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« Reply #2550 on: September 13, 2021, 09:05:20 PM »
Hospitals expand their ICUs by conversion of lower acuity inpatient beds, not by conversion of ED beds (which can already support ICU-level care, at least for short periods while awaiting inpatient beds).

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« Reply #2551 on: September 13, 2021, 09:35:16 PM »
It's a hospital I've used before. They've never had this issue, pre-covid. Their staffing levels have not been magically cut. They just have too many patients relative to the number of patients they had pre-covid, because of covid patients.
Not necessarily. Due to COVID, they changed how they allocate patients. Many hospitals have an entire COVID wing, where each person gets their own room (rather than two or even four patients per room). They also have fewer patients per nurse (rather than seven patients per nurse, it might only be two). The staff have so much protective gear that to even go to the bathroom requires a 30 minute sequence of disinfecting, disrobing, pooping, robing, and infecting (or something thereabouts). So while a hospital may have had X capacity before COVID, due to the special nature of COVID patients, the capacity has dropped to well below X.

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There was no vaccine mandate at the time.
From what I understand, most large hospitals have had one - typically to have both shots by October 1st. Also, a lot of nurses have been quitting due to burn out. Apparently, it is kind of soul crushing to be a nurse right now.

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But it's ridiculous for you to claim it's the intubating which is killing people rather than the Covid. Intubation is a last case scenario. It happens at the point where but-for intubation your likelihood of death is nearly 100%. What a fucking absurd take from you.
I feel fairly confident that this is what is happened. Before the pandemic started, I became aware of an organization of doctors that were working to get intubation out of hospitals because of the absurdly high fatality rate. To be intubated, you need a cocktail of extremely dangerous drugs to be put into a coma. You are almost assured to get pneumonia from bacteria that grows on the tubing. Improperly calibrated devices can actually do permanent damage to the lungs. And at the time, it was suggested that 1 in 4 people who become intubated did not survive. These doctors believed that intubation was extremely dangerous and life threatening, and there were other options in many cases (such as negative pressure ventilation).

Mind you, this was before the COVID thing ever started. When I heard that they needed ventilators, I kept thinking back to this article I read. Then it turns out that everything they suggested happened and more - for COVID patients, 90% will not survive intubation. The worst part is that intubation isn't even called for with COVID, since it is a failure for the hemoglobin to bind with oxygen that is the problem. The lungs are fine. That's why doctors were suggesting that COVID more resembled high altitude sickness than the flu.

Now, you say that it only people knocking on death's door that are being intubated, but that's not true. I've seen people who have been awake and talking on their phones, even tweeting before intubation. You don't usually intubate people who can operate a phone. Instead, hospital policy is to intubate when the blood oxygen level reaches a specific point - but again, these people have working lungs. They are conscious and operating phones. It's not a problem with their lungs. There was one guy who was screaming and had to be held down to be intubated - explain to me why they need to intubate a guy who's lungs work enough to scream.

No, intubation is actually killing people.  It is being misused and it is what is causing the spike in deaths, not COVID. If they stopped intubations tomorrow, COVID deaths would all but disappear. This may shock you to find out, but people are only dying in hospitals. Nobody is finding dead bodies in homes. They are dying in hospitals. They are dying in elder care facilities. The places where they intubate. You are 37 times more likely to be diagnosed with COVID in a hospital than at a general practitioners office. The early spike in deaths last year was entirely due to New York City's practice intubating early (two-thirds of all COVID deaths in the first half of 2020 was in NYC and the surround area) where most of the rest of the country still didn't have that many ventilators.

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She didn't die of Covid dude.  There is no covid protocol for her burial, it's just a backlog of bodies.
There's still a line. The backlog is due to COVID policies.

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There IS a giant influx of deaths. We count this. We've always counted this. The number of deaths is up enormously. There is no getting around that fact. I've seen people try to argue it's the lockdowns themselves which caused the increase in deaths but there is no escaping the 100% true fact we do have more deaths right now. Period. ANY objective standard which measures death rates is in fact showing more people dying.
We do have more deaths now, but not everywhere equally. Many states have lower mortality this year than last. Minnesota, for example, is basically at 0% excess mortality in 2021. New York is on track for no excess mortality so far.

Florida is probably the worst one, with expected mortality for 2021 being 145,513 and the reported deaths being 170,937 - an increase of 25,424 deaths. Seems like a lot, but Florida has 25 million people in it. 25k deaths represents 0.1% of our population. Texas is similar. 29k deaths but a population of 29 million, so the absolute increase in deaths still hovers around 0.1% of the population. Basically it means that 1 extra person per 1000 is dying.

And these are not the healthy individuals. I know because every time someone under the age of 50 dies, they write an article about it - they try to hide it with Facebook angles, but when you see pictures of the people dying, none of them have necks. That's because they are so fat that their heads looks like it is growing out of their shoulders like a pimple. Number one indicator that COVID will get you? Being intubated (which all these articles mention). Number two? Not having a neck.

I don't know about the rest of Florida, but my local hospital has been bragging in the newspaper about how many people they've intubated/murdered. "Oh, it's so bad here. Yesterday, we had to intubate three people." At this point, the best way to survive COVID is to literally not go to a hospital.

And we have to assume that some of the increase in deaths is due to vaccine-caused ADE. The people in the hospitals right now, according to multiple nurse whistleblowers, are all vaccinated. They don't have COVID. They have blood clots. When they tell you that 95% of the people hospitalized have been unvaccinated, that was using data from a time span starting in January, when literally nobody had vaccinations. Even with the way they message the numbers (you count as unvaccinated until two weeks after your second shot, so many hospitalized that are vaccinated are counted as unvaccinated), if you look only at recent data, the vaccinated are outnumbering the unvaccinated. Israel is a place that is quite vocal about this happening.

Man, it sure would be ironic if the increase in deaths were due to this rushed vaccine using untested new technology... did I say ironic? I mean predictable.

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« Reply #2552 on: September 13, 2021, 10:11:04 PM »
It's a hospital I've used before. They've never had this issue, pre-covid. Their staffing levels have not been magically cut. They just have too many patients relative to the number of patients they had pre-covid, because of covid patients.
Not necessarily. Due to COVID, they changed how they allocate patients. Many hospitals have an entire COVID wing, where each person gets their own room (rather than two or even four patients per room). They also have fewer patients per nurse (rather than seven patients per nurse, it might only be two). The staff have so much protective gear that to even go to the bathroom requires a 30 minute sequence of disinfecting, disrobing, pooping, robing, and infecting (or something thereabouts). So while a hospital may have had X capacity before COVID, due to the special nature of COVID patients, the capacity has dropped to well below X.

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There was no vaccine mandate at the time.
From what I understand, most large hospitals have had one - typically to have both shots by October 1st. Also, a lot of nurses have been quitting due to burn out. Apparently, it is kind of soul crushing to be a nurse right now.

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But it's ridiculous for you to claim it's the intubating which is killing people rather than the Covid. Intubation is a last case scenario. It happens at the point where but-for intubation your likelihood of death is nearly 100%. What a fucking absurd take from you.
I feel fairly confident that this is what is happened. Before the pandemic started, I became aware of an organization of doctors that were working to get intubation out of hospitals because of the absurdly high fatality rate. To be intubated, you need a cocktail of extremely dangerous drugs to be put into a coma. You are almost assured to get pneumonia from bacteria that grows on the tubing. Improperly calibrated devices can actually do permanent damage to the lungs. And at the time, it was suggested that 1 in 4 people who become intubated did not survive. These doctors believed that intubation was extremely dangerous and life threatening, and there were other options in many cases (such as negative pressure ventilation).

Mind you, this was before the COVID thing ever started. When I heard that they needed ventilators, I kept thinking back to this article I read. Then it turns out that everything they suggested happened and more - for COVID patients, 90% will not survive intubation. The worst part is that intubation isn't even called for with COVID, since it is a failure for the hemoglobin to bind with oxygen that is the problem. The lungs are fine. That's why doctors were suggesting that COVID more resembled high altitude sickness than the flu.

Now, you say that it only people knocking on death's door that are being intubated, but that's not true. I've seen people who have been awake and talking on their phones, even tweeting before intubation. You don't usually intubate people who can operate a phone. Instead, hospital policy is to intubate when the blood oxygen level reaches a specific point - but again, these people have working lungs. They are conscious and operating phones. It's not a problem with their lungs. There was one guy who was screaming and had to be held down to be intubated - explain to me why they need to intubate a guy who's lungs work enough to scream.

No, intubation is actually killing people.  It is being misused and it is what is causing the spike in deaths, not COVID. If they stopped intubations tomorrow, COVID deaths would all but disappear. This may shock you to find out, but people are only dying in hospitals. Nobody is finding dead bodies in homes. They are dying in hospitals. They are dying in elder care facilities. The places where they intubate. You are 37 times more likely to be diagnosed with COVID in a hospital than at a general practitioners office. The early spike in deaths last year was entirely due to New York City's practice intubating early (two-thirds of all COVID deaths in the first half of 2020 was in NYC and the surround area) where most of the rest of the country still didn't have that many ventilators.

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She didn't die of Covid dude.  There is no covid protocol for her burial, it's just a backlog of bodies.
There's still a line. The backlog is due to COVID policies.

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There IS a giant influx of deaths. We count this. We've always counted this. The number of deaths is up enormously. There is no getting around that fact. I've seen people try to argue it's the lockdowns themselves which caused the increase in deaths but there is no escaping the 100% true fact we do have more deaths right now. Period. ANY objective standard which measures death rates is in fact showing more people dying.
We do have more deaths now, but not everywhere equally. Many states have lower mortality this year than last. Minnesota, for example, is basically at 0% excess mortality in 2021. New York is on track for no excess mortality so far.

Florida is probably the worst one, with expected mortality for 2021 being 145,513 and the reported deaths being 170,937 - an increase of 25,424 deaths. Seems like a lot, but Florida has 25 million people in it. 25k deaths represents 0.1% of our population. Texas is similar. 29k deaths but a population of 29 million, so the absolute increase in deaths still hovers around 0.1% of the population. Basically it means that 1 extra person per 1000 is dying.

And these are not the healthy individuals. I know because every time someone under the age of 50 dies, they write an article about it - they try to hide it with Facebook angles, but when you see pictures of the people dying, none of them have necks. That's because they are so fat that their heads looks like it is growing out of their shoulders like a pimple. Number one indicator that COVID will get you? Being intubated (which all these articles mention). Number two? Not having a neck.

I don't know about the rest of Florida, but my local hospital has been bragging in the newspaper about how many people they've intubated/murdered. "Oh, it's so bad here. Yesterday, we had to intubate three people." At this point, the best way to survive COVID is to literally not go to a hospital.

And we have to assume that some of the increase in deaths is due to vaccine-caused ADE. The people in the hospitals right now, according to multiple nurse whistleblowers, are all vaccinated. They don't have COVID. They have blood clots. When they tell you that 95% of the people hospitalized have been unvaccinated, that was using data from a time span starting in January, when literally nobody had vaccinations. Even with the way they message the numbers (you count as unvaccinated until two weeks after your second shot, so many hospitalized that are vaccinated are counted as unvaccinated), if you look only at recent data, the vaccinated are outnumbering the unvaccinated. Israel is a place that is quite vocal about this happening.

Man, it sure would be ironic if the increase in deaths were due to this rushed vaccine using untested new technology... did I say ironic? I mean predictable.
There is so much misinformed bullshit in this post that it almost surprised me...but this is theRPGsite.

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« Reply #2553 on: September 13, 2021, 10:26:50 PM »
So much misinformation that I am not going to even say which information is wrong.
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« Reply #2554 on: September 13, 2021, 10:50:10 PM »
Squidi is right in some elements, but I agree that post has a lot of bad information. There is a saying that people who have recovered from a ventilator suffer from a disease called "being on a ventilator". Recovery can be a long painful process, and people may suffer from permanent impairments. But it's not a death sentence, it's a last resort. The death rate is high because it's the final option for people in dire straits; not because it's used to kill otherwise healthy people. And while there's certainly a very good argument that ventilators were overused at the start of the pandemic, and in many cases covid patients responded well to positive pressure (not negative pressure) devices like c-pap machines that didn't involve intubation and mechanical breathing, it is about oxygen levels.

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« Reply #2555 on: September 14, 2021, 12:08:48 AM »
Squidi is right in some elements, but I agree that post has a lot of bad information. There is a saying that people who have recovered from a ventilator suffer from a disease called "being on a ventilator". Recovery can be a long painful process, and people may suffer from permanent impairments. But it's not a death sentence, it's a last resort. The death rate is high because it's the final option for people in dire straits; not because it's used to kill otherwise healthy people. And while there's certainly a very good argument that ventilators were overused at the start of the pandemic, and in many cases covid patients responded well to positive pressure (not negative pressure) devices like c-pap machines that didn't involve intubation and mechanical breathing, it is about oxygen levels.
Negative pressure ventilators do exist, but they are not commonly used for various reasons. Covid is encouraging development in this area, but to believe that NPVs are going to just appear everywhere (along with staff trained in their use) is not reality.

Also, it can be about more than oxygen levels. The CO2 levels are important as well, and rising levels of CO2 can creep up in Covid patients even when O2 sats look good. This can contribute to confusion and "screaming patients that can't breath."

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« Reply #2556 on: September 14, 2021, 12:24:45 AM »
Did the Nurses try taking their knees off the screaming patients necks?


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« Reply #2557 on: September 14, 2021, 01:01:29 AM »
Squidi is right in some elements, but I agree that post has a lot of bad information.
I consider every post I make to be the beginning of a conversation, not the end of one. If you feel anything I've said is wrong, by all means, I'll go track down my sources (if they still exist, Reddit killing /r/NoNewNormal nuked a lot of links) - my memory isn't 100% and it's been sometimes months (or even years) since I read some of this stuff. I always allow that I could be wrong about something... but I'll try my hardest to prove that I am not.

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But it's not a death sentence, it's a last resort.
Well, it should be. I'm not sure that it is. For one thing, hospitals get paid, I think, $39,000 per patient put on a vent through the CARES Act. That's a powerful incentive right there, and incentives DO change behavior (recommended reading: Freakonomics).

But I'm not that cynical. I think doctors actually think ventilators work, even as they watch patient after patient die on them. It must be the COVID, not the life saving ventilators that I am personally responsible for putting dozens and even hundreds of people on! Of course, it'd be better if they didn't give them Remdesivir first, which apparently causes organ shutdown. Also, I believe some of the drugs they give to people being intubated cause some trouble - I forget what it was, but it was something like causing a vitamin C deficiency. I'll see if I can find that article.

Doctors really need to revaluate early treatment, especially ivermectin.... but people are going around saying "Ivermectin is for horses" - it's been the weirdest thing I've seen on the internet since the day Reddit changed during the 2016 Democratic National Convention. Australia just outlawed it, pharmacies won't fulfill it, and doctors are getting fired for prescribing it. All for a drug which over 70 studies have shown reduces mortality, is effectively being used in India (remember when Delta was called the Indian variant?) and Japan. I'm starting to think there's a lot of pressure coming from somewhere to make sure nobody uses this cheap, generic drug which, if proven effective, would remove emergency use authorization from the vaccines.

And if that pressure exists (it obviously does), wouldn't that mean they are intentionally giving people ineffective and dangerous treatments on purpose? Is the reason so many people are ending up on ventilators in the first place because of bad medical treatment by hospitals?

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... in many cases covid patients responded well to positive pressure (not negative pressure) devices like c-pap machines that didn't involve intubation and mechanical breathing, it is about oxygen levels.
Right, but it is about oxygen in the blood, not in the lungs. Using "mechanical lungs" when the lungs are working doesn't really accomplish much.

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« Reply #2558 on: September 14, 2021, 09:24:05 AM »
Squidi is right in some elements, but I agree that post has a lot of bad information.
I consider every post I make to be the beginning of a conversation, not the end of one. If you feel anything I've said is wrong, by all means, I'll go track down my sources (if they still exist, Reddit killing /r/NoNewNormal nuked a lot of links) - my memory isn't 100% and it's been sometimes months (or even years) since I read some of this stuff. I always allow that I could be wrong about something... but I'll try my hardest to prove that I am not.

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But it's not a death sentence, it's a last resort.
Well, it should be. I'm not sure that it is. For one thing, hospitals get paid, I think, $39,000 per patient put on a vent through the CARES Act. That's a powerful incentive right there, and incentives DO change behavior (recommended reading: Freakonomics).

But I'm not that cynical. I think doctors actually think ventilators work, even as they watch patient after patient die on them. It must be the COVID, not the life saving ventilators that I am personally responsible for putting dozens and even hundreds of people on! Of course, it'd be better if they didn't give them Remdesivir first, which apparently causes organ shutdown. Also, I believe some of the drugs they give to people being intubated cause some trouble - I forget what it was, but it was something like causing a vitamin C deficiency. I'll see if I can find that article.

Doctors really need to revaluate early treatment, especially ivermectin.... but people are going around saying "Ivermectin is for horses" - it's been the weirdest thing I've seen on the internet since the day Reddit changed during the 2016 Democratic National Convention. Australia just outlawed it, pharmacies won't fulfill it, and doctors are getting fired for prescribing it. All for a drug which over 70 studies have shown reduces mortality, is effectively being used in India (remember when Delta was called the Indian variant?) and Japan. I'm starting to think there's a lot of pressure coming from somewhere to make sure nobody uses this cheap, generic drug which, if proven effective, would remove emergency use authorization from the vaccines.

And if that pressure exists (it obviously does), wouldn't that mean they are intentionally giving people ineffective and dangerous treatments on purpose? Is the reason so many people are ending up on ventilators in the first place because of bad medical treatment by hospitals?

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... in many cases covid patients responded well to positive pressure (not negative pressure) devices like c-pap machines that didn't involve intubation and mechanical breathing, it is about oxygen levels.
Right, but it is about oxygen in the blood, not in the lungs. Using "mechanical lungs" when the lungs are working doesn't really accomplish much.
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?

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« Reply #2559 on: September 14, 2021, 10:59:05 AM »
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?
Look, fucktard, if you want to have a discussion about this, stop with the name calling or else fuck off. The adults are talking.

Yes, the spike protein is causing damage to the lungs (and other organs). No, it is not something found in every (or even most) ICU COVID case. No, it is not something found in every ventilated COVID case.

And hey, why don't you explain PEEP to me - in your own words?

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« Reply #2560 on: September 14, 2021, 11:15:48 AM »
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?
Look, fucktard, if you want to have a discussion about this, stop with the name calling or else fuck off. The adults are talking.

Yes, the spike protein is causing damage to the lungs (and other organs). No, it is not something found in every (or even most) ICU COVID case. No, it is not something found in every ventilated COVID case.

And hey, why don't you explain PEEP to me - in your own words?
When you stop with spewing dumbass misinformation, I'll stop calling you a dumbass.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, and besides, conspiracy theory loving dumbasses here (and all over these days) systematically reject reality, so what's the point? No, my little dumbass NPC, you exist here merely for my enjoyment, so keep on dancing and thinking you're the 'adult' in the room.

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« Reply #2561 on: September 14, 2021, 11:36:54 AM »
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?
Look, fucktard, if you want to have a discussion about this, stop with the name calling or else fuck off. The adults are talking.

Yes, the spike protein is causing damage to the lungs (and other organs). No, it is not something found in every (or even most) ICU COVID case. No, it is not something found in every ventilated COVID case.

And hey, why don't you explain PEEP to me - in your own words?
When you stop with spewing dumbass misinformation, I'll stop calling you a dumbass.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, and besides, conspiracy theory loving dumbasses here (and all over these days) systematically reject reality, so what's the point? No, my little dumbass NPC, you exist here merely for my enjoyment, so keep on dancing and thinking you're the 'adult' in the room.
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« Reply #2562 on: September 14, 2021, 12:37:56 PM »
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?
Look, fucktard, if you want to have a discussion about this, stop with the name calling or else fuck off. The adults are talking.

Yes, the spike protein is causing damage to the lungs (and other organs). No, it is not something found in every (or even most) ICU COVID case. No, it is not something found in every ventilated COVID case.

And hey, why don't you explain PEEP to me - in your own words?
When you stop with spewing dumbass misinformation, I'll stop calling you a dumbass.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, and besides, conspiracy theory loving dumbasses here (and all over these days) systematically reject reality, so what's the point? No, my little dumbass NPC, you exist here merely for my enjoyment, so keep on dancing and thinking you're the 'adult' in the room.
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« Reply #2563 on: September 14, 2021, 01:27:01 PM »
I feel fairly confident that this is what is happened. Before the pandemic started, I became aware of an organization of doctors that were working to get intubation out of hospitals because of the absurdly high fatality rate. To be intubated, you need a cocktail of extremely dangerous drugs to be put into a coma. You are almost assured to get pneumonia from bacteria that grows on the tubing. Improperly calibrated devices can actually do permanent damage to the lungs. And at the time, it was suggested that 1 in 4 people who become intubated did not survive. These doctors believed that intubation was extremely dangerous and life threatening, and there were other options in many cases (such as negative pressure ventilation).

Mind you, this was before the COVID thing ever started. When I heard that they needed ventilators, I kept thinking back to this article I read. Then it turns out that everything they suggested happened and more - for COVID patients, 90% will not survive intubation. The worst part is that intubation isn't even called for with COVID, since it is a failure for the hemoglobin to bind with oxygen that is the problem. The lungs are fine. That's why doctors were suggesting that COVID more resembled high altitude sickness than the flu.

Now, you say that it only people knocking on death's door that are being intubated, but that's not true. I've seen people who have been awake and talking on their phones, even tweeting before intubation. You don't usually intubate people who can operate a phone. Instead, hospital policy is to intubate when the blood oxygen level reaches a specific point - but again, these people have working lungs. They are conscious and operating phones. It's not a problem with their lungs. There was one guy who was screaming and had to be held down to be intubated - explain to me why they need to intubate a guy who's lungs work enough to scream.

No, intubation is actually killing people.  It is being misused and it is what is causing the spike in deaths, not COVID. If they stopped intubations tomorrow, COVID deaths would all but disappear. This may shock you to find out, but people are only dying in hospitals. Nobody is finding dead bodies in homes. They are dying in hospitals. They are dying in elder care facilities. The places where they intubate. You are 37 times more likely to be diagnosed with COVID in a hospital than at a general practitioners office. The early spike in deaths last year was entirely due to New York City's practice intubating early (two-thirds of all COVID deaths in the first half of 2020 was in NYC and the surround area) where most of the rest of the country still didn't have that many ventilators.

This is just too idiotic a take for me to take you seriously on this topic anymore. You're putting your non-medical guesstimate above all known medical practices and just assuming you know better. Your position isn't even well supported among the nutcase conspiracy theorists out there. There isn't a single one-off wacky doctor even who agrees with your view. You've literally just pulled a rando view out of your ass based on nothing meaningful because I guess it's the only thing you can think of which would match your worldview that covid doesn't kill people? But it's so fucking absurd if I didn't see your other posts I'd assume you were trying to be a parody of a nutcase conspiracy theorist.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2564 on: September 14, 2021, 02:02:41 PM »
No, dumbass, it is the lungs. Have you looked at the x-ray images showing lung opacities from infiltrates and scarring? Are you aware that ventilation can occur without adequate respiration, especially in damaged lungs? Do you understand the reasons for PEEP?
Look, fucktard, if you want to have a discussion about this, stop with the name calling or else fuck off. The adults are talking.

Yes, the spike protein is causing damage to the lungs (and other organs). No, it is not something found in every (or even most) ICU COVID case. No, it is not something found in every ventilated COVID case.

And hey, why don't you explain PEEP to me - in your own words?
When you stop with spewing dumbass misinformation, I'll stop calling you a dumbass.

It's not my responsibility to educate you, and besides, conspiracy theory loving dumbasses here (and all over these days) systematically reject reality, so what's the point? No, my little dumbass NPC, you exist here merely for my enjoyment, so keep on dancing and thinking you're the 'adult' in the room.
'It's not my job to educate you!' yells the SJW as he demands you 'listen and believe'.
I have to hope that when they upgrade this level, this particular NPC gets some better dialogue options.
Fascist patient killer says what?