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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341628 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1950 on: July 25, 2021, 01:24:53 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.
HappyDaze is qualified on that subject, and you probably are not.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1951 on: July 25, 2021, 02:01:26 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.

The common cold? Maybe you mean side effects related to it, like pneumonia which doesn’t develop overnight, even on the elderly. Now, the Flu is slightly different. And then There’s COVID. Don’t take my word for it though, I couldn’t possibly be as educated as YOU in the matter.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1952 on: July 25, 2021, 02:33:47 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.

The common cold? Maybe you mean side effects related to it, like pneumonia which doesn’t develop overnight, even on the elderly. Now, the Flu is slightly different. And then There’s COVID. Don’t take my word for it though, I couldn’t possibly be as educated as YOU in the matter.
Correct. The "common cold" is a term for a self-limited upper respiratory infection of viral origin. It is not a cause for hospitalization. That's not to say that hospitalization cannot happen when it ceased to be a "common cold" through an accompanying lower respiratory involvement (typically asthma exacerbation or pnemonia), but that's no longer the same diagnosis. Those hospitalizations will not list cold/common cold for cause; they will list asthma, pneumonia, or something else as the cause. In contrast, respiratory distress and/or failure d/t Covid-19 has been listed as a cause for hospitalization.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1953 on: July 25, 2021, 03:23:53 PM »
Information coming out of Israel and the UK is indicating that people who have utilized AstraZeneca & Pfizer are receiving protection that seems to decline after ~6 weeks. Lends a lot of context to the number of "breakthrough" cases we are seeing in vaccinated people lately. Also relevant to why countries have pre-ordered literally billions of doses of the pharma DLC, easily 10x as many doses as would be required to vaccinate their entire populations.

Meanwhile natural immunity continues to provide broad and enduring immunity. No wonder the pharmaceutical companies want to change the definitions to deny natural immunity's safety and efficacy.

Question now is, whether people are going to put up with governments demanding regular monthly/bimonthly/biyearly booster shots of medication. Especially given that for younger demographics (< ~25) there have been provably been more harmful effects from the vaccines than from Covid itself.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1954 on: July 25, 2021, 04:12:54 PM »
Funny, I haven't seen anyone require a hospital admission for a "common fucking cold* but I've seen plenty lately for Covid-19. Your dismissal of reality is foolish and harmful to others.

The common cold is a colloquialism for a whole host of respiratory viruses of varying severity. For people with weakened or compromised immune systems, they can require hospital admission.

Before 2020, no big deal was made out of it, because it was a simple fact of life. I'm not dismissing anything, I had covid in January. It was a bad cold. I've had worse flu.
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« Reply #1955 on: July 25, 2021, 04:48:12 PM »
Funny, I haven't seen anyone require a hospital admission for a "common fucking cold* but I've seen plenty lately for Covid-19. Your dismissal of reality is foolish and harmful to others.

The common cold is a colloquialism for a whole host of respiratory viruses of varying severity. For people with weakened or compromised immune systems, they can require hospital admission.

Before 2020, no big deal was made out of it, because it was a simple fact of life. I'm not dismissing anything, I had covid in January. It was a bad cold. I've had worse flu.
I've explained what the common cold is in my previous posts. It is not something that requires hospitalization, because it stops being the "common cold" when it is no longer a self-limited URI.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1956 on: July 25, 2021, 04:54:05 PM »
I do wish we could increase our vaccination rates here. Rather than the conspiracy theory nutters like Spinachcat being the major issue here, it's more often African Americans and Hispanics who are reluctant to get the vaccine. One from distrust of Government, the other from distrust of chemicals in general, mostly.

I'm brown, I'm not "reluctant" to get vaccinated (the term itself is more NLP bollocks, implying that if only you could find the right lever, people could be persuaded). I have no interest whatsoever in a therapeutic treatment for the common fucking cold.
Funny, I haven't seen anyone require a hospital admission for a "common fucking cold* ...

That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.
Oh, do shut up, you foolish child. You know nothing of value in this conversation. Go back to your elfgame-talk. A self-limited viral URI (aka, "common cold") is not going to get someone admitted.
Take your own advice, you brainless, ignorant shill.  Neither will a simple Covid19 infection.  In both cases, it is the body's reaction to the virus that causes the dangerous condition (swelling in the lungs, etc.), which is why both viruses are so worrisome in compromised people.  The Covid virus itself has never killed anyone, any more than the cold virus has; the cytokine storm caused by the body's immune system is what kills most Covid deaths.  If you had even a modicum of medical knowledge, you would understand this.  But you are so stupid that you can't even comprehend how little you understand.  Go back to your poorly-run storygames, you boot-licking, drooling moronic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1957 on: July 25, 2021, 04:59:35 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.
HappyDaze is qualified on that subject, and you probably are not.
Whatever his credentials, he's pretty obviously not qualified if his argument is that:  A common cold cannot kill you because the reaction of the body and secondary infections are what actually causes your death.  Covid can kill you because the reaction of the body and secondary infections are what actually caused your death, but it started with Covid and that's what is listed on the death certificate (which is a political distinction, not a medical one).  I don't care if he claims to have invented medicine; if his statements are wrong, they are wrong.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1958 on: July 25, 2021, 05:04:17 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.

The common cold? Maybe you mean side effects related to it, like pneumonia which doesn’t develop overnight, even on the elderly. Now, the Flu is slightly different. And then There’s COVID. Don’t take my word for it though, I couldn’t possibly be as educated as YOU in the matter.

It's the side effects of the Covid virus that kills people, just like the cold or flu.  The virus itself does not.  This is a medical fact.  It's not like ebola, which directly destroys cells and causes hemorrhaging.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1959 on: July 25, 2021, 05:04:55 PM »
Take your own advice, you brainless, ignorant shill.  Neither will a simple Covid19 infection.  In both cases, it is the body's reaction to the virus that causes the dangerous condition (swelling in the lungs, etc.), which is why both viruses are so worrisome in compromised people.  The Covid virus itself has never killed anyone, any more than the cold virus has; the cytokine storm caused by the body's immune system is what kills most Covid deaths.  If you had even a modicum of medical knowledge, you would understand this.  But you are so stupid that you can't even comprehend how little you understand.  Go back to your poorly-run storygames, you boot-licking, drooling moronic example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

And even then people dying "with" covid didn't actually die from it. The death figures are massively over-inflated. Here's just one example from a Birmingham hospital trust:

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1.  How many people have died in your hospitals from covid 19 and only due to covid 19? I have seen the figures you publish online, but these are deaths within 28 days of a positive
covid test, so they could have died from other causes. I just want to know the exact figures from 1st February 2020 to 3rd April 2021 for death due to covid 19 alone.

 
There have been 79 deaths with covid.
 
There have been 2 deaths from covid alone.
 
2.  The Number and Percentage of people with 'underlying health conditions' in the overall total.
 
79 and 97.53%
 
3.  The Number and Percentage of those without 'underlying health conditions'. 
 
2 and 2.47% respectively.

79 deaths "with" covid, but only 2 from it.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1960 on: July 25, 2021, 05:09:07 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.

The common cold? Maybe you mean side effects related to it, like pneumonia which doesn’t develop overnight, even on the elderly. Now, the Flu is slightly different. And then There’s COVID. Don’t take my word for it though, I couldn’t possibly be as educated as YOU in the matter.
Those hospitalizations will not list cold/common cold for cause; they will list asthma, pneumonia, or something else as the cause. In contrast, respiratory distress and/or failure d/t Covid-19 has been listed as a cause for hospitalization.
And "listing" is not biology.  It is a decision made by the hospital, not a consequence of the actual operation of the virus.  If I define murder as only happening to men, it doesn't prevent a woman from being stabbed to death.  The fact that you lean on what the hospital labels it, instead of the actual biological cause, just proves you are trying to be deceptive.  Otherwise, demonstrate you advanced knowledge by describing the process that Covid uses to kill a perfectly healthy person.  Guaranteed it will involve the same kind of body reaction or secondary infection as can happen with the flu or other similar viruses.

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« Reply #1961 on: July 25, 2021, 05:25:48 PM »
I like the spin that no one ever died from the 'Flu' before.

Seriously can not make this shit up.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1962 on: July 25, 2021, 05:35:01 PM »
That statement alone disqualifies your opinion on this issue.  People (especially the old and vulnerable... the same people threatened by Covid19) are hospitalized and die every day from the common cold.  You are so ignorant that it should hurt to be you.

The common cold? Maybe you mean side effects related to it, like pneumonia which doesn’t develop overnight, even on the elderly. Now, the Flu is slightly different. And then There’s COVID. Don’t take my word for it though, I couldn’t possibly be as educated as YOU in the matter.

It's the side effects of the Covid virus that kills people, just like the cold or flu.  The virus itself does not.  This is a medical fact.  It's not like ebola, which directly destroys cells and causes hemorrhaging.
Your special brand of stupid is truly sad. You have my pity.

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« Reply #1963 on: July 25, 2021, 05:35:36 PM »
I like the spin that no one ever died from the 'Flu' before.

Seriously can not make this shit up.
Who is saying that?

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« Reply #1964 on: July 25, 2021, 06:04:36 PM »
But muh lockdowns.







Those of you championing lockdowns, at the expense of children's mental health? Kill yourselves.