Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[moonsweeper]

Wishing everyone lots of health in the coming days. Follow science, not stupid. I yield.

I have a functioning immune system that hasn't been compromised by the vaccines. I don't need well wishes, thanks.

Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.

Did she in fact tell you that or was she just listed as unvaccinated?
What were the co-morbidities (already have heart issues, etc.) or was it strictly the Covid?
Was it the flashy new 'delta' variant which seems to be more contagious, but hasn't really affected the weekly death numbers much?
You guys aren't still testing using the PCR test the FDA pulled because it couldn't tell the difference between Coof and Flu are you?

Inquiring minds want to know!

[Ghostmaker]

I'm not a doctor, but I do sneak into my local hospital to perform amateur heart transplants. While there, I witnessed a Republican dying of Covid. She begged the doctor to give her the vaccine, but the doctor said it was too late. She died surrounded by her grief striken family. And when she drew her last breath, everyone in congress stood up and said "If only she'd gotten vaccinated, she would still be alive." and then everyone clapped. And then the baby looked at me.

And that baby's name was Albert Einstein, right?

[Kiero]

Funny, I ran a code tonight on a 51y/o woman that felt the same way. She didn't need any well wishes when it was over, but her family sure did.

Funny, I've had coronavirus; didn't even need bedrest, never mind medical attention.

51 isn't exactly young, and how fit was she? The fact that you even saw her suggests she may have had underlying co-morbidities, since most healthy people who are infected shrug it off.

[Jaeger]

...
The day before that, NPR ran a piece where they interviewed a Harvard professor on how to overcome vaccine "reluctance", and it was purely about blatant emotional manipulation. He was literally saying all of public health's effort should be spent on endless weepy stories about people who end up dying of covid, but at the last moment they regret not taking a vaccine, only to be told it's too late (they need to work to keep the gloating out of their voices). He wanted the same narrative everywhere, at all levels, because it affects people more strongly when there's a personal link. It should be spammed endlessly by every local hospital, in every community, and, presumably, in every online forum....

Stop it with the Right-Wing conspiracy theories already!

We need to believe the Science!

Why can't you just believe what you are being told by everyone?

[Ghostmaker]

Stop stealing my shit, Jaeger!

Jokes aside, yeah, I find that rather interesting. There's arguments that it's actually an attempt to dilute a pro-vaccine message.

Uh huh. Sure.

[Shrieking Banshee]

The Science (TM) of psychology is pretty well known. The people that don't trust the vaccine will not trust it if you keep yelling at them or mandating it by law. More will take the vaccine if you actually let them be. If you don't trust their own bodily autonomy, then this turns into a war.

Thats why I always dislike jabs at anti-vaxers (despite being a vaxer myself). Do you want to make more people vaccinated or do you want to feel smug and angry at others?

[Kiero]

The Science (TM) of psychology is pretty well known. The people that don't trust the vaccine will not trust it if you keep yelling at them or mandating it by law. More will take the vaccine if you actually let them be. If you don't trust their own bodily autonomy, then this turns into a war.

Thats why I always dislike jabs at anti-vaxers (despite being a vaxer myself). Do you want to make more people vaccinated or do you want to feel smug and angry at others?

I'm not an "anti-vaxer" just because I have no interest in this experimental therapeutic treatment that provides no immunity to coronavirus.

I have received many vaccinations in the past.

[Pat]

Anti-vaxxer is the new fascist. It has no meaning except as a way to label someone who is no longer considered part of the group. It's Donald Sutherland, pointing and wailing "anti-vaxxxeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"

[Shasarak]

Did she in fact tell you that or was she just listed as unvaccinated?

It is easy to tell because she did not have the mark.

[Kiero]

Anti-vaxxer is the new fascist. It has no meaning except as a way to label someone who is no longer considered part of the group. It's Donald Sutherland, pointing and wailing "anti-vaxxxeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!"

Pretty much. No real arguments to offer, just the standard slur and dismiss.

[Shrieking Banshee]

So turns out my dad got sick with the covid (he kept it secret until he got better). He was vaccinated with the phizer.

In theory it made recovery better, but it still sucked. His blood pressure has spiked and he will need pills for that for the next few months.

So I cannot personally vouch for the efficacy of the vaccine if its mostly ineffective.

[Pat]

Interesting article:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/misinformation-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-polling-demographics-polarization-partisanship-11627914431

Biden recently said that Facebook was killing people, by not censoring "misinformation" about the vaccines. In other words, he's saying that people are sheep and will do exactly what they're told, so to control people all we need to do is control the information they receive.

Evidence suggests that's complete bullshit. The percentage of people who haven't taken the vaccine almost perfectly matches the percentage of people who told pollsters, before the vaccines were even in the public eye, that they wouldn't or were very unlikely to take a vaccine. This remains true across different demographic groups -- for instance, Biden voters and women were always more inclined to take vaccines, African and Hispanic Americans less so. These numbers have been consistent across multiple polls over the past year. In other words, people made up their minds about whether or not they'd take a vaccine very early in the process, and no information since has changed their opinion. Talking to people about benefits or side effects only influences a vanishingly tiny segment of the public. Misinformation, from either side, doesn't matter.

[consolcwby]

I heard on Twittar that even READING A POST from an unvaxxed-trumper could give you COVID!
Then again, I also heard on Twittar that OSR is dying.
I want a shot against going to twittar. 
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VAX ME BABY! VAX ME GOOD!!!   

[Trond]

OK let's say for a moment that we agree with the lockdowns, what I want to know is; how deadly does a disease have to be for us to lock down society? Why aren't we discussing this? If the next flu is really bad do we lock down? Probably not, but where is the line drawn?

[Ghostmaker]

OK let's say for a moment that we agree with the lockdowns, what I want to know is; how deadly does a disease have to be for us to lock down society? Why aren't we discussing this? If the next flu is really bad do we lock down? Probably not, but where is the line drawn?

Well, ebola wasn't enough if we're to judge from some of Dr. Fauci's remarks in 2014.