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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341821 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1365 on: January 08, 2021, 08:59:51 PM »
Pat hate to sound like a broken record, but again a brick wall is going to constructive than rawma will ever be.  Swallow your pride and just put him on ignore.  This is beyond principle at this point.

To be fair I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1366 on: January 08, 2021, 09:51:56 PM »
That's your weird bigotry. I'm just pointing out a fact like I should have done about his spelling of Garry.
Hint: it's not weird if you see shit like this: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-lancashire-44288992

It's one thing to be a wanderer. It's another to be a thieving thug.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1367 on: January 08, 2021, 09:55:19 PM »
Pat hate to sound like a broken record, but again a brick wall is going to constructive than rawma will ever be.  Swallow your pride and just put him on ignore.  This is beyond principle at this point.

To be fair I'm not even sure what the argument is about anymore.

It hasn't been about anything in a long time. Pat is upset because I implied that he was right-wing on a forum where almost everybody is right-wing and where he posts lots of right-wing saws, and he immediately lost it; I got annoyed because he won't accept even a well-documented rebuttal except after a large number of posts.

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« Reply #1368 on: January 08, 2021, 10:49:30 PM »
You claimed you posted a perfectly innocent post, and I called you crazy. You then quoted your "innocent" post, except you edited out the 3 or 4 parts where you made crazy claims.

I have not misrepresented what I wrote; humor, hyperbole, rhetoric, opinion, and mild by the standards of this forum. You reacted with outraged and humorless shrieks, and have subsequently misrepresented your posts significantly. I've invited you to make your case and you can't or won't.
You did nothing but misrepresent that post, many many others. It's one of the many things that makes you a liar.

And the funny one, of course. How could we forget that?

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« Reply #1369 on: January 08, 2021, 10:50:36 PM »
It hasn't been about anything in a long time. Pat is upset because I implied that he was right-wing on a forum where almost everybody is right-wing and where he posts lots of right-wing saws, and he immediately lost it; I got annoyed because he won't accept even a well-documented rebuttal except after a large number of posts.
Nah, it's simpler than that. You lie and act like a 4 year old.

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« Reply #1370 on: January 08, 2021, 10:59:27 PM »
You claimed you posted a perfectly innocent post, and I called you crazy. You then quoted your "innocent" post, except you edited out the 3 or 4 parts where you made crazy claims.

I have not misrepresented what I wrote; humor, hyperbole, rhetoric, opinion, and mild by the standards of this forum. You reacted with outraged and humorless shrieks, and have subsequently misrepresented your posts significantly. I've invited you to make your case and you can't or won't.
You did nothing but misrepresent that post, many many others. It's one of the many things that makes you a liar.

And the funny one, of course. How could we forget that?

It hasn't been about anything in a long time. Pat is upset because I implied that he was right-wing on a forum where almost everybody is right-wing and where he posts lots of right-wing saws, and he immediately lost it; I got annoyed because he won't accept even a well-documented rebuttal except after a large number of posts.
Nah, it's simpler than that. You lie and act like a 4 year old.

Both wrong, and still can't make your case. Getting to be a habit for you, Pat; you're not very good at this.

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« Reply #1371 on: January 08, 2021, 11:10:40 PM »
Pat hate to sound like a broken record, but again a brick wall is going to constructive than rawma will ever be.  Swallow your pride and just put him on ignore.  This is beyond principle at this point.
Doesn't cost me anything. I don't spend any time these replies anymore. Which is a first for me, because I've always gone to the effort of giving everyone the basic human respect of a rational, considered reply even when they're attacking me, or when they have a weak case. But Rawma is just a broken record of lies and personal attacks, repeating the same lies and accusing everyone else of doing what he's doing, in some pathetic attempt to deflect blame.

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« Reply #1372 on: January 08, 2021, 11:47:29 PM »
Pat hate to sound like a broken record, but again a brick wall is going to constructive than rawma will ever be.  Swallow your pride and just put him on ignore.  This is beyond principle at this point.
Doesn't cost me anything. I don't spend any time these replies anymore. Which is a first for me, because I've always gone to the effort of giving everyone the basic human respect of a rational, considered reply even when they're attacking me, or when they have a weak case. But Rawma is just a broken record of lies and personal attacks, repeating the same lies and accusing everyone else of doing what he's doing, in some pathetic attempt to deflect blame.

Nothing new and nothing true, I see.

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« Reply #1373 on: January 09, 2021, 12:02:02 AM »
Nothing new and nothing true, I see.
I say something, you lie about it, I correct you, you repeat the same lies. There's nothing new under the Rawma sun, just the endless beating heat of indistinguishable lies.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1374 on: January 09, 2021, 01:48:10 AM »
Pat hate to sound like a broken record, but again a brick wall is going to constructive than rawma will ever be.  Swallow your pride and just put him on ignore.  This is beyond principle at this point.
Doesn't cost me anything. I don't spend any time these replies anymore. Which is a first for me, because I've always gone to the effort of giving everyone the basic human respect of a rational, considered reply even when they're attacking me, or when they have a weak case. But Rawma is just a broken record of lies and personal attacks, repeating the same lies and accusing everyone else of doing what he's doing, in some pathetic attempt to deflect blame.

Which is why I don't talk to him.  Your feeding the troll with attention he doesn't deserve.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1375 on: January 09, 2021, 12:26:04 PM »
Nothing new and nothing true, I see.
I say something, you lie about it, I correct you, you repeat the same lies. There's nothing new under the Rawma sun, just the endless beating heat of indistinguishable lies.

There was one point of agreement between us: that Pat was wrong about the coronavirus relief containing unrelated spending. I've backed up my claims; Pat just makes stuff up that he can't support. It is sad that Pat is trapped in an endless cycle of projection of his own dishonesty and thin skin.



I bookmarked some posts earlier to respond to, so I'll take the opportunity for some separate commentary:

I bet you can predict what rawma thinks on any particular topic just by knowing that he is left wing.

(Leaving out the consolcwby trolling in between; you're welcome! Shasarak does echo consolcwby's incorrect assertion that I had opposed a coronavirus relief package because Trump wanted one.)

Its not being a contrarian at all.  I would put people like Mistwell in that particular category.

rawma is the type of person who gets his talking points from places like CNN and NY Times which frees him from the need to be consistant.  Therefore he is happy to complain about Trump wanting an aid package one second before the narrative changes to the opposite.

You and I may experience some kind of cognitive dissonance but for him it is just another Tuesday.

This is of course not true (not that that would ever dissuade Shasarak). In the current election discussion, there are really only two sides: accept the Biden win or deny that result, which is effectively support of Trump. Trump was obviously unfit in 2016, and has only demonstrated that with greater certainty since. So, no surprise that I opposed and oppose Trump. But I am also quite confident that Shasarak could not correctly predict even my presidential votes in the period of 2000 to 2012. (Yes, secret ballot, anonymous poster, etc, so there's no way to prove it; but just based on significant and even unfortunate numbers of left-wing people voting for third party candidates, one probably wouldn't be able to tell in general just from "he is left wing".) I've deviated here on occasion from the usual left-wing line, like on birthright citizenship, and I have to agree with the rather conservative Joe Manchin that money for $2000 checks would be better spent on more unemployment aid.

The recent Consolidated Appropriations Act gives several examples of a greater problem, lame right-wing talking points: study of the 1908 Springfield race riot and gender programs in Pakistan and climate change in Tibet - oh no, race and gender and climate change! But the first is a study of the archeological site by the Department of Interior with respect to whether the site should be added to the National Parks system; the second is in the context of money for democracy programs and gender programs in Pakistan, and the gender programs seem constrained by the following reasonable policy:
Quote from: HR133
(f) REGIONAL PROGRAMS.—Funds appropriated by this Act shall be  made  available  for  assistance  for  Afghanistan,  Pakistan,  and  other  countries  in  South  and  Central  Asia  to  significantly  increase  the  recruitment,  training,  and  retention  of  women  in  the  judiciary,  police,  and  other  security  forces,  and  to  train  judicial  and  security  personnel  in  such  countries  to  prevent  and  address  gender-based  violence,  human  trafficking,  and  other  practices  that  disproportionately harm women and girls.
And "climate change in Tibet" is presumably from "POLICY   REGARDING   THE   ENVIRONMENT   AND   WATER   RESOURCES ON THE TIBETAN PLATEAU" which seems at least as concerned with Chinese policies as climate change; it's also much shorter than "STATEMENT  OF  POLICY  REGARDING  THE  SUCCESSION  OR  REINCARNATION OF THE DALAI LAMA".

It's usually ridiculously easy to debunk the nonsense posted here, especially about the election, like claims of more than 100% turnout in Wisconsin or in Detroit. (Spoiler: Those claims are wrong.) I don't post talking points from anywhere; I apply the same debunking to things I want to believe as to things you want to believe, and since it's not hard to do and the quality of their posts here would be higher, one has to wonder why it's not done by the right-wingers.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1376 on: January 09, 2021, 05:56:02 PM »
Study: 50% of new COVID-19 infections transmitted from patients with no symptoms

At least 50% of new coronavirus infections are spread from people without symptoms, according to a study published this week.

People who are asymptomatic or never experience symptoms made up about 24% of all transmissions, while presymptomatic individuals accounted for 35% for a total of 59%, researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found.

Jay Butler, CDC deputy director for infectious diseases and a lead author of the study, told Business Insider that the findings back up public health guidelines about social distancing and mask wearing.

“There was still some controversy over the value of community mitigation — face masks, social distancing, and hand hygiene — to limit spread,” Dr. Butler said. “This study demonstrates that while symptom screening may have some value, mitigation, as well as strategically planned testing of persons in some setting, will be a significant benefit.”
« Last Edit: January 09, 2021, 05:58:52 PM by Mistwell »

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« Reply #1377 on: January 09, 2021, 06:21:48 PM »
I've backed up my claims; Pat just makes stuff up that he can't support. It is sad that Pat is trapped in an endless cycle of projection of his own dishonesty and thin skin.
I've backed up all my claims. This is you, dishonestly projecting.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1378 on: January 09, 2021, 06:42:36 PM »
I've backed up my claims; Pat just makes stuff up that he can't support. It is sad that Pat is trapped in an endless cycle of projection of his own dishonesty and thin skin.
I've backed up all my claims. This is you, dishonestly projecting.

You could not have demonstrated my observation any more thoroughly. LOL.

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« Reply #1379 on: January 09, 2021, 08:45:28 PM »
I've backed up my claims; Pat just makes stuff up that he can't support. It is sad that Pat is trapped in an endless cycle of projection of his own dishonesty and thin skin.
I've backed up all my claims. This is you, dishonestly projecting.

You could not have demonstrated my observation any more thoroughly. LOL.
Other way around. You've been preemptively accusing me of doing what you're doing, for dozens of posts, in an apparent attempt to deflect the blame for your own actions. That's not funny, it's sad.