Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[moonsweeper]

From our local channel 7 news today:

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Services agency...said there are reports of hospitals being so overwhelmed that ambulances are waiting seven or eight hours in emergency bays, forcing patients to be treated in the ambulance. But more importantly, the delay is keeping the ambulances out of service, leaving them unable to respond to additional emergency medical calls, she said. The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said that 86% of people who died from COVID in 2020 had underlying conditions. This figure is down from more than 90% in the early days of the pandemic. "This indicates, that in fact, that more people than ever are not only passing away, but passing away without any underlying health conditions," Ferrer said.

So the ambulances and EMTs are waiting in a bay for 7 to 8 hours insteading of going to a different hospital...I know the traffic in LA is bad, but damn.

As for the second quote, the statistical data has been garbage since this began and they were counting deaths 'with Covid present' as deaths 'from Covid'.

[Pat]

The exact opposite of how public health messaging should work:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html
(Fauci admits he lied to the public about the threshold for herd immunity, and then gradually raised it based on his "gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks". Note it was dropped Christmas Eve, possibly the least read news day of the year.)

How public health messaging should work: Don't lie to the public. You completely destroy all your credibility, and if you're the public face of something, you destroy trust in that, too. Fauci should have learned this, from his earlier lie about masks. We need more public officials with integrity and fewer patronizing, elitist assholes.

[VisionStorm]

Jimmy Dore rips Dr. Faux Shit--erm, I mean Fauci a new one. Even leftists see through his bullshit!

[Ratman_tf]

We gave them six months to prepare. Maybe they should have been getting ready instead of making dance videos for TikTok.

What steps would you have suggested?

I remember in March when the Navy hospital ship and the national guard were setting up emergency facilities that went unused. What happened to that stuff?

[HappyDaze]

We gave them six months to prepare. Maybe they should have been getting ready instead of making dance videos for TikTok.

What steps would you have suggested?

I remember in March when the Navy hospital ship and the national guard were setting up emergency facilities that went unused. What happened to that stuff?

Where did that happen? NYC? I know it didn't happen in Central Florida.

[Ratman_tf]

We gave them six months to prepare. Maybe they should have been getting ready instead of making dance videos for TikTok.

What steps would you have suggested?

I remember in March when the Navy hospital ship and the national guard were setting up emergency facilities that went unused. What happened to that stuff?

Where did that happen? NYC? I know it didn't happen in Central Florida.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/DOD-Response-Timeline/
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-providing-federal-support-governors-use-national-guard-respond-covid-19/
https://www.defense.gov/Explore/News/Article/Article/2129077/usns-mercy-arrives-in-los-angeles-to-aid-covid-19-response/
https://www.army.mil/article/234197/army_hospitals_ready_in_new_york_and_seattle

I remember WA state because I live here and it was local news. Looks like it was also in NY and CA.

[Shasarak]

You didn't read what I posted. There are very real backups r/t the increased patient load as I mentioned. Mistwell is saying he's seen a situation where non-treatment areas are being converted to patient-care areas. That's not normal and is a sign of severe overload.

I also never claimed to be a Dr. (MD or otherwise), but I am professionally familiar with healthcare administration and patient care processes relevant to these issues.

If you had experience then some of your predictions would actually happen.

While I'm pretty sure youre just talking shit, whiich "predictions" have I made that you question? Please, be specific.

All your talk about ICus was what?  Pearl clutching?  Oh no, 98% capacity!

[Shasarak]

The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

This also compounds the issue by having patients self-redirect themselves to the ED for things that really don't need that kind of treatment. Even if their problem is relatively minor, it still takes time to work them through the system, and the ED gets backed-up even further.

How busy is a Hospitals Elective Surgery going to be when patients dont have insurance because they have been fired and or dont have any income because the government has shut down their business?

And how much Elective Surgery is an extra $600 going to buy?

[Shasarak]

Meanwhile in England:

Women Arrested for Filming Empty Hospital

[HappyDaze]

You didn't read what I posted. There are very real backups r/t the increased patient load as I mentioned. Mistwell is saying he's seen a situation where non-treatment areas are being converted to patient-care areas. That's not normal and is a sign of severe overload.

I also never claimed to be a Dr. (MD or otherwise), but I am professionally familiar with healthcare administration and patient care processes relevant to these issues.

If you had experience then some of your predictions would actually happen.

While I'm pretty sure youre just talking shit, whiich "predictions" have I made that you question? Please, be specific.

All your talk about ICus was what?  Pearl clutching?  Oh no, 98% capacity!

What predictions did I make? I told you about how ICU capacity was having an effect on OR procedures local to me. That wasn't prediction,  it was reporting.

[Kiero]

I find it sad that on a ROLE PLAYING GAME forum that y'all think co-morbitities is something only old people at the end of their lives already might have. Hello, we're gamers. Many of us have co-morbitities of some kind. And by "us" I don't mean the population of this message board I mean the general population of RPG players as a whole. We tend to be overweight. We tend to have a higher incidence of high blood pressure, diabetes, and related conditions. This attitude that somehow it's OK if people die with those because "co-morbitites so it's natural" is obvious bullshit which I think none of you actually believe when it comes to the people you know in your lives. It's just more Internet fake badassery.

I'm over 40, I don't have any. Because I actually look after my health and fitness (I'm fitter now than I was a decade ago).

[HappyDaze]

I find it sad that on a ROLE PLAYING GAME forum that y'all think co-morbitities is something only old people at the end of their lives already might have. Hello, we're gamers. Many of us have co-morbitities of some kind. And by "us" I don't mean the population of this message board I mean the general population of RPG players as a whole. We tend to be overweight. We tend to have a higher incidence of high blood pressure, diabetes, and related conditions. This attitude that somehow it's OK if people die with those because "co-morbitites so it's natural" is obvious bullshit which I think none of you actually believe when it comes to the people you know in your lives. It's just more Internet fake badassery.

I'm over 40, I don't have any. Because I actually look after my health and fitness (I'm fitter now than I was a decade ago).

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

[Kiero]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

[Ghostmaker]

Look beyond yourself. It's something humans do.

No, you start by taking responsibility for yourself. Then your family. Then your community.

But if you let your health go to shit, you can't do any of those things properly.

Ah, but to leftists, it's inverted. You MUST care for other people above even your own needs.

[Mistwell]

From our local channel 7 news today:

Cathy Chidester, director of the county Emergency Medical Services agency...said there are reports of hospitals being so overwhelmed that ambulances are waiting seven or eight hours in emergency bays, forcing patients to be treated in the ambulance. But more importantly, the delay is keeping the ambulances out of service, leaving them unable to respond to additional emergency medical calls, she said. The crisis at hospitals have some facilities reassigning nurses from outpatient clinics to emergency and COVID units, reducing patient access across the board.

County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said that 86% of people who died from COVID in 2020 had underlying conditions. This figure is down from more than 90% in the early days of the pandemic. "This indicates, that in fact, that more people than ever are not only passing away, but passing away without any underlying health conditions," Ferrer said.

So the ambulances and EMTs are waiting in a bay for 7 to 8 hours insteading of going to a different hospital...I know the traffic in LA is bad, but damn.

As for the second quote, the statistical data has been garbage since this began and they were counting deaths 'with Covid present' as deaths 'from Covid'.

You live in a fact free world. Anything which runs contrary to your belief about how the world works you dismiss. Which is going to be really fucking shitty if it ever hits your family members and you find you're not able to get treated at the hospital because of what you thought was fiction. This shit is real. Whatever minor spin you can toss on the edges of the information doesn't change the basic premise - the hospitals are in fact filling up, and it is in fact killing more people over time who had no underlying conditions. It's not lining up in the nice safe way you thought it would anymore and cannot be simply dismissed as "like the flu" anymore. Not if you're being honest.