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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 39077 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #690 on: November 16, 2020, 09:07:08 PM »
Pat you cannot expect honesty from Mistwell.  He has the TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

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« Reply #691 on: November 16, 2020, 11:25:17 PM »
Pat you cannot expect honesty from Mistwell.  He has the TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).
Lot of people here double down when factual inaccuracies are pointed out.

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« Reply #692 on: November 17, 2020, 08:02:42 AM »
Well, despite having a 'masks everywhere' mandate for over a month Ohio cases have gone up.  The solution is to mask harder.

The governor has changed the mask mandate.  It is now a state enforceable mandate because local authorities weren't enforcing it enough.  A new task force is being created to help with the enforcement.  There is now a group that will go around checking on places to make sure they are enforcing the mandate.

Also, all retail stores have to have signs on all public entrances saying masks must be worn and how to wear them properly (too many people not covering their nose) and a self selected enforcer of the policy at that entrance.  If a business gets caught with someone inside w/o a mask they, the business, get a written warning.  On a second offence the business will be shut down for up to 24 hours.  No comment on offences past that.  So now you not wearing a mask will get a place shut down.

Stores I've been going into mask-less for months have now denied me entry for not wearing a mask.  Even when I tell them I have a medical exemption (which I do) I'm not allowed in.  Glad I stocked up on food earlier because every grocery store in the area is now off limits to me.
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« Reply #693 on: November 17, 2020, 08:18:48 AM »
Well, despite having a 'masks everywhere' mandate for over a month Ohio cases have gone up.  The solution is to mask harder.

The governor has changed the mask mandate.  It is now a state enforceable mandate because local authorities weren't enforcing it enough.  A new task force is being created to help with the enforcement.  There is now a group that will go around checking on places to make sure they are enforcing the mandate.

Also, all retail stores have to have signs on all public entrances saying masks must be worn and how to wear them properly (too many people not covering their nose) and a self selected enforcer of the policy at that entrance.  If a business gets caught with someone inside w/o a mask they, the business, get a written warning.  On a second offence the business will be shut down for up to 24 hours.  No comment on offences past that.  So now you not wearing a mask will get a place shut down.

Stores I've been going into mask-less for months have now denied me entry for not wearing a mask.  Even when I tell them I have a medical exemption (which I do) I'm not allowed in.  Glad I stocked up on food earlier because every grocery store in the area is now off limits to me.
I would suggest threatening them with legal action, but most folks don't have that kind of cash to burn. Might try ordering groceries online for delivery.

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« Reply #694 on: November 17, 2020, 08:50:26 AM »
Welcome to my reality over the past year. No one allowed into any stores or venues without a mask. The lawsuit will be a waste of money as they can use the current crisis to not pay. As well if your going to court on has to prove the medical excemption and no "I don't want to wear a mask" is not one of them. Best thing to do is to order online. I knew as soon as they would start hitting stores and other similar business where it hurts in their wallets suddenly the same stores would reinforce the no mask no entrance policy.

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« Reply #695 on: November 17, 2020, 09:40:07 AM »
Well, despite having a 'masks everywhere' mandate for over a month Ohio cases have gone up.  The solution is to mask harder.

The governor has changed the mask mandate.  It is now a state enforceable mandate because local authorities weren't enforcing it enough.  A new task force is being created to help with the enforcement.  There is now a group that will go around checking on places to make sure they are enforcing the mandate.

Also, all retail stores have to have signs on all public entrances saying masks must be worn and how to wear them properly (too many people not covering their nose) and a self selected enforcer of the policy at that entrance.  If a business gets caught with someone inside w/o a mask they, the business, get a written warning.  On a second offence the business will be shut down for up to 24 hours.  No comment on offences past that.  So now you not wearing a mask will get a place shut down.

Stores I've been going into mask-less for months have now denied me entry for not wearing a mask.  Even when I tell them I have a medical exemption (which I do) I'm not allowed in.  Glad I stocked up on food earlier because every grocery store in the area is now off limits to me.
You (and almost certainly others) were not following the masking guidelines, and yet your first complaint is that they are not working. Your second complaint is that more strict measures are being put in place. Isn't that what you should expect when people don't take the personal responsibility to follow the instructions given? Why blame the ones giving the instructions and not those that don't follow them?

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« Reply #696 on: November 17, 2020, 10:31:50 AM »
You (and almost certainly others) were not following the masking guidelines, and yet your first complaint is that they are not working. Your second complaint is that more strict measures are being put in place. Isn't that what you should expect when people don't take the personal responsibility to follow the instructions given? Why blame the ones giving the instructions and not those that don't follow them?
That's not how it works. Measures like masks and social distancing don't require absolute compliance to be effective. In theory, they're about reducing the percentage chance of transmission within a population, not eliminating it. Widespread implementation should reduce the R0, whether or not some people ignore the mandates. If the number of cases flare up instead, it's an indicator the method isn't working.

Which matches the evidence:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20088260v1.full.pdf
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20049528v1

... I could post dozens more links. Studies suggest masks don't work for COVID-19 and similar diseases, mandatory mask mandates in numerous states and nations appear to be completely uncorrelated with changes in the number of cases, and compliance rates tend to be high. The highly influential WHO study in the Lancet that was a justification for many mask mandates around the world has been criticized for having critical flaws, and the WHO was caught admitting their own recommendations were based on political rather than scientific reasons.

The most common explanation for why masks don't work is a growing realization aerosolization is more important factor in the spread of the disease than initially assumed. Aerosolized viral particles are carried in tiny droplets, which are too small to be blocked by surgical or cloth masks, and spread quickly throughout a room. Which is why ventilation may be more important than masks.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa939/5867798
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/man-sollte-der-oeffentlichkeit-nichts-vorgaukeln-780632651447

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« Reply #697 on: November 17, 2020, 10:34:24 AM »
I was following guidelines.  Under the previous restrictions people with medical conditions were exempt from the mandate.  And it's not like I was going around flaunting it.  I went out maybe once every 2 weeks to pick up supplies and was in and out as fast I could, usually less than 20 minutes.  Now I can't even do that.

I was already set up for most of my non-perishables to be delivered regularly via Amazon.  I just need to find someplace that won't charge an arm and a leg of things like milk, meat and produce.

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« Reply #698 on: November 17, 2020, 10:55:52 AM »
I was already set up for most of my non-perishables to be delivered regularly via Amazon.  I just need to find someplace that won't charge an arm and a leg of things like milk, meat and produce.
A lot of groceries have pickup options where they bring it out to your car. You don't need a mask for that, and it tends to be more reasonably priced than delivery or third party services.

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« Reply #699 on: November 17, 2020, 09:50:05 PM »
Lockdowns! Lockdowns! Lockdowns! Keep the healthy inside so they become controlled and sick!
Welcome to Alex Jones' Wet Dreams. WW3 is NOT what you think...

I think this may help generate conversation:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/the-great-reset-this-weeks-world-vs-virus-podcast

Remember: I am just a Conspiracy Troll. So this is not PROOF! (If you think it, then it MUST be true - "I think, so therefore I hate!" -Someone, Somwhere)
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« Reply #700 on: November 17, 2020, 10:07:02 PM »
Lockdowns! Lockdowns! Lockdowns! Keep the healthy inside so they become controlled and sick!
Welcome to Alex Jones' Wet Dreams. WW3 is NOT what you think...

I think this may help generate conversation:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/the-great-reset-this-weeks-world-vs-virus-podcast

Remember: I am just a Conspiracy Troll. So this is not PROOF! (If you think it, then it MUST be true - "I think, so therefore I hate!" -Someone, Somwhere)
Didn't Justin Trudeau just fucking go on television to talk about this 'great reset'? Kind of hard to be a conspiracy theory when the freaking PM of Canada is talking it up...

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« Reply #701 on: November 17, 2020, 10:13:25 PM »
Didn't Justin Trudeau just fucking go on television to talk about this 'great reset'? Kind of hard to be a conspiracy theory when the freaking PM of Canada is talking it up...
The Great Reset has never been a conspiracy, it's always been out in the open. Here's the origin:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

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« Reply #702 on: November 18, 2020, 12:03:26 AM »
Didn't Justin Trudeau just fucking go on television to talk about this 'great reset'? Kind of hard to be a conspiracy theory when the freaking PM of Canada is talking it up...

The Great Reset has never been a conspiracy, it's always been out in the open. Here's the origin:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

Until I hear about it from the nice folks at MSNBC or CNN, IT IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY! (especially if it's true!):
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/world/the-baseless-great-reset-conspiracy-theory-rises-again.html
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/great-reset-conspiracy-theory/

The nice people on TV NEVER LIE! They all STAND! For what, I do not know.... :D
(I was joking on theory. I officially nominate it to HYPOTHESIS! But remember: The evidence, even if it exists, doesn't! It's where 4 went when you add 2+2! That dustbin, where reason now resides - so that feelings can reign supreme!)
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« Reply #703 on: November 18, 2020, 12:56:42 AM »
Until I hear about it from the nice folks at MSNBC or CNN, IT IS A CONSPIRACY THEORY! (especially if it's true!):
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/world/the-baseless-great-reset-conspiracy-theory-rises-again.html
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/great-reset-conspiracy-theory/

The nice people on TV NEVER LIE! They all STAND! For what, I do not know.... :D
(I was joking on theory. I officially nominate it to HYPOTHESIS! But remember: The evidence, even if it exists, doesn't! It's where 4 went when you add 2+2! That dustbin, where reason now resides - so that feelings can reign supreme!)
The NY Times article is bizarre:
Quote from: the NY Times article
The narrative first took root in late May, when Prince Charles and Klaus Schwab, the executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, announced plans to convene world leaders and discuss climate change and how to rebuild an economy damaged by the pandemic. The meeting was branded as a “Great Reset,” and the false rumors about the tight-knit group of elites manipulating the global economy took off.
Don't they realize the first sentence literally confirms the rumors they're dismissing in the second sentence? They're not even pretending there are crazy rumors, for instance something involving Satanic rituals or aliens. The only rumor the article mentions is that economic elites are planning to use the pandemic to exert economic control. Which is exactly what they said is happening.

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« Reply #704 on: November 18, 2020, 07:11:31 AM »
I am shocked, shocked to learn the NYT would lie through the their fucking teeth.

(Your Pulitzer for hiding the Holodomor, sir.)
(Ah, thank you.)

(with apologies to Casablanca.)