Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

We've kinda proven those points out over time. We did the whole "You can go unmasked if you're vaccinated as long as the unvaccinated wear masks" based on the honors system and it was a total train wreck with everyone going maskless because that's how our society works these days. So here we are, with the vaccinated having to wear masks because the unvaccinated won't unless everyone has to.

Ah yes, identify and blame some Other. It's their fault.

I'm currently reading Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism. The parallels are striking.

[FelixGamingX1]

Stoked to hear a new 6 step plan to curb the spread is on the way. Anyone else super excited!? Sarcasm btw

[Shasarak]

Stumbled upon this article just now. It's kinda odd, sad, and funny at the same time.

Oklahoma ERs can't treat gunshot victims because too many people are ODing on horse hormones? https://www.insider.com/oklahomas-emergency-rooms-are-clogged-with-people-overdosing-on-ivermectin-2021-9?amp

So this is what prolonged lockdowns do to people, huh!?

Considering this turned out to be false, bullshit, fake news, etc, do you plan to retract it?

You know thats not how this works.

[Mistwell]

The Wuhan flu is not going away.  It's best to resign yourself that .2% of y'all will die each year from it.
Instead of wearing masks and social distancing like cowardly pussies, I recommend you get your ass
outside, exercise and lose some weight, take your vitamins D and Zinc, and kiss a lot of strange girls.

Oh look another internet badass.

ICUs being full is an issue for everyone. You too, internet badass, if you get in a car accident or fall off a ladder.

Until we can get a lot more people vaccinated, including some people under the age of 12, we need to keep those ICU counts down for everyone's benefit. So if you want to be an actual badass, persuade people to get vaccinated.

[Mistwell]

We've kinda proven those points out over time. We did the whole "You can go unmasked if you're vaccinated as long as the unvaccinated wear masks" based on the honors system and it was a total train wreck with everyone going maskless because that's how our society works these days. So here we are, with the vaccinated having to wear masks because the unvaccinated won't unless everyone has to.

Ah yes, identify and blame some Other. It's their fault.

I'm currently reading Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism. The parallels are striking.

Cut the crap. Do you think the unvaccinated wear a mask when they see many other people not wearing a mask? Do you think the honor system was working or not?

[Ghostmaker]

I have literally, no shit, seen people say, 'I have the right to live in a virus free world.'

Just wrap your mind around that level of stupid.

[SHARK]

The whole China virus hysteria and totalitarianism has really inspired me to increasingly embrace a kind of "Fuck It" attitude. The fucking virus is here forever. There is no cure, and never will be. Might as well get on with living life to the fullest. This goddamn virus does not warrant a fucking hysterical power-grab by jackasses throughout society. It is high past time more people everywhere in society to put their foot down and demand enough is enough. Shut up and fucking live life, and let everyone else live life, too. If you get it and die, oh well. At any given day, there's likely a dozen ways anyone of us could die. The China virus is just another method to add to the stack.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That's what I've been arguing for a while. Once we had community spread in the US -- which we knew by March of last year, though it's now clear it was already happening late 2019 -- there was no way to contain it. It's become part of the background of diseases, like the various viruses that cause the flu.

That said, we don't have to take every risk in the book. There are still some legitimate questions about the long term effects of the vaccines, but they do seem to ameliorate the worst effects, so there's a strong argument in favor of vaccinating the most vulnerable, like the elderly and frontline healthcare workers. But it should be 100% uncoerced. We need to stop taking cues from Mengele and the US Public Health Service.

And if there was a major new outbreak, you could make an argument in favor of shutting down large indoor events, because we know that the effects of superspreaders are disproportionate. But again, it should be voluntary. Get a cute little color code like the Department of Homeland Security uses to warn of terrorist events or something.

Greetings!

Yep, that's right, Pat. I agree. This whole thing is such bullshit. People that are old, fat, and ill, should wear a mask, isolate themselves, do whatever makes them feel safer, as *their choice* There shouldn't be fucking mandates for a fucking thing--not masks, and sure as fuck not untested goddamned vaccines. ARRRGGGHHHH!!! All the power-mad Grima Wormtongues in our society!

People have gotten fucking vaccinated--and many do wear the goddamned mask--and new fucking cases still mushroom everywhere in a mass, hysterical frenzy according to the state media. "Well, SHARK! It's the DELTA VARIANT you fucking Tyrannoaurus Rex!"--Yeah, and three months from now, there will be a fucking Chloe Variant. And after that, six weeks, twelve weeks, some other variant. Always more variants, always more dangers and "What about Grandma?" and on and fucking on. It will be endless, with the government, and the media, and the cock-sucking teacher's unions always demanding more power, more mandatory lockdowns, more vaccinations.

Enough is fucking enough!

Our people everywhere need to wake the fuck up and stop being a society of hysterical pussies. Our land used to have hard-core diseases and dangers, from plagues, to constant natural disasters, famines, floods, bone-chilling winters, mass starvation, bandits, savage Indian tribes. Against all that--we had hard-core people. They resigned themselves to fighting through it all and surviving--or if they died, they died with solemn dignity. That was that.

Our people now are nothing like out ancestors, and it is so sad and pathetic.

I am sick to death of the fucking tyranny, the moral condescension, and the fucking uber-nannies. Geesus!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Zelen]

Expecting a ban on air travel for uninjected people tomorrow. Lets see what happens. Hope a judge in Hawaii is ready to strike it down.

[Pat]

We've kinda proven those points out over time. We did the whole "You can go unmasked if you're vaccinated as long as the unvaccinated wear masks" based on the honors system and it was a total train wreck with everyone going maskless because that's how our society works these days. So here we are, with the vaccinated having to wear masks because the unvaccinated won't unless everyone has to.

Ah yes, identify and blame some Other. It's their fault.

I'm currently reading Hannah Arendt's The Origins of Totalitarianism. The parallels are striking.

Cut the crap. Do you think the unvaccinated wear a mask when they see many other people not wearing a mask? Do you think the honor system was working or not?

I don't think masks work. The studies have been very conclusive that the effect is minimal to non-existent, and the last one you cited with a positive effect has a number of methodological problems.

The only reason for the masks is to exert control by creating a climate of fear, and providing an enemy to blame. Which is why I'm bringing up parallels in the writing of authors like Arendt and Hoffer, who dissected the nature of fanatical mass movements and the rise of totalitarianism, because these the techniques used.

[Chris24601]

ICUs being full is an issue for everyone. You too, internet badass, if you get in a car accident or fall off a ladder.

ICU's are almost always near capacity at normal times because the bean counters don't want a bunch of beds sitting empty and costing them money. There are whole studies done before hospitals even break ground to figure out what a normal number of patients at any one time will be. If a Hospital is at 90-95% capacity; that's NORMAL.

According to the numbers from the undertakers, the number of deaths was actually LOWER in 2020 than it was in 2019.

Meanwhile in Israel where 90+% are double vaxxed, a large percentage has had the booster and some even a fourth booster, the majority hospitalized and dying with Covid are vaxxed and even the experts say the new mutations creaked by the leaky vax (actually gene therapy and not a vax) have made the vax and first two boosters useless at stopping it (just like the guy who invented the mRNA process said would happen).

Meanwhile multiple studies show natural immunity (to a virus with a 99.9+% survival rate) is 7-20 times more effective than the jab and provides lasting resistance/immunity and the places that didn't lock down and the African countries who HCQ and Ivermectin are regularly taken as anti-malarial prophylaxis are having no problems with the virus at all.

The LAST thing we should be doing is jamming endless gene therapy treatments with zero long term risk studies completed on them into children.

[HappyDaze]

ICUs being full is an issue for everyone. You too, internet badass, if you get in a car accident or fall off a ladder.

ICU's are almost always near capacity at normal times because the bean counters don't want a bunch of beds sitting empty and costing them money. There are whole studies done before hospitals even break ground to figure out what a normal number of patients at any one time will be. If a Hospital is at 90-95% capacity; that's NORMAL.

According to the numbers from the undertakers, the number of deaths was actually LOWER in 2020 than it was in 2019.

Meanwhile in Israel where 90+% are double vaxxed, a large percentage has had the booster and some even a fourth booster, the majority hospitalized and dying with Covid are vaxxed and even the experts say the new mutations creaked by the leaky vax (actually gene therapy and not a vax) have made the vax and first two boosters useless at stopping it (just like the guy who invented the mRNA process said would happen).

Meanwhile multiple studies show natural immunity (to a virus with a 99.9+% survival rate) is 7-20 times more effective than the jab and provides lasting resistance/immunity and the places that didn't lock down and the African countries who HCQ and Ivermectin are regularly taken as anti-malarial prophylaxis are having no problems with the virus at all.

The LAST thing we should be doing is jamming endless gene therapy treatments with zero long term risk studies completed on them into children.

You should factor in that hospitals have often expanded their ICUs into other care areas and then are still at/near capacity.  One campus I work started with a 20-bed ICU that took over another 20 beds from an adjacent surgical unit and had an average daily census of 36 (with roughly 2/3 being Covid patients) in August. You can view that as being at 90% capacity, but compared to the hospital's standard it's really 180% capacity.

[Pat]

You should factor in that hospitals have often expanded their ICUs into other care areas and then are still at/near capacity.  One campus I work started with a 20-bed ICU that took over another 20 beds from an adjacent surgical unit and had an average daily census of 36 (with roughly 2/3 being Covid patients) in August. You can view that as being at 90% capacity, but compared to the hospital's standard it's really 180% capacity.

It's not an area where I've dived deep, but I've ended up reading a lot of articles that touch on ICU capacity, and they were uniformly terrible. They either gave numbers that sound large without providing context (i.e. compared to the normal/expected rates) or focused on a single case while suggesting it's the norm, even when it's clearly a rare exception. I'm sure the raw data is out there, but it would be nice if we had trustworthy news organizations, instead of having to assemble all the parts ourselves.

[oggsmash]

 You know what I do not see mentioned, ever?  How we are letting hordes of people into the country with no idea as to how vaccinated they are. 

[Ghostmaker]

You know what I do not see mentioned, ever?  How we are letting hordes of people into the country with no idea as to how vaccinated they are.

The how isn't the question. The question is the why.

Particularly as there's been implication that such people have been deliberately exposed to Covid and then dumped in, how shall we say, more fractious states that aren't inclined to bow their heads to D.C.

[HappyDaze]

You know what I do not see mentioned, ever?  How we are letting hordes of people into the country with no idea as to how vaccinated they are.

The how isn't the question. The question is the why.

Particularly as there's been implication that such people have been deliberately exposed to Covid and then dumped in, how shall we say, more fractious states that aren't inclined to bow their heads to D.C.

Deliberately exposed to Covid? Where do you get these nonsensical conspiracy theories?