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Author Topic: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!  (Read 31932 times)

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #870 on: November 26, 2021, 09:46:55 PM »
Here are the Federal OSHA rules for the US vax mandate. Note: It does in fact include weekly testing as an alternative to vaccination. Weekly testing does in fact include the "spit in a tube" version.

Any idea of the false positive/negative rate of the spit test? Or how well it discerns between an actual infection vs viral remains for a previous infection? My understanding of the PCR test is that it is notionally run with a too-high cycle rate, resulting in a high false positive rate.
https://sentinelksmo.org/kdhe-quietly-reduced-cycle-threshold-on-covid-tests/

I have a colleague who had covid, and was told by the medical department (where we work) to not bother getting a covid test for the next couple of months, as he would continue to test positive for quite a while after he was no longer infected.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #871 on: November 26, 2021, 11:58:27 PM »
Here are the Federal OSHA rules for the US vax mandate. Note: It does in fact include weekly testing as an alternative to vaccination. Weekly testing does in fact include the "spit in a tube" version.

Any idea of the false positive/negative rate of the spit test? Or how well it discerns between an actual infection vs viral remains for a previous infection? My understanding of the PCR test is that it is notionally run with a too-high cycle rate, resulting in a high false positive rate.
https://sentinelksmo.org/kdhe-quietly-reduced-cycle-threshold-on-covid-tests/

I have a colleague who had covid, and was told by the medical department (where we work) to not bother getting a covid test for the next couple of months, as he would continue to test positive for quite a while after he was no longer infected.

More recent studies showed "Saliva testing for coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is as effective as the standard nasopharyngeal test." See for example McGill University study.

Most places out here have shifted to them, because they require far less supervision and even children can learn to do it on their own, seal it, replace it in an envelope, and dump it in a box. I've taken one and it is non-invasive and very simple.

As for false positives for "months" that doesn't seem to be a common issue anymore. Generally doctors can now more accurately read the tests to release as a negative within 10 days after your last symptom.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #872 on: November 27, 2021, 02:20:14 AM »
Even if children can do it on their own, you're not allowed. The mandate says you must take it in front of an secret police informer I mean authorized proctor.

Fortunately, Costco has a spit test with creepy video observation for $140, marked down to only $119 at the time of this post!
https://www.costco.com/covid-19-saliva-pcr-test-kit-voucher-with-video-observation-for-travel%2c-redeemed-by-azova.product.100706659.html

The cost of complying is small. Just $7,300 a year, or $6,200 at the discounted price! The discount brings the cost down to under half the yearly income of someone working full time at the federal minimum wage, so it's a bargain! At the minor cost of some minor pocket change you were going to use for non-essentials like feeding your children, and the sacrifice of valueless intangibles like medical privacy and personal dignity, you can retain a tiny shred of bodily autonomy. At least until they go back on their word, yet again, and force you to take the jab anyway.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #873 on: November 27, 2021, 06:51:29 AM »
Even if children can do it on their own, you're not allowed. The mandate says you must take it in front of an secret police informer I mean authorized proctor.

Fortunately, Costco has a spit test with creepy video observation for $140, marked down to only $119 at the time of this post!
https://www.costco.com/covid-19-saliva-pcr-test-kit-voucher-with-video-observation-for-travel%2c-redeemed-by-azova.product.100706659.html

The cost of complying is small. Just $7,300 a year, or $6,200 at the discounted price! The discount brings the cost down to under half the yearly income of someone working full time at the federal minimum wage, so it's a bargain! At the minor cost of some minor pocket change you were going to use for non-essentials like feeding your children, and the sacrifice of valueless intangibles like medical privacy and personal dignity, you can retain a tiny shred of bodily autonomy. At least until they go back on their word, yet again, and force you to take the jab anyway.

What?!? Brandon would never go back on his word.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #874 on: November 27, 2021, 09:30:02 AM »
All the tests are bullshit. Neither the PCR nor LFT were designed to be used in this way, and if you run PCR tests at more than 20 cycles, the results are garbage.

Most are using 40-45 cycles, which produces a huge number of false positives. Lovely little earner for all the politicians cronies running the tests, though.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #875 on: November 28, 2021, 02:14:15 AM »
Even if children can do it on their own, you're not allowed. The mandate says you must take it in front of an secret police informer I mean authorized proctor.

Fortunately, Costco has a spit test with creepy video observation for $140, marked down to only $119 at the time of this post!
https://www.costco.com/covid-19-saliva-pcr-test-kit-voucher-with-video-observation-for-travel%2c-redeemed-by-azova.product.100706659.html

The cost of complying is small. Just $7,300 a year, or $6,200 at the discounted price! The discount brings the cost down to under half the yearly income of someone working full time at the federal minimum wage, so it's a bargain! At the minor cost of some minor pocket change you were going to use for non-essentials like feeding your children, and the sacrifice of valueless intangibles like medical privacy and personal dignity, you can retain a tiny shred of bodily autonomy. At least until they go back on their word, yet again, and force you to take the jab anyway.

Its's covered by insurance. You know, the same insurance you're already required by law to have. We can of course rehash the Obamacare debate, but as that law does in fact exist, and if you cannot afford insurance it's subsidized, it's not an issue. "...all forms of private, public and self-funded insurance plans are obligated to cover the cost of FDA approved PCR COVID19 testing."

In LA, businesses and schools covered by a mandate contract with a testing company for weekly testing. Individuals pay nothing.

Some day, Pat, you will not talk out of your ass about shit you know nothing about as if you do know all about it because you did a quick Google search and thought that was enough. But apparently today is not that day. If you cared at all about the truth of things rather than thwacking your dick around on the Internet, you'd be a tad more humble on occasion. But we both know you won't be able to do that, at least not on this forum, and at least not when interacting with me.
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #876 on: November 28, 2021, 04:56:53 AM »
Even if children can do it on their own, you're not allowed. The mandate says you must take it in front of an secret police informer I mean authorized proctor.

Fortunately, Costco has a spit test with creepy video observation for $140, marked down to only $119 at the time of this post!
https://www.costco.com/covid-19-saliva-pcr-test-kit-voucher-with-video-observation-for-travel%2c-redeemed-by-azova.product.100706659.html

The cost of complying is small. Just $7,300 a year, or $6,200 at the discounted price! The discount brings the cost down to under half the yearly income of someone working full time at the federal minimum wage, so it's a bargain! At the minor cost of some minor pocket change you were going to use for non-essentials like feeding your children, and the sacrifice of valueless intangibles like medical privacy and personal dignity, you can retain a tiny shred of bodily autonomy. At least until they go back on their word, yet again, and force you to take the jab anyway.

Its's covered by insurance. You know, the same insurance you're already required by law to have. We can of course rehash the Obamacare debate, but as that law does in fact exist, and if you cannot afford insurance it's subsidized, it's not an issue. "...all forms of private, public and self-funded insurance plans are obligated to cover the cost of FDA approved PCR COVID19 testing."

In LA, businesses and schools covered by a mandate contract with a testing company for weekly testing. Individuals pay nothing.

Some day, Pat, you will not talk out of your ass about shit you know nothing about as if you do know all about it because you did a quick Google search and thought that was enough. But apparently today is not that day. If you cared at all about the truth of things rather than thwacking your dick around on the Internet, you'd be a tad more humble on occasion. But we both know you won't be able to do that, at least not on this forum, and at least not when interacting with me.
Jesus fuck, you've become quite the obsessive creepy stalker, haven't you?

Protip: Duckduckgo the "number of people without health insurance in the US" sometime. Or the "ACA exemption". Your gross ignorance should not be a point of pride.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #877 on: November 28, 2021, 06:38:59 AM »
There's no such thing as "free tests". Someone has to pay for them. In the UK it's every taxpayer, whether they use them or not (I never have).
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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #878 on: November 28, 2021, 11:42:35 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/11/26/gov-hochul-orders-elective-surgery-canceled-amid-covid-spike-omicron/

'Elective' does not mean optional. It means 'scheduled in advance'. As opposed to 'emergency', i.e. WE GOTTA CUT HIM OPEN RIGHT NOW.

Hochul's going to get someone killed with this, just like her buddy Cuomo was killing old people.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #879 on: November 28, 2021, 11:58:20 AM »
https://nypost.com/2021/11/26/gov-hochul-orders-elective-surgery-canceled-amid-covid-spike-omicron/

'Elective' does not mean optional. It means 'scheduled in advance'. As opposed to 'emergency', i.e. WE GOTTA CUT HIM OPEN RIGHT NOW.

Hochul's going to get someone killed with this, just like her buddy Cuomo was killing old people.
This is not the first time this has been done. It's not going to beget people killed, but it can certainly lead to prolonging suffering and a resulting reduction in quality of life. I don't approve of blanket cancellations of elective procedures far in advance when predicting a possible surge. It's different to suspend them when the surge is already confirmed (based on spiking hospitalization rate) and resources are unable to meet the immanent needs. For many elective sirgeries, hospital time is < 48 hours, and those beds can be cleared quickly enough. Besides, at this point, it's not like staff that would have serviced electives are going to be retrained to handle Covid emergencies, so it has a high chance of just causing unneeded idleness.

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Re: Imprison anyone who refuses the vax!
« Reply #880 on: November 28, 2021, 12:54:05 PM »
There's no such thing as "free tests". Someone has to pay for them. In the UK it's every taxpayer, whether they use them or not (I never have).

Yes, of course it is paid by the taxpayer. And yes, this is meaningful. But, it's not the point he was trying to make. He was claiming the burden of paying for the test was on the employee, and citing an obscenely high rate (I suspect intentionally since the actual rate was less than half of that and that's for foreign travelers buying it on a one time entry basis).

If Pat knew of any human being paying thousands for weekly testing, he'd say so. He doesn't. It's a scenario he made up he's using to scare people.

He knows of no employee somewhere who is oppressed by the State to pay weekly testing for refusing the vaccine. It's nonsense, and a situation where he knows zero people actually in that position. It was his way of engaging in a scare tactic he posts as a defense mechanism to avoid having to honestly discuss topics. We we don't need any more manufactured scare tactics with this topic.

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« Reply #881 on: November 28, 2021, 07:32:21 PM »
The mandate hasn't been imposed yet. They literally just published the wording, and the implementation of the mandate is being held up in the courts. Of course there are no examples yet, because it doesn't exist yet. But we can draw some conclusions, based on what we currently know. The conclusions I drew were the obvious, clear, and clearly intended results. After all, we have unambiguous statements by people like Jen Pisaki saying will be cheaper for people to take the free jab than to pay for all the tests, and that yes, people will have to pay for their own tests. Their stated plan is to economically bully poor people into taking the jab, because they simply can't afford the alternative.

Mistwell, since you've turned into a creepy stalker, you've lost what few vestiges of sense you might have once possessed. This is completely irrational, even ignoring all the random things you're making up about me.

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« Reply #882 on: Today at 12:19:01 AM »
The mandate hasn't been imposed yet. They literally just published the wording, and the implementation of the mandate is being held up in the courts. Of course there are no examples yet, because it doesn't exist yet. But we can draw some conclusions, based on what we currently know. The conclusions I drew were the obvious, clear, and clearly intended results. After all, we have unambiguous statements by people like Jen Pisaki saying will be cheaper for people to take the free jab than to pay for all the tests, and that yes, people will have to pay for their own tests. Their stated plan is to economically bully poor people into taking the jab, because they simply can't afford the alternative.

Mistwell, since you've turned into a creepy stalker, you've lost what few vestiges of sense you might have once possessed. This is completely irrational, even ignoring all the random things you're making up about me.

Of course it exists. It's just being done in locals right now, rather than federal. But we have mandates in the US and can see how they are working and being implemented, using the verbiage of the federal mandate as their models. LA has one right now. You don't need to pay for tests.

They are being subsidized by the Government. It's under a law called the The Families First and Coronavirus Relief Act (FFCRA), as amended by the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act. "Testing for the detection of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19...shall be free to the patient, so long as the federally-declared public health emergency is in effect. This protection applies to virtually every form of health coverage, including Medicare, Medicaid, and private insurance (other than some forms of coverage, such as short-term plans, that are exempt from much insurance regulation). Federal law also establishes a fund that will pay for tests delivered to uninsured patients if a provider chooses to seek reimbursement."

Your tax dollars are already paying for them. Which has its own issues of course, but it's not making anyone broke to be taking weekly tests.

Now if they change the subsidies to match the intent you claim they have, then you will have a point. I know of no proposed bills to remove the subsidies. Do you?
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« Reply #883 on: Today at 04:55:45 AM »
We literally have statements by Pisaki and other that they will pay. And given how they've progressively tightened the screws far beyond their original claims on nearly everything, it requires a staggering level of naivety to dismiss the concern.
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