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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2355 on: August 31, 2021, 10:23:39 PM »
I'm not interested in arguing banal things or insulting each other.
You're also not interested in a discussion. All you're doing is throwing up a smorgasbord of statements in other people's words, rather than making a coherent argument yourself.

Not at all, and you know it. I offered evidence in the way I could (and I have more and more); What else do you expect me to do? All you and the other guy did was mock me for "conspiracy theorist" and now you say I'm not open for a reasonable discussion?

You live in a world that is increasingly globalist and anti-nationalist, and literally heads of state stating this is their official policy. What makes it so far fetched to think the same project is still ongoing? Need I give more examples or will you ignore them?

Let's begin with the basics. Please stop spamming the board with a series of huge image files. It's fucking the sub-forum up.

How is it "fucking the sub-forum up"? I was able to see the post just fine.

Yes because everyone always accesses the forum in the same manner you access it, right? Try using your cell phone to look at this thread.

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« Reply #2356 on: August 31, 2021, 11:00:34 PM »
Greetings!

Who the fuck cares if there are Jews involved with Globalism?

Oh just like 700+ years of history of conspiracy theories of secret cabals trying to take over the world under one unified order by strategically placing people in influential financial and entertainment and political positions focused on Jews? You know, hundreds and hundreds of years of that theme popping up in different societies, used as an excuse to oppress imprison and murder people of that religion? I mean come on man, you have got to have seen this pattern of conspiracy theories before right? Surely you can't be new to this game.

   Do they sound anything like how whiteness is a disease and systemic racism is such a horror that we must remove white privilege from society? 

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« Reply #2357 on: August 31, 2021, 11:04:33 PM »
I'm not interested in arguing banal things or insulting each other.
You're also not interested in a discussion. All you're doing is throwing up a smorgasbord of statements in other people's words, rather than making a coherent argument yourself.

Not at all, and you know it. I offered evidence in the way I could (and I have more and more); What else do you expect me to do? All you and the other guy did was mock me for "conspiracy theorist" and now you say I'm not open for a reasonable discussion?

You live in a world that is increasingly globalist and anti-nationalist, and literally heads of state stating this is their official policy. What makes it so far fetched to think the same project is still ongoing? Need I give more examples or will you ignore them?

Let's begin with the basics. Please stop spamming the board with a series of huge image files. It's fucking the sub-forum up.

How is it "fucking the sub-forum up"? I was able to see the post just fine.

Yes because everyone always accesses the forum in the same manner you access it, right? Try using your cell phone to look at this thread.

No thanks, I'm good.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #2358 on: September 01, 2021, 10:05:18 AM »

Glad there's more of us around here. Agenda 2030 is nothing but the process towards international socialism. The UN was founded by socialists (Churchill and Roosevelt were closeted socialists and I can offer some evidence) and the Kalergi Plan is nothing other than the elimination of ethnic and national identity through "diversity". This has been the explicit goal of Freemasonry, and I can prove it.



I'm as anti-globalist as it gets. But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.

And with that, you're gone from this site.
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« Reply #2359 on: September 01, 2021, 10:28:46 AM »
But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.
Don't want to drag it further off topic, but you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Do know of an easily digestible summary? It's something I know nothing about, and while I'd normally do some research on my own, it's the type of topic where simple searches tend to return a lot of absolute garbage, and where delving into primary sources tends to be excruciating. So a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.

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« Reply #2360 on: September 01, 2021, 11:01:03 AM »

Glad there's more of us around here. Agenda 2030 is nothing but the process towards international socialism. The UN was founded by socialists (Churchill and Roosevelt were closeted socialists and I can offer some evidence) and the Kalergi Plan is nothing other than the elimination of ethnic and national identity through "diversity". This has been the explicit goal of Freemasonry, and I can prove it.



I'm as anti-globalist as it gets. But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.

And with that, you're gone from this site.
IIRC, the Protocols were a whole-cloth invention by the Tsarist Okhrana (the secret police of the old Russian Empire, pre-USSR).

But hey, to-may-to, to-mah-to, it's still a fraud and you're still right :)

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« Reply #2361 on: September 01, 2021, 11:22:50 AM »
But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.
Don't want to drag it further off topic, but you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Do know of an easily digestible summary? It's something I know nothing about, and while I'd normally do some research on my own, it's the type of topic where simple searches tend to return a lot of absolute garbage, and where delving into primary sources tends to be excruciating. So a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.

There was a real dude, Ricard Kalergi, who was an early-20th Century promoter of the Pan-european movement (essentially, the movement to create a European Union). He was extremely liberal for his age. He was the son of an Austro-Hungarian Count and a Japanese heiress, which obviously made him quite unusual. He was not Jewish (as many of the Neo-Nazis who push the "Kalergi Plan" conspiracy theory sometimes claim), though he did marry a Jewish actress.
He was a Freemason, but only from 1922 to 1926.

He was deeply horrified by WWI, and inspired by Wilson's ideas of the League of Nations. He wrote several books in the 1920s where he promoted the idea of Pan-Europeanism. He came up with the idea that Beethoven's Ode to Joy should be the "national anthem of Europe", which is really likely his most lasting influence on the modern world.

Though the Neo-Nazis present him as if he was a communist, but in fact in his writings he pleaded the case for a European Union as the only possible protection against Soviet takeover. He was an anti-Communist.  His ideas were very socially progressive but fundamentally conservative, and his closest political ties were to Austrian archconservative parties.

He was moderately well-known in European intellectual circles by the early 1930s. Obviously, Hitler absolutely despised him, once calling Kalergi a "nasty mongrel" and "agent of International Jewry and Freemasonry".

Anyways, Kalergi escaped Europe during WWII, and later returned after the war was over, and was certainly influential in some of the early stages of the creation of what would become the European Union. He died in 1972.

And he was practically forgotten; until 2005, when an Austrian Neo-Nazi named Gerd Honsik, on the run from the law in Spain, published a book called "The Kalergi Plan", in which he combined actual quotes from Kalergi's own books about pan-europeanism with material written by the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s and with parts taken right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to formulate the claim that Kalergi was the mastermind of an organized conspiracy with a big mix of political and intellectual leaders to institute a long-term project to exterminate the "white race" by a mix of socialism and mass-immigration to produce a servile society that would be ruled in authoritarian fashion by a "Judeo-Masonic Elite".

It was total bullshit of course, there was no such plan, but it touched on all kinds of narratives of modern Neo-Nazism and made the perfect storm for a less besmirched replacement for the Protocols.  Pretty much everyone knows that the Protocols are bullshit now, but you could still try to fools some people with legitimate concerns about things like immigration or socialism into thinking the Kalergi Plan was real.





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« Reply #2362 on: September 01, 2021, 11:29:39 AM »
And he was practically forgotten; until 2005, when an Austrian Neo-Nazi named Gerd Honsik, on the run from the law in Spain, published a book called "The Kalergi Plan", in which he combined actual quotes from Kalergi's own books about pan-europeanism with material written by the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s and with parts taken right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to formulate the claim that Kalergi was the mastermind of an organized conspiracy with a big mix of political and intellectual leaders to institute a long-term project to exterminate the "white race" by a mix of socialism and mass-immigration to produce a servile society that would be ruled in authoritarian fashion by a "Judeo-Masonic Elite".

It was total bullshit of course, there was no such plan, but it touched on all kinds of narratives of modern Neo-Nazism and made the perfect storm for a less besmirched replacement for the Protocols.  Pretty much everyone knows that the Protocols are bullshit now, but you could still try to fools some people with legitimate concerns about things like immigration or socialism into thinking the Kalergi Plan was real.
Thanks for the summary. This is why I know so little about the Protocols or modern neo-Nazism -- it's just this contorted awful mess that's painful to untangle.

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« Reply #2363 on: September 01, 2021, 11:44:48 AM »

Glad there's more of us around here. Agenda 2030 is nothing but the process towards international socialism. The UN was founded by socialists (Churchill and Roosevelt were closeted socialists and I can offer some evidence) and the Kalergi Plan is nothing other than the elimination of ethnic and national identity through "diversity". This has been the explicit goal of Freemasonry, and I can prove it.



I'm as anti-globalist as it gets. But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.

And with that, you're gone from this site.
IIRC, the Protocols were a whole-cloth invention by the Tsarist Okhrana (the secret police of the old Russian Empire, pre-USSR).

But hey, to-may-to, to-mah-to, it's still a fraud and you're still right :)


Nope, not "whole cloth" at all. In fact it was a very sloppy cut-and-paste of the hoax writings of Leo Taxil  and some other authors.  Taxil, who was initially famous as an anti-Catholic writer, claimed in the 1880s to have had a miraculous conversion. He claimed to have found his way to the church, and was so famous as an Anti-Catholic that (after careful examination of his claims) he was carted out by the Church of the example of the triumph of Catholicism over atheism. He even got an audience with the pope.
And then, he started to write a series of books "exposing" Freemasonry. These Anti-Masonic books were racy accounts of overt and terrible satanic rituals allegedly informed to him by people who were insiders, and they sold like wildfire throughout Catholic Europe.

In sequels, he covered the 'higher degrees' of Masonry, and when he ran out of degrees, he just invented new ones from thin air; every book being more outrageous than the last, until he came up with the Palladist Order, the highest and most secret degrees, which met in secret congresses with the Devil present in physical form there instructing them on how to destroy the Church and take over the world.

He took some of the material he wrote from earlier anti-masonic texts, and threw in a couple of connections to Jews there too.

But eventually, after even many rational catholics thought his writings and the claims of his alleged witnesses to incredible to be true, he called for a huge conference in England where he would provide proof in the form of his witness. Instead, with all the European Press there present, he admitted the whole thing was a huge hoax, to prove the stupidity of the Church and the virulence of their ridiculous anti-masonic fervor. Taxil, by the way, was never a mason.

Anyways, the Protocols are a textual cut-and-paste job of a combination of sources: Taxil's anti-masonic 'Palladist' accounts, the writings of another French satirist named Joly, the text of a couple of earlier anti-Masonic writers who Taxil also plagiarized, and the writings of a Prussian Anti-Semite.

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« Reply #2364 on: September 01, 2021, 11:53:17 AM »

Glad there's more of us around here. Agenda 2030 is nothing but the process towards international socialism. The UN was founded by socialists (Churchill and Roosevelt were closeted socialists and I can offer some evidence) and the Kalergi Plan is nothing other than the elimination of ethnic and national identity through "diversity". This has been the explicit goal of Freemasonry, and I can prove it.



I'm as anti-globalist as it gets. But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.

And with that, you're gone from this site.
IIRC, the Protocols were a whole-cloth invention by the Tsarist Okhrana (the secret police of the old Russian Empire, pre-USSR).

But hey, to-may-to, to-mah-to, it's still a fraud and you're still right :)


Nope, not "whole cloth" at all. In fact it was a very sloppy cut-and-paste of the hoax writings of Leo Taxil  and some other authors.  Taxil, who was initially famous as an anti-Catholic writer, claimed in the 1880s to have had a miraculous conversion. He claimed to have found his way to the church, and was so famous as an Anti-Catholic that (after careful examination of his claims) he was carted out by the Church of the example of the triumph of Catholicism over atheism. He even got an audience with the pope.
And then, he started to write a series of books "exposing" Freemasonry. These Anti-Masonic books were racy accounts of overt and terrible satanic rituals allegedly informed to him by people who were insiders, and they sold like wildfire throughout Catholic Europe.

In sequels, he covered the 'higher degrees' of Masonry, and when he ran out of degrees, he just invented new ones from thin air; every book being more outrageous than the last, until he came up with the Palladist Order, the highest and most secret degrees, which met in secret congresses with the Devil present in physical form there instructing them on how to destroy the Church and take over the world.

He took some of the material he wrote from earlier anti-masonic texts, and threw in a couple of connections to Jews there too.

But eventually, after even many rational catholics thought his writings and the claims of his alleged witnesses to incredible to be true, he called for a huge conference in England where he would provide proof in the form of his witness. Instead, with all the European Press there present, he admitted the whole thing was a huge hoax, to prove the stupidity of the Church and the virulence of their ridiculous anti-masonic fervor. Taxil, by the way, was never a mason.

Anyways, the Protocols are a textual cut-and-paste job of a combination of sources: Taxil's anti-masonic 'Palladist' accounts, the writings of another French satirist named Joly, the text of a couple of earlier anti-Masonic writers who Taxil also plagiarized, and the writings of a Prussian Anti-Semite.
Interesting. So Taxil basically tried to make his bones on taking advantage of Catholicisim by using Masonry as a club. What an asshole.

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« Reply #2365 on: September 01, 2021, 01:13:06 PM »
It was total bullshit of course, there was no such plan, but it touched on all kinds of narratives of modern Neo-Nazism and made the perfect storm for a less besmirched replacement for the Protocols.  Pretty much everyone knows that the Protocols are bullshit now, but you could still try to fools some people with legitimate concerns about things like immigration or socialism into thinking the Kalergi Plan was real.

Pundit - I had been composing a new thread on the trend towards world government, but that was before SonTodoGato was banned. Would the topic be of interest to you - including debunking of stuff like the Kalergi Plan?

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« Reply #2366 on: September 01, 2021, 01:22:22 PM »
that was before SonTodoGato was banned.

Good riddance.
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« Reply #2367 on: September 01, 2021, 01:23:05 PM »
But the Kalergi Plan is a 100% fraud, a myth invented 15  years ago by a neo-nazi, which promotes anti-semitic conspiracy theories. It's basically just a rewriting of the equally fraudulent Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which originally started out as an anti-Masonic fraud before being re-written as an anti-Jewish fraud.
Don't want to drag it further off topic, but you seem to have some knowledge on the subject. Do know of an easily digestible summary? It's something I know nothing about, and while I'd normally do some research on my own, it's the type of topic where simple searches tend to return a lot of absolute garbage, and where delving into primary sources tends to be excruciating. So a pointer in the right direction would be appreciated.

There was a real dude, Ricard Kalergi, who was an early-20th Century promoter of the Pan-european movement (essentially, the movement to create a European Union). He was extremely liberal for his age. He was the son of an Austro-Hungarian Count and a Japanese heiress, which obviously made him quite unusual. He was not Jewish (as many of the Neo-Nazis who push the "Kalergi Plan" conspiracy theory sometimes claim), though he did marry a Jewish actress.
He was a Freemason, but only from 1922 to 1926.

He was deeply horrified by WWI, and inspired by Wilson's ideas of the League of Nations. He wrote several books in the 1920s where he promoted the idea of Pan-Europeanism. He came up with the idea that Beethoven's Ode to Joy should be the "national anthem of Europe", which is really likely his most lasting influence on the modern world.

Though the Neo-Nazis present him as if he was a communist, but in fact in his writings he pleaded the case for a European Union as the only possible protection against Soviet takeover. He was an anti-Communist.  His ideas were very socially progressive but fundamentally conservative, and his closest political ties were to Austrian archconservative parties.

He was moderately well-known in European intellectual circles by the early 1930s. Obviously, Hitler absolutely despised him, once calling Kalergi a "nasty mongrel" and "agent of International Jewry and Freemasonry".

Anyways, Kalergi escaped Europe during WWII, and later returned after the war was over, and was certainly influential in some of the early stages of the creation of what would become the European Union. He died in 1972.

And he was practically forgotten; until 2005, when an Austrian Neo-Nazi named Gerd Honsik, on the run from the law in Spain, published a book called "The Kalergi Plan", in which he combined actual quotes from Kalergi's own books about pan-europeanism with material written by the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s and with parts taken right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to formulate the claim that Kalergi was the mastermind of an organized conspiracy with a big mix of political and intellectual leaders to institute a long-term project to exterminate the "white race" by a mix of socialism and mass-immigration to produce a servile society that would be ruled in authoritarian fashion by a "Judeo-Masonic Elite".

It was total bullshit of course, there was no such plan, but it touched on all kinds of narratives of modern Neo-Nazism and made the perfect storm for a less besmirched replacement for the Protocols.  Pretty much everyone knows that the Protocols are bullshit now, but you could still try to fools some people with legitimate concerns about things like immigration or socialism into thinking the Kalergi Plan was real.

Thank you for posting this. I knew I had heard this stuff before in some well known antiemetic circles and I knew there was some link to the Elders of Zion but I couldn't recall what that was. Which is why I asked him and he suddenly became very evasive.

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« Reply #2368 on: September 01, 2021, 07:33:44 PM »
It was total bullshit of course, there was no such plan, but it touched on all kinds of narratives of modern Neo-Nazism and made the perfect storm for a less besmirched replacement for the Protocols.  Pretty much everyone knows that the Protocols are bullshit now, but you could still try to fools some people with legitimate concerns about things like immigration or socialism into thinking the Kalergi Plan was real.

Pundit - I had been composing a new thread on the trend towards world government, but that was before SonTodoGato was banned. Would the topic be of interest to you - including debunking of stuff like the Kalergi Plan?

Sure! Always an area of interest to me.
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