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Author Topic: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021  (Read 51809 times)

Ghostmaker

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1410 on: Today at 02:59:39 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

And then if there is fraud, it should be treated as treasonous. After all, people have bandied 'treason' around quite a bit as a label for 'attacks on our democracy'. So we shouldn't have any trouble treating voter fraud as treason, right? It strikes at the core of how any kind of republic or democracy works.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1411 on: Today at 03:58:15 PM »
Actually, that sounds like nuisance lawsuits.

What reason, besides the results, does anyone have to doubt the validity of the election? 

Keep in mind that we're talking about changing the results of MULTIPLE states, each with different election processes and procedures and several of those states were 1) won by Trump in 2016 (no accusations of fraud at that time), 2) used the same voting processes in place in 2016, 3) had the election overseen by Republican election officials. 

If there was a single shred of EVIDENCE that something sinister had happened, YES, you file charges, subpoena witnesses, and investigate.  But to keep pulling people from their full-time job to keep answering an inquiry that keeps coming back with the answer you don't like is NOT how you handle things in a free society. 
When I say objectively, I mean 'subjectively'.  When I say literally, I mean 'figuratively'.  
And when I say that you are a horse's ass, I mean that the objective truth is that you are a literal horse's ass.

There is nothing so useless as doing efficiently that which should not be done at all. - Peter Drucker

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1412 on: Today at 05:21:56 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

In this case, Pullen is a living person and politician - and indeed he is the liaison for the audit responsible for communicating to the public. If the quote is a fabrication, then I'd expect that Newsmax or someone similar could get a quote from him denying it. Along similar lines, there was a supposed draft report that was spread around - and the Arizona Capitol Times (among others) reported Pullen denying the draft.

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The draft – published alongside a Gateway Pundit article titled “Arizona Audit Final Report Was Watered Down” – includes the line “based on these factual findings, the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable.”

“This is a fake document,” Senate audit liaison Randy Pullen said in a text message.

Pullen, former Republican Party of Arizona chairman, said “there was never a discussion about decertifying.”
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2021/09/27/pullen-draft-audit-report-calling-for-decertification-of-election-a-fake/

That there was never discussion of decertifying also suggests to me that the report does not constitute evidence of massive fraud.


What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

Fair enough. I agree that evidence of fraud should lead to criminal investigation and prosecutions. If those don't materialize, though, will that just be proof that the Arizona Republicans hate Trump and hate the truth, so they're covering up for Biden?

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1413 on: Today at 05:47:44 PM »
Part of the problem of 'widely reported' is that it's the 21st century of 'everyone knows this to be true'. And I like to point out that there are many things people 'knew' that just weren't so.

In this case, Pullen is a living person and politician - and indeed he is the liaison for the audit responsible for communicating to the public. If the quote is a fabrication, then I'd expect that Newsmax or someone similar could get a quote from him denying it. Along similar lines, there was a supposed draft report that was spread around - and the Arizona Capitol Times (among others) reported Pullen denying the draft.

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The draft – published alongside a Gateway Pundit article titled “Arizona Audit Final Report Was Watered Down” – includes the line “based on these factual findings, the election should not be certified, and the reported results are not reliable.”

“This is a fake document,” Senate audit liaison Randy Pullen said in a text message.

Pullen, former Republican Party of Arizona chairman, said “there was never a discussion about decertifying.”
Source: https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2021/09/27/pullen-draft-audit-report-calling-for-decertification-of-election-a-fake/

That there was never discussion of decertifying also suggests to me that the report does not constitute evidence of massive fraud.


What do I think the next steps should be? Court summons. Subpoenas that come with the addendum of 'if you ignore this, state troopers come to your house and arrest you'. Analysis of the missing equipment and documentation. Explanations as to why millions of files were wiped when there were subpoenas and official requests for said material.

Fair enough. I agree that evidence of fraud should lead to criminal investigation and prosecutions. If those don't materialize, though, will that just be proof that the Arizona Republicans hate Trump and hate the truth, so they're covering up for Biden?
The problem with decertification is that bluntly put, it opens a HUGE can of worms. One that, I might add, the Dems have been playing with for a while. I know some of you remember the sniveling over 2016, right? Faithless electors, etc?

Let's not kid ourselves that it wouldn't be a colossal mess. Pulling that trigger would be a rubicon crossed.

If action is not taken though, my assumption is that too many people want to 'go along to get along'. Don't rock the boat, don't upset the rice bowls.

Although I suspect the AZ GOP is not going to let up that easily. They seem to have sunk some hooks into Kyrsten Sinema.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1414 on: Today at 06:12:03 PM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.
I prefer my drugs to have human characteristics, just like those humanized mice in Wuhan.

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Re: LIVE COVERAGE of Rally for President Trump in DC! 01/06/2021
« Reply #1415 on: Today at 07:28:02 PM »
Livestock dewormer is a helluva drug

That's not an honest view on that particular drug. In fact it's doing serious damage to a reputable drug which was hailed by the Noble committee as saving thousands of human lives. I don't know why this one got politicized like it did, but it's a shitty thing to perpetuate it. Saying "It's not effective against Covid" is different from saying "It's just a livestock dewormer!" when it is definitely a human drug.
I prefer my drugs to have human characteristics, just like those humanized mice in Wuhan.
They'd rather have people die of malaria than give up their narrative.