Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Pat]

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

Who exactly is arguing that people without co-morbidities are completely immune to becoming seriously ill or dying from covid?

Nobody. What they're actually arguing is the risk is small. You're strawmanning your opponents and then acting outraged when they don't accept your strawman as representative of their position.

[FelixGamingX1]

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

Who exactly is arguing that people without co-morbidities are completely immune to becoming seriously ill or dying from covid?

Nobody. What they're actually arguing is the risk is small. You're strawmanning your opponents and then acting outraged when they don't accept your strawman as representative of their position.

The risk is only as small as one interprets it to be. A small scratch on a new car is a big deal. Are we dismissive of Covid because it's no longer new?

[Pat]

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

Who exactly is arguing that people without co-morbidities are completely immune to becoming seriously ill or dying from covid?

Nobody. What they're actually arguing is the risk is small. You're strawmanning your opponents and then acting outraged when they don't accept your strawman as representative of their position.

The risk is only as small as one interprets it to be. A small scratch on a new car is a big deal. Are we dismissive of Covid because it's no longer new?

You seem to live in backwards world.

When covid first gained attention, we didn't have a good idea how dangerous it was. We have actual numbers now, and the risk is very low for the working age population without serious health problems, and almost non-existent for children. Why is the world still in panic?

[FelixGamingX1]

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

Who exactly is arguing that people without co-morbidities are completely immune to becoming seriously ill or dying from covid?

Nobody. What they're actually arguing is the risk is small. You're strawmanning your opponents and then acting outraged when they don't accept your strawman as representative of their position.

The risk is only as small as one interprets it to be. A small scratch on a new car is a big deal. Are we dismissive of Covid because it's no longer new?

You seem to live in backwards world.

When covid first gained attention, we didn't have a good idea how dangerous it was. We have actual numbers now, and the risk is very low for the working age population without serious health problems, and almost non-existent for children. Why is the world still in panic?

Actually, panic is a understatement. Covid will trigger mass extinction if left unchecked. 10 million job openings, no workers. Don't forget they'll always know more than the general populace. All these variants will never end at this rate. Neither vaccine nor masks seem to be doing that great of a job. This labor day, cases are three times higher than last holiday. Something isn't right!

Our newest variant, meet Mu.
https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-names-new-covid-19-variant-health-officials-are-keeping-an-eye-on

[Shasarak]

Why is the world still in panic?

Actually, panic is a understatement. Covid will trigger mass extinction if left unchecked. 10 million job openings, no workers.

Mass extinction is one way to solve the unemployment crisis I guess.

[Mistwell]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

We can (and have) dug up "black swan" cases of vaccinated people dying of Covid. If you look, you'll find edge cases to "support" any position.

Yes I know, I just posted the boxer who is in the hospital with covid despite being fully vaccinated. Again, I am not arguing everyone is at equal risk. I am simply arguing being young and healthy isn't itself enough to ensure no real risk of hospitalization or death. It just increases your odds in a meaningful way. Much like the vaccine also increases your odds in a meaningful way.

[Ratman_tf]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

We can (and have) dug up "black swan" cases of vaccinated people dying of Covid. If you look, you'll find edge cases to "support" any position.

Yes I know, I just posted the boxer who is in the hospital with covid despite being fully vaccinated. Again, I am not arguing everyone is at equal risk. I am simply arguing being young and healthy isn't itself enough to ensure no real risk of hospitalization or death. It just increases your odds in a meaningful way. Much like the vaccine also increases your odds in a meaningful way.

I agree with you there. I can't speak for everyone else on the board, but for myself, all I'm standing by, is the right to decide for myself how to asses those odds and risks in the face of rhetoric and, in some cases, downright misrepresentation and blatant mistruths.

It certainly doesn't help that on this forum, discussion is a brawl, with people jumping in, getting their punches in, and then jumping out.

[dkabq]

I agree with you there. I can't speak for everyone else on the board, but for myself, all I'm standing by, is the right to decide for myself how to asses those odds and risks in the face of rhetoric and, in some cases, downright misrepresentation and blatant mistruths.

It certainly doesn't help that on this forum, discussion is a brawl, with people jumping in, getting their punches in, and then jumping out.

That's pretty much my position.

[oggsmash]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

  You mistake my comments about Delahoya to have anything to do with covid.   I would also say, no one, including me says healthy people can not die from covid.  The odds are just EXTREMELY long as to it happening.   My comments are more around me smelling a whiff of bullshit around Oscar maybe deciding fighting a heavyweight in his late 40's is not a great idea.  As in maybe worse for his health than covid. 

[Shasarak]

I wonder if you could find 1 person in a country of 330 million that has died of the CCP Wuhan virus without any other pre existing conditions?

[Pat]

I wonder if you could find 1 person in a country of 330 million that has died of the CCP Wuhan virus without any other pre existing conditions?

It's about a 1 in 10,000 chance, so I'm guessing that means it's impossible and you'll never find an example. And if you do find an example, I'm sure the media will help the public put in context, and not sensationalize it.

[HappyDaze]

I wonder if you could find 1 person in a country of 330 million that has died of the CCP Wuhan virus without any other pre existing conditions?

Want to firm up the foundations of those goalposts? What pre-existing conditions to you want to consider? Any/all medical conditioins? If you go that route, damn near all of them will have suffered from at least a bout of tooth decay or adolescent acne that obviously was the true cause of death, right?

[Shasarak]

I wonder if you could find 1 person in a country of 330 million that has died of the CCP Wuhan virus without any other pre existing conditions?

Want to firm up the foundations of those goalposts? What pre-existing conditions to you want to consider? Any/all medical conditioins? If you go that route, damn near all of them will have suffered from at least a bout of tooth decay or adolescent acne that obviously was the true cause of death, right?

Even if its a 1 in a million chance then it has to have happened at least 330 times, so someone must be able to find one of those people.

[HappyDaze]

I wonder if you could find 1 person in a country of 330 million that has died of the CCP Wuhan virus without any other pre existing conditions?

Want to firm up the foundations of those goalposts? What pre-existing conditions to you want to consider? Any/all medical conditioins? If you go that route, damn near all of them will have suffered from at least a bout of tooth decay or adolescent acne that obviously was the true cause of death, right?

Even if its a 1 in a million chance then it has to have happened at least 330 times, so someone must be able to find one of those people.

How would suggest doing that?

[Mistwell]

Boxer Oscar de la Hoya (48) is in the hospital fighting for his life right now with Covid. Not only was he not overweight or obese but he was in training for his next fight against UFC champion Vitor Belfort, scheduled for Sept. 11 at Staples Center, and had been training for months, and was in peak physical condition. He's also fully vaccinated.

This virus hits people in different ways. Being of a healthy BMI decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. Being vaccinated decreases your chances of harm, but it's not determinative. You can better your odds by watching your weight and being vaccinated. But nothing is a sure thing.

  Oscar has been hit in the head a ton, was way undersized to fight Belfort, and has had a shitload of booger sugar during his life.  I would not be too certain of his excellent physical condition to be honest, and I would not be so certain his condition is dire, as media tends to exaggerate one way or the other.

   He might be in dire condition and might have been in excellent condition, but past Oscar, his closest of kin, and his doctor no one else really knows.

Oh for fucks sake NONE of those are known risk factors for Covid. He was however in excellent physical condition, and it's Oscar himself tweeting FROM THE HOSPITAL.

The lengths you guys will go to, to pretend nobody healthy has ever been made seriously ill or died from Covid, are truly amazing. I am not arguing everyone is equally at risk from covid, but you still are unwilling to admit to apparently ANY risk for healthy people from Covid. Which is just sad denial.

Here, this is Josh Tidmore. Dead from Covid. Healthy, 36, not overweight or obese, non-smoker, physically active. No underlying conditions. I am not arguing this is a "typical" case. I am however saying it's happening to some. You're not immune just because you're healthy and of an appropriate weight and active and younger:

We can (and have) dug up "black swan" cases of vaccinated people dying of Covid. If you look, you'll find edge cases to "support" any position.

Yes I know, I just posted the boxer who is in the hospital with covid despite being fully vaccinated. Again, I am not arguing everyone is at equal risk. I am simply arguing being young and healthy isn't itself enough to ensure no real risk of hospitalization or death. It just increases your odds in a meaningful way. Much like the vaccine also increases your odds in a meaningful way.

I agree with you there. I can't speak for everyone else on the board, but for myself, all I'm standing by, is the right to decide for myself how to asses those odds and risks in the face of rhetoric and, in some cases, downright misrepresentation and blatant mistruths.

It certainly doesn't help that on this forum, discussion is a brawl, with people jumping in, getting their punches in, and then jumping out.

I don't appreciate you being logical and reasonable in this response. It's really throwing off my assumptions and making me reconsider what I think about it. Not cool mang!