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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 39138 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #525 on: September 04, 2020, 02:36:57 PM »
Restaurants are the canary in the coal mine of the economy. When they start crumpling, watch yourselves.
Restaurants come and go all the time, it's that 60% number that has me worried. I don't think we have a good feel for how badly this will decimate the small businesses.

Isn't all this grand government intervention supposed to help the little people? Because the giants like Amazon and Walmart and booming, while the small businesses are being hammered. The rich are doing fine, while the poor are struggling even more.

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« Reply #526 on: September 04, 2020, 02:53:57 PM »
Secondly, there seem to be a number of otherwise fit people who are badly affected by COVID and who develop serious ongoing heart/organ issues. These people are likely to have it much worse if/when they catch COVID again. So there seems to be a significant number of people who will start healthy, catch COVID, become vulnerable and then die when they catch the next wave of COVID. I don't have the stats (I suspect it's not been with us long enough to get them) on how big this particular issue really is.
An absolutely tiny number of outliers. The vast majority of those hospitalised are over-65, suffering from multiple co-morbidities, and are overweight or obese. When looking at deaths, it's over 90% who have one or more of those factors.
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
That's the wrong question.

The number of people who will die or get serious long-term complications from sars2 is small, and almost entirely concentrated among the elderly. Those who have serious co-morbidities are at higher risk, but that doesn't invalidate the age distribution. Being fat and 30 means you have a higher risk compared to other 30 year olds, but only a tiny number of 30 year olds will be seriously affected, so the risk is still very low. It does not mean that that 30 year olds will start dying at the same rate as the elderly, just because there are a lot of fat people. It does mean the tiny fraction might increase a little in fat populations, and that among the tiny fraction of 30 year olds who end up with serious complications, fat people will be highly overrepresented.

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« Reply #527 on: September 04, 2020, 03:17:06 PM »
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
I live in the UK, I couldn't really give a toss about Americans. Similarly, strangers who don't look after themselves aren't really my concern either.
Utterly excessive and unnecessary laws restricting the freedom of perfectly healthy people at little risk concern me, on the other hand
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?


As an American with at least two of those 'factors' (over 45 and diabetic) I have this to say.
Kiero is absolutely right...It isn't HIS job to take care of me, it is MY job to take care of me.
I refuse to wear a fucking mask because they don't do any good and someone with more factors than I have supports this....Thanks Aunt Nancy!  ;D


My biggest issue is the fact that I have put on about 8-10 pounds since I can't go to the gym...but hey according to Governor Mikey, its to protect the people... ::)


...and I don't know how other people with health issues feel but I personally wish HD would stop virtue signalling for me.  I am an adult and I can take care of my own health conditions...or I can decide not to take care of them and die from diabetic complications.


...but that would be on me, wouldn't it?

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« Reply #528 on: September 04, 2020, 05:33:08 PM »
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
I live in the UK, I couldn't really give a toss about Americans. Similarly, strangers who don't look after themselves aren't really my concern either.
Utterly excessive and unnecessary laws restricting the freedom of perfectly healthy people at little risk concern me, on the other hand
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?

I agree! Those who would give up a little temporary safety for essential liberty deserve neither...or something.  ::)

Meanwhile, back in the real world, people have already been deputized into giving up their liberty to purchase the illusion of safety for a relatively minor subset of people. Yet somehow the question is why should those people already (presumably) enjoying their safety at the expense of other people’s liberty have to care about those people’s freedom? Muthafucka those people already effectively got their way (or at least the people purportedly speaking on their behalf did). This is about the people being sacrificed so that a relatively minor subset of the population can supposedly be saved.

Now I’m gonna get my fat asthmatic ass out for a walk—without wearing a mask! I’m not gonna keep my higher risk ass cooked up at home, racking up pounds and not expanding my lungs so I can become an even higher risk.

*literally walking out the door*

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« Reply #529 on: September 04, 2020, 06:25:04 PM »
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
I live in the UK, I couldn't really give a toss about Americans. Similarly, strangers who don't look after themselves aren't really my concern either.
Utterly excessive and unnecessary laws restricting the freedom of perfectly healthy people at little risk concern me, on the other hand
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?

I agree! Those who would give up a little temporary safety for essential liberty deserve neither...or something.  ::)

Meanwhile, back in the real world, people have already been deputized into giving up their liberty to purchase the illusion of safety for a relatively minor subset of people. Yet somehow the question is why should those people already (presumably) enjoying their safety at the expense of other people’s liberty have to care about those people’s freedom? Muthafucka those people already effectively got their way (or at least the people purportedly speaking on their behalf did). This is about the people being sacrificed so that a relatively minor subset of the population can supposedly be saved.

Now I’m gonna get my fat asthmatic ass out for a walk—without wearing a mask! I’m not gonna keep my higher risk ass cooked up at home, racking up pounds and not expanding my lungs so I can become an even higher risk.

*literally walking out the door*
You have a truly idiotic idea of what constitutes an essential liberty.

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« Reply #530 on: September 04, 2020, 06:28:34 PM »
I personally wish HD would stop virtue signalling for me.
This is theRPGsite, you dumbfuck. It's the mirror universe. Here, virtue signaling is ranting against public health and threatening to do violence to large groups of people that share some beliefs in common with the other. Well, you're not going to get your wish, bitch.

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« Reply #531 on: September 04, 2020, 08:17:56 PM »
The US with lockdown has passed up Sweden with no lockdown in deaths per million.


Seems lockdowns weren't that necessary.

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« Reply #532 on: September 04, 2020, 08:31:21 PM »
The US with lockdown has passed up Sweden with no lockdown in deaths per million.


Seems lockdowns weren't that necessary.


In hindsight.
I didn't mind "15 days to slow the spread", but what we have now is clearly politically motivated foot-dragging.
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« Reply #533 on: September 04, 2020, 08:37:58 PM »
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?
What happened to taking responsibility for your own life?
No, thats right the new narrative is that everyone else has to wear a mask to protect you.  Well except when you have an urgent need to go out with your 10,000 closest friends of course.
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« Reply #534 on: September 04, 2020, 09:40:55 PM »
What happened to taking responsibility for your own life?
Taking responsibility for your own life and taking on the responsibility of being a member of society are not mutually exclusive unless you're going for some IRL emulation of a chaotic stupid alignment.

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« Reply #535 on: September 04, 2020, 11:38:30 PM »
I personally stopped pushing my view on how people should act in COVID-19. If a person does not want to wear a mask then don't. at the same time don't get too close to me and make sure to wash your hands and follow basic hygiene. If I am standing in line and your breathing down my neck with no mask your backing up one way or the other. Either with a kind word or a swift hard kick or knee to the happy sacks. I am all for freedom of doing what you want during Covid-19 have consideration and respect for others. I don't have grandparents at home my fiance does and I am not putting them at risk for no one who can't follow at least basic quarantine procedures.
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« Reply #536 on: September 04, 2020, 11:44:20 PM »

What happened to taking responsibility for your own life?
Taking responsibility for your own life and taking on the responsibility of being a member of society are not mutually exclusive unless you're going for some IRL emulation of a chaotic stupid alignment.


The same people who scowl at the person grabbing a cig outside the bar will say this with a straight face while powering down a meal of 10 deep-fried chicken tendies slathered in ranch, a bowl of tapioca pudding, and a Diet Coke, after loosening their too-tight size 46 pants.


And after a while, they’ll be looked at socially as smokers are now, if lots of people have to take on unwanted economic harm to protect the Colonel’s shit-tier immune system.  60% of the US used to smoke. 


People were willing to do the unusual while data was collected on an unknown.  Asking for more isn’t going to fly on guilt-wings for long.
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« Reply #537 on: September 05, 2020, 04:20:16 AM »
Isn't all this grand government intervention supposed to help the little people? Because the giants like Amazon and Walmart and booming, while the small businesses are being hammered. The rich are doing fine, while the poor are struggling even more.


Just saw some Democrats on tv arguing that small business being good for communities or the economy in general was a right-wing myth, and that looting and burning down all small businesses would be the best possible thing for real communities.
 ??? :o ::)
I think your error is in assuming small business owners are little people. Poor people don't need small businesses, government is supposed to give them everything. Amazon and Walmart aren't "rich" they donate Democrat, they're part of the "good" elites who only think of helping the poor... or so I hear...
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« Reply #538 on: September 05, 2020, 11:50:06 AM »
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
I live in the UK, I couldn't really give a toss about Americans. Similarly, strangers who don't look after themselves aren't really my concern either.
Utterly excessive and unnecessary laws restricting the freedom of perfectly healthy people at little risk concern me, on the other hand
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?

I agree! Those who would give up a little temporary safety for essential liberty deserve neither...or something.  ::)

Meanwhile, back in the real world, people have already been deputized into giving up their liberty to purchase the illusion of safety for a relatively minor subset of people. Yet somehow the question is why should those people already (presumably) enjoying their safety at the expense of other people’s liberty have to care about those people’s freedom? Muthafucka those people already effectively got their way (or at least the people purportedly speaking on their behalf did). This is about the people being sacrificed so that a relatively minor subset of the population can supposedly be saved.

Now I’m gonna get my fat asthmatic ass out for a walk—without wearing a mask! I’m not gonna keep my higher risk ass cooked up at home, racking up pounds and not expanding my lungs so I can become an even higher risk.

*literally walking out the door*
You have a truly idiotic idea of what constitutes an essential liberty.

Muthafucka the economy's in shambles and people's livelihoods have been destroyed. All so that we can pretend that locking down the entire planet will somehow save a tiny portion of the population that isn't even guaranteed to die from this shambug. You have no notion of WTF essential liberty is.

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« Reply #539 on: September 05, 2020, 11:55:47 AM »
And what percentage of Americans have one or more of those factors? It's not an absolutely tiny amount.
I live in the UK, I couldn't really give a toss about Americans. Similarly, strangers who don't look after themselves aren't really my concern either.
Utterly excessive and unnecessary laws restricting the freedom of perfectly healthy people at little risk concern me, on the other hand
Not concerned about others? Well, fuck you then buddy. If you don't care about the lives of others, why the fuck should anyone give a fuck about your freedom, you 'perfectly healthy' asshole?

I agree! Those who would give up a little temporary safety for essential liberty deserve neither...or something.  ::)

Meanwhile, back in the real world, people have already been deputized into giving up their liberty to purchase the illusion of safety for a relatively minor subset of people. Yet somehow the question is why should those people already (presumably) enjoying their safety at the expense of other people’s liberty have to care about those people’s freedom? Muthafucka those people already effectively got their way (or at least the people purportedly speaking on their behalf did). This is about the people being sacrificed so that a relatively minor subset of the population can supposedly be saved.

Now I’m gonna get my fat asthmatic ass out for a walk—without wearing a mask! I’m not gonna keep my higher risk ass cooked up at home, racking up pounds and not expanding my lungs so I can become an even higher risk.

*literally walking out the door*
You have a truly idiotic idea of what constitutes an essential liberty.

Muthafucka the economy's in shambles and people's livelihoods have been destroyed. All so that we can pretend that locking down the entire planet will somehow save a tiny portion of the population that isn't even guaranteed to die from this shambug. You have no notion of WTF essential liberty is.
Bitch please, you seem to care about economy as an essential liberty, but it's based on mutual relationships and you've said you don't care about what happens to others. So basically, you only care about others in a parasitic way when you no longer can suck from them. Well, keeping sucking, you pathetic piece of shit.