Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[FelixGamingX1]

I hope to God you're being sarcastic.

Look at the bigger picture. Eviction protection ends soon, the jobs that are available aren't good paying jobs, for the most part. Would you go back to Walmart? That pizza shop? You can't just completely withdraw funds overnight, it will create a surge in homelessness and crime. I sure as heck don't want my relaxed small neighborhood turning into a post apocalyptic LA setting. Even if we aren't impacted by the pandemic, some people were. Like I said, I'm a taxpayer and I'm ok with it. Doesn't mean I approve it, but I'm 'okay' with it.

[moonsweeper]

CDC is really panicking now that it's coming out that vaccinated people are readily catching and spreading the virus. They already manipulate the data by refusing to track positive PCR tests ("cases") among vaccinated people unless the person is hospitalized specifically for it. Uneven data collection procedure for stabbed & non-stabbed people is vastly understating the stabbed cohort, and overstating the non-stabbed cohort.

(Absent from all the panic is the reality that deaths are super low and naturally acquired immunity is real, effective, and already prevalent).

Besides the 'alternate' testing methods between people with the jab vs those without, there is also some evidence that the viral load in both groups is very similar for the delta variant.

The fact that they aren't getting the death rate spike from 'Delta' is why they are desperately trying anything they can to hide numbers.
Imagine if everybody actually found out that the experimental medical treatment does nothing for new variants...

[Kiero]

Imagine if everybody actually found out that the experimental medical treatment does nothing for new variants...

It's worse than that, vaccination is causing the evolution of new variants. You can't win an arms race against this virus by trying to out-vaccinate it. Not when we don't even have effective vaccines.

[Eirikrautha]

So, I'll just drop this right here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9844761/CDC-FINALLY-releases-data-showing-vaccinated-people-viral-levels-Delta-variant.html

Points of interest:

• 469 cases of COVID-19 linked to an outbreak in Provincetown, Massachusetts between July 3  and July 17
• Of the infections, 74% occurred in fully vaccinated people who had one of the three FDA-emergency approved vaccines and 80% had symptoms
• By July 26, 469 cases had been identified, of which 74 percent - or 346 - were among fully vaccinated with at least 14 days since their final dose.
• Fully vaccinated patients has a Ct value of 22.77 while the unvaccinated group had a Ct value of 21.54. (Ct is the # of cycles to detect virus... lower than 30 is high load)

Looks like the delta variant is putting the lie to the simple mantra that more vaccinations means less virus...

[SonTodoGato]

I add my two cents just in case:

Covid is a real disease made in Chinese labs with American funding to trigger the Great Reset of capitalism and further the globalist Agenda 2030. Event 201, gain-of-function research (on coronaviruses from bats!) and the fact that this is the first time in history in which we "totally need" to stop the world for a disease (the death rate of which has been inflated by counting deaths with covid as deaths by covid, amounting to a 2% average) suggest that this too coincidental. It's textbook fear, manipulation and totalitarianism.

The goals of the Great Reset and its globalist advocates (British Royal Family, Rothschilds, Antipope Francis, Trudeau, Merkel, Democrats, Chinese Communist Party, the Kirchners, Rockefellers, World Economic Forum, John Kerry, Kissinger, Soros, Bill Gates, International Monetary Fund, the Bush, controlled-opposition Boris Johnson, and other ideologues who have spoken openly about the great reset, the new normal, the new world order, new social contract, green new deal, inclusive capitalism, etc.) are coincidentally the same ones pushed by the whole pandemic:

• Universal basic income (By having people depend on welfare because the government doesn't allow them to work)
• Transition to a digital economy (Cash is toxic because of covid!!!)
• Sustainable development (a.k.a "Eating the bugs")
• Mass surveillance (through vaccine passports and contact tracing apps)
• Scapegoating (using the unvaccinated and conspiracy theorists)
• Lowering population (By getting rid of the elderly and the sick)
• Strengthening globalism and eroding national sovereignty (Because global problems require global solutions, like global warming)
• Lowering population (Remember the Thanos movies? What a coincidence!)
• "Resetting capitalism" because of inequality/inclusivity/etc. (by literally halting economies)

You literally had people advocating for a "temporary" world government because of covid, like ex-PM Gordon Brown. This is the goal; the communist goal of a one-world, totalitarian, socialist technocratic government ruled by elites. This was the dream of people like Churchill, H.G. Wells, Truman, the founders of the European Union, Mandell House, Ben Gurion and many secret societies.

Call me crazy, delusional, conspiracy theoriest, paranoid or whatever media slur you want, but I have tons of evidence for this, and I an show it to whomever wants to read it. I don't trust governments or the media.

And btw; don't get the vaccine. Just in case.

[Kiero]

Cases certainly are going up faster than anticipated. You can not count on the honor system and believe people will be responsible, or honest with their vaccination status.
Now, is it fair with everyone else? I don't recall this happening during the flu pandemic.
What's the end game? Ignoring the virus won't make it go away.

Don't you get it? The "vaccines" don't work. Worse still, through antibody dependent enhancement, they are likely making infections more likely.

Ignoring it absolutely would have made it go away, just as seasonal bugs in every year before 2020 went away of their own accord.

[FelixGamingX1]

Cases certainly are going up faster than anticipated. You can not count on the honor system and believe people will be responsible, or honest with their vaccination status.
Now, is it fair with everyone else? I don't recall this happening during the flu pandemic.
What's the end game? Ignoring the virus won't make it go away.

Don't you get it? The "vaccines" don't work. Worse still, through antibody dependent enhancement, they are likely making infections more likely.

Ignoring it absolutely would have made it go away, just as seasonal bugs in every year before 2020 went away of their own accord.

Well, the point of the vaccine isn't it so you're free from Covid, but to build you up to fight the infection. Therefore vaccines do work. However, we are dealing with a man made ever evolving virus. Truth is, no one knows for sure what's going to unfold. Eventually one lucky 'expert' will get it right. We could very well be in the first step to extinction.

[Shasarak]

Pfizer's trial data from the stabs was released,

Holy fuck, stop giving people Placebos.  You are literally killing Grandma!

[Shasarak]

Hey guys, if you're going to try and astroturf, don't give all your bot accounts the same goddamn script.

That's funny! However, it still doesn't invalidate reality. Today I heard on the radio, vaccinated people can be just as transmissible as non-vaccinated. HOWEVER, you won't get as sick. I'll listen to the 'experts' and draw my own conclusion and opinion. But I can't ignore the facts, Covid is real and it's nasty. There's another surge on the way, it's obvious by now. Are lockdowns necessary? IMO, Yes. Should small business go bankrupt? No! The solution lies in real tax breaks and more stimulus. I certainly hope to see a 4th and 5th check, as a taxpayer I'm ok with it.

The level of economic ignorance in your post is staggering.

Its so bad even Pat can see it.

[Kiero]

Well, the point of the vaccine isn't it so you're free from Covid, but to build you up to fight the infection. Therefore vaccines do work. However, we are dealing with a man made ever evolving virus. Truth is, no one knows for sure what's going to unfold. Eventually one lucky 'expert' will get it right. We could very well be in the first step to extinction.

Are you deluded? You don't need a vaccine to do that, not with a virus as trivial as coronavirus. We have been dealing with them for millennia before now.

You can't be "free from" an endemic virus, that's a foolish ideal. Nor is any of this effort worth it for something as unimportant as coronavirus.

[FelixGamingX1]

You can't be "free from" an endemic virus, that's a foolish ideal. Nor is any of this effort worth it for something as unimportant as coronavirus.

Yes, so unimportant it shut down the whole world. And alongside your bold claim of the common cold being the real threat in this pandemic, I'm convinced you aren't from this planet.

[FelixGamingX1]

Hey guys, if you're going to try and astroturf, don't give all your bot accounts the same goddamn script.

That's funny! However, it still doesn't invalidate reality. Today I heard on the radio, vaccinated people can be just as transmissible as non-vaccinated. HOWEVER, you won't get as sick. I'll listen to the 'experts' and draw my own conclusion and opinion. But I can't ignore the facts, Covid is real and it's nasty. There's another surge on the way, it's obvious by now. Are lockdowns necessary? IMO, Yes. Should small business go bankrupt? No! The solution lies in real tax breaks and more stimulus. I certainly hope to see a 4th and 5th check, as a taxpayer I'm ok with it.

The level of economic ignorance in your post is staggering.

Its so bad even Pat can see it.

You guys missing the big picture. We getting a infrastructure bill for another few trillion soon. Money that will wildly be mismanaged. Another stimulus check here and there won't make a difference. At least it's being spent on you. It's gonna take at least 80 years in a perfect world to erase the pandemic's debit. And since we don't live in a perfect world... It's just a few more trillions added to an infinite debt. We already got inflation, what's another 50 cents on your cup of coffee?

Would you rather allow possibly hundreds of thousands of people be evicted with no income and be roaming the streets, or would you rather pay 50 more cents on your cup of coffee and keep a decent quality of life?

[moonsweeper]

You guys missing the big picture. We getting a infrastructure bill for another few trillion soon. Money that will wildly be mismanaged. Another stimulus check here and there won't make a difference. At least it's being spent on you. It's gonna take at least 80 years in a perfect world to erase the pandemic's debit. And since we don't live in a perfect world... It's just a few more trillions added to an infinite debt. We already got inflation, what's another 50 cents on your cup of coffee?

Would you rather allow possibly hundreds of thousands of people be evicted with no income and be roaming the streets, or would you rather pay 50 more cents on your cup of coffee and keep a decent quality of life?

The advantage of putting several hundred thousand people on the street is that it will probably motivate people to find a real solution fairly quickly.

[Ratman_tf]

Hey guys, if you're going to try and astroturf, don't give all your bot accounts the same goddamn script.

That's funny! However, it still doesn't invalidate reality. Today I heard on the radio, vaccinated people can be just as transmissible as non-vaccinated. HOWEVER, you won't get as sick. I'll listen to the 'experts' and draw my own conclusion and opinion. But I can't ignore the facts, Covid is real and it's nasty. There's another surge on the way, it's obvious by now. Are lockdowns necessary? IMO, Yes. Should small business go bankrupt? No! The solution lies in real tax breaks and more stimulus. I certainly hope to see a 4th and 5th check, as a taxpayer I'm ok with it.

The level of economic ignorance in your post is staggering.

Its so bad even Pat can see it.

You guys missing the big picture. We getting a infrastructure bill for another few trillion soon. Money that will wildly be mismanaged. Another stimulus check here and there won't make a difference. At least it's being spent on you. It's gonna take at least 80 years in a perfect world to erase the pandemic's debit. And since we don't live in a perfect world... It's just a few more trillions added to an infinite debt. We already got inflation, what's another 50 cents on your cup of coffee?

Would you rather allow possibly hundreds of thousands of people be evicted with no income and be roaming the streets, or would you rather pay 50 more cents on your cup of coffee and keep a decent quality of life?

I think you're missing the big picture. The United States has printed 40% of all the money it's ever printed, just in the past year.
https://techstartups.com/2021/05/22/40-us-dollars-existence-printed-last-12-months-america-repeating-mistake-1921-weimar-germany/
Massive, massive inflation is on the horizon, and the devaluation of the dollar means that extra 50 cents isn't going to buy you that cup of coffee.
We do not have an infinite debt. Eventually the bubble will burst, and it's going to be a disaster.

Now, on a personal level, I don't care. I can't influence US policy. They can print gozillions and my opinion won't affect that one iota. The only thing I can do, personally, is be prepared for the dollar to be massively devalued and for the government to lose control of the currency. Those hundereds of thousands of people are going to be evicted eventually, roaming the streets with no income, and stimulus money that's next to worthless in their pockets.

[SonTodoGato]

You can't be "free from" an endemic virus, that's a foolish ideal. Nor is any of this effort worth it for something as unimportant as coronavirus.

Yes, so unimportant it shut down the whole world. And alongside your bold claim of the common cold being the real threat in this pandemic, I'm convinced you aren't from this planet.

No, covid didn't "shut down the whole world". Governments did. Media-induced panic did. Fake news and lying with statistics did. The WHO did.

Compare states and countries with little or no quarantine vs. states and countries with strict quarantines and tell me if you see a significant difference in death rates. Take a look at the death rates per age and see if there's any reason to keep the whole world locked up.

This is exactly the agenda they're pushing; "we can't do X because of covid", "a tiny bug turned capitalism upside down". The result is the reset of capitalism.