Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[jhkim]

Something like 50,000 people die from the flu every year, yet the mainstream media didn't give a fuck about it until they realized that the Democrats were about to get crushed in the upcoming election because of the economy. All of a sudden we had these dubious models claiming that 2.5 million people were going to die in the United States unless the economy was shut down. It is upon this that the economic lockdowns and mask-wearing were based. When that was proven to be an outrageously ridiculous claim, did they suddenly say "sorry" and end the lockdowns? Of course not, they doubled down. It was just a flimsy excuse for crashing the economy.

If this is partisan U.S. politics, how does that explain the entire rest of the world? For example, South Korea had a massive campaign of mask-wearing and social distancing back in February before it was much of an issue in the U.S. Israel is one of the more right-wing world governments, and the Netanyahu government implemented lockdowns as well. The government of every country is struggling with covid-19, and in most countries, it's not a partisan issue of left/right the way that it is in the U.S.

I'm not even sure what your position is, actually, since your claim in the science thread was:

There is very obviously no pandemic. No one is sick. And yet people are walking around with their faces covered. In the middle of July. And there is no scientific evidence that masks protect against the flu at all.

Is your position still that no one is sick? If so, what do you think happened in Italy and other places in the world outside of U.S. politics that claimed to have many deaths?

The only opinions from the scientific and medical communities that matter are from those that are paid by politicians and those that are paid to appear on CNN and MSNBC. For all other scientists and doctors it's STFU because no one is listening to you.

The average person doesn't read scientific and medical journals and at best they are midwits

I agree with you that the average person doesn't read scientific and medical journals. But among the people who do read such journals, there is widespread belief that the pandemic exists. All of the medical and scientific professionals that I know are of this opinion, independently of any mainstream media. I've read this article, for example, on the effect of mask mandates:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662657/

Masks don't generally protect the wearer, but they reduce infections by preventing the wearer from unintentionally spreading. It's not a big effect, but it is significant.

[Ghostmaker]

Time for some link bombing. Have fun.

Fauci on masks:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-about-masks/ar-BB15zyW3
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/
https://news.yahoo.com/fauci-says-everyone-wear-masks-165031498.html

Fauci on chloroquine:
https://principia-scientific.org/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die/
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/fauci-hydroxychloroquine-not-effective-against-coronavirus-283980/
https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

Reporting Covid deaths:

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-says-government-is-classifying-all-deaths-of-patients-with-coronavirus-as-covid-19-deaths-regardless-of-cause
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/health-department-says-england-counting-anyone-who-died-after-testing-positive-for-coronavirus-as-related-death
https://canadafreepress.com/article/the-cdc-confesses-to-lying-about-covid-19-death-numbers/
https://cbs12.com/news/coronavirus/dozens-of-florida-labs-still-report-only-positive-covid-tests-skewing-positivity-rate
https://www.texasobserver.org/covid-19-tests-combine-texas/
https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2020/jul/20/hamco-virus-hospitalizations/527894/#/questions/2602258

So yeah. I have questions about just how legit this 'pandemic' is.

[Shasarak]

It seems to me that if there really is a Wuhan pandemic then the government would not allow mass gatherings of people.

[Spinachcat]

I'm pointing out that there are hundreds hospitalized with COVID-19 as an unbiased account, but also as a factual counter to those that say it's the same (or less than) the flu. Our numbers for those with influenza (of any variety) has stayed at < 40 throughout this flu season.

Since the gov't is foolishly and bizarrely counting who dies WITH the KungFlu as if they died FROM the KungFlu (aka, How to Make Bad Data 101), and we know hospitals are chugging down that tasty Medicare bonus gravy for every case, there is zero reason to trust hospital numbers anymore. Healthcare systems which were constantly being investigated for Medicare fraud for decades are now given carte blanche to milk the system so...no surprise they'd milk the system.

If the various incentives for pushing the Shamdemic didn't exist in healthcare and the media, it would take up as much time on the nightly news as black-on-black crime.

But we gotta make sure any remaining American spirit is broken!! Fear da sniffles!!!

And you MUST wear your face diaper, whether out of fear or submission. OBEY!

[HappyDaze]

Since the gov't is foolishly and bizarrely counting who dies WITH the KungFlu as if they died FROM the KungFlu (aka, How to Make Bad Data 101), and we know hospitals are chugging down that tasty Medicare bonus gravy for every case, there is zero reason to trust hospital numbers anymore. Healthcare systems which were constantly being investigated for Medicare fraud for decades are now given carte blanche to milk the system so...no surprise they'd milk the system.

If the various incentives for pushing the Shamdemic didn't exist in healthcare and the media, it would take up as much time on the nightly news as black-on-black crime.

But we gotta make sure any remaining American spirit is broken!! Fear da sniffles!!!

And you MUST wear your face diaper, whether out of fear or submission. OBEY!

This old shit again.

Ask FactCheck weighed in April 21: "The figures cited by Jensen generally square with estimated Medicare payments for COVID-19 hospitalizations, based on average Medicare payments for patients with similar diagnoses."

Ask FactCheck reporter Angelo Fichera, who interviewed Jensen, noted, "Jensen said he did not think that hospitals were intentionally misclassifying cases for financial reasons. But that's how his comments have been widely interpreted and paraded on social media."

Ask FactCheck's conclusion: "Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting."

Julie Aultman, a member of the editorial board of the American Medical Association's Journal of Ethics, told PolitiFact it is "very unlikely that physicians or hospitals will falsify data or be motivated by money to do so."

Now with some "Yes, But" to help the reality stand out from ignorance. Don't let the fools on social media shape your reality.

[Ratman_tf]

America's Frontline Doctors SCOTUS Press Conference Transcript

[SHARK]

America's Frontline Doctors SCOTUS Press Conference Transcript

Greetings!

Wow. A trainload of medical doctors--experts from all over the country--basically saying that Covid is fucking bullshit. Yeah, they have some medicinal treatments that can deal with the virus, kids are highly resistant, and people can choose to wear a mask or not. And kids can go back to school, and we can reopen our businesses, and get going. Keep an eye on things, be cautious, but the whole panic and lockdown is all a bunch of fucking bullshit.

I agree. These doctors are courageous to stand against the authoritarian mantra--wear a mask, shut up, and wait for a "vaccine."

Good stuff to hear!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Spinachcat]

This old shit again.

LOL. CARES act specifies a 20% bump on the American Hospital Association website.
Apparently, FactCheck.org can't match my 10 seconds on Google.
Creates a Medicare add-on payment of 20% for both rural and urban inpatient hospital COVID-19 patients;
https://www.aha.org/special-bulletin/2020-03-26-senate-passes-coronavirus-aid-relief-and-economic-security-cares-act

Healthcare is one of the most corrupt industries in America. I did headhunting for the senior care industry and we serviced assisted living and skilled nursing chains. Medicare "revisions" were constant after audits, every Director of Nursing Services and Administrator was hired based on their skill maximizing Medicare dollars, and let's not start on the crazy rampant elder abuse.

Nurses are the only true caregivers in hospitals (when not rehearsing for tiktok videos). Doctors can barely spend 3 minutes in the room before fleeing like vampires from the sun and each micro-visit is $350 or more. After my dad's final hospital stint, we got over 60 different bills, many from doctors who never saw my dad, but since everything was covered by Medicare, what was our incentive to spend hours on the phone reporting?

[HappyDaze]

America's Frontline Doctors SCOTUS Press Conference Transcript

The video that transcript was taken from has been taken down for spreading false and misleading information.

[Spinachcat]

The video that transcript was taken from has been taken down for spreading false and misleading information.

And everybody can watch it on BitChute!!!

[video]https://www.bitchute.com/video/HeC0tHZDX7dk/[/youtube]


Hello, I'm Dr. Stella Immanuel. I'm a primary care physician in Houston, Texas. I actually went to medical school in West Africa, Nigeria, where I took care of malaria patients, treated them with hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that. So I'm actually used to these medications. I'm here because I have personally treated over 350 patients with COVID. Patients that have diabetes, patients that have high blood pressure, patients that have asthma, old people ... I think my oldest patient is 92 ... 87 year olds. And the result has been the same. I put them on hydroxychloroquine, I put them on zinc, I put them on Zithromax, and they're all well.

The answer is simple. Do a review of her 350 patients to see if she's telling the truth.
If she's lying, yank her medical license.

[SHARK]

Greetings!

Wear a mask, shut up, and wait for a vaccine.

Going on 6 months of this bullshit now. Originally, the lockdowns were supposed to be for two-four weeks, so that we could 'Flatten the curve" and our hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed.

Now it's shut the fuck up, wear a mask, stay locked down and wait for a vaccine? There may never be a comprehensive vaccine. Even if a vaccine is developed, it might only be in 3 months, 6 months, or even longer. *Maybe*

So until then, everyone stays locked down, kids stay home, and people that do most of anything except sit on their ass in an office get to sit at home, unemployed. The elites and the fortunate tech people get to continue collecting a paycheck while "working at home."

How fucking nice. This is all bullshit. People need to get back to work. The chances of anyone that is healthy and under the age of 60 getting the virus and dying is next to nothing.

Sick and compromised people should stay home, isolated from everyone else. All the healthy people need to get back to work and make a living.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

[Ghostmaker]

I love how HappyDaze is blowing off all the contradictory data and opinions as misinformation.

It's nice to know he puts his information filtering trust in the hands of Facebook.

[RandyB]

I love how HappyDaze is blowing off all the contradictory data and opinions as misinformation.

It's nice to know he puts his information filtering trust in the hands of Facebook.

Sure sign of someone promoting the Narrative over and against the facts. That he discredits himself in the process is invisible to him.

[Abraxus]

The Vaccine if their truly is one is probably months away imo.

Myself just doing the quarantine basics of wearing a mask and proper social distancing when I can. Unlike some of you down in the USA they can fine us for not following proper protocol starting at 1000$+. In any case I see stupidity from both sides. Either being too paranoid about the virus vs thinking that their personal opinions are perfect shield means never getting sick.

Like I told someone complaining about business refusing to serve them I used the below image and just told them to reword American to Canadain

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[spon]

Greetings!

How fucking nice. This is all bullshit. People need to get back to work. The chances of anyone that is healthy and under the age of 60 getting the virus and dying is next to nothing.

Sick and compromised people should stay home, isolated from everyone else. All the healthy people need to get back to work and make a living.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hi Shark,
         you're right about the young having far less to fear from COVID (although we have no idea about any long-term effects - hopefully minimal), but how are you going to isolate everyone who is over 60 and vulnerable? Not all of us live in our own apartment/house. Lots of people share houses with the older generation. Or is it only rich people that get to isolate? Coming out of lockdown is vital but what do you about those who can't isolate but need to? I have no answer to that one.

Oh, and on the "flatten the curve", that was always going to be a long term strategy. If you are going to "flatten the curve" you need to do it until you have herd immunity or a vaccine or have ramped up your health services to cope. Anyone who said 2-4 weeks was deluding themselves (and others).

Cheers,
Spon