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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 15968 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #765 on: November 21, 2020, 04:25:13 pm »
You're the one hyping up fear. You're just another flavor of anti-vaxxer.

Are you still an anti-vaxxer if you support vacines for other people?
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #766 on: November 21, 2020, 04:48:12 pm »
All the while the dishonest fucks just keep saying "the science shows it doesn't work" and leaving out the meaningful context because it doesn't fit their politics.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're ignoring all the studies that show masks don't work, in favor of repeating a theory that simply doesn't hold up, when we look at the evidence. At this point, there's a huge number of population studies that show an almost zero correlation between mask mandates and the number of cases, and from that standpoint whether wearing a mask protects the wearer or others is completely irrelevant. And you're ignoring the competing theory that the viral particles are aerosolized, and the studies that show how it quickly spreads though enclosed areas, almost completely bypassing all facial coverings this side of a properly fitted N95 mask.

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« Reply #767 on: November 21, 2020, 04:58:20 pm »
All the while the dishonest fucks just keep saying "the science shows it doesn't work" and leaving out the meaningful context because it doesn't fit their politics.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're ignoring all the studies that show masks don't work, in favor of repeating a theory that simply doesn't hold up, when we look at the evidence. At this point, there's a huge number of population studies that show an almost zero correlation between mask mandates and the number of cases, and from that standpoint whether wearing a mask protects the wearer or others is completely irrelevant. And you're ignoring the competing theory that the viral particles are aerosolized, and the studies that show how it quickly spreads though enclosed areas, almost completely bypassing all facial coverings this side of a properly fitted N95 mask.
It's OK, Pat. I know you don't (can't?) fucking read what I say. But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out.

But here, this is a recent one: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 05:08:32 pm by HappyDaze »

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #768 on: November 21, 2020, 05:02:05 pm »
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« Reply #769 on: November 21, 2020, 05:26:51 pm »
All the while the dishonest fucks just keep saying "the science shows it doesn't work" and leaving out the meaningful context because it doesn't fit their politics.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're ignoring all the studies that show masks don't work, in favor of repeating a theory that simply doesn't hold up, when we look at the evidence. At this point, there's a huge number of population studies that show an almost zero correlation between mask mandates and the number of cases, and from that standpoint whether wearing a mask protects the wearer or others is completely irrelevant. And you're ignoring the competing theory that the viral particles are aerosolized, and the studies that show how it quickly spreads though enclosed areas, almost completely bypassing all facial coverings this side of a properly fitted N95 mask.
It's OK, Pat. I know you don't (can't?) fucking read what I say. But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out.

But here, this is a recent one: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
That's a perfect example of confirmation bias. You find one narrow study that seems to support your conclusions, and ignore all the rest like the dozen or so I linked in an earlier post.

I could link another dozen, but let's try a visual instead:
https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1321177359601393664
If there wasn't a line on each graph, you'd never guess when masks were mandated in each of those countries.

There are some studies that show masks are effective, but a lot more that show they aren't. And the two major studies that show the effectiveness of masks (The WHO's study in the Lancet and the PNAS study) have been criticized as critical flawed, and the latter was formally withdrawn.
« Last Edit: November 21, 2020, 05:32:58 pm by Pat »

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« Reply #770 on: November 21, 2020, 06:14:14 pm »
All the while the dishonest fucks just keep saying "the science shows it doesn't work" and leaving out the meaningful context because it doesn't fit their politics.
That's exactly what you're doing. You're ignoring all the studies that show masks don't work, in favor of repeating a theory that simply doesn't hold up, when we look at the evidence. At this point, there's a huge number of population studies that show an almost zero correlation between mask mandates and the number of cases, and from that standpoint whether wearing a mask protects the wearer or others is completely irrelevant. And you're ignoring the competing theory that the viral particles are aerosolized, and the studies that show how it quickly spreads though enclosed areas, almost completely bypassing all facial coverings this side of a properly fitted N95 mask.
It's OK, Pat. I know you don't (can't?) fucking read what I say. But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out.

But here, this is a recent one: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6947e2.htm?s_cid=mm6947e2_w
That's a perfect example of confirmation bias. You find one narrow study that seems to support your conclusions, and ignore all the rest like the dozen or so I linked in an earlier post.

I could link another dozen, but let's try a visual instead:
https://twitter.com/yinonw/status/1321177359601393664
If there wasn't a line on each graph, you'd never guess when masks were mandated in each of those countries.

There are some studies that show masks are effective, but a lot more that show they aren't. And the two major studies that show the effectiveness of masks (The WHO's study in the Lancet and the PNAS study) have been criticized as critical flawed, and the latter was formally withdrawn.
Pat, you ignorant slut, I addressed your shit back in post #735. Your old shit is old shit.

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« Reply #771 on: November 21, 2020, 06:42:40 pm »
Pat, you ignorant slut, I addressed your shit back in post #735. Your old shit is old shit.
No, you didn't. You had one unsourced quote, and didn't address the bulk of the evidence. It's cherry picking. Again.

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« Reply #772 on: November 21, 2020, 07:20:24 pm »
Pat, you ignorant slut, I addressed your shit back in post #735. Your old shit is old shit.
No, you didn't. You had one unsourced quote, and didn't address the bulk of the evidence. It's cherry picking. Again.
Can you fucking read? I didn't make a quote in #735, I made a summary after reading all of the sources. It's not cherry picking, because the "bulk of the evidence" that you want to talk about isn't relevant to the argument that I was making regarding source control. You are trying to throw so much shit about masks not providing protection to the wearer up, but it's all totally irrelevant to the point I've been making since this thread started, you dumb asshole. You keep trying to conflate them, but I do not.

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« Reply #773 on: November 21, 2020, 07:41:13 pm »
Are you still an anti-vaxxer if you support vacines for other people?

Oh wait I can answer this one! Yes you are and stl of the worst kind. You see vaccination promotes herd immunity, not the stupid one of letting a disease ravage through your community but the proper one. Vaccination can't be done for many people due to health problems and sometimes just doesn't take. If enough people get vaccinated there's a drastically less chance of the disease being passed to these people. In short if you don't support vaccinating yourself you are a selfish cunt.

A goo example is that measles was eliminated from the UK but the brave actions of anti-vaxers managed to bring it back. These are people who want to take us back to the early to mid 20th century when we had a wonderfully high child mortality rate. Cunts.
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« Reply #774 on: November 21, 2020, 07:49:19 pm »
Pat, you ignorant slut, I addressed your shit back in post #735. Your old shit is old shit.
No, you didn't. You had one unsourced quote, and didn't address the bulk of the evidence. It's cherry picking. Again.
Can you fucking read? I didn't make a quote in #735, I made a summary after reading all of the sources. It's not cherry picking, because the "bulk of the evidence" that you want to talk about isn't relevant to the argument that I was making regarding source control. You are trying to throw so much shit about masks not providing protection to the wearer up, but it's all totally irrelevant to the point I've been making since this thread started, you dumb asshole. You keep trying to conflate them, but I do not.
I looked back, and it was Mistwell who had the quote, not you. So that was a simple mistake on my part. But you clearly can't read, because your summary missed the point of the studies: The bulk of evidence is that masks either don't work, or that they have a negligible effect. The distinction you're trying to make is only relevant to a few studies, like the one that assessed how many people who caught the disease were wearing masks. For the others, like the population studies that measure the spread of the disease before and after mandates, or the studies about the spread of aerosolized viral particles, it doesn't matter.

Plus, you're pretending that you're making some novel distinction that everyone else had missed. I was making the distinction that masks are more about protecting others than the wearer, much earlier in the thread, toward the start of the pandemic. Then evidence came out suggesting that masks might help protect the wearer, like the hamster study, and I updated my thinking. And then an overwhelming number of studies came out showing it didn't happen in the real world, leading to testing out new theories, and that's where we are now.
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« Reply #775 on: November 22, 2020, 01:39:11 am »
It is kind of surreal when I'm outside and get the snot-look from someone obese and drinking a half-cup of sugar, but is wearing a mask.  Because I'm not helping prevent the spread.
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« Reply #776 on: November 22, 2020, 03:43:41 pm »
It appears Waffle House has had just about enough of this bullshit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/waffle-house-ceo-slams-lockdowns-keeps-dining-rooms-open-2020-11

I'm thinking I might swing by tomorrow morning before work for an All-Star breakfast. Anyone wanna tag along?

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« Reply #777 on: November 22, 2020, 04:23:18 pm »
It appears Waffle House has had just about enough of this bullshit.

https://www.businessinsider.com/waffle-house-ceo-slams-lockdowns-keeps-dining-rooms-open-2020-11

I'm thinking I might swing by tomorrow morning before work for an All-Star breakfast. Anyone wanna tag along?

Waffle House? I'll beat you there and save you a seat. :)

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« Reply #778 on: November 22, 2020, 07:49:27 pm »
Watch it while its still satire.


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« Reply #779 on: November 22, 2020, 08:02:41 pm »
Are you still an anti-vaxxer if you support vacines for other people?

I absolutely support the sheeple getting the fast tracked, barely tested vaccine!

They can have my dose! And all Biden supporters can have a dozen doses each!



I guess if everyone else's kid is a flipper baby, your kid gets in the NFL! You would have thought we'd be a tad more thoughtful about rushing a drug into mass consumption based on the history of science.

Oh science, how holy art thou?
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I wonder if today's 60 Minutes has the balls to investigate the CoronaChan vaccine in the future as they did in the past...



I guess that depends who's President...