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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 342065 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1305 on: January 03, 2021, 06:43:22 PM »
But apparently while Pat can't be bothered to post anything truthful, he is bothered enough to keep posting forever. Pat is still fun to mock and laugh at, even though nothing he says is interesting content or discussion.

Get over yourself, Pat.
Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

You did lie; proof given in previous posts. You are investing a lot of time in denying it and digging a deeper hole for yourself; I'm investing a small amount of time mocking and laughing at you.
No, I didn't.

I appreciate that you can laugh while the world is laughing at you.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1306 on: January 03, 2021, 07:05:40 PM »
You know, the last couple of breathless 'oh shit it's all terrible' posts from Misty have involved California.

Here's a thought. Maybe the problem there isn't Covid.

Maybe California is just very, very, badly run.

Exactly. I mean, that place is such as nasty dump it had a resurgence of Medieval era diseases, for crying out loud! Of course more people are dying of sickness there than anywhere else in the US!
Not just California, specific areas in California. Mistwell's right that there are areas where the hospital capacity is overwhelmed. This second surge is significantly bigger than the first. But the implication that it's a universal problem is wrong. Like before, it's highly selective. A far more widespread problem during the last surge than exceeding capacity was running so far below capacity (because people were avoiding precautionary and elective visits) that hospitals were struggling with their budgets, staff were being furloughed, and some went out of business. The same is true this time, though bed use is higher across the country, so there are more problems at the high end than the low. Which is a significant problem; as HappyDaze noted, you can't just scale up ICU slots by adding beds. It's about equipment, the building's environment (reverse pressure, etc.), and especially staff.

And it's not really California's fault. Newsom seems to be a trainwreck of entitlement and stupid, but California did manage to avoid the worst of the last wave. Though I wouldn't give them any particular credit for that either, because covid-19 seems to spread how it wants to spread, with only a few things like border closings making a real difference. But while it's hard to tell, because it's hard to isolate all the variables and distinguish causation instead of just making correlations, the severity of the second wave may be because their last wave was light. The second surge is peaking highest in areas that weren't hit as badly last time. This may have to do with antibody levels in the population. One things the NYT and Fauci never got around to mentioning is the evidence that there is already significant cross-immunity around the world from exposure to other coronaviruses (some are one of the causes of the common cold), and that we're still not sure of the number of asyptomatics. Not to mention historical pandemics tend to follow a two-wave pattern over about 18 months, and then go away. We'll have to see.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1307 on: January 03, 2021, 08:24:54 PM »
Keiro is actually somebody I'm worried about. High earning, you know he pays the top rate of tax, and physically healthy he's neglected his mental health and gone into a weird psychosis where all the governments are out to get him. He's also totally not an anti-vaxxer but says the flu vaccine doesn't work. He's a total mental.

The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1308 on: January 03, 2021, 09:52:52 PM »
Since he insists I'm lying, maybe you should make a judgement on that.

I like to apply the rawma principle on these occasions:  Did rawma say something?  Then yes he was lying.

Coincidentally, this is also Shasarak's principle for CNN. So I guess I'm doing just fine, criticized mostly for lacking the political bias that is popular here.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1309 on: January 04, 2021, 12:50:34 AM »
I KEEP WARNING, WILL IT GO UNHEEDED?
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New York's plan for ROUND-UPS and DEATHCAMPS:
https://twitter.com/drdavidsamadi/status/1345346921616044032

"Section 1. S 2120-A:
Removal and detention of cases, contacts and carriers who are or may be a danger to public health; other orders.
1. The provisions of this section shall be utilized in the event that the governor declares a state of health emergency due to an epidemic of any communicable disease.
2. Upon determining by clear and convincing evidence that the health of others is or may be endangered by a case, contact or carrier, or suspected case, contact or carrier of a contagious disease that, in the opinion of the governor, after consultation with the commissioner, may pose an imminent and significant threat to the public health resulting in severe morbidity or high mortality, the governor or his or her delegee, including, but not limited to the commissioner or the heads of local health departments, may order the removal and/or detention of such a person or a group of such persons by issuing a single order, indentifying such persons either by name or by a reasonably specific description of the individuals or group being detained. Such person or group of persons shall be detained in a medical facility or other appropriate facility or premises designated by the governor or his or her delegee and complying with subdivision five of this section."
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1310 on: January 04, 2021, 07:12:00 AM »
The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1311 on: January 04, 2021, 07:25:44 AM »
The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.
Reasonable people disagree.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1312 on: January 04, 2021, 07:47:53 AM »
The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

Reducing hospitalisation and death is seen as a good thing by many.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.
Reasonable people disagree.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1313 on: January 04, 2021, 08:35:06 AM »
Greetings!

The Irishman at the Computing Forever program discusses aspects of Covid-19 and the globalist UN agenda. Very interesting program from across the pond over there in Ireland. Everything seems to be right on schedule!

Semper Fidelis,

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1314 on: January 04, 2021, 08:37:09 AM »
But apparently while Pat can't be bothered to post anything truthful, he is bothered enough to keep posting forever. Pat is still fun to mock and laugh at, even though nothing he says is interesting content or discussion.

Get over yourself, Pat.
Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

You did lie; proof given in previous posts. You are investing a lot of time in denying it and digging a deeper hole for yourself; I'm investing a small amount of time mocking and laughing at you.
No, I didn't.

I appreciate that you can laugh while the world is laughing at you.

SMH. The things that trigger Pat and that Pat imagines are devastating putdowns are a roadmap of Pat's insecurities.

Pat first concedes his error and deflects to his sources:
Let's start here: The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong. I could link the sources I used, which said the same thing I said, but they're wrong too. Just like the sources you used that talk about the coronavirus package being a separate bill. They're both easy mistakes, and ones that have also been made by people who are supposed to be experts (as evidenced by our sources).

And then Pat denies what anyone can see right there; emphasis added:
I took explicit responsibility for my error, which you've never done for any of the errors you made. I never even mentioned my sources until several posts later, when I brought it up to help you save face from one of your own errors, by pointing out that both our errors were because we relied on sources that made the same errors. Note that is in no way "blaming" anyone for a mistake. It's just explaining how it happened. I'll also point out that when you made an error, I corrected it, and you dropped it, I never harangued you over it. The only exception is your one/two bill error, which I brought up several times to highlight that that's exactly what you were doing. Feel free to keep on doing it, though. I don't mind. I'm not that insecure.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1315 on: January 04, 2021, 08:51:28 AM »
But apparently while Pat can't be bothered to post anything truthful, he is bothered enough to keep posting forever. Pat is still fun to mock and laugh at, even though nothing he says is interesting content or discussion.

Get over yourself, Pat.
Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

You did lie; proof given in previous posts. You are investing a lot of time in denying it and digging a deeper hole for yourself; I'm investing a small amount of time mocking and laughing at you.
No, I didn't.

I appreciate that you can laugh while the world is laughing at you.

SMH. The things that trigger Pat and that Pat imagines are devastating putdowns are a roadmap of Pat's insecurities.

Pat first concedes his error and deflects to his sources:
Let's start here: The part about the foreign aid not being part of the $900 intended for coronavirus relief? You're right, and I was wrong. I could link the sources I used, which said the same thing I said, but they're wrong too. Just like the sources you used that talk about the coronavirus package being a separate bill. They're both easy mistakes, and ones that have also been made by people who are supposed to be experts (as evidenced by our sources).

And then Pat denies what anyone can see right there; emphasis added:
I took explicit responsibility for my error, which you've never done for any of the errors you made. I never even mentioned my sources until several posts later, when I brought it up to help you save face from one of your own errors, by pointing out that both our errors were because we relied on sources that made the same errors. Note that is in no way "blaming" anyone for a mistake. It's just explaining how it happened. I'll also point out that when you made an error, I corrected it, and you dropped it, I never harangued you over it. The only exception is your one/two bill error, which I brought up several times to highlight that that's exactly what you were doing. Feel free to keep on doing it, though. I don't mind. I'm not that insecure.
Yes, I admitted my error. I almost always do. That you've brought it up -- is it dozens of times, now? -- without admitting to even one of your own blatant errors says a lot about your insecurities.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1316 on: January 04, 2021, 11:21:00 AM »
You know, the last couple of breathless 'oh shit it's all terrible' posts from Misty have involved California.

Here's a thought. Maybe the problem there isn't Covid.

Maybe California is just very, very, badly run.

Not mutually exclusive positions. California can be badly run (and it definitely is badly run) and also this can be what's about to happen and is already happening in other states which are better run (California STILL has a lower rate of death per 100,000 people from Covid-19 than a majority of states even with this shitty government). But, no matter how poorly run, California cannot "make" Covid-19 worse than the flu. Covid-19 is worse than the flu regardless of how poor or well a government is run. Because the flu has never, EVER done this to California. Our hospitals have never been overrun from the flu. Mass death on this scale has never happened here from the flu. But the government was just as shitty out here with the flu. So it's not the government which is the changed factor here that's made things so bad with the hospitals, it's Covid-19.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1317 on: January 04, 2021, 11:31:26 AM »
The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

There are TWO direct benefits to you from the flu vaccine:

1. It reduces your chances of getting the flu by 40-60%

CDC: "flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine."

2. It reduces your chances of ending up hospitalized or in the ICU or dead from the flu, if you do get it:

"In recent years, flu vaccines have reduced the risk of flu-associated hospitalizations among older adults on average by about 40%. Flu vaccination among adults reduced the risk of being admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU) with flu by 82 percent. flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized flu patients. A 2018 study showed that among adults hospitalized with flu, vaccinated patients were 59 percent less likely to be admitted to the ICU than those who had not been vaccinated. Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated."

And then it has a primary indirect benefit, which is reducing the spread of the Flu in the population at large which reduces your chances of being exposed to the Flu virus in the first place. It further reduces the chances someone else who is a child or old or immune compromised of getting it and dying from it as well.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1318 on: January 04, 2021, 11:35:55 AM »
Except I didn't lie. And you have demonstrated you aren't worth any serious investment of time.

Dude, I figured that out weeks ago, and I didn't even spend that much time in this forum section till after the election. This guy makes interacting with HappyDaze and Mistwell seem enjoyable. I don't even hate them that much, specially when actually discussing RPGs.

You know, the last couple of breathless 'oh shit it's all terrible' posts from Misty have involved California.

Here's a thought. Maybe the problem there isn't Covid.

Maybe California is just very, very, badly run.

Exactly. I mean, that place is such as nasty dump it had a resurgence of Medieval era diseases, for crying out loud! Of course more people are dying of sickness there than anywhere else in the US!

I don't hate anyone here, though the guy who called me a Zionist Scum is pushing it. I've been here for over a decade, and I knew some of the folks here online (like SHARK) well before they were posting here. My love of RPGs and people who play them is far more important to me than any of this bullshit.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #1319 on: January 04, 2021, 11:37:21 AM »
The Flu vaccine works 45% of the time.

So yeah Flu vaccine works.

40% when they guess the right strain(s). Even then it doesn't make you immune, it might just shorten your symptoms, in other words a complete waste of time.

There are TWO direct benefits to you from the flu vaccine:

1. It reduces your chances of getting the flu by 40-60%

CDC: "flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine."

2. It reduces your chances of ending up hospitalized or in the ICU or dead from the flu, if you do get it:

"In recent years, flu vaccines have reduced the risk of flu-associated hospitalizations among older adults on average by about 40%. Flu vaccination among adults reduced the risk of being admitted to an intensive care unit (ICU) with flu by 82 percent. flu vaccination reduced deaths, intensive care unit (ICU) admissions, ICU length of stay, and overall duration of hospitalization among hospitalized flu patients. A 2018 study showed that among adults hospitalized with flu, vaccinated patients were 59 percent less likely to be admitted to the ICU than those who had not been vaccinated. Among adults in the ICU with flu, vaccinated patients on average spent 4 fewer days in the hospital than those who were not vaccinated."

And then it has a primary indirect benefit, which is reducing the spread of the Flu in the population at large which reduces your chances of being exposed to the Flu virus in the first place. It further reduces the chances someone else who is a child or old or immune compromised of getting it and dying from it as well.
And since many here won't give a shit about those benefits, here's another: Less time hospitalized, especially in ICU, means lower bills. IOW, the vaccine will potentially save you $$$ for a nominal cost and expenditure of time.