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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 10885 times)

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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2020, 06:36:19 PM »
In central Florida cases are rising pretty quickly and the numbers hospitalized are increasing too. There is again some talk of restricting elective procedures (which is murderous on healthcare finances) but beyond that, we are already seeing a lot of patients cancelling surgeries and appointments (pre-op, post-op, follow-up/recheck, and therapy). So we have the back and forth of health issue/economic issue playing at each other. What's really odd to me is that some of the progress that was made on increasing accessibility through telemedicine visits has lost ground when it should be on the rise. For too many people, if they can't do a live visit (currently because they choose not to) they'd rather just cancel than have a telehealth visit.

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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2020, 07:38:44 PM »
Quote from: Brad;1137466
https://www.dailywire.com/news/fatality-rate-plunges-as-cdc-director-says-covid-cases-likely-10x-higher/

Uh huh...

I'm not speculating on fatality rates; I'm mentioning the steadily increasing numbers that have been hospitalized over the last month. These are people experiencing significant (but not necessarily life-threatening) cases. For these people, COVID-19 is going to hit them in their health while also having a direct (i.e., the cost of hospitalization) and possibly indirect (i.e., lost wages) financial impact. Thankfully the number of cases requiring ICU and ventilators is not rising at the same rate.

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« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2020, 12:14:42 AM »
I'm looking forward to the Shutdown 2: Corona Boogaloo because it was a blast racing on the empty LA freeways and having the beaches and parks to ourselves. I wonder how many people are going to submit a second time. Judging from all the people diligently wearing face diapers, I expect its gonna be a Karenfest.


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« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2020, 09:28:14 AM »
Fresh off getting poked by the gracious host (I deserved it; bad choice of words on my part elsethread), let's go for the gusto here!

Let's talk about Surgisphere, shall we?

The Lancet, to much ballyhoo and left-leaning media cheering, publishes a study showing, purportedly, that the 'cocktail' (hydroxylchloroquine + zinc and something else I can't remember) isn't effective against Covid-19. Much hooting and sneering from the peanut gallery, since U.S. President Trump had suggested it as a possible treatment.

Skip ahead a week or two, and people start asking -questions- about the Lancet study. Turns out their data comes from a org called 'Surgisphere', whose origins seem... kinda murky. Anyone familiar with climate change shenanigans is probably getting a funny sense of deja vu.

And then Surgisphere just ... vanishes, as though they'd been crafted for one role and were no longer needed, especially with people asking why their science advisor was a SF/F author. The Lancet retracts their study, but the damage is done.

So the question is, cui bono? Who profits? Certainly Trump's political enemies (which covers most of the left side of the spectrum). There's also been questions about money raised; a competing treatment, Remdesivir, would be far more expensive and lucrative than the HCQ cocktail.

So, who's up for signing onto that mission to colonize Mars? Cause I gotta tell you, clown world is losing its charm.

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« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2020, 09:48:23 AM »
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I'm not speculating on fatality rates; I'm mentioning the steadily increasing numbers that have been hospitalized over the last month. These are people experiencing significant (but not necessarily life-threatening) cases. For these people, COVID-19 is going to hit them in their health while also having a direct (i.e., the cost of hospitalization) and possibly indirect (i.e., lost wages) financial impact. Thankfully the number of cases requiring ICU and ventilators is not rising at the same rate.

People get sick all the time and it impacts them financially; this bullshit is literally causing businesses to cease operations because if one person gets sick, EVERYONE has to stay home. A bunch of restaurants in town have open and closed multiple times because some PT worker tested positive. Some of them are now closed permanently. All for a fucking lie. I have seen videos of city council members saying they will ASSUME that if a person is positive, there must be at least 7 - 15 more cases due to the inevitable contact with others.

Anyone who thinks this is a real has been living under a rock or is literally retarded. Has there EVER been a "pandemic" in history where well people are told to stay home? How does that even make any sense? You quarantine sick people.

I'm so frustrated with this crap...also, no mask ever. Went to the grocery store yesterday, they had signs, walked right in and bought shit, no one said a single word to me. You can do it too.

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« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2020, 11:13:35 AM »
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Anyone who thinks this is a real has been living under a rock or is literally retarded. Has there EVER been a "pandemic" in history where well people are told to stay home? How does that even make any sense? You quarantine sick people.

It has a century since we've had a pandemic considered this bad, but quarantining the healthy was a well-documented measure in history. Many cities implemented similar restrictions for the Spanish Flu outbreaks of 1918. Earlier than that, it was done regularly. Cities used to take quite extreme measures, because plagues were far more deadly earlier in history. For example, below is a picture from Seattle during the 1918 plague.

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On Oct. 5, 1918, Seattle Mayor Ole Hanson made a stunning announcement.

He ordered "every place of indoor public assemblage in Seattle, including schools, theatres, motion picture houses, churches and dance halls closed by noon" that day, a Seattle Daily Times story said.

A memorable photo taken around that time shows a young man wearing what looks like a white surgical mask, standing in front of a downtown Seattle theater.

"All theatres CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE at request of Mayor," read a sign placed on the ticket booth.


cf. Also this National Geographic article on how different cities implemented social distancing in 1918, and how it affected the death tolls then.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
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« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2020, 11:53:11 AM »
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It has a century since we've had a pandemic considered this bad, but quarantining the healthy was a well-documented measure in history. Many cities implemented similar restrictions for the Spanish Flu outbreaks of 1918. Earlier than that, it was done regularly. Cities used to take quite extreme measures, because plagues were far more deadly earlier in history. For example, below is a picture from Seattle during the 1918 plague.

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cf. Also this National Geographic article on how different cities implemented social distancing in 1918, and how it affected the death tolls then.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

Was waiting for this and it didn't take long...

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Anyone who thinks this is a real has been living under a rock or is literally retarded. Has there EVER been a "pandemic" in history where well people are told to stay home? How does that even make any sense? You quarantine sick people.

How does it make any sense? Because idiots who claim to be scientists say so?

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« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2020, 05:21:03 PM »
Is this a "serious" pandemic?  Isnt the average age of the person that it kills a few years older than the average age of death in the country?  It is not comparable to 1918, because that one killed young healthy people, didnt it?  This one does not.  

  At this point it just about does not matter, because the same motherfuckers screaming about killing grandma then urged people to show their support in protesting.   Sorry you can not have it both ways.

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« Reply #54 on: July 02, 2020, 05:30:57 PM »
You quarantine people who can spread sickness and disease. For many diseases you have to show symptoms before you become infectious. Covid-19 has an unusually long incubation period during which you are infectious but show no symptoms. And you can apparently catch the disease and be symptomless and still be infectious.  So for the quarantine to be effective you need to quarantine apparently healthy people. Does this make sense?

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« Reply #55 on: July 02, 2020, 05:51:55 PM »
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You quarantine people who can spread sickness and disease. For many diseases you have to show symptoms before you become infectious. Covid-19 has an unusually long incubation period during which you are infectious but show no symptoms. And you can apparently catch the disease and be symptomless and still be infectious.  So for the quarantine to be effective you need to quarantine apparently healthy people. Does this make sense?


Makes sense...

asymptomatic carriers...

Oh Wait!  You mean just like the flu?  https://www.nhs.uk/news/medical-practice/three-quarters-of-people-with-flu-have-no-symptoms/
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« Reply #56 on: July 02, 2020, 06:14:15 PM »
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You quarantine people who can spread sickness and disease. For many diseases you have to show symptoms before you become infectious. Covid-19 has an unusually long incubation period during which you are infectious but show no symptoms. And you can apparently catch the disease and be symptomless and still be infectious.  So for the quarantine to be effective you need to quarantine apparently healthy people. Does this make sense?

No, it doesn't. If I am "sick", but asymptomatic because I'm mid-40s and extremely healthy, and I spread it to other people who also get it, and maybe get a stuffy nose and have to miss work for a couple days, why should I have to be quarantined so a 90 year old grandma in a nursing home with colon cancer doesn't get sick and die from it, even though she'd have a higher chance of dying if she got the flu which is more deadly and ubiquitous?

So, no, it doesn't make any sense. It's total and utter horseshit. This disease is "just the flu", but not even as bad. Outside of literally a handful of cases, the only people dying are the elderly and sickly, and that is what we call life. Gotta die from something.

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« Reply #57 on: July 02, 2020, 07:09:37 PM »
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Anyone who thinks this is a real has been living under a rock or is literally retarded. Has there EVER been a "pandemic" in history where well people are told to stay home? How does that even make any sense? You quarantine sick people.
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How does it make any sense? Because idiots who claim to be scientists say so?

You asked if there has ever been a pandemic where well people are told to stay home. I gave some information about social distancing efforts in history. Do you not believe me about the history? Or do you believe that these restrictions did happen in history, but you just don't care about the answer?

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« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2020, 08:27:42 PM »
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No, it doesn't. If I am "sick", but asymptomatic because I'm mid-40s and extremely healthy, and I spread it to other people who also get it, and maybe get a stuffy nose and have to miss work for a couple days, why should I have to be quarantined so a 90 year old grandma in a nursing home with colon cancer doesn't get sick and die from it, even though she'd have a higher chance of dying if she got the flu which is more deadly and ubiquitous?

So, no, it doesn't make any sense. It's total and utter horseshit. This disease is "just the flu", but not even as bad. Outside of literally a handful of cases, the only people dying are the elderly and sickly, and that is what we call life. Gotta die from something.

Yet the flu isn't filling hospital beds at anything close to the same rate. Even if you don't care about the people infected, you can see the strain that the rising numbers of hospitalizations are having on hospitals and those that work there.

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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2020, 01:05:52 AM »
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Yet the flu isn't filling hospital beds at anything close to the same rate. Even if you don't care about the people infected, you can see the strain that the rising numbers of hospitalizations are having on hospitals and those that work there.

Are those hospital beds being filled by people who are being hospitalized because of Covid-19?

Or are they people finally getting their elective surgeries that just happen to test positive for the antibodies and are asymptomatic or only have mild symptoms and therefore not at risk?

I would like to see the break down on that if you can provide some links.
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