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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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Pat

#1725
March 30, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.
What ideological bent? Anti-totalitarianism? Opposing extremists isn't an ideology, it covers most humans.

And I'm pretty sure LA doesn't have vaccine passports, so I'm not even sure why you brought it up. Sure, they handled the virus terribly, but pandemics come in waves, and we've been on the downswing for a while. But hey, looks like it's going back up, so let's see if LA is the next in line for a monstrous abrogation of basic human rights.

Ghostmaker

#1726
March 30, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.
This has nothing to do with Gavin Newsome staring down the barrel of a recall, of course.

Totally nothing at all.

horsesoldier

#1727
March 31, 2021, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Pat on March 30, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.
What ideological bent? Anti-totalitarianism? Opposing extremists isn't an ideology, it covers most humans.

And I'm pretty sure LA doesn't have vaccine passports, so I'm not even sure why you brought it up. Sure, they handled the virus terribly, but pandemics come in waves, and we've been on the downswing for a while. But hey, looks like it's going back up, so let's see if LA is the next in line for a monstrous abrogation of basic human rights.

Everything is ideology to a leftist.

Pat

#1728
March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 09:45:15 AM by Pat
https://uproxx.com/viral/marjorie-taylor-greene-vaccine-passports-mark-of-the-beast/

The most sane and stable person in Congress (reminder: Biden and Harris are no longer members of Congress) has moved on from warning us all about Jewish space lasers, to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast. No, I'm not sure how that works.

Totalitarians must be eating this up, because damn it's a lot easier to sell someone a shit sandwich if your competition is selling a sandwich full of shards of glass (that were used to make space lasers).

Ghostmaker

#1729
March 31, 2021, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
https://uproxx.com/viral/marjorie-taylor-greene-vaccine-passports-mark-of-the-beast/

The most sane and stable person in Congress (reminder: Biden and Harris are no longer members of Congress) has moved on from warning us all about Jewish space lasers, to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast. No, I'm not sure how that works.

Totalitarians must be eating this up, because damn it's a lot easier to sell someone a shit sandwich if your competition is selling a sandwich full of shards of glass (that were used to make space lasers).
There's also a major Democrat push to eject her from the House.

But I'll tell you what. When the Dems start pushing to remove Ilhan 'brother-fucker' Omar, I'll start giving a shit about Greene. Until then, they can just suffer.

horsesoldier

#1730
March 31, 2021, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
https://uproxx.com/viral/marjorie-taylor-greene-vaccine-passports-mark-of-the-beast/

The most sane and stable person in Congress (reminder: Biden and Harris are no longer members of Congress) has moved on from warning us all about Jewish space lasers, to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast. No, I'm not sure how that works.

Totalitarians must be eating this up, because damn it's a lot easier to sell someone a shit sandwich if your competition is selling a sandwich full of shards of glass (that were used to make space lasers).

MTG is purely the prerogative of her constituents. Congress used to be full "local yokels" who represent their district. You still see it with minority politicians. With white politicians? Very rare nowadays. No more Charlie Wilson's, Ron Paul's or James Traficant's.

HappyDaze

#1731
March 31, 2021, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
https://uproxx.com/viral/marjorie-taylor-greene-vaccine-passports-mark-of-the-beast/

The most sane and stable person in Congress (reminder: Biden and Harris are no longer members of Congress) has moved on from warning us all about Jewish space lasers, to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast. No, I'm not sure how that works.

Totalitarians must be eating this up, because damn it's a lot easier to sell someone a shit sandwich if your competition is selling a sandwich full of shards of glass (that were used to make space lasers).

MTG is purely the prerogative of her constituents. Congress used to be full "local yokels" who represent their district. You still see it with minority politicians. With white politicians? Very rare nowadays. No more Charlie Wilson's, Ron Paul's or James Traficant's.
Good for her to faithfully represent her constituents. Too bad though that we have a population behind the idiotic beliefs she champions.

rgalex

#1732
March 31, 2021, 12:05:51 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
https://uproxx.com/viral/marjorie-taylor-greene-vaccine-passports-mark-of-the-beast/

The most sane and stable person in Congress (reminder: Biden and Harris are no longer members of Congress) has moved on from warning us all about Jewish space lasers, to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast. No, I'm not sure how that works.

Totalitarians must be eating this up, because damn it's a lot easier to sell someone a shit sandwich if your competition is selling a sandwich full of shards of glass (that were used to make space lasers).

Revalation 13:16-17
Quote16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [a]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

So, pretty sure that's the jist of the claim.  If you can't go into a shop, movies, travel, etc without a vaccine passport it sort of bears a resemblance to what the biblical Mark of the Beast is suppose to be like.

Pat

#1733
March 31, 2021, 12:10:18 PM Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 12:13:31 PM by Pat
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 11:53:00 AM
MTG is purely the prerogative of her constituents.
Absolutely. I'm very strongly in favor of more minority views being represented in Congress. The problem with representing half a million people geographically contiguous people is you almost always end up with someone very bland. The exceptions are in districts with a one-party lock, where nutjobs like AOC or MTG can get elected. There's a good argument for drastically increasing the number of reps, or for detaching one of the houses of Congress from the land and allowing them to be voted in by more widely dispersed but cohesive groups. That would allow minority parties to have representation equal to their popular support, instead of effectively zero. For instance, the Libertarian Party won 3.28% of the votes in the 2016 presidential election -- yet in the House, they won 0 seats, when that percentage should translate into about 14. The Green Party got 1.1% in the same election, which should translate into about 5 seats. The system is strongly biased against minority views.

The problem is with the political discourse that's going to use her opposition as a weapon to promote covid vaccines.

jhkim

#1734
March 31, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Conversely, I've seen conservative complaints that it's insane if covid restrictions apply to people who have already been vaccinated -- which is the exact opposite complaint.

One can complain that there are covid restrictions at all - but complaining about those isn't new (i.e. shifting the clock).

Pat

#1735
March 31, 2021, 12:39:06 PM Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 12:48:46 PM by Pat
Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Conversely, I've seen conservative complaints that it's insane if covid restrictions apply to people who have already been vaccinated -- which is the exact opposite complaint.
How is that the opposite. It's perfectly consistent to oppose totalitarian measures and to... oppose totalitarian measures.

Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
One can complain that there are covid restrictions at all - but complaining about those isn't new (i.e. shifting the clock).
So when the Overton Windows of Totalitarianism has shifted dramatically in the past year, we can't talk about new restrictions anymore because it's not new?

Brad

#1736
March 31, 2021, 02:06:06 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
to calling vaccine passports Biden's Mark of the Beast.

She may or may not be correct, but your blatant disregard for religious interpretation of events is pretty bigoted...
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Mistwell

#1737
March 31, 2021, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 30, 2021, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.
This has nothing to do with Gavin Newsome staring down the barrel of a recall, of course.

Totally nothing at all.

Oh I agree it does have a lot to do with that. But pretty hard to argue totalitarian rule and influence of the people on that rule by use of a signed petition in the same breath.

Mistwell

#1738
March 31, 2021, 03:36:15 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Pat on March 30, 2021, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.
What ideological bent? Anti-totalitarianism? Opposing extremists isn't an ideology, it covers most humans.

And I'm pretty sure LA doesn't have vaccine passports, so I'm not even sure why you brought it up. Sure, they handled the virus terribly, but pandemics come in waves, and we've been on the downswing for a while. But hey, looks like it's going back up, so let's see if LA is the next in line for a monstrous abrogation of basic human rights.

Everything is ideology to a leftist.

I'm right of center, sparky. You really pretending Pat's free of ideological influence?

jhkim

#1739
March 31, 2021, 04:47:58 PM
Quote from: Pat on March 31, 2021, 12:39:06 PM
Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
Conversely, I've seen conservative complaints that it's insane if covid restrictions apply to people who have already been vaccinated -- which is the exact opposite complaint.

How is that the opposite. It's perfectly consistent to oppose totalitarian measures and to... oppose totalitarian measures.

Quote from: jhkim on March 31, 2021, 12:33:20 PM
One can complain that there are covid restrictions at all - but complaining about those isn't new (i.e. shifting the clock).
So when the Overton Windows of Totalitarianism has shifted dramatically in the past year, we can't talk about new restrictions anymore because it's not new?

But this isn't new restrictions. It's a *relaxing* of previously-implemented restrictions for people who are vaccinated. Complaining about both seems like damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

1) Keep restrictions in place for everyone regardless of vaccination.

"This is senseless totalitarianism just to exert control. There's no reason to restrict people who are vaccinated."

2) Give passes so vaccinated people can ignore restrictions.

"Now vaccination is the Mark of the Beast. The Totalitarianism Clock is ticking down to midnight."

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