Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.

[Brad]

Hey, Brad. I'm glad that you want to support non-politicized science, which is a principle I agree with. In Post #436, I had some specific criticisms of the c19study.com site. Have you looked at those?

I'd ask that you look at the c19study page on Boulware et al, and then compare to the paper itself. There appears to be a serious disconnect, and I can't find the source of the graph or quote that they present. Can you suggest where c19study gets that graph?

I'm responding to this post with a simple, "Not interested in discussing it further." You have your head so far up your own ass it's not even funny. For a scientist, you have an EXTREMELY politicized opinion about everything; and it's worse because you're so deluded about it not being political. So, yeah, whatever, IDGAF.

[jhkim]

Hey, Brad. I'm glad that you want to support non-politicized science, which is a principle I agree with. In Post #436, I had some specific criticisms of the c19study.com site. Have you looked at those?

I'd ask that you look at the c19study page on Boulware et al, and then compare to the paper itself. There appears to be a serious disconnect, and I can't find the source of the graph or quote that they present. Can you suggest where c19study gets that graph?

I'm responding to this post with a simple, "Not interested in discussing it further." You have your head so far up your own ass it's not even funny. For a scientist, you have an EXTREMELY politicized opinion about everything; and it's worse because you're so deluded about it not being political. So, yeah, whatever, IDGAF.

Well, thanks at least for giving a clear answer.

[Spinachcat]

MediaBear is YouTube musician who's been doing great parody videos of 80s songs about the CoronaChan nonsense. He also did Safety Mask and I Wear My Face Mask in The Car.

[video=youtube;Sk-qqmlXlzQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk-qqmlXlzQ[/youtube]

[Spinachcat]

So...we still going to pretend HCQ is an "unproven drug" as it relates to mitigating Chinavirus problems?

Yes.

There are some promising candidates, but it's worth remembering that lengthy and thorough clinical trials for vaccines exist for a reason.

[video=youtube;uB6NmhOy4Io]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB6NmhOy4Io[/youtube]

The effects of influenza even with a vaccine is what's worrying me right now. We're soon going to be in the part of the year when healthcare systems are overloaded due to flu.

Can't wait for more TikTok nurse dance videos and footage of empty hospitals!

So yeah please wear your face nappy to stop spreading shit around.

Fuck that!

The fearmongers keep telling me that I'll kill everyone if I don't wear a mask, but it's been months and I still have neighbors!!!

Masks are bullshit and the China Virus has a 99.8% recovery rate. The face diaper nonsense is an amazing test to see how many people will submit to fear and obey propaganda.

As a student of Sun Tzu and Machiavelli, I bow deeply to China's Emperor Winnie the Pooh and our world's hidden masters. I hope they're reptilians!

I hope that it all just blows over and we can get back to a normal life.

It won't blow over until (a) the shamdemic no longer has any political value or (b) citizens force the gov't to end the sham.

Taking a look at New York City and what its liberal democrat leadership has done to it.

I grew up in the scary 70s NYC, but as a kid you don't have perspective. We'd hear gunshots, look around and go back to playing stickball and the girls would return to their sidewalk teaparty. We found dead bums twice, saw lots of chalk outlines, and dodged out of the street when the cops and ambulances would go flying past. [the street is where the stickball field was located]

NYC will become interesting because Comrade DeBlasio doesn't leave until after December 31, 2021 and he's full tilt lunatic at this point with zero incentive to not overdrive his far left agenda. If Trump wins re-election, he'll support the post-election riots and when the Fentanyl Floyd trial goes sideways, he'll support the BLM 2: Fire Bomb Boogaloo, plus he'll do the 2nd Wave CoronaHoax to the max so by the time he's done, Paul Joseph Watson will have to do another video called "New York is a Double Mega Shithole!" But this is what New Yorkers voted for. Just like every other leftist city.

Of course, the exodus of NYC wealth will accelerate, and that will cause its own cascade of disasters. AKA, "trickle down economics" isn't "nice", but its vital to most major cities.

And that's fine. It just means NYC will be the hot spot for rebuilding and reinvestment in the 2030s.

[Steven Mitchell]

And that's fine. It just means NYC will be the hot spot for rebuilding and reinvestment in the 2030s.

If they are "lucky".  If not, they'll go the Detroit route, and it will take them 50 years to even start pulling their heads out of their collective asses.

[Brad]

Well, thanks at least for giving a clear answer.

https://youtu.be/x5u-lJNsO7A?t=4420

https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/harvey_risch/

Going back on my statement somewhat and apologizing; I realize you were trying to be honest here (and I was drunk when I posted that...it was a long week). Watch that video (about the 1:30 mark, the link has the time queued up) and tell me you think this whole thing isn't political theater. Dr. Risch is literally putting his entire career in jeopardy to expose the bullshit being passed off as "science". He also gives some interesting info about Saint Fauci...

Also RE: masks - https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1297551231620194304

So yeah...total bullshit.

Bonus content: https://twitter.com/Politi_Chatter/status/1297315324895932416

[Pat]

For those who are interested in herd immunity, why we may have reached it ahead of expectations, and why there's a good chance there won't be a second wave in the more heavily affected areas:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v3
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160762v1
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6505/846?_ga=2.106785153.3660080.1597510732-1307329675.1597510732
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/52/7/911/299077
https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-tricky-math-of-covid-19-herd-immunity-20200630/

Quick answer: Heterogeneity. The models that predicted herd immunity would be reached at 60–70% assume everyone in the population is equally susceptible to the disease, which is not how diseases work. Different people have different levels of susceptibility, and those who are easier to infect tend to get the disease earlier, meaning the remaining population gets more and more and more resistant. Estimates and models that account for this range from about 40%, down to 20% or lower. If the latter is correct, places like the UK and NYC have probably reached it. An additional note is this is affected by population and circumstances as well (anything that changes the R0), so places or populations with lower risk, like rural or humid areas, will reach herd immunity even sooner.

[jhkim]

Hi, Brad. Thanks for continuing discussion. I did still want to address my concerns about the site c13study.com, though. Did you look at both the paper and the c13study page I linked? That seems like a big discrepancy. If you're just dropping the point, then it feels like you're just ignoring what I say, and if I find fault in your next source, you could just drop that and pick up another. Do you still feel that the c13study.com site is reliable? Where do they get that graph and quote?

https://youtu.be/x5u-lJNsO7A?t=4420

https://medicine.yale.edu/profile/harvey_risch/

Going back on my statement somewhat and apologizing; I realize you were trying to be honest here (and I was drunk when I posted that...it was a long week). Watch that video (about the 1:30 mark, the link has the time queued up) and tell me you think this whole thing isn't political theater. Dr. Risch is literally putting his entire career in jeopardy to expose the bullshit being passed off as "science". He also gives some interesting info about Saint Fauci...

I watched briefly, but now the video has been taken down off of Youtube. I'm willing to watch it and give feedback if it is hosted somewhere else, but I didn't note down the exact title for further search.

Also RE: masks - https://mobile.twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1297551231620194304

So yeah...total bullshit.

I don't get that conclusion from the text. The Tweet is showing text from this page:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/public-health-recommendations.html

Below is the text which was highlighted in the Tweet. The bold section is my emphasis.

While research indicates masks may help those who are infected from spreading the infection, there is less information regarding whether masks offer any protection for a contact exposed to a symptomatic or asymptomatic patient. Therefore, the determination of close contact should be made irrespective of whether the person with COVID-19 or the contact was wearing a mask. Because the general public has not received training on proper selection and use of respiratory PPE, it cannot be certain whether respiratory PPE worn during contact with an individual with COVID-19 infection protected them from exposure.

So what this is saying is that masks can help prevent spread, but they are not a sure thing. Rather, they reduce chances fractionally. Further, masks are often misused - like not covering one's nose, for example, which I frequently see in my area.

[HappyDaze]

So what this is saying is that masks can help prevent spread, but they are not a sure thing. Rather, they reduce chances fractionally. Further, masks are often misused - like not covering one's nose, for example, which I frequently see in my area.

Amazing how many gamers will push for every +5% bonus in a game but not in real life.

[Pat]

Amazing how many gamers will push for every +5% bonus in a game but not in real life.

Real life is a bit more visceral than fantasyland. Wearing heavy armor 24/7 is a lot less appealing when the player has to wear heavy armor, same with something like masks.

[HappyDaze]

Real life is a bit more visceral than fantasyland. Wearing heavy armor 24/7 is a lot less appealing when the player has to wear heavy armor, same with something like masks.

Good lord, what the fuck kind of mask are you wearing that equates to heavy armor?

[Pat]

Good lord, what the fuck kind of mask are you wearing that equates to heavy armor?

Is there a facepalm emoji?

[Shasarak]

Good lord, what the fuck kind of mask are you wearing that equates to heavy armor?

The fucking good kind that normies are not allowed to buy.

You know, the kind that actually can filter virus particles.

[Spinachcat]

If they are "lucky".  If not, they'll go the Detroit route, and it will take them 50 years to even start pulling their heads out of their collective asses.

NYC cycles faster because its the major Atlantic port, national finance center and has 500 years of history and myth. It's a great example of the concept of "Good Times makes Weak Men, Weak Men make Bad Times, Bad Times make Strong Men, Strong Men make Good Times" and the cycle continues.

And yes, I said MEN because MEN drive civilization. When the Strong Men arise from the coming Bad Times, you can bet there will be a reckoning for feminism. Feminism, SJWism, constant crying about microaggressions, etc can only exist in Good Times.

Amazing how many gamers will push for every +5% bonus in a game but not in real life.

You have discovered the fabled MASK OF COVID!!! It grants you +1 save vs. minor disease, but your PC now has Disadvantage to all INT and WIS rolls.

[Brad]

So what this is saying is that masks can help prevent spread, but they are not a sure thing. Rather, they reduce chances fractionally. Further, masks are often misused - like not covering one's nose, for example, which I frequently see in my area.

Whenever flu season is afoot, I try to avoid anyone who looks sick, I wash my hands and use handsan, cover my mouth when I sneeze, etc. All of that is infinitely more effective than some dumbass mask that literally doesn't do much because people don't have the right kind (try finding them) or wear them incorrectly. Unless you're wearing an NBC suit, good luck avoiding a virus from some dude sneezing into a bandana. Masks are just optics; that's it.

RE: video
https://www.bitchute.com/video/6TSA46UvJWSH/

Starts at about 20 minutes in. That directly addresses the first part of your post.