Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[HappyDaze]

When HappyDaze makes sure his "testing" center produces lots of "cases", he might get promoted next to a mandatory vaccination center.

Of course, that promotion comes with hazard pay and extra life insurance...

Rest assured that, despite your bullshit narrative, I won't be falsifying results and my performance isn't rated on how many positive results are detected.

[SHARK]

Increasingly stupid motherfuckers like Gavin Newsom and Lori Lightfoot, who declare draconian lockdowns and then wipe their asses with their decrees?

They're not stupid. They just know the majority will kneel and obey. It's become a game of "our leaders" flaunting the lockdowns and then watching the sheep beg for more lockdowns. We have a nation full of people begging for their own destruction, so why not give it to them?

Look at it from the Newsom, Pelosi or Bettlejuice perspective. When you know the sheep won't stand, why let your own "rules" get in the way of having a good time?

Greetings!

So true, Spinachcat! So many people are weak sheep! They yearn to be on their knees, gulping down jello.

Definitely a big difference between those who stand--and those who kneel!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Garry G]

Because of course people are washing their masks and hands regularly... Must be a wonderful dreamworld you live in, where people do all the things they are supposed to.

Your bacterial flora are under control when inside your body. Change the conditions on the outside, however, and it's a different story. The flora on your skin evolved exposed to the air, not covered by fabric. That's why some people suffer badly from body odour. You can get staph infections on your face where the mask is preventing proper ventilation, and Legionnaire's and other lovely things can breed in the fabric where you are repeatedly breathing warm, moist, bacteria-laden air into it.

Legionnaires Disease? Really? This is a piece of nonsense in that it's completely nonsensical. I believe the phrase is "bugfuck crazy". I worry about people like you spreading nonsense about some sort of pandemic of Legionnaires with absolutely no evidence. Why are you so scared of a communicable disease that you won't wear a mask?

[consolcwby]

My nephew tested positive for Covid and his family went lockdown.  During those two weeks no one else got sick and this is a tiny household of two children, one 18 year old, and my sister.  The chances of them not being sick is slim to none.  So my nephew retook the test and found out he doesn't have Covid and the first test was a false positive.  He just had a flu.  Seriously you can't trust these tests and it had been a month with still no Covid.

Yes, folks, false positives do happen. No, that doesn't mean that testing is worthless. It should be noted that false positives (and false negatives) can and do occur with every type of testing done. We don't abandon medicine just because it's not perfect.

Every year, thousands die from the normal flu. Question: Why is it only now that we are wearing masks? Wasn't the lives of millions of people over the last 100 years important? Why shouldn't we have all lived in a bubble since birth? Why stop all human norms now until those who profit from this misery tell the masses it is now okay to stop? And what about this: https://www.britannica.com/event/1968-flu-pandemic
Why was no one forced to wear anything back then?

The Answer: <Fill this blank in a rational, logical, and scientific manner discussing all relevant information please>

Hm... I guess there's no rational, logical, nor scientific answer to my question. So, I'll answer it:
No one was forced to wear anything back then because no one was looking to MURDER their neighbors. Instead, back then, everyone I knew (up until 1974) kept their front doors unlocked.
AMAZING THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE.
Now, everyone drink some more of that Kool-Aid! Whichever version you prefer. NO ONE is here is capable of changing anyone else's minds.
fnord.


And now for something completely different...
https://v1.nitrocdn.com/PtUefQrfncdsWOjilqcqdvGyQbUvpoWC/assets/desktop/optimized/rev-b452e67/media/bbd2930e3d1aac383aebf52f50803d88.EnMpJrBWMAQzEOM
Lmfao! Poor bastards! Australia is becoming more like Austria was 84 years ago!
Interesting juxtoposition:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/begins-orange-county-sacramento-el-dorado-county-sheriffs-will-not-enforce-gavin-newsoms-curfew-order/
https://twitter.com/WarTimeGirl/status/1329200974758633475
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/twitter-locks-tom-fitton-accurate-tweet-efficacy-masks-exposed-massive-danish-study/

[Spinachcat]

Spinachcat - I will try to explain again.

And again, you sound like an absolute moron but it is entertaining.

LA is wall to wall diaper sheep. We have idiots wearing masks in their cars because they love the shamdemic so much. Every store craps itself if you aren't diapered up. People here love their masks.

And what's the result? CASES! CASES! CASES!!!!!

But hey, the solution is to MASK HARDER!!!

And both of those countries have been doing *much* better both economically and in infection rates compared to both the U.S. and Europe.

South Korea and Japan only exist, let alone have an economy, because the US taxpayer makes sure China doesn't turn them into snacks.

Color me unimpressed that nations full of subservient conformists are excited about wearing muzzles.

[Spinachcat]

Rest assured that, despite your bullshit narrative, I won't be falsifying results and my performance isn't rated on how many positive results are detected.

The nigh-useless tests will do the falsifying for you.

Amazing how just last week Elon Musk had 4 identical tests by one nurse and magically, 2 positive and 2 negatives showed up. How many tests did he need to get the accurate result? 5? 7? 22?

So if a bazillionaire celebrity with the best healthcare at his fingertips can only get jackoff results from bullshit tests, what quality tests do you think your podunk center is using?

[cue HappyDaze "explaining" how his patients in Holy Podunkia are going to get better tests than what Elon Musk could access last week]

And your performance rating ABSOLUTELY depends on lots of CASES! CASES! CASES! because if you're not cranking out the fuel for more CoronaPanic, the funding for the "testing center" dries up.

But I have faith in you HappyDaze! You'll diligently spread baseless fear and false positives as far and wide as you can. Gotta get that primo position at the mandatory vaccine center!

[Kiero]

Legionnaires Disease? Really? This is a piece of nonsense in that it's completely nonsensical. I believe the phrase is "bugfuck crazy". I worry about people like you spreading nonsense about some sort of pandemic of Legionnaires with absolutely no evidence. Why are you so scared of a communicable disease that you won't wear a mask?

I note you dodged the staphylococcus infection reference. I'm not scared of anything, thanks, I just don't make pointless gestures for the sake of making bedwetting cowards feel "safe". I'm so unimpressed by coronavirus (less deadly than the flu) that I choose not to wear a mask and potentially expose myself to it. To date: no infection whatsoever, besides the usual sniffles (which would no doubt trip the PCR test as "positive" because it's a shit test).

Published in Nature this month: asymptomatic transmission is utter bollocks. In other words, there is no case for healthy people to wear masks.

[shuddemell]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

"In this community-based, randomized controlled trial conducted in a setting where mask wearing was uncommon and was not among other recommended public health measures related to COVID-19, a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation. We designed the study to detect a reduction in infection rate from 2% to 1%."

[HappyDaze]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

"In this community-based, randomized controlled trial conducted in a setting where mask wearing was uncommon and was not among other recommended public health measures related to COVID-19, a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation. We designed the study to detect a reduction in infection rate from 2% to 1%."

From your source:
"Limitation:

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others."

What I have said repeatedly is that masks are for source control.

[HappyDaze]

Rest assured that, despite your bullshit narrative, I won't be falsifying results and my performance isn't rated on how many positive results are detected.

The nigh-useless tests will do the falsifying for you.

Amazing how just last week Elon Musk had 4 identical tests by one nurse and magically, 2 positive and 2 negatives showed up. How many tests did he need to get the accurate result? 5? 7? 22?

So if a bazillionaire celebrity with the best healthcare at his fingertips can only get jackoff results from bullshit tests, what quality tests do you think your podunk center is using?

[cue HappyDaze "explaining" how his patients in Holy Podunkia are going to get better tests than what Elon Musk could access last week]

And your performance rating ABSOLUTELY depends on lots of CASES! CASES! CASES! because if you're not cranking out the fuel for more CoronaPanic, the funding for the "testing center" dries up.

But I have faith in you HappyDaze! You'll diligently spread baseless fear and false positives as far and wide as you can. Gotta get that primo position at the mandatory vaccine center!

You're the one hyping up fear. You're just another flavor of anti-vaxxer.

[Garry G]

I note you dodged the staphylococcus infection reference. I'm not scared of anything, thanks, I just don't make pointless gestures for the sake of making bedwetting cowards feel "safe". I'm so unimpressed by coronavirus (less deadly than the flu) that I choose not to wear a mask and potentially expose myself to it. To date: no infection whatsoever, besides the usual sniffles (which would no doubt trip the PCR test as "positive" because it's a shit test).

Published in Nature this month: asymptomatic transmission is utter bollocks. In other words, there is no case for healthy people to wear masks.

I didn't dodge staphylococcus infection, unlikely but barely possible, because it's boring compared to that exciting killer Legionnaires Disease which is coursing through our population by your account. I always thought that the cases in hospitals were due to ventilation symptoms but clearly it's all those medical professionals in masks.

[Garry G]

Wait a minute, this whole coronavirus thing is all a plot by Big Testing to rake in the big money from testing centres? That's take I suppose.

[jhkim]

And both of those countries have been doing *much* better both economically and in infection rates compared to both the U.S. and Europe.

South Korea and Japan only exist, let alone have an economy, because the US taxpayer makes sure China doesn't turn them into snacks.

Color me unimpressed that nations full of subservient conformists are excited about wearing muzzles.

That's completely off-topic to how they were successful at containing the disease *and* in restarting their economy. Your claim earlier was that masks don't work and indeed *nothing* works - we just have to accept all getting the disease, and shouldn't bother trying to take steps to contain it like masks or isolation. But it *is* demonstrably possible to contain the disease and restart the economy.


On the off-topic point, that's also not right. South Koreans don't obey their government - just three years ago, South Koreans impeached and kicked out their sitting president. They had a revolution in the 1990s where they forced a new constitution. As for being prey for China - Japan was kicking China's butt last century, until the U.S. helped China out. We demanded our troops be installed there - they didn't request it.

I'm so unimpressed by coronavirus (less deadly than the flu) that I choose not to wear a mask and potentially expose myself to it. To date: no infection whatsoever, besides the usual sniffles (which would no doubt trip the PCR test as "positive" because it's a shit test).

Published in Nature this month: asymptomatic transmission is utter bollocks. In other words, there is no case for healthy people to wear masks.

As I just cited in a number of references earlier, not wearing a mask is like coughing on people without covering your mouth. That isn't being brave - it's being an asshole. The mask is primarily there to prevent the wearer from infecting others, not to protect the wearer.

As for asymptomatic transmission, I think you're referring to this article.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

In a manuscript posted on medRxiv this month2, they report that the risk of an asymptomatic person passing the virus to others in their home is about one-quarter of the risk of transmission from a symptomatic person.

Although there is a lower risk of transmission from asymptomatic people, they might still present a significant public-health risk because they are more likely to be out in the community than isolated at home, says Andrew Azman, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, who is based in Switzerland and was a co-author on the study. “The actual public-health burden of this massive pool of interacting ‘asymptomatics’ in the community probably suggests that a sizeable portion of transmission events are from asymptomatic transmissions,” he says.

There is no disagreement that asymptomatic transmission exists. The only question is how important it is as a vector. Masks are only one piece of preventing transmission - but they're a simple and easy one. There is disagreement on how important masks are to help, but they do help.

[shuddemell]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

"In this community-based, randomized controlled trial conducted in a setting where mask wearing was uncommon and was not among other recommended public health measures related to COVID-19, a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation. We designed the study to detect a reduction in infection rate from 2% to 1%."

From your source:
"Limitation:

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others."

What I have said repeatedly is that masks are for source control.

Agreed, I never said otherwise. I was just providing one of the newest studies for context, make of it what you will.

[HappyDaze]

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

"In this community-based, randomized controlled trial conducted in a setting where mask wearing was uncommon and was not among other recommended public health measures related to COVID-19, a recommendation to wear a surgical mask when outside the home among others did not reduce, at conventional levels of statistical significance, incident SARS-CoV-2 infection compared with no mask recommendation. We designed the study to detect a reduction in infection rate from 2% to 1%."

From your source:
"Limitation:

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others."

What I have said repeatedly is that masks are for source control.

Agreed, I never said otherwise. I was just providing one of the newest studies for context, make of it what you will.

Fair enough. You didn't say otherwise, but several here keep saying masks do nothing but focus only on protecting the wearer (which is not their purpose) rather than source control (protecting others from the mask wearer).  All the while the dishonest fucks just keep saying "the science shows it doesn't work" and leaving out the meaningful context because it doesn't fit their politics.