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Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

Started by Zirunel, May 31, 2020, 04:01:23 PM

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Garry G

#1710
March 27, 2021, 01:52:30 PM
So what's the current WHO guidance?

dkabq

#1711
March 27, 2021, 02:36:42 PM
Quote from: Garry G on March 27, 2021, 01:52:30 PM
So what's the current WHO guidance?

WHO knows?   ;)

moonsweeper

#1712
March 27, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
Quote from: Garry G on March 27, 2021, 01:52:30 PM
So what's the current WHO guidance?

I'm sure we'll find out shortly after the WHO receives their new guidelines from the CCP.
"I have a very hard time taking seriously someone who has the time and resources to protest capitalism, while walking around in Nike shoes and drinking Starbucks, while filming it on their iPhone."  --  Alderaan Crumbs

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Eirikrautha

#1713
March 27, 2021, 10:18:16 PM
Quote from: Garry G on March 27, 2021, 01:52:30 PM
So what's the current WHO guidance?
Probably different than what it was a year ago.  Which means that: a) the WHO has done a remarkable amount of science on a still poorly-understood virus that overturns decades of solid previous research, or b) it's irrelevant, as this just proves the WHO is more interested in political statements than actual scientific medical information...

dkabq

#1714
March 27, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
Pre-COVID, the WHO and the CDC did not recommend mask wearing for the general public during flu season. The hospital my wife worked at did not require her to wear a mask if she got the flu vaccine.

Mistwell

#1715
March 27, 2021, 11:45:55 PM Last Edit: March 27, 2021, 11:51:13 PM by Mistwell
Quote from: dkabq on March 27, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
The WHO does not recommend the wearing of masks by the mass population:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-full-30mar2020.pdf?sfvrsn=6b68bc4a_2

Yes, over a year ago that's where they were at.

And then they figured out how the virus was spreading and, like you do with science, changed their recommendation with the new evidence. First they changed on those over 60, those with pre-existing conditions, and health care workers. Later, they changed to the general public.

Did you not realize you were looking at March 2020 and thought it was March 2021?

Pat

#1716
March 28, 2021, 12:45:56 AM Last Edit: March 28, 2021, 12:48:15 AM by Pat
Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2021, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: dkabq on March 27, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
The WHO does not recommend the wearing of masks by the mass population:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-full-30mar2020.pdf?sfvrsn=6b68bc4a_2

Yes, over a year ago that's where they were at.

And then they figured out how the virus was spreading and, like you do with science, changed their recommendation with the new evidence. First they changed on those over 60, those with pre-existing conditions, and health care workers. Later, they changed to the general public.

Did you not realize you were looking at March 2020 and thought it was March 2021?
That's not exactly what the article says. It's not first, then later. It's just different rules for different categories, all at once.

But you'll note they never explain what the "new evidence" is. Not even a hint, much less a citation to a peer-reviewed paper. There were some new arguments in favor in June 2020, like the hamster study, but if that was the reason, why not say it? And in the months since, the evidence has shifted back in the other direction. Why haven't they adjusted their recommendations back?

Because the WHO is a political entity. When you leave them alone (like in 2019), they won't always make the correct recommendations, but they'll tend to follow the science. But when the political establishment of their member nations all decided to do the opposite of what they recommend, what happens? Do they take a brave stand and hold the line? Or do they make a politically motivated concession?

Look at the disgraceful way they handled the investigation into the Wuhan lab, with more than a year before they assembled a team, highly biased "investigators", and they didn't even talk to the janitorial staff or have access to the needed records. Yet they praised China's response to the heavens, and fully exonerated them despite not having any basis to do so. And that was just in response to the pressure of one of member nation, not nearly all of them.

dkabq

#1717
March 28, 2021, 07:43:47 AM Last Edit: March 28, 2021, 07:48:58 AM by dkabq
Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2021, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: dkabq on March 27, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
The WHO does not recommend the wearing of masks by the mass population:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-full-30mar2020.pdf?sfvrsn=6b68bc4a_2

Yes, over a year ago that's where they were at.

And then they figured out how the virus was spreading and, like you do with science, changed their recommendation with the new evidence. First they changed on those over 60, those with pre-existing conditions, and health care workers. Later, they changed to the general public.

Did you not realize you were looking at March 2020 and thought it was March 2021?

Well just f*&^ me stupid.  :-[

I will have to be more mindful of dates in the future.

horsesoldier

#1718
March 29, 2021, 09:50:38 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on March 27, 2021, 11:45:55 PM
Quote from: dkabq on March 27, 2021, 01:05:18 PM
The WHO does not recommend the wearing of masks by the mass population:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/transcripts/who-audio-emergencies-coronavirus-press-conference-full-30mar2020.pdf?sfvrsn=6b68bc4a_2

Yes, over a year ago that's where they were at.

And then they figured out how the virus was spreading and, like you do with science, changed their recommendation with the new evidence. First they changed on those over 60, those with pre-existing conditions, and health care workers. Later, they changed to the general public.

Did you not realize you were looking at March 2020 and thought it was March 2021?

Oh thank goodness the impartial meritocracy of the WHO is following the science. What would we do without them.

Pat

#1719
March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM Last Edit: March 29, 2021, 05:59:58 PM by Pat

Ratman_tf

#1720
March 29, 2021, 08:46:57 PM
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Brad

#1721
March 29, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
I'm gonna make a bet that the people who called Trump "literally Hitler!" are just fine with a mandatory vaccine for a particularly nasty cold virus...
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Ghostmaker

#1722
March 30, 2021, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: Brad on March 29, 2021, 09:02:35 PM
I'm gonna make a bet that the people who called Trump "literally Hitler!" are just fine with a mandatory vaccine for a particularly nasty cold virus...
And the transit papers. Don't forget the transit papers.

Welcome to Arztotska!

KingCheops

#1723
March 30, 2021, 11:00:47 AM
I guess I should get used to the idea of having to wear some sort of patch or pin to display that I'm an untermensch that has not had the "vaccine"?

Mistwell

#1724
March 30, 2021, 09:42:07 PM Last Edit: March 30, 2021, 09:44:09 PM by Mistwell
Quote from: Pat on March 29, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-biden-administration-is-developing-a-vaccine-passport-program-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/trending/new-york-covid-digital-vaccine-passport-excelsior-pass-msg-2021-3
https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-proposes-vaccination-passport-coronavirus-2021-3

Plan to go to the bar? Watch a game? Fly on an airplane? Go to work?

The Totalitarian Clock has ticked a few minutes closer to midnight.

Meanwhile Los Angeles, which given your ideological bent must look like the pit of totalitarian rule, is opening bars, opening stadiums, and making travel easier right now. Offices which were closed are now opening, amusement parts which were closed are now opening, same with gyms, etc.. And none of it involves proof of vaccination. It's just based on the infection, hospitalization, and death numbers dropping.

If your theory were correct, none of that would be opening.

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