Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[dkabq]

Are you getting tired of seeing the Conspiracy Facts being proven correct time and time again byt the MSM?

Ah, yes. The good ol' ToryGraph, who is racking up the COVID-19 denial frequent flyer miles. Including an IPSO-forced take down and a number of lawsuits. "Just because they were infected by the coronavirus and died because their body didn't have enough oxygen, that doesn't mean they *actually* died of COVID. Just look at the comorbidities."

Also, as another point on a similar topic, when you've got all the beds in the local ICU filled by people on ventilators, the 87-year-old (who was my father) gets sent to a hospital twenty miles further on where they can actually investigate why he's been spitting up blood for the past twenty-four hours. And then he dies. My brother's church has had roughly three times the number of deaths in the past 12 months than in any other twelve month period in his twenty-plus years as their pastor. Sure, it's anecdotal, but it's part of a larger pattern that shows that people are dying who otherwise wouldn't because of the virus (not because of the lockdown like some of you idiots seem to think).

Sorry to hear of your father's passing.

Just to be clear, he died while en route to the twenty-miles further away hospital? And your claim is that he would have not died if he had been able to go to the closer hospital?

I have no doubt that deaths for 2020 were up for your brother's church. Church populations tend to skew older, and COVID has a higher mortality rate in older populations.

And the knock-on effects of lockdowns do kill people.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

[horsesoldier]

Are you getting tired of seeing the Conspiracy Facts being proven correct time and time again byt the MSM?

Ah, yes. The good ol' ToryGraph, who is racking up the COVID-19 denial frequent flyer miles. Including an IPSO-forced take down and a number of lawsuits. "Just because they were infected by the coronavirus and died because their body didn't have enough oxygen, that doesn't mean they *actually* died of COVID. Just look at the comorbidities."

Also, as another point on a similar topic, when you've got all the beds in the local ICU filled by people on ventilators, the 87-year-old (who was my father) gets sent to a hospital twenty miles further on where they can actually investigate why he's been spitting up blood for the past twenty-four hours. And then he dies. My brother's church has had roughly three times the number of deaths in the past 12 months than in any other twelve month period in his twenty-plus years as their pastor. Sure, it's anecdotal, but it's part of a larger pattern that shows that people are dying who otherwise wouldn't because of the virus (not because of the lockdown like some of you idiots seem to think).

Sorry to hear of your father's passing.

Just to be clear, he died while en route to the twenty-miles further away hospital? And your claim is that he would have not died if he had been able to go to the closer hospital?

I have no doubt that deaths for 2020 were up for your brother's church. Church populations tend to skew older, and COVID has a higher mortality rate in older populations.

And the knock-on effects of lockdowns do kill people.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

I believe the gentleman is implying deaths are up at the church because of poor care, as seems to be the case with his father. Miscarriages were up by 30% (or so, don't remember exactly) in the England. Hasn't been a whole lot of deep reflection as to why.

[This Guy]

Man I'm not listening to that whiny-voiced beanie with a small dick attached for twenty minutes, summarize or gtfo. Tl;dl

[Pat]

Man I'm not listening to that whiny-voiced beanie with a small dick attached for twenty minutes, summarize or gtfo. Tl;dl

Tim Pool's just the millennial equivalent of a weather bunny; he mostly just reads the news. Skip forward a few minutes, look at the article showing on the page, and search for the original.

Presto
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460389/Pentagon-scientists-invent-microchip-senses-COVID-19-body-symptoms.html

[This Guy]

Man I'm not listening to that whiny-voiced beanie with a small dick attached for twenty minutes, summarize or gtfo. Tl;dl

Tim Pool's just the millennial equivalent of a weather bunny; he mostly just reads the news. Skip forward a few minutes, look at the article showing on the page, and search for the original.

Presto
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9460389/Pentagon-scientists-invent-microchip-senses-COVID-19-body-symptoms.html

You mean they had the power to kill us all with Spanish Flu in the palm of their hand and they didn't gift us with that mercy. Way to bury the lede Daily Mail.
Also this microchip is not the thing the Bugle led me to believe it was. I want my time back.

[jhkim]

I have no doubt that deaths for 2020 were up for your brother's church. Church populations tend to skew older, and COVID has a higher mortality rate in older populations.

And the knock-on effects of lockdowns do kill people.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

The lockdowns are obviously a tradeoff. Given hundreds of thousands of people dying, it is an extreme measure. Still, the article uses selective views. It cites a *predicted* rise in suicide, and also an *unexpected* measured rise in vehicle accidents. But it fails to note that the predicted rise in suicides did not go as expected. In a typical economic recession, suicides will go up but accidents and other causes of deaths go down - for an overall lower rate of mortality. But this recession was not typical. I was surprised by the actual 2020 stats - given below.


Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

There's a minor decrease in cancer and suicide - along with flu and respiratory disease, but significant increases in heart disease and accidents especially. (Note that absolute numbers always go up because the population has been increasing.)

[Ratman_tf]

I would like to note the clots occurred in six people out of 6.8 million vaccinated.

You have a better chance of walking outside after getting vaccinated and being hit by a car.

We locked down for "two weeks" and gutted economies worldwide for a year and counting because we didn't have enough information about Covid.

Pausing the use of one out of four available vaccines that are experimental and rushed due to the pandemic, and the one in question caused unexpected side effects that lead to at least one death seems reasonable to me.

[Mistwell]

In what world is 1/3 "extremely rare?" You saying you know better than the studies on the topic because....reasons?

[citation needed]

Man you are seriously lazy. You had no citation for your "rare" claim but I have to do your homework for you? Fine, here, first link on Google, many more articles saying the same thing if you bother to look:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2021/02/20/nearly-one-third-of-covid-19-survivors-have-symptoms-some-up-to-9-months-later-new-study-finds/?sh=7a9711ed4eb2

[DocJones]

I'm thinking of filling this out, printing it, putting a yellow star on the reverse and pinning to my shirt star side up.

[Pat]

I have no doubt that deaths for 2020 were up for your brother's church. Church populations tend to skew older, and COVID has a higher mortality rate in older populations.

And the knock-on effects of lockdowns do kill people.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

The lockdowns are obviously a tradeoff. Given hundreds of thousands of people dying, it is an extreme measure. Still, the article uses selective views. It cites a *predicted* rise in suicide, and also an *unexpected* measured rise in vehicle accidents. But it fails to note that the predicted rise in suicides did not go as expected. In a typical economic recession, suicides will go up but accidents and other causes of deaths go down - for an overall lower rate of mortality. But this recession was not typical. I was surprised by the actual 2020 stats - given below.


Source: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

There's a minor decrease in cancer and suicide - along with flu and respiratory disease, but significant increases in heart disease and accidents especially. (Note that absolute numbers always go up because the population has been increasing.)

It's about what I would have expected, the main exceptions are suicide (I expected it to go up significantly, maybe all the rioting helped) and the flu (surprised it didn't go down, like the other respiratory ailments).

The absolute increase in diabetes deaths is almost as large as unintentional accidents, but the relative degree probably tells us more about what was affected by covid-19. By that standard, diabetes took far and away the biggest jump, going up almost 20% between '19 and '20, almost twice as large as the next highest category. After that, the ranking is injuries, alzheimers, flu, stroke, and only then heart.

In other words, most of the increase was probably preventable deaths, caused because people were staying away from hospitals. Yay shutdowns.

[Pat]

In what world is 1/3 "extremely rare?" You saying you know better than the studies on the topic because....reasons?

[citation needed]

Man you are seriously lazy. You had no citation for your "rare" claim but I have to do your homework for you? Fine, here, first link on Google, many more articles saying the same thing if you bother to look:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2021/02/20/nearly-one-third-of-covid-19-survivors-have-symptoms-some-up-to-9-months-later-new-study-finds/?sh=7a9711ed4eb2

You made the initial claim. It's up to you to back it up.

Forbes isn't a good source on medical issues, and it's just referring to a letter in JAMA rather than a peer reviewed article. Also, it doesn't support your claim that 1/3rd of young people have symptoms 9 months later. It's "up to" 9 months, and it's not specific to young people.

Here's a better source. It's a practice guide for primary care doctors, with extensive references.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3026
It says 10% of covid-positive patients have symptoms that last beyond 3 weeks, and a smaller proportion stretching into months.

There's also an older CDC study that comes closer to your percentage, but not the duration:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6930e1.htm
30% of covid-positive patients have symptoms after a month, and even among the younger healthy cohort (18-35s with no preexisting conditions), it's about 20%. But it's a very small study, so the numbers should be considered fairly tentative.

Here's a more recent survey from the UK:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/1april2021
This study relies on self-reporting, but it's a large sample and tested against a control group. Suggests about 14% have symptoms longer than 3 months (vs. 2% in the control group).

Another British study:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01292-y
2% had symptoms longer than 3 months.

Sars 2 is a very strange disease, but it doesn't help to sensationalize it.

[moonsweeper]

I'm thinking of filling this out, printing it, putting a yellow star on the reverse and pinning to my shirt star side up.

Just to clarify. 
If you get the shot it should have the mark of the beast on it and if you don't get the shot you go with the yellow star, right?   

[ScytheSong]

Are you getting tired of seeing the Conspiracy Facts being proven correct time and time again byt the MSM?

Ah, yes. The good ol' ToryGraph, who is racking up the COVID-19 denial frequent flyer miles. Including an IPSO-forced take down and a number of lawsuits. "Just because they were infected by the coronavirus and died because their body didn't have enough oxygen, that doesn't mean they *actually* died of COVID. Just look at the comorbidities."

Also, as another point on a similar topic, when you've got all the beds in the local ICU filled by people on ventilators, the 87-year-old (who was my father) gets sent to a hospital twenty miles further on where they can actually investigate why he's been spitting up blood for the past twenty-four hours. And then he dies. My brother's church has had roughly three times the number of deaths in the past 12 months than in any other twelve month period in his twenty-plus years as their pastor. Sure, it's anecdotal, but it's part of a larger pattern that shows that people are dying who otherwise wouldn't because of the virus (not because of the lockdown like some of you idiots seem to think).

Sorry to hear of your father's passing.

Just to be clear, he died while en route to the twenty-miles further away hospital? And your claim is that he would have not died if he had been able to go to the closer hospital?

I have no doubt that deaths for 2020 were up for your brother's church. Church populations tend to skew older, and COVID has a higher mortality rate in older populations.

And the knock-on effects of lockdowns do kill people.
https://www.city-journal.org/death-and-lockdowns

My dad died at the second hospital -- where the doctors who had been following him after his stroke didn't have privileges. If he had been at the first hospital, the neurologist and the GI specialist who had been following him would have been able to see him, rather than a crew that didn't know him. It took three days, so the trip itself wasn't what killed him.

[deathknight4044]

Heres a CNN employee talking about how they manipulate the COVID situation for ratings

[This Guy]

Lookin forward to the retractions