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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341851 times)

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« Reply #2025 on: July 31, 2021, 02:53:47 PM »
Sharing this important statistical analysis that was made by a statistician acquaintance of Bret Weinstein. Looks at Israeli data and claims to show that the vaccines have no protective effect for people who have been infected with Covid -- In other words, vaccines might reduce odds of getting infected, but don't provide further protection.

I think this is very important information to take seriously, since many people suggest that vaccines are protective even once infection has occurred. From this analysis it seems that is yet another Noble Lie™ that medical experts may be telling us.

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« Reply #2026 on: July 31, 2021, 04:48:44 PM »
Sharing this important statistical analysis that was made by a statistician acquaintance of Bret Weinstein. Looks at Israeli data and claims to show that the vaccines have no protective effect for people who have been infected with Covid -- In other words, vaccines might reduce odds of getting infected, but don't provide further protection.

I think this is very important information to take seriously, since many people suggest that vaccines are protective even once infection has occurred. From this analysis it seems that is yet another Noble Lie™ that medical experts may be telling us.
I wrote about year ago here that there would never be a vaccine against corona virus and that Wuhan flu would be endemic like influenza or common cold.
I still stand by that observation.  They are going to have to use therapeutic medicines which they have been resisting and banning  for well over a year.





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« Reply #2027 on: July 31, 2021, 07:41:36 PM »
Yes, so unimportant it shut down the whole world. And alongside your bold claim of the common cold being the real threat in this pandemic, I’m convinced you aren’t from this planet.

Are you really so dim you can only see what's in front of your face? Governments chose to "shut down the world", they didn't have to. In real pandemics the bodies pile up in the streets all by themselves and the government does everything they can to keep people calm. They don't repeatedly stoke fears and hype up something that's harmless to the overwhelming majority.

And again, had the fucking virus, it's a nothing burger. Have you been infected? Or have you been cowering at home this whole time, allowing liars to convince you there was a mortal threat?
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« Reply #2028 on: July 31, 2021, 08:36:23 PM »
I gotta say, while I can understand frustration, I don't think getting confrontational with people really helps anything. In fact, it hurts. I know we all look up to Joseph Biden for moral guidance, intellectual clarity and eloquence, but his statements calling half of the country "Morons" didn't exactly change any minds.

Every normal person wants to keep people safe and save lives. A lot of good natured people are going along with vaccination and masking because they think these are the only approaches that will work. This is a lie created by the media and The Powers That Be through a policy of censorship that has denied people the right to hear mainstream scientific perspectives that contravene the narrative of the Pharma-Govt alliance.

The Great Barrington Declaration outlines a different approach, the approach that used to be the the consensus approach. Here's Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University discussing 12 guidelines for public health that are being violated by public health officials.
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#1 Public health is about all health outcomes, not just a single disease like #COVID19. It is important to also consider harms from public health measures. #totalharms

#2 Public health is about the long term rather than the short term. Spring #COVID19 #lockdowns simply delayed and postponed the pandemic to the fall.

#3 Public health is about everyone. It should not be used to shift the burden of disease from the affluent to the less affluent, as the #COVID19 #lockdowns have done.

#4 Pubic health is global. Public health scientists need to consider the global impact of their recommendations.

#5 Risks and harms cannot be completely eliminated, but they can be reduced. Elimination and zero-COVID strategies backfire, making things worse.

#6 Public health should focus on high-risk populations. For #COVID19, many standard public health measures were never used to protect high-risk older people, leading to unnecessary deaths.

#7 While contact tracing and isolation is critically important for some infectious diseases, it is futile and counterproductive for common infections such as influenza and #COVID19.

#8 A case is only a case if a person is sick. Mass testing asymptomatic individuals is harmful to public health.

#9 Public health is about trust. To gain the trust of the public, public health officials and the media must be honest and trust the public. Shaming and fear should never be used in a pandemic.

#10 Public health scientists and officials must be honest with what is not known. For example, epidemic models should be run with the whole range of plausible input parameters.

#11 In public health, open civilized debate is profoundly critical. Censoring, silencing and smearing leads to fear of speaking, herd thinking and distrust

#12 It is important for public health scientists and officials to listen to the public, who are living the public health consequences. This pandemic has proved that many non-epidemiologists understand public health better than some epidemiologists

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« Reply #2029 on: July 31, 2021, 08:38:57 PM »
This is normal: https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1421395081647505409

The mayor of our capital city encouraging people to turn up and get jabbed. No appointment or ID required. Why are they in such a desperate hurry?

"Vaccine festival" in London and at a circus in Yorkshire: https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1421547960110886915

Totally normal. :o
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« Reply #2030 on: July 31, 2021, 08:48:48 PM »
Yes, so unimportant it shut down the whole world. And alongside your bold claim of the common cold being the real threat in this pandemic, I’m convinced you aren’t from this planet.

Are you really so dim you can only see what's in front of your face? Governments chose to "shut down the world", they didn't have to. In real pandemics the bodies pile up in the streets all by themselves and the government does everything they can to keep people calm. They don't repeatedly stoke fears and hype up something that's harmless to the overwhelming majority.

And again, had the fucking virus, it's a nothing burger. Have you been infected? Or have you been cowering at home this whole time, allowing liars to convince you there was a mortal threat?

The flu, plague only killed as many people because they were new deseases that swooped through a civilization without the resources or means to rapidly fight back the infections. You can’t compare medieval age medicine to todays medicine. ‘Hygiene’ wasn’t even a thing back then. World population back then, 2B. Today, 8Billion.

Now, I’m not cowering home. I’ve been a home person my whole life. The pandemic virtually changed nothing about my everyday routine, with the exception of masking up. If masks are required to shop for groceries, what am I to do? Be stubborn and starve, or wear a mask (which totally makes sense) to comply with mandates? Wearing a mask has absolutely no negative impact on my quality of life. It may not fully protected me, but it minimizes my chances of contracting and possibly spreading Covid.

If you don’t want to either vaccinate or wear a mask because you feel you know better than science, I mean SCIENCE, not Fauci, it’s on you. I see people driving alone with their masks on and feel that’s completely pointless and unnecessary. However, when you’re around other people I’ll absolutely say I feel safer if everyone is wearing a mask. I don’t see where politics fit in pandemic protocol. It’s silly and only distracting to the real issue, which is Covid.
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« Reply #2031 on: July 31, 2021, 08:55:42 PM »
If you don’t want to either vaccinate or wear a mask because you feel you know better than science

I am vaccinated and wear a mask when requested but:

Science (TM) isn't magic nor is it a person, nor is it one consensus or opinion. There have been many differing opinions and perspectives on the Science (TM). An appeal to Science (TM) is a very faulty view of how Science (TM) works.

Even Scientists, holy speakers of the word of the Science (TM) have baises, make mistakes and can be swayed by the public opinion of common bodies and media and personal pressure.

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« Reply #2032 on: July 31, 2021, 09:03:52 PM »
The pandemic virtually changed nothing about my everyday routine, with the exception of masking up. If masks are required to shop for groceries, what am I to do? Be stubborn and starve, or wear a mask (which totally makes sense) to comply with mandates? Wearing a mask has absolutely no negative impact on my quality of life. It may not fully protected me, but it minimizes my chances of contracting and possibly spreading Covid.

If you don’t want to either vaccinate or wear a mask because you feel you know better than science, I mean SCIENCE, not Fauci, it’s on you. I see people driving alone with their masks on and feel that’s completely pointless and unnecessary. However, when you’re around other people I’ll absolutely say I feel safer if everyone is wearing a mask. I don’t see where politics fit in pandemic protocol. It’s silly and only distracting to the real issue, which is Covid.
Have you read any of the numerous links that have been provided on masks? Even one? Because the evidence is overwhelming that they have no effect. The science hasn't changed. The evidence suggested that masks didn't work before the pandemic even started, so the first recommendations to wear a mask went against the scientific evidence. You could possibly justify them, because people didn't know a lot about covid early on, but within a month or two the evidence was very strong that covid-19 was spread via aerosolization, which makes masks pointless. We now have studies that are high up the tiers of evidence-based medicine, and worldwide examples of countries that masked up and didn't mask up, and the evidence that masks don't work has only gotten stronger and stronger.

If you support wearing masks, then you are politicizing public health.

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« Reply #2033 on: July 31, 2021, 09:26:00 PM »
If you support wearing masks, then you are politicizing public health.

It’s easier to draw rushed conclusions and point fingers than facing the facts.
I think it’s smart to wear masks, wearing a mask by yourself doesn’t do anything.
Wearing a mask in a public place makes a difference, period.

You basically saying if I don’t say what you want to hear, then I must be fitted into a category. Isn’t that the same narrative being driven by the woke/cancel culture? Meanwhile you present no credible data or facts alongside your disagreement.
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« Reply #2034 on: July 31, 2021, 10:03:16 PM »
If you support wearing masks, then you are politicizing public health.

It’s easier to draw rushed conclusions and point fingers than facing the facts.
I think it’s smart to wear masks, wearing a mask by yourself doesn’t do anything.
Wearing a mask in a public place makes a difference, period.

You basically saying if I don’t say what you want to hear, then I must be fitted into a category. Isn’t that the same narrative being driven by the woke/cancel culture? Meanwhile you present no credible data or facts alongside your disagreement.

I agree,  if by "mask" you mean a properly-fitted, properly-worn, N-95 mask. Otherwise, surgical masks, cotton masks, etc. provide little to no protection from viruses, due to bypass flow and the inability of anything other than specialized materials to filter out virus-size (< 1 micron) particles. That's why, before covid, they were not recommended for the public to wear to prevent the spread of influenza.

I will grant you that a mask will contain the snot and/or spit from a sneeze or cough. Or if someone is close enough to sneeze or cough on you, it will protect you from their snot and/or spit. In fact, the former is exactly the purpose of a surgical mask.




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« Reply #2035 on: July 31, 2021, 11:48:57 PM »
Wearing a mask in a public place makes a difference, period.
No, they don't.  Period.  And the evidence to support that statement has been posted in this very thread.  The fact that you want to believe they do doesn't have any bearing on the actual reality.

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« Reply #2036 on: August 01, 2021, 12:05:19 AM »
You basically saying if I don’t say what you want to hear, then I must be fitted into a category. Isn’t that the same narrative being driven by the woke/cancel culture? Meanwhile you present no credible data or facts alongside your disagreement.
I have posted dozens of links to studies and analyses of masks, in this thread. I have posted extensive rationales for why masks don't work, in this very thread. Zelen posted a very good link, within the last page.

Your refusal to read the plain evidence presented to you doesn't mean there's no evidence. It just means you're choosing to accept a political narrative, and refuse to look at anything that might contradict your pre-existing beliefs.

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« Reply #2037 on: August 01, 2021, 12:26:11 AM »
The flu, plague only killed as many people because they were new deseases that swooped through a civilization without the resources or means to rapidly fight back the infections. You can’t compare medieval age medicine to todays medicine. ‘Hygiene’ wasn’t even a thing back then. World population back then, 2B. Today, 8Billion.

Now, I’m not cowering home. I’ve been a home person my whole life. The pandemic virtually changed nothing about my everyday routine, with the exception of masking up. If masks are required to shop for groceries, what am I to do? Be stubborn and starve, or wear a mask (which totally makes sense) to comply with mandates? Wearing a mask has absolutely no negative impact on my quality of life. It may not fully protected me, but it minimizes my chances of contracting and possibly spreading Covid.

If you don’t want to either vaccinate or wear a mask because you feel you know better than science, I mean SCIENCE, not Fauci, it’s on you. I see people driving alone with their masks on and feel that’s completely pointless and unnecessary. However, when you’re around other people I’ll absolutely say I feel safer if everyone is wearing a mask. I don’t see where politics fit in pandemic protocol. It’s silly and only distracting to the real issue, which is Covid.

You are 100% repeating the narrative. Science is an infallible, incorruptible, non-partisan institution that is the absolute owner of truth. We should all live our lives based on the mandates and findings of settled science. Until it changes, of course.

The flu kills people by the hundred thousands a year. Not a single person gave a fuck, vaccines are still optional and mostly for the elderly. With covid everybody has to get the shot ASAP no matter their age. Maybe this isn't about saving lives, it's about getting the whole population vaccinated.

Catching covid outdoors is literally less than 0.1% likely, according to the Holy Science, btw. And masks won't help you indoors since the air literally escapes through the sides and the virus can enter through your eyes as well. You need to be wearing a mask, goggles and a screen just in case. The best thing to do is stay at home if you have symptoms, wash your hands, cough and sneeze on your elbow and go to the doctor if you're not feeling well, just like we did with all pandemics before this political madness

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« Reply #2038 on: August 01, 2021, 12:55:30 AM »
It's depressing to me to see how quickly some businesses here are starting to post 'masks required' signs again. Ignored one just last night :/

What's interesting this time, is by doing that, they're violating state law. I hope the state and the governor here actually have the courage to follow through on enforcing the laws they passed forbidding vaccine or mask mandates, because I'm looking forward to seeing a few of these fascists prosecuted for pulling their little tin-pot dictator routines :)
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« Reply #2039 on: August 01, 2021, 01:08:14 AM »
Maybe this isn't about saving lives, it's about getting the whole population vaccinated.


I'm starting to think it's not about whether getting the vaccines are a good idea, it's about forcing everyone to agree that getting the vaccines is a good idea.
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