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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341763 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1770 on: April 09, 2021, 02:07:55 PM »
https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/second-vaccine-site-paused-after-adverse-reactions-to-johnson-johnson-shots/

Yeah, this seems really neat. Good plan taking experimental vaccines, guys.
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1771 on: April 09, 2021, 02:11:23 PM »
https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/second-vaccine-site-paused-after-adverse-reactions-to-johnson-johnson-shots/

Yeah, this seems really neat. Good plan taking experimental vaccines, guys.
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

18 outta 2300 is less than 99% and 99% is the number at which people are not supposed to give a shit about things so it's cool.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1772 on: April 09, 2021, 03:09:41 PM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1773 on: April 09, 2021, 03:37:46 PM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.
So do I, and it's fairly common. These aren't placebos, they're fairly strong medicine. That's why many doctors are advising people who are low risk or have various other conditions to not get vaccinated. It's a balance between two different types of risks, and your personal physician should be making decisions based on your personal best interest. That's in direct conflict with public health, where they want everyone to get the shot because they're looking at the overall effect not the individual trade offs.

Based on local scuttlebutt, the Pfizer vaccine has the least side effects, and Moderna the most. And in both cases, the second shot is the rough one. I don't know anyone who's taken the J&J shot, so I can't directly compare. I do know more people who've had the virus than you, including one who was on a ventilator for more than a month.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1774 on: April 09, 2021, 05:50:11 PM »
You fucking sheep amuse me.
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« Reply #1775 on: April 09, 2021, 05:52:17 PM »
You fucking sheep amuse me.
Everybody's got their kinks, but voyeuristic bestiality is exactly what I imagined would amuse Brad.

I vaguely remember Brad being less stupid than this, what happened
The issue is likely your memory; Brad has always been this stupid.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1776 on: April 12, 2021, 08:51:32 PM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.
So do I, and it's fairly common. These aren't placebos, they're fairly strong medicine. That's why many doctors are advising people who are low risk or have various other conditions to not get vaccinated. It's a balance between two different types of risks, and your personal physician should be making decisions based on your personal best interest. That's in direct conflict with public health, where they want everyone to get the shot because they're looking at the overall effect not the individual trade offs.

Based on local scuttlebutt, the Pfizer vaccine has the least side effects, and Moderna the most. And in both cases, the second shot is the rough one. I don't know anyone who's taken the J&J shot, so I can't directly compare. I do know more people who've had the virus than you, including one who was on a ventilator for more than a month.

This matches my experience for what that is worth. I had both Pfizer shots, zero side effects other than a very mild sore arm. My wife had moderna, pretty strong reaction to it for a day and a half (though she had Covid actively, months ago).

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1777 on: April 12, 2021, 09:23:06 PM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.

So do I, and it's fairly common. These aren't placebos, they're fairly strong medicine. That's why many doctors are advising people who are low risk or have various other conditions to not get vaccinated. It's a balance between two different types of risks, and your personal physician should be making decisions based on your personal best interest. That's in direct conflict with public health, where they want everyone to get the shot because they're looking at the overall effect not the individual trade offs.

Based on local scuttlebutt, the Pfizer vaccine has the least side effects, and Moderna the most. And in both cases, the second shot is the rough one. I don't know anyone who's taken the J&J shot, so I can't directly compare. I do know more people who've had the virus than you, including one who was on a ventilator for more than a month.

This matches my experience for what that is worth. I had both Pfizer shots, zero side effects other than a very mild sore arm. My wife had moderna, pretty strong reaction to it for a day and a half (though she had Covid actively, months ago).

I just got my first Pfizer shot on Friday. Nothing but a sore arm. I know a lot of people who have had the vaccine, and many have had temporary discomfort - but no major health problems. I only indirectly know people who have gotten covid, but those include much more severe reactions including two people from my church who had relatives die.

All the medical professionals that I know have been eager to get their own vaccinations.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1778 on: April 12, 2021, 09:59:52 PM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.

So do I, and it's fairly common. These aren't placebos, they're fairly strong medicine. That's why many doctors are advising people who are low risk or have various other conditions to not get vaccinated. It's a balance between two different types of risks, and your personal physician should be making decisions based on your personal best interest. That's in direct conflict with public health, where they want everyone to get the shot because they're looking at the overall effect not the individual trade offs.

Based on local scuttlebutt, the Pfizer vaccine has the least side effects, and Moderna the most. And in both cases, the second shot is the rough one. I don't know anyone who's taken the J&J shot, so I can't directly compare. I do know more people who've had the virus than you, including one who was on a ventilator for more than a month.

This matches my experience for what that is worth. I had both Pfizer shots, zero side effects other than a very mild sore arm. My wife had moderna, pretty strong reaction to it for a day and a half (though she had Covid actively, months ago).

I just got my first Pfizer shot on Friday. Nothing but a sore arm. I know a lot of people who have had the vaccine, and many have had temporary discomfort - but no major health problems. I only indirectly know people who have gotten covid, but those include much more severe reactions including two people from my church who had relatives die.

All the medical professionals that I know have been eager to get their own vaccinations.

I'm generally pro-vaccine, with the caveat that I dislike the proponents who want to downplay side effects, and proclaim anyone who is concerned as "anti-vaccers".

What bothers me is, we have a vaccine rolled out in record time, and pushed onto the majority, hell I'd say the entire population, with an impossibility to determine the long term side effects. I can't shake the mental image in 5-10 years of a TV advertisement asking "Were you or a loved one vaccinated against Covid-19 in 2021-22? You may be entitled to monetary compensation..."

I literally cannot make an informed risk assesment of vaccination against Covid and natural immunity from being exposed to the virus. There just isn't enough information available at this time.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1779 on: April 13, 2021, 09:46:14 AM »
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.

Not disagreeing that much, but I personally know five people who have taken a vaccine and all of them have varying degrees of what can be called "side-effects". Only one was reported, however, as he is still in the hospital. The others range from getting super sick for a couple days to sick for two days. Like I said, I'm not signing up for this stuff...

Contrast this with the number of people I personally know who got sick from Chinavirus: two. And one of them said it was like the flu, the other is an 85 year old man who seemed to be okay after a week.
So do I, and it's fairly common. These aren't placebos, they're fairly strong medicine. That's why many doctors are advising people who are low risk or have various other conditions to not get vaccinated. It's a balance between two different types of risks, and your personal physician should be making decisions based on your personal best interest. That's in direct conflict with public health, where they want everyone to get the shot because they're looking at the overall effect not the individual trade offs.

Based on local scuttlebutt, the Pfizer vaccine has the least side effects, and Moderna the most. And in both cases, the second shot is the rough one. I don't know anyone who's taken the J&J shot, so I can't directly compare. I do know more people who've had the virus than you, including one who was on a ventilator for more than a month.

This matches my experience for what that is worth. I had both Pfizer shots, zero side effects other than a very mild sore arm. My wife had moderna, pretty strong reaction to it for a day and a half (though she had Covid actively, months ago).
That's one of the stranger things about the public health response -- they're recommending people who had the virus take the vaccine. That's usually pointless, because a vaccine typically just induces or mimics the body's usual immune response. If you've had the virus, you're immune. But they're not 100% sure of that with covid-19, and they're not 100% sure how long it lasts, so they're doubling up just in case those unlikely scenarios are true.

Taking the vaccine is probably worth the downsides for those who are high risk, like the elderly, those with preexisting conditions, or those with high risk of exposure like frontline healthcare workers. But in many other cases, the net benefit for an individual who hasn't had the disease is minor or even negative in many cases. Younger, healthy people are extremely unlikely to get a severe case, whereas strong reactions like your wife's aren't uncommon, meaning it's a trade off between a very unlikely but dangerous circumstance and a quite likely negative condition that could aggravate other problems, including as-yet unknown ones. The reason it's being pushed so hard to everyone is because of collective public health reasons, not for the benefit of the individual. For many, cost/benefit seems to be mostly a wash; it's more "close your eyes and think of Fauci" than anything else.

But for someone who's already been infected, the trade offs skew dramatically further against, because it's rather unlikely the vaccine will provide any benefit they already lack.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1780 on: April 13, 2021, 10:55:49 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/second-vaccine-site-paused-after-adverse-reactions-to-johnson-johnson-shots/

Yeah, this seems really neat. Good plan taking experimental vaccines, guys.
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.
Well, that was premature. The J&J vaccine is now associated with rare bloodclots, as well.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-news/2021/04/13/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports

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« Reply #1781 on: April 13, 2021, 11:09:39 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/04/08/second-vaccine-site-paused-after-adverse-reactions-to-johnson-johnson-shots/

Yeah, this seems really neat. Good plan taking experimental vaccines, guys.
The 18 at one site seems high, but 14 of those were minor, and 4.5 million have received the J&J vaccine, so it'd probably just a random cluster. And unlike AstraZeneca's rare and weird blood clot problem, those are typical and expected reactions.
Well, that was premature. The J&J vaccine is now associated with rare bloodclots, as well.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-news/2021/04/13/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports

RIP. Oh well too late anyway taking my chances with Moderna.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1782 on: April 13, 2021, 12:29:18 PM »
Well, that was premature. The J&J vaccine is now associated with rare bloodclots, as well.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/national-news/2021/04/13/us-recommends-pause-for-j-j-vaccine-over-clot-reports

Saw that on the news this morning, then heard it on the radio on the way to work. Some shill was complaining about how bad it was to remove the vaccine from the market because of how many lives would be saved, regardless of the risk to some people. Get your vaccines, comrade!
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« Reply #1783 on: April 13, 2021, 01:37:58 PM »
I would like to note the clots occurred in six people out of 6.8 million vaccinated.

You have a better chance of walking outside after getting vaccinated and being hit by a car.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1784 on: April 13, 2021, 01:48:03 PM »
I would like to note the clots occurred in six people out of 6.8 million vaccinated.

You have a better chance of walking outside after getting vaccinated and being hit by a car.

I also have a minuscule chance of dying if I catch this nonsense virus, so I'd rather not actively seek out something that could potentially be harmful "just in case".
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