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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 11123 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #570 on: September 17, 2020, 08:21:48 PM »
Nashville city government doesn’t want to confirm good news (link to Nashville local news network affiliate report)


https://t.co/HAEicSwYzc
Yeah. Saw that one this morning...
and then they wonder why we don't believe them and refuse to kowtow to their mask mandates.
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« Reply #571 on: September 17, 2020, 11:53:18 PM »
CoronaChan will continue until the people say NO.

Until then, there's only individual disobedience.

It's so obviously a political tool (and has been for months). I rank Trump allowing the lockdown to continue past Easter (or having one at all) as Trump's major failure, and sadly, after 7 months, the easily broken people of this country have become conditioned into obedience by the MSM's daily litany of fear.

His wrong decision might well cost him re-election, and with that loss, next up is the loss of the nation to the marxist's "re-imagining" of America.


But after seeing people driving with masks on, eating outside by moving their masks aside to shove food in their piehole, watching them panic about masks while the next moment they are touching doors, ATMs, cash and their face...does America even deserve to continue?

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« Reply #572 on: September 18, 2020, 08:12:10 AM »
CoronaChan will continue until the people say NO.

Until then, there's only individual disobedience.

It's so obviously a political tool (and has been for months). I rank Trump allowing the lockdown to continue past Easter (or having one at all) as Trump's major failure, and sadly, after 7 months, the easily broken people of this country have become conditioned into obedience by the MSM's daily litany of fear.

His wrong decision might well cost him re-election, and with that loss, next up is the loss of the nation to the marxist's "re-imagining" of America.


But after seeing people driving with masks on, eating outside by moving their masks aside to shove food in their piehole, watching them panic about masks while the next moment they are touching doors, ATMs, cash and their face...does America even deserve to continue?
Federalism works both ways. If Trump's not allowed to bring federal troops in to quash treasonous (and I use that word deliberately) insurrectionists, he can't tell states to stop screwing around and get back to work.


Unfortunate, but them's the breaks. The smarter states need to start loosening their lockdowns, but a number of governors have been enamored of the power of 'emergency declarations'. Hopefully the recent smackdown in PA will start bringing them to their senses.

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« Reply #573 on: September 18, 2020, 08:16:10 AM »
I rank Trump allowing the lockdown to continue past Easter (or having one at all) as Trump's major failure, and sadly, after 7 months, the easily broken people of this country have become conditioned into obedience by the MSM's daily litany of fear.
You’re succumbing to another media narrative here though; that President Trump has anything to do with the ongoing lockdowns or that he can legally stop them.

All the lockdowns are entirely at the state level; if you go to South Dakota right now they’re completely open (and never shut down). All the Feds did was issue guidance recommendations (which were not required to be followed, see SD) and those ended April 30th (yes, the Feds ended all shutdown recommendations over four months ago).

Federal law doesn’t give President Trump the authority to override state governments on state health laws (except via court rulings, which need to be initiated by state residents to have standing).

If things suck in California, that’s on Gavin Newsom and a state legislature unwilling to rein him in. In fact, when you look at all the places maintaining heavy restrictions; they’re all blue states/cities who are hoping for exactly the reaction you’re having; to blame the President for your economic hardship that the Dems are actually inflicting on you.

Red states are mostly open to varying degrees with most of the mask mandates and continued shutdowns coming from corporations (ex. Walmart demanding masking for entry... McDonalds and other fast food places still allowing only drive thru) or Blue cities in the Red states adding extra restrictions.

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« Reply #574 on: September 18, 2020, 12:34:43 PM »
You’re succumbing to another media narrative here though; that President Trump has anything to do with the ongoing lockdowns or that he can legally stop them.
I think he could. The Supreme Court has almost completely ignored the 9th and 10th amendments, and interpreted the commerce, supremacy, and general welfare clauses so broadly that there are no clear limits to federal power. More than that, a challenge would have to wind through the courts, so any resolution is months or years down the line. If a mandate was overthrown or curtailed, it would amount to an after-the-fact rebuke, rather than actually stopping an overreach. In the meantime, it would likely stand, because both the courts and the legislature have a long history of deferring to the executive during a crisis. For a similar example, look at how the CDC just ruled that tenants don't have to pay their landlords, nationwide. Which is much greater exercise of power, because it's a confiscation of wealth that overrides private contracts. And they did it just by putting a notice in the Federal Register.

But I think it's admirable he hasn't.

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« Reply #575 on: September 19, 2020, 05:42:42 PM »
You’re succumbing to another media narrative here though; that President Trump has anything to do with the ongoing lockdowns or that he can legally stop them.
Darth Cheney and Obama were happy to exercise questionable uses of executive power to circumvent what was generally understood as separation of powers, and Trump could have done the same.

I'm NOT a fan of the wild expansion of Executive branch powers that has occurred heavily during the 21st century because what can be used by one President can be expanded by the next and that's a losing game. But in the case of CoronaChan being used by the leftists to cripple America, that required Executive action to stop and now its too late. Small business shutdowns are heartbreaking and no surprise that consumer confidence levels are plummeting...and that could cost Trump his gig and cost us our nation. Manufactured crisis is the fast track to commie-town. 

And yes, Gruesome Newsom owns the California lockdowns...much beloved by most of his voters. Same with the double idiocy inflicted by Garcetti, LA's moron mayor and London Breed of SanFranSicko.

BTW, the Shamdemic panic level was/is high in LA, but I escaped it easily by spending time in the neighboring beach towns in Ventura. However, there's been a real creepy turn as the election is heating up to seeing Ventura getting equally dumb as LA, and friends from other parts of the state reporting a steady uptick in fearmongering, especially as evidence against the sham keep mounting.

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« Reply #576 on: September 23, 2020, 11:51:16 PM »
I have had the supreme joy of leaving a state with very little to no mask insanity (North Dakota) to one with an almost absurd attachment to masking... to the point where I can not even sit and enjoy a meal in a restaraunt (to be blunt, North Dakota's food culture is abysmal. Truly, epically abysmal. Decent steak and... nope, that was it. Decent steak. And I like steak, but... you know, a pika needs a little variety. I'd hunt small children for food, but, wait, that's just more steak at the end of the day, isn't it?)


Where was I?


Oh, yeah. So I was certain I would be arrested during my stay for basically refusing to abridge my rights to bodily autonomy and my right to not breath my own halitosis all day long, but as it turns out... my mom is in fact a full blown Karen, in addition to being a true believer on masks. Literally my first day visiting she was calling some business to talk to the manager about an employee who had been wearing their mask improperly.  I'll face jail over this issue, but...


So, spineless wimp that I am, I dutifully wear the pathetically pointless symbol of my submission to Big Brother every time I go out for coffee. 


There is no joy in enjoying my first Lamb Korma in four fucking years.  I'm ready to go back to 'what is this and why is it swimming in grease' land, where I can at least sit and eat my mystery casseroles and my excellent and mostly cheap steak in peace and without sounding like darth vader's wimpy cousin.
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« Reply #577 on: September 24, 2020, 12:36:56 AM »
There is no joy in enjoying my first Lamb Korma in four fucking years.  I'm ready to go back to 'what is this and why is it swimming in grease' land, where I can at least sit and eat my mystery casseroles and my excellent and mostly cheap steak in peace and without sounding like darth vader's wimpy cousin.
I live in LA where I have the world's cuisine all around. I can walk to a dozen 4-star restaurants by wandering a mile or two. But I'd FAR rather cook something at home or go on a picnic than wear a face diaper surrounded by CoronaClowns larping they're in an ebola movie.

BTW, lamb korma is easy to make. Stupid easy if you get the sauce in a jar, with some jasmine rice (as Amazon delivers to the Dakota).

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« Reply #578 on: September 24, 2020, 12:36:56 PM »
y'know... its not like I haven't made Indian food before.  I got an excellent shrimp dish recepie from a magazine twenty five years ago (so old it had Martina Hingis as the cover girl...) and I made it a couple of times, and later went to an Indian restaraunt that had more or less the same dish, name and all, and found I'd... done it right.


So why I haven't done this?  I dunno.. I keep getting hung up on my lack of chafing dishes, apparently.  Weird, especially since I've been eating it out of plastic bins in a paper bag because Olympia Washington (but not the suburb of Lacey... which no long has the Indian restaraunt I used to go to...) doesn't allow you to dine in.


So... thanks for reminding me that I'm actually a decent chef when I want to be!  :P
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« Reply #579 on: September 24, 2020, 07:01:38 PM »
(but not the suburb of Lacey... which no long has the Indian restaraunt I used to go to...)
Was that the place out in front of the Fred Meyer?

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« Reply #580 on: September 24, 2020, 09:54:36 PM »
Restaurants are still closed here, Spike.

And a lot of other stuff going on, too.

So... could be worse.
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« Reply #581 on: September 24, 2020, 11:58:16 PM »
(but not the suburb of Lacey... which no long has the Indian restaraunt I used to go to...)
Was that the place out in front of the Fred Meyer?




Yeah. I think its a jewelry store now. Luckily the place on 4th street in Olympia is still quite excellent, even though I have to drag my food an hour back to the house to eat it.... wasting money on the naan that way.   




Sorry to hear about Australia, Kyle. That's hard news.   Tell ya what: If you tell me what sort of food you prefer, I'll devour a plate in your honor before I return to the Badlands.   
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« Reply #582 on: September 27, 2020, 04:57:28 AM »
The front pages of most of our national newspapers yesterday were running the government's advert to download their coronavirus "track and trace" app. They can get fucked, like I'm ever doing that.

Absolutely incredible the lengths they will go to, to preserve the narrative that a seasonal virus that is of little threat to the majority, that has passed is somehow still a going concern. It wasn't even in the top 10 causes of death last month. There are only a handful of people hospitalised. But of course it's the second wave is only two weeks away...
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« Reply #583 on: September 28, 2020, 05:22:14 AM »
Absolutely incredible the lengths they will go to, to preserve the narrative that a seasonal virus that is of little threat to the majority, that has passed is somehow still a going concern. It wasn't even in the top 10 causes of death last month. There are only a handful of people hospitalised. But of course it's the second wave is only two weeks away...
Covid-19 reporting is often sensationalist, but that's what the news does about everything from terrorist attacks to fires. It's not like it's a peculiarity of U.S. reporting or politics - countries ranging from Israel to South Korea have all treated considered this an extremely dangerous disease.

Do you have a source about the top 10 claim? From what I see, the average deaths per day is still around 800-900 per day in August, which puts it at #3 or #4. For the year, it's the #2 or #3 leading cause of death. For it to not be in the top ten, the death rate would have to be less than 130 deaths per day.

Treatment and the death rate getting better, but there's still a ton of cases. I just found out this week that my ex-mother-in-law in Houston had a fever and tested positive, which made my son very worried for his grandmother. She seems to be recovering well, but she described it as very scary. I agree that it's not a threat to the majority, but there's millions of people at risk for it still.

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« Reply #584 on: September 28, 2020, 09:56:01 AM »
Absolutely incredible the lengths they will go to, to preserve the narrative that a seasonal virus that is of little threat to the majority, that has passed is somehow still a going concern. It wasn't even in the top 10 causes of death last month. There are only a handful of people hospitalised. But of course it's the second wave is only two weeks away...
Covid-19 reporting is often sensationalist, but that's what the news does about everything from terrorist attacks to fires. It's not like it's a peculiarity of U.S. reporting or politics - countries ranging from Israel to South Korea have all treated considered this an extremely dangerous disease.

Do you have a source about the top 10 claim? From what I see, the average deaths per day is still around 800-900 per day in August, which puts it at #3 or #4. For the year, it's the #2 or #3 leading cause of death. For it to not be in the top ten, the death rate would have to be less than 130 deaths per day.

Treatment and the death rate getting better, but there's still a ton of cases. I just found out this week that my ex-mother-in-law in Houston had a fever and tested positive, which made my son very worried for his grandmother. She seems to be recovering well, but she described it as very scary. I agree that it's not a threat to the majority, but there's millions of people at risk for it still.
I think one of the spooky things about Covid-19 is how unpredictable it is. Still, to me, there is something that does not quite ring true when people claim that certain attitudes are "unscientific", e.g. I have seen some old folks who refuse to wear masks unless they have to, people saying things like "they don't believe in science". To me, it is actually about values rather than data. It is clearly not the black death, nor even the Spanish flu. We make potentially decisions like driving every day. How much do we value the freedom to move about and breathe freely vs. the potential for catching or transmitting this disease? How many deaths are "acceptable"? (you could also add, how many people have died from the lockdowns, due to losing their jobs, depression, or people going nuts?) Clearly the old folks should be careful, but the conclusion you draw is actually pretty arbitrary. Different European countries have had wildly differing rules for handling it, and who's to say that they are wrong?