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Author Topic: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.  (Read 342064 times)

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4215 on: May 05, 2022, 02:17:21 AM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

True.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4216 on: May 05, 2022, 08:48:06 AM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

  Sure.    Though I can make a shitload of practical arguments for clothing and you can make almost zero for a cloth mask other than conforming.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4217 on: May 05, 2022, 10:48:37 AM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep and more than eager to get on their knees. Many of these mask-people are desperate to serve the "Master" and love state tyranny. They joyfully aid and support the state tyranny. The fact that enormous transgressions against people's rights to speak, gather together, associate, participate in commerce, and more, have been made by the state throughout the Covid  epidemic is just fine with these people. They don't care about YOUR FREEDOM. They don't even value freedom for themselves. Conform to the state, worm! You must submit and follow the herd! No questioning the state's narrative is allowed!

Notice how the state media labels anyone that questions the state media as engaging in "Misinformation"?

Fuck the mask-wearing sheep. They are disgusting and pathetic. This country has become so fucking weak and full of whining, shrill, hysterical, and compliant pussies it's sad.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4218 on: May 05, 2022, 01:08:32 PM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

True.



No, smartass. Not like a specific clothing. I mean like ANY clothing. There are many times (like a warm clear day at the beach) where clothing is purely because it's expected by those around us. Not because it's actually utilitarian.

This is a concept you're plenty familiar with even if you want to spin it as something nefarious. We all do all sorts of things in life because of social conditioning, and a person's desire to behave that way is guided by the group around them.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2022, 01:10:39 PM by Mistwell »

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4219 on: May 05, 2022, 01:12:25 PM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

  Sure.    Though I can make a shitload of practical arguments for clothing and you can make almost zero for a cloth mask other than conforming.

During the cloth mask phase of the pandemic, when N95s just couldn't be easily had and yet it was the social norm to wear one, I at least made an aesthetic choice with my masks. I wore GI Joe themed ones, and superhero ones, and St. Patrick's Day themed ones for that holiday, etc..

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4220 on: May 05, 2022, 01:14:21 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4221 on: May 05, 2022, 03:58:56 PM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

True.



No, smartass. Not like a specific clothing. I mean like ANY clothing. There are many times (like a warm clear day at the beach) where clothing is purely because it's expected by those around us. Not because it's actually utilitarian.

This is a concept you're plenty familiar with even if you want to spin it as something nefarious. We all do all sorts of things in life because of social conditioning, and a person's desire to behave that way is guided by the group around them.

It isn't hard to spin it into something nefarious because it is Masks became a symbol of fear and submission to the state and to superstitious groupthink.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4222 on: May 05, 2022, 04:13:46 PM »
  It almost seems as if wearing the mask is borderline social conditioning, and a person's desire to wear one is guided by the group around them.

Like clothing.

True.



No, smartass. Not like a specific clothing. I mean like ANY clothing. There are many times (like a warm clear day at the beach) where clothing is purely because it's expected by those around us. Not because it's actually utilitarian.

This is a concept you're plenty familiar with even if you want to spin it as something nefarious. We all do all sorts of things in life because of social conditioning, and a person's desire to behave that way is guided by the group around them.

It isn't hard to spin it into something nefarious because it is Masks became a symbol of fear and submission to the state and to superstitious groupthink.

Only to a subset of people in society who decided to declare going without a mask was a symbol of freedom like an American flag. The decision to call masks "a symbol of fear and submission to the state and to superstitious groupthink" was as arbitrary as the decision to declare them standard for situations where they were not helpful, like outside. It was lazy, and overly broad, and exaggerated.

You routinely every day engage in acts of submission to State law based on tenuous standards purely because it's the law and expected of you. You just don't think about it that way anymore while doing it. You drive speed limits (or closer to them) which are sometimes arbitrary. You stop at stop lights and stop signs even when nobody else is there. You drive in the lane of the road rather than down the middle of the road even when there are no other cars. You wear clothing outside your house even when the weather is such you wouldn't need to. You go to the bathroom in designated places in the proscribed manner even if it would be perfectly sanitary to do it in public somewhere else or in a different way link in a sink or other drain. You don't eat dog meat and cat meat and human meat even though your body could digest it just fine. We ALL DO THESE THINGS because that's how societies function. But somehow a stupid inconsequential mask became the symbol of submission to groupthink? Nonsense. You drew an arbitrary line in the sand which you won't draw for dozens of other things in your life which are just as submissive to the rules of society, because it was a target of convenience and a tool you could use to insult the libtards. Not because it actually has the deep ethical meaning behind it that you claim it does.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4223 on: May 05, 2022, 04:57:08 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Bahah! Bahah! Bahah! ;D

Being sanitary, proper and dignified though is different from submitting to power-hungry Nanny-State tyrants, Mistwell.

I forgot what interview or whatever thingy I saw it from, but one of these school board officials from back east--a good Liberal woman and Biden supporter--somewhere was talking, and said, yes, enforcing mask mandates on the public has much less to do with actual safety and far more to do with psychological and social conditioning. The mask mandates are really about promoting an environment of fear, gaining more power and authority, and conditioning the general public to be more obedient and submissive to the state authority and "officials".

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4224 on: May 05, 2022, 05:33:35 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Bahah! Bahah! Bahah! ;D

Being sanitary, proper and dignified though is different from submitting to power-hungry Nanny-State tyrants, Mistwell.

It's sanitary, proper and dignified to wear a mask around others who are more comfortable if you wear a mask.

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far more to do with psychological and social conditioning.

Like clothing. And where we go to the bathroom. And tons of other stuff. Those things are often purely about social conditioning and psychology. People don't want to see your junk, so we make rules so that they don't see your junk. Usually, it has nothing to do with sanitation. There are other cultures which function just fine without clothing all the time in public, and without designated stalls for urination and such. You're fine however with the psychology and social conditioning of our society for those topics, but not the new topic of masks.

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« Reply #4225 on: May 05, 2022, 06:01:44 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Bahah! Bahah! Bahah! ;D

Being sanitary, proper and dignified though is different from submitting to power-hungry Nanny-State tyrants, Mistwell.

It's sanitary, proper and dignified to wear a mask around others who are more comfortable if you wear a mask.

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far more to do with psychological and social conditioning.

Like clothing. And where we go to the bathroom. And tons of other stuff. Those things are often purely about social conditioning and psychology. People don't want to see your junk, so we make rules so that they don't see your junk. Usually, it has nothing to do with sanitation. There are other cultures which function just fine without clothing all the time in public, and without designated stalls for urination and such. You're fine however with the psychology and social conditioning of our society for those topics, but not the new topic of masks.

Greetings!

*Laughing* However, Mistwell, I'm a right-wing Neanderthal that doesn't give a fuck about others being "comfortable", in particular when it comes to wearing the fucking masks.

It's all really not terribly relevant to me though. Where I live, here in Idaho, most people are strongly against the fucking mask mandates, and mask mandates were never a thing here. Currently, going about town, to restaurants, the gas-station, the Tractor Supply Company, and more, no one wears masks. The only people I have seen consistently wear masks around here are the girls that work in the hospitals or local medical clinics.

I'm glad that I don't live in a fucking Liberal Democrat shithole that loves tyranny.

People here think differently than people in Liberal states. People here are much more skeptical of the government, and deeply resent the government telling them anything, let alone "enforcing" shit. The majority of people here respect individual choices--but people can get violently angry and oppositional when you start trying to force others to comply to your political or ideological views. And no one gives a fuck about what "medical authorities" have to say about it either. Lots of people here believe in their guns and their Bibles. Start fucking with people's freedoms to speak, gather together, go to church, and so on, yeah, that kind of bullshit just doesn't fly here. Nanny bitches throwing coffee at people minding their own business at a Starbucks while not wearing a fucking mask would get fucking curb-stomped here fast.

It is so nice being around people that are polite, courteous, and respectful. ;D

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4226 on: May 05, 2022, 06:06:39 PM »
Just wear your damn masks biggots

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4227 on: May 05, 2022, 06:18:50 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Bahah! Bahah! Bahah! ;D

Being sanitary, proper and dignified though is different from submitting to power-hungry Nanny-State tyrants, Mistwell.

It's sanitary, proper and dignified to wear a mask around others who are more comfortable if you wear a mask.

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far more to do with psychological and social conditioning.

Like clothing. And where we go to the bathroom. And tons of other stuff. Those things are often purely about social conditioning and psychology. People don't want to see your junk, so we make rules so that they don't see your junk. Usually, it has nothing to do with sanitation. There are other cultures which function just fine without clothing all the time in public, and without designated stalls for urination and such. You're fine however with the psychology and social conditioning of our society for those topics, but not the new topic of masks.

Greetings!

*Laughing* However, Mistwell, I'm a right-wing Neanderthal that doesn't give a fuck about others being "comfortable", in particular when it comes to wearing the fucking masks.

I don't think you are a Neanderthal that doesn't give a fuck about others being "comfortable" because you do all those other things I mentioned as a matter of routine, and they're all about other people's comfort rather than your own. It's just masks that seems to get this reaction from you. I assume because it's new, and you were not around when our society decided those other things so you grew up just thinking they were normal.

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It's all really not terribly relevant to me though. Where I live, here in Idaho, most people are strongly against the fucking mask mandates, and mask mandates were never a thing here. Currently, going about town, to restaurants, the gas-station, the Tractor Supply Company, and more, no one wears masks. The only people I have seen consistently wear masks around here are the girls that work in the hospitals or local medical clinics.

I'm glad that I don't live in a fucking Liberal Democrat shithole that loves tyranny.

I've spent time in Casper, Wyoming twice during the pandemic (a town I quite like by the way), and it was the same there. I mean there were a few masks here and there but for the most part nothing. And I can definitely see that living in an area like that I'd probably not wear a mask as well. Because not wearing a mask is conforming to the norms of a place like that. Wearing a mask makes others feel uncomfortable, like you're judging them for not wearing one or something. Sort of the same reaction vegetarians get in those parts sometimes.

But don't you see, you're being as much a sheep to the people around you as people here are being. Each of us is simply conforming to the norm of our towns. Just like I didn't wear a mask in Northern Ireland or Wyoming, but do wear a mask here. Because when in Rome, act as the Romans act, and dress as the Romans dress, and eat what the Romans eat.
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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4228 on: May 05, 2022, 06:27:09 PM »
Greetings!

Well, all the mask-wearing folks out there and about you, just shows you how many of our citizens are fucking sheep

Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Did you pee in the toilet rather than the sink at the last public restroom you went to, even though the sink would serve the same drainage purpose as the toilet?

Fucking sheep is what you are. Bleet for us, Shark!  Bleet!

Greetings!

*Laughing* Bahah! Bahah! Bahah! ;D

Being sanitary, proper and dignified though is different from submitting to power-hungry Nanny-State tyrants, Mistwell.

It's sanitary, proper and dignified to wear a mask around others who are more comfortable if you wear a mask.

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far more to do with psychological and social conditioning.

Like clothing. And where we go to the bathroom. And tons of other stuff. Those things are often purely about social conditioning and psychology. People don't want to see your junk, so we make rules so that they don't see your junk. Usually, it has nothing to do with sanitation. There are other cultures which function just fine without clothing all the time in public, and without designated stalls for urination and such. You're fine however with the psychology and social conditioning of our society for those topics, but not the new topic of masks.
It may be polite, in certain social circumstances. Just as it was polite for certain people to sit at the back of the bus, or for certain other people to have their feet so tightly bound they became deformed. Or to use a more modern example, not to complain when a stranger feels you up at the airport. Like the TSA, masks provide no real benefit, and have real negative consequences. They have negative effects on human socialization, in the development of social skills among children, and they also harm sanitation a bit because outside a clinical environment the number of people who wear or dispose of them correctly is essentially nil. The best time to stop newly developed social conventions that are harmful is when they're first put in place.

Plus, you're wrong about the utilitarian consequences of clothes. Clothes don't just protect against inclement weather, they protect sensitive areas from scratches and other minor abrasions. Which humans are very subject to, because we have relatively thin skin and lack a protective covering like fur, scales, or feathers. They also serve a utilitarian purpose by hiding sexual signals when they would harm other goals. The cultural conventions aren't purely social constructs with no grounding in practicality.

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Re: Covid, the "lockdowns" etc.
« Reply #4229 on: May 05, 2022, 06:49:08 PM »
Did you wear clothing last time you went out, even if the weather was such you didn't need to?

Yes, but only because I do not want any innocent bystanders to make Sanity checks when they see my naked flesh.
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