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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341546 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #960 on: December 08, 2020, 09:26:17 AM »
Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.
Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?
I'll leave that to the left. They've been calling us Nazis ever since Dubya.
The extremists on both sides call everyone they perceive to not be on their side (which very often includes the moderates on their own side) names that might accurately apply to only a very small number of their opponents. It's rather pathetic.

Yeah but, I think using Nazi as an epithet has a cultural connotation that Right name-calling just doesn't approach. Commie? Eeeehhhh. While I think communist should be a term that evokes the same revulsion as Nazi, communism unfortunatley doesn't bring up images of gulags and kulaks for most people.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #961 on: December 08, 2020, 09:37:03 AM »
It's easy to say don't bother doing anything if you catch the virus you catch it. If you get sick and die well it's your own fault for being 60 and over and unhealthy. Sorry I can' take that kind of cold calculating attitude of a sociopath in my daily life. My fiance grandparents are in their 90s. Both our moms are on their 60s. As much as I want to be a socially retarded asshole like many here. I can't I would find myself out on the street and single. Not to mention everyone is the tough guy socially retarded asshole when they and none of their family, friends and loved ones are sick. In my neck of the woods they give out fines of 1000$+. Good luck trying to refuse to pay it.

Now I agree the media and TV shows in general are getting annoying with constantly bringing up Cov-19. The Canadian Health Minister has such an annoying English accent in her voice it's like nails on chalkboard. I don't feel sorry for many businesses in my area. No social distancing at all with packed houses. People filming them and putting it on Facebook. It's one thing to complain about being closed when they followed proper procedures. Many of them gave a big finger to them and now they want to complain about being closed. Even then the government in my neck of the woods is strange. Restaurants that sell food are to remain closed yet tattoo parlors and sun tanning are booths are essential

It's easy to ignore the inevitable destruction of lives and livelihoods that Covid restrictions bring. The UN has concerns about relief efforts being impacted by the lockdowns.

https://unglobalcompact.org/take-action/20th-anniversary-campaign/covid-related%20hunger-could-kill-more-people-than-the-virus
https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warns-grave-dangers-economic-impact-coronavirus-millions-are-pushed-further-hunger

And, as you point out, the restrictions are often arbitrary and nonsensical.



How about all the governors and politicans telling people to stay at home while travelling and attending large gatherings themselves? Getting their paychecks while people are being fired and laid off. Are these supposed to be our role models in how to act?

We as a society are going to have to make those cold calculations, whether you're comfortable with them or not.


« Last Edit: December 08, 2020, 09:39:41 AM by Ratman_tf »
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #962 on: December 08, 2020, 10:03:42 AM »
It's easy to say don't bother doing anything if you catch the virus you catch it. If you get sick and die well it's your own fault for being 60 and over and unhealthy. Sorry I can' take that kind of cold calculating attitude of a sociopath in my daily life. My fiance grandparents are in their 90s. Both our moms are on their 60s. As much as I want to be a socially retarded asshole like many here. I can't I would find myself out on the street and single. Not to mention everyone is the tough guy socially retarded asshole when they and none of their family, friends and loved ones are sick. In my neck of the woods they give out fines of 1000$+. Good luck trying to refuse to pay it.

Now I agree the media and TV shows in general are getting annoying with constantly bringing up Cov-19. The Canadian Health Minister has such an annoying English accent in her voice it's like nails on chalkboard. I don't feel sorry for many businesses in my area. No social distancing at all with packed houses. People filming them and putting it on Facebook. It's one thing to complain about being closed when they followed proper procedures. Many of them gave a big finger to them and now they want to complain about being closed. Even then the government in my neck of the woods is strange. Restaurants that sell food are to remain closed yet tattoo parlors and sun tanning are booths are essential

  My children are 10 and 13.  This lockdown and school from home has hurt them.  It has hurt a whole lot of kids.  I also have parents in their late 60's (wife's are 70's).  Guess who I see rolling around the town and doing as they please more in our family?  The people in their late 60's and 70's.  Two have already had COVID and beaten it (both in their 70's with health issues).  Making a decision is not so cold and calculated as you make it out to be.  I also feel asking older people what they think.  My wife's father for instance (he had it) though he masks and takes some precaution, also does not care to stay locked up at his house.  He said to her, he does not know how long he has left to live, no one does, but people in their 70' rather spend what time they have left as they choose (seeing relatives, still traveling, etc) than spend the last few years they have in the house.  So I think your terms as to who you regard acting as a sociopath are over reaching.  I would say shark is not exactly a poet with how he describes his point of view, but words like sociopath are strong, especially considering all the things we see going around about how to protect a lot of the older people, seem to not be coming from those same older people. 

    There can be concessions for those who are vulnerable to the infection, regarding unemployment, programs to ease isolation, etc, and still have the rest of the nation function fairly.  Because now, policies that have grown Amazon and Walmart exponentially, while destroying small businesses seem either engineered, or just more proof politicians are empty suits and heads who know how to win popularity contests.  In the end, liberty is the ability make decisions for yourself and your family.  It is also the ability to screw up.  The whole line of argument that people with different goals and life choices are just sociopaths ends poorly, and we can decide LOTS of things are dangerous/bad for society that need to go.  From gun ownership to being able to drink those sodas, that slippery slope will get steep very fast.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #963 on: December 08, 2020, 10:10:44 AM »
I would say shark is not exactly a poet with how he describes his point of view, but words like sociopath are strong, especially considering all the things we see going around about how to protect a lot of the older people, seem to not be coming from those same older people. 
SHARK isn't likely a sociopath IRL, but his persona here is bombastic and relentlessly aggressive to stupid levels because he wants to play the monster (and many people here seem to love it). Note that most of his posts on the gaming forum are much more thoughtful and balanced and probably better represent how SHARK would interact IRL.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #964 on: December 08, 2020, 10:20:36 AM »
Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.
Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?
I'll leave that to the left. They've been calling us Nazis ever since Dubya.
The extremists on both sides call everyone they perceive to not be on their side (which very often includes the moderates on their own side) names that might accurately apply to only a very small number of their opponents. It's rather pathetic.

Yeah but, I think using Nazi as an epithet has a cultural connotation that Right name-calling just doesn't approach. Commie? Eeeehhhh. While I think communist should be a term that evokes the same revulsion as Nazi, communism unfortunatley doesn't bring up images of gulags and kulaks for most people.

Pretty much, plus it's one thing to call someone a "Commie" or a "Nazi", or whatever, during a heated discussion between social media randos. But it's another thing entirely when the ENTIRE mainstream media apparatus has been working over night for years to associate all bad conduct and everything that is evil with the so-called "Right Wing", and now just arbitrarily declares whole swaths of people "Far Right" Alt-Right, White Supremacists, Nazis, etc., regardless of what their actual believes or political leanings are. Now ANYONE can be a "Far Right" Nazi just because the media declares it so, therefore it must be so.

I'm "Right-Wing" cuz I reject Intersectionality and was involved with GamerGate, even though I used to be a socialist, and still hardly agree with any actual "right-wing" policy positions other than 2nd amendment, which used to be a life-wing position (Marx was pro-gun) before Neo-Liberals started promoting gun control.

Where's the equivalent of that against the so-called "Left"? Faux News calling Obama a Socialist decades ago? ONE network in ages past using a term most people hardly associate with evil and some actually associate with good.

The term "Right-Wing" has come to mean "Evil". I've seen countless discussions with people who speak strictly on terms of "Left-Wing Good & Everything Righteous/Right-Wing Bad, Evil, Bigoted & Deplorable", and anyone who disagrees with them is "Right Wing". It's actually come to the point where Left/Right is viewed as a real life alignment system where Left=Good and Right=Evil. And why would any decent person align with "Right"?

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #965 on: December 08, 2020, 10:50:48 AM »
Maybe you'll be happier when the U.S. is a shithole. You're certainly doing your part for that.
Would like to escalate it further? Maybe bring up Nazis?
I'll leave that to the left. They've been calling us Nazis ever since Dubya.
The extremists on both sides call everyone they perceive to not be on their side (which very often includes the moderates on their own side) names that might accurately apply to only a very small number of their opponents. It's rather pathetic.

Yeah but, I think using Nazi as an epithet has a cultural connotation that Right name-calling just doesn't approach. Commie? Eeeehhhh. While I think communist should be a term that evokes the same revulsion as Nazi, communism unfortunatley doesn't bring up images of gulags and kulaks for most people.

Pretty much, plus it's one thing to call someone a "Commie" or a "Nazi", or whatever, during a heated discussion between social media randos. But it's another thing entirely when the ENTIRE mainstream media apparatus has been working over night for years to associate all bad conduct and everything that is evil with the so-called "Right Wing", and now just arbitrarily declares whole swaths of people "Far Right" Alt-Right, White Supremacists, Nazis, etc., regardless of what their actual believes or political leanings are. Now ANYONE can be a "Far Right" Nazi just because the media declares it so, therefore it must be so.

I'm "Right-Wing" cuz I reject Intersectionality and was involved with GamerGate, even though I used to be a socialist, and still hardly agree with any actual "right-wing" policy positions other than 2nd amendment, which used to be a life-wing position (Marx was pro-gun) before Neo-Liberals started promoting gun control.

Where's the equivalent of that against the so-called "Left"? Faux News calling Obama a Socialist decades ago? ONE network in ages past using a term most people hardly associate with evil and some actually associate with good.

The term "Right-Wing" has come to mean "Evil". I've seen countless discussions with people who speak strictly on terms of "Left-Wing Good & Everything Righteous/Right-Wing Bad, Evil, Bigoted & Deplorable", and anyone who disagrees with them is "Right Wing". It's actually come to the point where Left/Right is viewed as a real life alignment system where Left=Good and Right=Evil. And why would any decent person align with "Right"?

This is no accident. It is by design.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #966 on: December 08, 2020, 06:21:14 PM »
Oh, it looks like we can agree on some things after all. Carry on then. ;)

Well I am tired of how posters here causal talk about endangering peoples lives as if it's nothing.

I am not completely unsympathetic to business owners. Only to those who tried to follow the rules the rest not all. Did they think that magical clicking their ruby red shoes together and pack the bars and restaurants and other similar places that they would be doing the favors in trying to keep the virus under control. in my neck of the woods the figure are very high. Some business owners did nothing to help reduce that. Short term thinking vs long term now they have to live with it.

I was supposed to get married a few months ago it's not happening and I am not going to do the dumb thing of having a weeding with cardboard cutouts in place of real people or TVs or monitors like they do say in Wrestling. I am not happy yet made of sterner stuff. I barely go out unless I have to do or do some exercise as my job requires me to sit down until the end of my shift. I am not saying become a hermit. Covid-19 or not they are fucking partying and nothing changes. Well don't whine and complain when the numbers do not go down in terms of cases.

Covid-19 sucks yet doing nothing is not going to make it go away. In any case I don't expect the posters here to change their minds nor will they change mind .

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« Reply #967 on: December 08, 2020, 06:45:44 PM »
Well I am tired of how posters here causal talk about endangering peoples lives as if it's nothing.
You endanger your kids by driving them to karate practice, instead of keeping them at home. You endanger the elderly in the nursing home by visiting your elderly relatives during a regular flu season. But are you going to keep your kids locked in a box, or ban people from visiting their elderly relatives? We make these kind of risk assessments all the time, and we always decide some level of risk is acceptable. Living life is more important than the illusion of safety.

And for kids, young adults, and most of the working age population, covid-19 is far less dangerous than the seasonal flu. That means it's just another background risk in the panoply of background risks we deal with every day. We shouldn't be shutting down businesses, because throwing sand in the gears of the economic engine kills people. And we damn hell sure shouldn't be shutting down schools, because if we've learned anything from this grand experiment in expanding governmental powers, it's that remote learning simply doesn't work. We're failing an entire generation of kids.

The people who are at high risk are easy to identify -- the elderly, specifically those above 60 or 65, and people with various cardiovasculatory and respiratory risk factors. But the correct way to deal with a vulnerable population isn't to lock down the entire world. It's to protect the vulnerable population. Something public officials generally seem to have no interest in doing.

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« Reply #968 on: December 08, 2020, 08:42:18 PM »
I was supposed to get married a few months ago it's not happening and I am not going to do the dumb thing of having a weeding with cardboard cutouts in place of real people or TVs or monitors like they do say in Wrestling. I am not happy yet made of sterner stuff. I barely go out unless I have to do or do some exercise as my job requires me to sit down until the end of my shift. I am not saying become a hermit. Covid-19 or not they are fucking partying and nothing changes. Well don't whine and complain when the numbers do not go down in terms of cases.

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« Reply #969 on: December 08, 2020, 11:36:20 PM »
The COVID-19 strawman BURNED today: https://www.startribune.com/johnson-touts-alternative-covid-19-treatments-at-hearing/573337141/
It is amazing, because I watched this. The pleading by this one doctor, with tears in his eyes, begging Congress to hurry the FDA on older medicines to SAVE LIVES just BURNED THIS MOTHERF#CKING PSYOP DOWN!

It won't matter though. Big Pharma wants MOAR DETHS!
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« Reply #970 on: December 09, 2020, 08:04:42 AM »
Oh, it looks like we can agree on some things after all. Carry on then. ;)

Well I am tired of how posters here causal talk about endangering peoples lives as if it's nothing.


Endangering how?  Not living their lives in fear, and ignoring bogus mask mandates?
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« Reply #971 on: December 09, 2020, 08:30:48 AM »
So because some of you either don't believe in Covid or want to downplay how dangerous it can be for the elderly I am supposed to stop following proper quarantine procedures around my mother and mother in law who are both in their 60s and my fiance Grandparents who are in their 90s because of your reasons and feels and carefully constructed personal narratives. Fuck that no.

I don't know if some of you realize it or even care your becoming as bad as the SJWs with the same narratives. Coming off as cold uncaring social retarded members of the hobby. I don' expect better from sJws I suppose I should expect the same from some here. You guys come off as nutcases. If it's not one poster stocking ammo to kill Leftists it's another who wants to hang them from trees. Maybe it's all bark and not bite and simply trying to be a social retarded edgelord. Still some of you are really starting to scare me some of you are not all there in the head.

I was going to invite some members of my gaming group to come and register here and two did lurk and they want nothing to do with this place. And it's because they are easily scared special snowflakes either. When members of the board come across as not giving a shit about others while wanting to murder those who oppose them ideologically it's not a very welcoming atmosphere. It's like that friend who is at the dinner table asked how his last date went and the response at the table is " I fucked her hard and threw her ass to the curb".

Before anyone says it I leave this board when I am damn good and ready so anyone who thinks of telling me to leave well don't waste your time. Maybe I need a break from this area of the boards as emotions post elects seem to be running high on both sides and with posters in general.

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« Reply #972 on: December 09, 2020, 08:31:37 AM »
People below 60 y/o have a survival rate of more than 99.9% and even old people have over a 90% survival rate. 80% of people who have it are asymptomatic. There's almost ZERO endangerment of other people for having the audacity of simply living your life rather than cover in fear indefinitely over the sniffles. You have a higher chance of running over someone with your car than passing over this flu to someone else and ultimately killing them with it.

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« Reply #973 on: December 09, 2020, 08:39:13 AM »
Maybe your all willing to take that risk I am not. I sure as hell am not going to run the risk of losing my finance simply because I refuse to wear a mask and follow at least minimum quarantine protocol.

Maybe you all live in areas where the cases are not high. We reached 2000 new cases in one day and that number is not decreasing it keeps increasing. It's one thing to worry when the cases of Covid are down and each day less and less are reported. It's the opposite in my area. I will not live in fear neither will I live assume I am immune because I have not caught it.


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« Reply #974 on: December 09, 2020, 09:06:43 AM »
Maybe your all willing to take that risk I am not. I sure as hell am not going to run the risk of losing my finance simply because I refuse to wear a mask and follow at least minimum quarantine protocol.

Maybe you all live in areas where the cases are not high. We reached 2000 new cases in one day and that number is not decreasing it keeps increasing. It's one thing to worry when the cases of Covid are down and each day less and less are reported. It's the opposite in my area. I will not live in fear neither will I live assume I am immune because I have not caught it.

It's as if people should make their own decisions based on their own circumstances. There's a notion.

If you're afraid of Covid, then do what you think is correct to protect yourself. But you can't herd the cats that are the general public.
Masks help and social distancing helps, but viruses never sleep, never get bored, never slack off. They just float around until they get in a cell and start making copies of themselves. The most sucessful ones make lots of copies of themselves. They're like little Terminators.

And yes, there is a lot of pushback because the virus has been politicized by both parties. Some feel the risk assesments have been overblown in order to push policies that are flawed and sometimes downright nonsensical and hypocritical.
Meanwhile, somebody has got to make the masks and gloves and hamburgers and push papers and do inventories. I was all for "two weeks to slow the spread", but that turned into six goddamn months, and the rent needs to get paid. We can't live on printed money and no one working forever.
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