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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 341582 times)

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« Reply #465 on: August 24, 2020, 09:54:06 PM »
Greetings!

The CDC says MASKS don't do a fucking thing. NO FUCKING EVIDENCE. Watch the video with Tucker Carlson.

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« Reply #466 on: August 24, 2020, 10:17:17 PM »
Quote from: Brad;1146317
Whenever flu season is afoot, I try to avoid anyone who looks sick, I wash my hands and use handsan, cover my mouth when I sneeze, etc. All of that is infinitely more effective than some dumbass mask that literally doesn't do much because people don't have the right kind (try finding them) or wear them incorrectly. Unless you're wearing an NBC suit, good luck avoiding a virus from some dude sneezing into a bandana. Masks are just optics; that's it.
Yes, you need a seriously hardcore mask if you want to stop someone from walking up to you and squeezing a nanoscale virus through one of the holes. But Sars2 doesn't travel alone,  it's suspended in droplets that are projected from your nose and mouth when you sneeze, cough, and speak. Those droplets are then carried in the air until they are precipitated onto a surface. So you don't need to stop the virus, you just need a barrier that aborts or redirects the airflow, or catches some of the droplets. This isn't perfect immunity, but that's not what we're looking for. The R0 is about lowering the odds of infection, and even a crappy mask works because you don't spray as much over anyone near you.

https://www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-measure/my-stay-home-lab-shows-how-face-coverings-can-slow-spread-disease
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« Reply #467 on: August 24, 2020, 10:19:28 PM »
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Yes, you need a seriously hardcore mask if you want to stop someone from walking up to you and squeezing a nanoscale virus through one of the holes. But Sars2 doesn't travel alone,  it's suspended in droplets that are projected from your nose and mouth when you sneeze, cough, and speak. Those droplets are then carried in the air until they are precipitated onto a surface. So don't need to stop the virus, you just need a barrier that aborts or redirects the airflow, or catches some of the droplets. This isn't perfect immunity, but that's not what we're looking for. It's about lowering the odds of infection, aka the R0, and even a crappy mask works because it reduces your chance of being infected and reduces other people's chance of catching what you have.

https://www.nist.gov/blogs/taking-measure/my-stay-home-lab-shows-how-face-coverings-can-slow-spread-disease

Counterargument: https://www.realhealthynews.com/swedish-dr-fauci-says-mask-evidence-doesnt-pass-sniff-test/
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

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« Reply #468 on: August 24, 2020, 10:27:46 PM »
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Counterargument: https://www.realhealthynews.com/swedish-dr-fauci-says-mask-evidence-doesnt-pass-sniff-test/
I agree with what he's saying: "But to start with having face masks and then think you can crowd your buses or your shopping malls--that's definitely a mistake." Yes, if you use masks as an excuse to crowd people together, you're probably making things worse than you would if you kept people apart and maskless.

Which is not a counterargument against the effectiveness of masks. It's a counterargument against stupid.

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« Reply #469 on: August 24, 2020, 11:13:57 PM »
Amazing how a bandana stops the megadeadly CoronaEbola, but Hanes + Levis have zero chance against a fart.

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« Reply #470 on: August 25, 2020, 10:46:18 AM »
In my neck of the woods, what I'm seeing is that the best thing the mask does (and maybe the only effective thing) is remind people to pay attention to keeping some distance, not rubbing their eyes, etc.  It even works on people not wearing the mask, because they see other people doing it!  Those hand made crochet masks with loops so broad that you fit a straw through them work just as well for that.

Since that's all psychological, you could get most of the benefits by wearing colorful wristbands or anything else that is a more forceful example of the old "tie a piece of string around your finger to remember to do something" trick.

In most stores, you could get 80% to 90% of that benefit by simply requiring the mask when going in and checking out.  Then just leave it hanging on your neck while shopping.

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« Reply #471 on: August 25, 2020, 12:13:35 PM »
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In my neck of the woods, what I'm seeing is that the best thing the mask does (and maybe the only effective thing) is remind people to pay attention to keeping some distance, not rubbing their eyes, etc.  It even works on people not wearing the mask, because they see other people doing it!  Those hand made crochet masks with loops so broad that you fit a straw through them work just as well for that.

Really?  Here in Soviet Canuckistan the masks are a sacred talisman that allows one to violate the social distancing.

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« Reply #472 on: August 25, 2020, 12:24:50 PM »
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Really?  Here in Soviet Canuckistan the masks are a sacred talisman that allows one to violate the social distancing.

Yes, we've got our share of Karen's, but they are a little restrained by the threat of a "bless your heart" comeback.  It's very clear that a lot of people are wearing the mask only the minimum necessary and as a form of politeness:  "I don't think this does anything, but if it makes that elderly couple in the store feel a little safer, no skin off my nose," kind of attitude.  I've heard many people say that in one form or another.  Also heard a lot of, "Do you want me to put this mask on?  No, ok, no problem."

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« Reply #473 on: August 25, 2020, 03:05:52 PM »
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Yes, we've got our share of Karen's, but they are a little restrained by the threat of a "bless your heart" comeback.  It's very clear that a lot of people are wearing the mask only the minimum necessary and as a form of politeness:  "I don't think this does anything, but if it makes that elderly couple in the store feel a little safer, no skin off my nose," kind of attitude.  I've heard many people say that in one form or another.  Also heard a lot of, "Do you want me to put this mask on?  No, ok, no problem."

That's pretty much my take on this. The elderly couple may not only feel safer, they may actually be safer. I've no idea how much, but even if the benefits to that couple are incremental, me wearing a mask in indoor public spaces is a tiny, tiny sacrifice to make for them. Not to mention, that elderly couple are my neighbours.
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« Reply #474 on: August 25, 2020, 03:17:45 PM »
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That's pretty much my take on this. The elderly couple may not only feel safer, they may actually be safer. I've no idea how much, but even if the benefits to that couple are incremental, me wearing a mask in indoor public spaces is a tiny, tiny sacrifice to make for them. Not to mention, that elderly couple are my neighbours.

Holy shit! A mature, responsible attitude towards masking--on the RPGsite of all places! Wow...

And thank you.

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« Reply #475 on: August 25, 2020, 04:10:17 PM »
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Holy shit! A mature, responsible attitude towards masking--on the RPGsite of all places! Wow...

And thank you.

Um...you're welcome....

Catching up on the back traffic around here I have a sense that you are now persona non grata and your endorsement can only be a rod for my back! LOL! But whatever. It does seem like this is being blown up into some kind of "Man in the Iron Mask" imprisonment when it is really so much less.

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« Reply #476 on: August 25, 2020, 04:43:17 PM »
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Catching up on the back traffic around here I have a sense that you are now persona non grata and your endorsement can only be a rod for my back! LOL! But whatever.

Fuck the reputation economy. Don't react to people based on what other people might think of you, and assume they are a whole bunch of things because that's what you've been told. React to people based on what they say, and judge them based on your own assessments.

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« Reply #477 on: August 25, 2020, 04:53:49 PM »
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Fuck the reputation economy. Don't react to people based on what other people might think of you, and assume they are a whole bunch of things because that's what you've been told. React to people based on what they say, and judge them based on your own assessments.

What I said. I'm not backtracking based on any "reputation economy." Just making an observation. To wit: you step out of line and suddenly you're an "SJW."

I'll concede, I'm still catching up, so maybe that's not a fair assessment. But so far, it's looking that way.

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« Reply #478 on: August 25, 2020, 05:31:58 PM »
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What I said. I'm not backtracking based on any "reputation economy." Just making an observation. To wit: you step out of line and suddenly you're an "SJW."

I'll concede, I'm still catching up, so maybe that's not a fair assessment. But so far, it's looking that way.

You seem to be arguing in good faith.  The HD, not so much.  That's the difference between a liberal and a SJW.  Worse, he's a SJW pretending (badly) to be a conservative.  I'll take honest disagreement over lying any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Besides, I'm not so sure that HD isn't the banned Trippy Hippy as a sock puppet.  There are a lot of similarities in their "arguments".

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« Reply #479 on: August 25, 2020, 06:14:26 PM »
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What I said. I'm not backtracking based on any "reputation economy." Just making an observation. To wit: you step out of line and suddenly you're an "SJW."

I'll concede, I'm still catching up, so maybe that's not a fair assessment. But so far, it's looking that way.

That's pretty much the kind of thing I saw and why I throw profanity, scorn, and ridicule at several other posters that think their shit doesn't stink. In reality, I'm easygoing and sensible, but around here, that's actually a poor fit for the tone of the site, so I decided to rebuild my character for this game.
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