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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 32676 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #780 on: November 22, 2020, 08:20:32 pm »
Are you still an anti-vaxxer if you support vacines for other people?

I absolutely support the sheeple getting the fast tracked, barely tested vaccine!

They can have my dose! And all Biden supporters can have a dozen doses each!

You dont need 100% of people vaccinated to get to herd immunity, and there are millions of Biden supporters....

Could have the makings of a plan.
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« Reply #781 on: November 22, 2020, 11:41:15 pm »
Are you still an anti-vaxxer if you support vacines for other people?

I absolutely support the sheeple getting the fast tracked, barely tested vaccine!

They can have my dose! And all Biden supporters can have a dozen doses each!

You dont need 100% of people vaccinated to get to herd immunity, and there are millions of Biden supporters....

Could have the makings of a plan.
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« Reply #782 on: November 23, 2020, 01:32:36 am »
Fauci the Clown already said getting a vaccine means you KEEP wearing a mask!

It's not the Onion, but CNBC might as well be.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/16/fauci-why-still-need-masks-social-distancing-after-covid-19-vaccine.html

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« Reply #783 on: November 23, 2020, 08:28:55 am »
Test the vaccine on the politicians first.

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If they die, we win.


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« Reply #784 on: November 23, 2020, 12:03:23 pm »
I didn't dodge staphylococcus infection, unlikely but barely possible, because it's boring compared to that exciting killer Legionnaires Disease which is coursing through our population by your account. I always thought that the cases in hospitals were due to ventilation symptoms but clearly it's all those medical professionals in masks.

Only the more extreme bacterial infection, on a whole spectrum of things which can be cultured in masks (fungus and mould too), because we didn't evolve to wear filthy rags on our faces. Medical professionals don't normally walk the streets and exert themselves whilst wearing masks, so stupid analogy as usual.

I also look forward to the rash of respiratory problems years from now caused by inhalation of mask fibres, especially from re-use of those shitty, cheap, single-use plastic masks. Some of which say they don't contain glass fibres!

You mean due to the NHS fuck-up of ventilating frail people and thus killing them.

As I just cited in a number of references earlier, not wearing a mask is like coughing on people without covering your mouth. That isn't being brave - it's being an asshole. The mask is primarily there to prevent the wearer from infecting others, not to protect the wearer.

I'm not ill, therefore there is no risk to anyone else. Same as was the case every year before this one when the usual seasonal viruses did the rounds. I "protect" others by not being ill.

And again, how is anyone protecting anyone else if they're repeatedly touching their mask and spreading their germs on their hands?

As for asymptomatic transmission, I think you're referring to this article.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3

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In a manuscript posted on medRxiv this month2, they report that the risk of an asymptomatic person passing the virus to others in their home is about one-quarter of the risk of transmission from a symptomatic person.

Although there is a lower risk of transmission from asymptomatic people, they might still present a significant public-health risk because they are more likely to be out in the community than isolated at home, says Andrew Azman, an infectious-disease epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, who is based in Switzerland and was a co-author on the study. “The actual public-health burden of this massive pool of interacting ‘asymptomatics’ in the community probably suggests that a sizeable portion of transmission events are from asymptomatic transmissions,” he says.

There is no disagreement that asymptomatic transmission exists. The only question is how important it is as a vector. Masks are only one piece of preventing transmission - but they're a simple and easy one. There is disagreement on how important masks are to help, but they do help.

Asymptomatic transmission is utter nonsense. It's unsubstantiated bullshit they trotted out earlier this year to hype up the scare factor. If you are not symptomatic, you are not ill and you are not contagious. Same as it has always been with every seasonal virus.

I find it incredible how supposedly intelligent people have invested in the idea that a strain of the common cold is suddenly the plague.
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« Reply #785 on: November 23, 2020, 12:58:24 pm »
I find it incredible how supposedly intelligent people have invested in the idea that a strain of the common cold is suddenly the plague.

That's all I need from you.

In the end you're just another pathetic anti-vaxxer. Supposedly intelligent indeed.
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« Reply #786 on: November 23, 2020, 01:56:56 pm »
Asymptomatic transmission is utter nonsense. It's unsubstantiated bullshit they trotted out earlier this year to hype up the scare factor. If you are not symptomatic, you are not ill and you are not contagious. Same as it has always been with every seasonal virus.

I find it incredible how supposedly intelligent people have invested in the idea that a strain of the common cold is suddenly the plague.

First of all, Covid-19 is not a strain of the common cold. Below is a comparison of the virus differences. You can read more in the source article.



Source: https://asm.org/Articles/2020/July/COVID-19-and-the-Flu


As for transmission, do you not believe in asymptomatic transmission in general? For example, do you believe that diseases like typhoid fever, HPV, or HIV can be passed by carriers who aren't showing symptoms? I think it is well established in other diseases, and I'm not clear why you wouldn't believe the evidence for it in covid-19.

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« Reply #787 on: November 23, 2020, 02:10:44 pm »
As for transmission, do you not believe in asymptomatic transmission in general? For example, do you believe that diseases like typhoid fever, HPV, or HIV can be passed by carriers who aren't showing symptoms? I think it is well established in other diseases, and I'm not clear why you wouldn't believe the evidence for it in covid-19.
Kiero is obviously dumber-than-shit on a flat-Earther level here.

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« Reply #788 on: November 23, 2020, 03:30:38 pm »
First of all, Covid-19 is not a strain of the common cold. Below is a comparison of the virus differences. You can read more in the source article.
No, influenza is not the common cold. It's the flu. Kiero is right on that point -- some of the members of the coronavirus family are part of the complex of viruses that can induce the syndrome we call the "common cold". That's one of the reasons why they think herd immunity may not require 60% exposure, and it also may explain why kids are so resistant -- the antibodies developed by exposure to certain varieties of the common cold may provide cross-immunity to COVID-19.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/people-build-immunity-coronavirus-common-cold/
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3

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« Reply #789 on: November 23, 2020, 04:23:27 pm »
Coronavirus's are not new, which is why we already have some resistance to even the lab engineered Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus.
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« Reply #790 on: November 23, 2020, 04:31:00 pm »
First of all, Covid-19 is not a strain of the common cold. Below is a comparison of the virus differences. You can read more in the source article.
No, influenza is not the common cold. It's the flu. Kiero is right on that point -- some of the members of the coronavirus family are part of the complex of viruses that can induce the syndrome we call the "common cold". That's one of the reasons why they think herd immunity may not require 60% exposure, and it also may explain why kids are so resistant -- the antibodies developed by exposure to certain varieties of the common cold may provide cross-immunity to COVID-19.

https://heavy.com/news/2020/05/people-build-immunity-coronavirus-common-cold/
https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2820%2930610-3

OK, fair enough. I spoke as if he was equating covid-19 with influenza, which was wrong. My apologies on that. I think I was conflating his with other arguments that compared covid-19 with the flu.

I agree that there are viruses within the broad coronavirus family that are part of the common cold, along with a mix of other virus families including rhinovirus and RSV. Nevertheless, I still think it is wrong to claim that covid-19 is a "strain of the common cold" (and thus not dangerous), or that asymptomatic transmission of covid-19 can't happen.

Covid-19 did not develop as a mutation of any part of the common cold. It is in a different genus and is thought to have mutated from animal strains. In general, viruses in the same family can have vastly different origins and vastly different lethalities. They are not strains of each other. For example, ebolavirus is of the Filoviridae family, which includes some viruses that are completely harmless to humans, and some with the devastating effects of ebola.

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« Reply #791 on: November 23, 2020, 05:44:59 pm »
Nevertheless, I still think it is wrong to claim that covid-19 is a "strain of the common cold" (and thus not dangerous), or that asymptomatic transmission of covid-19 can't happen.
I never said any of that, I just corrected a blatant error.

Nevertheless, I still think it's wrong to claim that the Earth is flat (and thus the Moon landing didn't happen), or that Hillary Clinton is really a lizard person.
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« Reply #792 on: November 23, 2020, 06:13:28 pm »
Nevertheless, I still think it's wrong to claim that the Earth is flat (and thus the Moon landing didn't happen), or that Hillary Clinton is really a lizard person.

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« Reply #793 on: November 23, 2020, 07:02:57 pm »
And again, how is anyone protecting anyone else if they're repeatedly touching their mask and spreading their germs on their hands?

They PROTECT no one, but they PROJECT their willing submission.

I love watching diaper idiots open doors or handle carts, fruit or goods in a grocery store that the person in front of them was just touching. The BEST is when they pull down their diaper to sneeze!!

If the KungFlu wasn't just the sniffles, we'd have piles of bodies in the streets.

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« Reply #794 on: November 23, 2020, 07:09:23 pm »
Nevertheless, I still think it's wrong to claim that the Earth is flat (and thus the Moon landing didn't happen), or that Hillary Clinton is really a lizard person.

If Biden wins, he's promised to scrap the space program so we might as well teach kids the world is flat, and it's not as if knowing the world is a sphere matters when the kids have gobbled down the rest of the laughable indoctrination in school.

As for Hillary, please don't insult our hidden Serpent Overlords. You're making Thulsa Doom sad!