no fun either, and I remember after 3-4 hours I was not loving it.  The really nice full face respirators (read, comfortable to wear..and comfort being on a relative scale) are fairly expensive.   My point though, is anyone who really feels there is an issue where their health is at risk, they should get one because even an expensive one is worth a lot less than their lives...if they really believe that they could die from other people not wearing a mask or not being vaxxed.

Can confirm. When I toured the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 5 containment building we had to wear respirators as part of the radiation environment PPE. Not only was it hot and uncomfortable, but if you breathed hard, you would easily fog the faceplate.

dkabq

#2619
An interesting juxtaposition of very high vaccination rate with covid risk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dOsB-nWof8

TL:DW = as of Aug 15, 2021, "The country (Gibraltar) has the highest vaccination rate globally with 116% fully vaccinated population, yet has the highest Covid cases risk level." It is notable that covid deaths are greatly reduced from the previous spike in covid deaths (Jan to Mar 2021, as vaccines were being initially rolled out). And the >100% vaccinated is due to counting vaccinated non-residents.

It's a month old, but you can use the links to see the current state (they have gone from red to orange).


Ghostmaker

And Circle-Back Psaki insists that the southern invasion of illegal aliens doesn't require vaccination because 'they're not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time'.

::)

Jesus Christ. Combine this with the Afghanis coming in who have measles, tuberculosis, and malaria, and we're gearing up for a medical nightmare that'll make HappyDerp's bad dreams look like a walk in the park.

oggsmash

Quote from: dkabq on September 21, 2021, 06:52:29 AM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 21, 2021, 12:17:45 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 20, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 20, 2021, 11:29:26 PM
Quote from: dkabq on September 17, 2021, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 17, 2021, 02:46:43 PM
   Regarding respirators, they are for people like Mistwell, who feels it is other people's concern to protect his safety with porous cloth.  Wear a respirator when you go out, and you will not be inhaling anyone's contaminants, even the tiny little ones that pass right through that porous mask.

Unless the mask is air-tight (e.g., properly fitted, properly worn N-95 mask), a portion of the aerosols will bypass the filter material. The degree of bypass is dependent on the mask and bypass flow areas and their respective pressure drops. A surgical mask (not air-tight, with relatively large gaps and low pressure drops) will not filter small aerosols, as they will follow the flow streamlines through the bypass area. The larger aerosols with enough mass (inertia) to "break out" from flow streamlines and follow the flow through the filter material. Ironically, if the mask isn't air-tight, then then a mask with "tighter" filter material (i.e., with a higher pressure drop across it) will have higher bypass flow and hence more bypass release.

Something else to consider is that what makes an N-95 so effective is that its filter material is specifically designed and manufactured to use electrostatic potential to cause aerosols passing through it to deposit on it. Not something you are going to get from t-shirt or (to the best of my knowledge) surgical mask material. As an aside, I have a colleague who participated in experiments to sterilize N-95 masks with radiation. Turns out that the degree of radiation needed for sterilization also damages the filter material such that it loses it electrostatic potential.

  I am not talking about an N-95, I mean an industrial respirator you wear to spray paint, or a full gas mask.   With removable filters and all.  That is as good as you can get to be safe from anything in the air, and IMO if you blame others for getting you sick and you are not wearing that, you are just a dumbass.
My ED provides North respirators, but they are the half-face models that require separate goggles rather than having a fully sealed faceplate. replacement filters are provided too. Anyone that wants to can purchase their own full-face model, but they can be mighty expensive. Either one takes a lot of discipline to wear for an extended period.

  Oh I agree with that.  A respirator is a bitch to wear, it is hot and not comfortable, at least mine isnt, as rubber does not breathe.  But respirators and some sweet goggles like kids used to wear in wood shop and you are set, hardware stores carry respirators, and you can get a gas mask for a couple hundred bucks.  Wearing a gas mask is no fun either, and I remember after 3-4 hours I was not loving it.  The really nice full face respirators (read, comfortable to wear..and comfort being on a relative scale) are fairly expensive.   My point though, is anyone who really feels there is an issue where their health is at risk, they should get one because even an expensive one is worth a lot less than their lives...if they really believe that they could die from other people not wearing a mask or not being vaxxed.

Can confirm. When I toured the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 5 containment building we had to wear respirators as part of the radiation environment PPE. Not only was it hot and uncomfortable, but if you breathed hard, you would easily fog the faceplate.

Yeah we had to wear em to tour the reactor compartment onboard the ship as well when I was in the Navy.   I have one that is not visor, but with the sweet shop glasses, it avoids the fogging to a degree, but nothing to be done about basic comfort on face.   But we are talking our lives here, right?

oggsmash

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2021, 08:37:59 AM
And Circle-Back Psaki insists that the southern invasion of illegal aliens doesn't require vaccination because 'they're not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time'.

::)

Jesus Christ. Combine this with the Afghanis coming in who have measles, tuberculosis, and malaria, and we're gearing up for a medical nightmare that'll make HappyDerp's bad dreams look like a walk in the park.

  So Covid takes a lengthy period of time to spread?   Wouldnt the humanitarian thing to do to inject them all to save them?  Even if they are only going to be here for a few days?   I would also say there are millions and millions of people here illegally that maybe were not going to stay for a long time either.... so forgive me when I think she is full of shit.

Ratman_tf

The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

horsesoldier

Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 21, 2021, 08:37:59 AM
And Circle-Back Psaki insists that the southern invasion of illegal aliens doesn't require vaccination because 'they're not intending to stay here for a lengthy period of time'.

::)

Jesus Christ. Combine this with the Afghanis coming in who have measles, tuberculosis, and malaria, and we're gearing up for a medical nightmare that'll make HappyDerp's bad dreams look like a walk in the park.

Oh man what a shame. Think of all the great Haitian food we are missing out on now.