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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 238089 times)

Shasarak

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4275 on: June 10, 2022, 07:14:15 PM »
I agree it's time to end all lockdowns and mask mandates. Those who will be vaxxed and boosted have been, those who haven't won't.

Covid,  in America, is killing far more Republican voters than democrats. In some areas the ratio is 8-1. While I feel sad for the Democrat i'm very happy to see 8 morons removed from the Gene and voter pools. I'm just hoping covid keeps on shifting the ratios of live voters enough to prevent a disaster in November.

Of course Republicans are dying at higher rates because Andrew Cuomo already killed all the Democrats.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4277 on: June 23, 2022, 04:18:37 PM »
Here is one of the several data sources about the political disparity in covid deaths.

https://rollcall.com/2022/03/30/republicans-pandemic-deaths-pollsters/

Correlation does not imply causation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
https://towardsdatascience.com/4-reasons-why-correlation-does-not-imply-causation-f202f69fe979

Always important to consider. Would be odd if being a Republican made you inherently more susceptible just via political opinion. But even still, the numbers seem to say something is going on at least in correlation with respect to deaths, hospitalizations, and even contraction between vaccinated and the unvaccinated. Though those numbers have less disparity for basic vaccination as opposed to booster post-omicron and the virus seemingly adapting to the vaccine or whatever. I'd be willing to believe that the vaccinated are more likely to wear masks and demand masks everywhere, squirrel themselves up like hermits, and avoid the unvaccinated or ill like plague rats, which could be explaining some of this. But at one point nationally there were 10x as many deaths from like omicron among the unvaccinated than the fully vaccinated and boosted. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/ . So I think it's not unreasonable to conclude there is something going on here, and there is some sort of causal factor somewhere creating the correlative disparity. Also, I think Pfizer and some other companies, as well as convincing the FDA under Trump that their stuff seemed legit enough to allow, did trials that showed the vaccines legit worked within a controlled environment.

 Now, to get some things out of the way, I do question the perfect efficacy of practically every long term effects trial done on stuff like mice instead of humans and think that we can't say with 100% certainty what these vaccines are gonna do to people long term. Moreover, I think people should have the right to choose their own medical prevention and treatment plans, including nothing, especially if a vaccine allegedly decreases risk by as much as the companies say they do. Because then you can't complain about the unvaccinated getting you sick, since you're allegedly protected by your choice, and their choice hurts nobody who didn't want to take that risk over the potential risk of the vaccine. Hell, masking shouldn't be required probably, because if you look at the decrease in death from respiratory illnesses it was like 40-50% when they forced people to mask, and that was a sizable chunk of the deaths caused by Covid at its height. If there wasn't sufficient reason to enforce masking to stop such illnesses, why is COVID innately special enough to  warrant it without death figures that much higher? It was a political decision, science doesn't magically tell you normative things like what should and should not be done. I don't hate people who got scared and chose to vaccinate, I admittedly did that too, but it would be and is outright wrong to prevent people from accessing their jobs, goods and services, government service and the like due to a decision they made weighing their health and the health of their families in good faith, which is what the unvaccinated did and do. It's political discrimination, and there being potentially a causal and at least a correlative relationship DOES NOT CHANGE THAT. Science did not tell these politicians and people to discriminate, they chose to do that on their own.
« Last Edit: June 23, 2022, 04:23:03 PM by KindaMeh »

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4278 on: July 06, 2022, 06:35:35 AM »
Amazing to see so many of you still pretending covid is even worthy of consideration after all the manipulated bullshit that has passed us by.

No wonder the WEF set have you so easily controlled...
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4279 on: July 07, 2022, 03:14:18 AM »
If Republicans are more likely to be obese, elderly, and reject vaccination than Democrats, that'd shift the death rates considerably.

It does seem troubling to me that Americans talk happily about bulldozing their fellow citizens into mass graves, and that when called on it, their only response is the four year old's "but he started it!"
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4280 on: July 08, 2022, 06:58:16 AM »




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